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  1. ISO #601

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    make this slot talk or lynch him ._.

    -vote macdougall


    i get the feeling scum!mac is massively trolling us by not checking the thread and pm'ing AIVI who to kill. he could be in discord with wisp and wisp might've told him to kill me. he could also be watching this thread as a guest. if so, that'd be a 900 iq play lmao.

    if he's a citizen, then i don't think more ppl should claim.
    Macdougall wasnt even here from d1 to early d2, that makes him confirmed town since a kill has been made dont you think?

  2. ISO #602

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    -vote unvote
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  3. ISO #603

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    also, auwt is the lowest poster. besides that, everyone else has posted about the same amount:


    Posts 132 theoneceko
    Posts 94 deathworlds
    Posts 91 Varcron
    Posts 78 Ganelon
    Posts 35 Auwt
    Im sorry for that Im trying not to flood and at the same time, participate whereever I can

  4. ISO #604

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    I'm inclined to vote macdougall because this role list
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Gunsmith

    Investigator
    Poisoner


    makes more sense than this role list

    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Gunsmith
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Coward

    Of course it could be the following in the event that Ganelon is scum.
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Blacksmith
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  5. ISO #605

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Okay, so keeping track of the claims so far.

    Varcron: Citizen claimed d1
    Ceko: Coward, claimed d2, hid behind gyrlander n1
    Auwt: unclaimed
    Myself: unclaimed, received gun n1
    Ganelon: Gunsmith, claimed to give me a gun
    Macdougall: Chemist, claimed to target Ganelon
    Gyrlander: Citizen, flipped n1
    Wiisp: flipped scum investigator d1

    Patriots:
    Hidden Patriot
    Hidden Patriot
    Hidden Patriot
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen


    Loyalists:
    Hidden Loyalist
    Hidden Loyalist


    Keep in mind that the role list says Hidden Patriot, not Town Power Role, or Patriot Power Role.
    That being said, I am claiming Tracker, I targeted Auwt last night because I was the most unsure about his alignment more than anyone else, turns out, they didn't visit anyone, so I've been assuming they are a Citizen, I softed my role earlier and softed my feedback as well earlier.

    Here's my shite LW
    Spoiler : Last Will :

    I re-read the thread last night and posted some of my thoughts about some posts that stood out to me. Also, I died, rip. Oh, and in-case I get janitor'd or tailor'd I am in-fact a Tracker, which is party why I didn't take my vote off of wiisp after they claimed.
    #110
    Lmao, guess we ain't gotta worry about that.

    #218
    Well clearly you haven't changed that, and you didn't seem to listen to my posts trying to get you to stop tunneling and read other peoples posts.

    #225
    I like this post, it's a surprisingly amount of self-awareness that I really enjoy, also it mimics what I've been trying to hammer into the heads of players since I came back, so I'm glad to see it here

    #289
    I really don't like this post from ganelon, it's the beginning of a shitty tunnel that I honestly can't even tell where it comes from, also this tunnel is formed AFTER wiisp claims, could be some form of distraction?

    #298
    Honestly I don't even know if I should consider anything ganelon says seriously past this point, I'm not very comfortable with this level of paranoia and speculation, I can understand how it can come from a town!pov, but also how this defense and distraction could be detrived from a scum!pov
    Ganelon stops making any amount of sense for the rest of the day with this post.

    #359
    My breadcrumb, "Trackable Trail" while discussing breadcrumbs, Flip = Tracker, eh? eh?
    This is my first attempt at a crumb don't be mad

    #408
    I cannot believe I missed this post, Varcron claimed????? I didn't even realize lmao.

    #442
    Something about auwt has just rubbed me the wrong way the entire game.

    Sorry it's a shitty reread, but these posts came out to me as interesting, and sometimes I'm good at figuring out why these posts pop to me, and sometimes I'm not, thought I'd try to bring some attention to them regardless.

    Right now I'm trying to decide between checking Ganelon and Auwt.
    Ganelon is a hard town/scum depending on how he starts off day 2, Auwt is more of a mystery to me.
    I like Varcron, and Ceko; Gyrlander I just fail to read because he townhunts instead of scumhunts.
    Obviously we also have a dead slot which I can't read because, you know, they haven't posted.
    I'm tracking Auwt tonight. Someone else is going to try to solve Ganelon, either by killing him, trying to invest him, or just reading him, he has a lot of information that he presented that can be analyzed and sifted through. Auwt is more low-profile, and tracking them could reveal more information.
    Well you know what, actually, to simplify the Citizen reasoning, indeed I claim Citizen.
    I guess nobody is gonna counter claim now because everyone claimed.
    The citizen count is so as follow : 3 (Varcron - Auwt - Gyrlander[rip])

    Im still most concerned because all of you could be the last Hidden Loyalist

  6. ISO #606

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Of course if I were to be the last scum the role list would look like this:
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citizen

    Gunsmith
    Coward
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Tracker

    Which uhh, doesn't make sense
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  7. ISO #607

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I'm inclined to vote macdougall because this role list
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Gunsmith

    Investigator
    Poisoner


    makes more sense than this role list

    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Gunsmith
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Coward

    Of course it could be the following in the event that Ganelon is scum.
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Blacksmith
    I believe Ceko was so proud of avoid a scum shot that I dont believe Coward is on scum side.
    Macdougall wasnt present for now but apparently gave an night action to poison Ganelon ==> Might still be a fake? Idk
    Ganelon is as likely to be scum.
    I dont really know what to think about you DW honestly... but apparently others are towncoring you, so I trust in them

    What could we do :

    We lynch macdougall, then we wait for Ganelon to see if he's still alive or not?
    Might be risky in case macdougall faked us with his poisoner target.

  8. ISO #608

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    So, @Ganelon

    If you're scum, you're already dead and lost, gg wp.

    Giving you the benefit of the doubt, between macdougall and ceko, who do you think it is?
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  9. ISO #609

  10. ISO #610

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    We lynch macdougall, then we wait for Ganelon to see if he's still alive or not?
    Might be risky in case macdougall faked us with his poisoner target.
    There's no universe in which town fakeclaims poisoned, so that's a mute point.
    Two players have information that suggest that ganelon is poisoned, only one can be scum. The poison is real, 100% whether that comes from a town motivation or a scum motivation is beyond me atm
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  11. ISO #611

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I would love to hear why tho XD
    Giving scum two investigative roles is odd, but not nearly as odd as giving town ZERO investigatives, and two killing roles that can end up shooting town in the foot.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  12. ISO #612

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Giving scum two investigative roles is odd, but not nearly as odd as giving town ZERO investigatives, and two killing roles that can end up shooting town in the foot.
    especially in a setup where we are only allowed 1 mislynch
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  13. ISO #613

    Re : S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    I believe in any case :

    Lets imagine all posibilities :

    Ceko is the scum : He has 1 kill, and Ganelon is poisoned + possible DW using his gun

    DW is the scum : He has 2 kills and Ganelon is poisoned

    Ganelon is the scum : He has 1 kill and will die by poison + possible DW using his gun

    Macdougall is the scum : He has 1 kill and Ganelon is poisoned + possible DW using his gun


    In any case, we are likely to be at least 2 town alive after night sequence.

  14. ISO #614

    Re : S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I believe in any case :

    Lets imagine all posibilities :

    Ceko is the scum : He has 1 kill, and Ganelon is poisoned + possible DW using his gun

    DW is the scum : He has 2 kills and Ganelon is poisoned

    Ganelon is the scum : He has 1 kill and will die by poison + possible DW using his gun

    Macdougall is the scum : He has 1 kill and Ganelon is poisoned + possible DW using his gun


    In any case, we are likely to be at least 2 town alive after night sequence.
    Btw this is considering we do not lynch today, which i guess wont happen.

  15. ISO #615

    Re: Re : S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Btw this is considering we do not lynch today, which i guess wont happen.
    right you are on that one bucko.

    I'm sticking my vote on either ceko or macdougall today, and I won't deviate from that for any reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  16. ISO #616

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Anyway, I stand by my position. Varcron should be our lynch today, followed by Ceko and Auwt. I seriously doubt poisoner would claim as scum.
    I love how you really put 2 Citizens in your lynch list.
    Nobody else claimed being Citizen apart from Varcron and myself. And guess what 2 Citizens are 100% alive.
    If you are Town they I definitly dont understand this post. I guess my worries on your alignment were proven right here.

    -vote Ganelon

  17. ISO #617

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I love how you really put 2 Citizens in your lynch list.
    Nobody else claimed being Citizen apart from Varcron and myself. And guess what 2 Citizens are 100% alive.
    If you are Town they I definitly dont understand this post. I guess my worries on your alignment were proven right here.

    -vote Ganelon
    Ganelon is dead anyways, there's no point in voting him.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  18. ISO #618

  19. ISO #619

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Gunsmith
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Coward

    Of course it could be the following in the event that Ganelon is scum.
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Blacksmith
    I really believe its either of those comp that is the right one.
    But Ganelon's push on Varcron and his lynch list makes me think the 2nd list fit better on how the game is going
    Ganelon is acting like a mod Jester rn to be fair, from my pov

    Macdougall have poisoned Ganelon, this is town friendly for me.
    Atm I wouldnt consider the Loyalist Poisoner to be a thing

    - How do I see the gunsmith play ? Ganelon might be trying to pocket DW.

    - What about Ceko then ? I tend to say he is town, but he couldve just mind game us by saying he redirected scums shot on Gyrlander to make a valid claim of Patriot Beguiler(Coward). So mitigated.

    The one thing I still do not understand is : Why would Ganelon randomly give a gun to DW ?
    DW didnt claim any role at the time Ganelon gave him.
    The safest play would have been to give it to Varcron honesly, but ofc Ganelon is facing Varcron for absolutely no reason.

    I still want Ganelon to answer my last question (and also say why would you lynch 2 confirmed citizens).

  20. ISO #620
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    How am I acting like a Jester?

  21. ISO #621
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I really believe its either of those comp that is the right one.
    But Ganelon's push on Varcron and his lynch list makes me think the 2nd list fit better on how the game is going
    Ganelon is acting like a mod Jester rn to be fair, from my pov

    Macdougall have poisoned Ganelon, this is town friendly for me.
    Atm I wouldnt consider the Loyalist Poisoner to be a thing

    - How do I see the gunsmith play ? Ganelon might be trying to pocket DW.

    - What about Ceko then ? I tend to say he is town, but he couldve just mind game us by saying he redirected scums shot on Gyrlander to make a valid claim of Patriot Beguiler(Coward). So mitigated.

    The one thing I still do not understand is : Why would Ganelon randomly give a gun to DW ?
    DW didnt claim any role at the time Ganelon gave him.
    The safest play would have been to give it to Varcron honesly, but ofc Ganelon is facing Varcron for absolutely no reason.

    I still want Ganelon to answer my last question (and also say why would you lynch 2 confirmed citizens).
    I didn’t realize the citizens were confirmed due to rolecounting, that’s a great point. So scum has to be one of the PRs.

  22. ISO #622
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Anyway I can’t ever believe DW is scum so
    -vote MacDougall

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  25. ISO #625

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Oh and please don't hammer early, we can still probably figure out between ceko and the macdougall by rereading ceko.
    It's still entirely possible that ganelon is the scum, but we have to consider the possibility that he isn't.
    I'll give ceko a reread when I have a chance tomorrow.
    And with that, goodnight
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  26. ISO #626

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    To clarify, mechanics and setup speculation are all well and dandy right here, but we still have our reads to work off of well.
    We're golden if our reads line up with the most likely setup design(s).
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  27. ISO #627

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Oh and btw, after this EoD there will be zero way to confirm ceko's role as coward, scum aligned or not, short of me attempting to shoot ceko, which is a dumb idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Shocked Kirby Face View Post
    Deathworlds is simply better than us at this game. Don't kill them for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  28. ISO #628
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    The most likely setup design is there is no way there’s two town killers.

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  32. ISO #632

    Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    When I wrote this post, I thought that a Ceko, DW, Varcron train was just made probably from 1 or 2 scum(s) and then gathered 1-2 townies with them.
    I believe when a game is on the early stage : Scum can easily try to lure 1 or 2 town votes
    oh ok, makes senseUwU.

  33. ISO #633

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I uh, think this game is solved.


    Ganelon is poisoned, he's already dead, there's no point to voting him anymore.
    If he's scum, we just win at EoD, whoopie.
    If he's TPR, then that means that either Macdougall is lying, or ceko is lying (from my PoV)
    Auwt is confirmed town from my PoV, because he didn't visit anyone last night, and scum obviously visited someone (ceko/gyrlander). There's 4 TPR claims, 1 citizen claim, and Auwt (who I believe is the last citizen).
    Varcron hasn't been CC'd, so I'm going to say that he's in-fact citizen.

    So here's what the role list looks like so far.

    Varcron-Citizen
    Auwt- Citizen
    Myself- Tracker
    Gyrlander-Citizen DEAD
    Wiisp - Investigator DEAD
    Ceko- Coward
    Ganelon- Gunsmith/Blacksmith
    macdougall - Chemist

    from my PoV, the last scum is between Ceko, Ganelon, and Macdougall. Ganelon is a mute point, since he's already dead.
    So it's between Ceko and Macdougall.
    Mechanically, the safest bet is to lynch ceko, and for me to attempt to shoot macdougall.
    Ceko is a begulier, so trying to shoot him is a dumb ass idea. If I attempt to shoot macdougall, and I die, macdougall is the last TPR claim left, and because he's a poisoner, his other victim (varcron or auwt) won't die until the day is over, giving them the opportunity to lynch macdougall. If I live, and macdougall dies, then well, you just lynch me. Two townies left vs a single confirmed scum, regardless of who lives in this scenario.
    Here's what the role list looks like at EoD (assuming ceko is lynched and the game doesn't immediately end with either of their deaths)
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Myself - Tracker
    Macdougall - Chemist.

    If this is the case, then Macdougall has 1 factional kill, and 1 poisoner kill.
    I have a gun, so Macdougall is obliged to use the factional kill on me. Gun doesn't go through (thanks again ganelon for telling everyone I have a gun bro, real pro town of you, assuming you are town :P), and 1 kill happens at night, me.

    Day Start
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Macdougall - Poisoner.
    Auwt and Varcron team up and lynch Macdougall, Macdougall gets lynched, varcron or auwt die from food poisoning, leaving 1 townie as the sole survivor. gg ez.

    We could just lynch Macdougall instead, but that's riskier.
    Ceko is effectively immune to the gun. If I were to shoot him, he would just redirect it onto someone else, he'd factional kill me or the other player left, and we'd lose.
    If I were NOT to shoot, then ceko kills someone else forcing a 1v1 between me and ceko at LYLO, which isn't fun.
    so u think i lied about hiding on n1? and that i just shot gyrlander? that could mean that a) im a coward who hasn't used his ability and just said i did for shits and giggles b) im a different PR role

  34. ISO #634

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    so u think i lied about hiding on n1? and that i just shot gyrlander? that could mean that a) im a coward who hasn't used his ability and just said i did for shits and giggles b) im a different PR role
    DW has sounded pretty townie so far, but i can't completely trust him yet. especially if he wants me dead today. u realize gyr was one of my highest scumreads. i already said in my lw that i hid behind him because he "barely interacted with wisp." yes, i submitted my night action BEFORE reading the weird PR trap wisp set for gyr. but, i thoroughly explained my night action and even wrote a lengthy lw, which scum typically wouldn't do since they most likely won't die on night 1.

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  37. ISO #637

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I'm inclined to vote macdougall because this role list
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Gunsmith

    Investigator
    Poisoner


    makes more sense than this role list

    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Gunsmith
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Coward

    Of course it could be the following in the event that Ganelon is scum.
    Citizen
    Citizen
    Citzen
    Tracker
    Coward
    Poisoner

    Investigator
    Blacksmith
    i like this. it doesn't make sense for town to have two killing roles. however, it makes sense for each faction to have one killing role.

  38. ISO #638

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I believe Ceko was so proud of avoid a scum shot that I dont believe Coward is on scum side.
    Macdougall wasnt present for now but apparently gave an night action to poison Ganelon ==> Might still be a fake? Idk
    Ganelon is as likely to be scum.
    I dont really know what to think about you DW honestly... but apparently others are towncoring you, so I trust in them

    What could we do :

    We lynch macdougall, then we wait for Ganelon to see if he's still alive or not?
    Might be risky in case macdougall faked us with his poisoner target.
    i wasn't proud, i was laughing at myself for being dumb enough to kill a cit.

  39. ISO #639

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I uh, think this game is solved.


    Ganelon is poisoned, he's already dead, there's no point to voting him anymore.
    If he's scum, we just win at EoD, whoopie.
    If he's TPR, then that means that either Macdougall is lying, or ceko is lying (from my PoV)
    Auwt is confirmed town from my PoV, because he didn't visit anyone last night, and scum obviously visited someone (ceko/gyrlander). There's 4 TPR claims, 1 citizen claim, and Auwt (who I believe is the last citizen).
    Varcron hasn't been CC'd, so I'm going to say that he's in-fact citizen.

    So here's what the role list looks like so far.

    Varcron-Citizen
    Auwt- Citizen
    Myself- Tracker
    Gyrlander-Citizen DEAD
    Wiisp - Investigator DEAD
    Ceko- Coward
    Ganelon- Gunsmith/Blacksmith
    macdougall - Chemist

    from my PoV, the last scum is between Ceko, Ganelon, and Macdougall. Ganelon is a mute point, since he's already dead.
    So it's between Ceko and Macdougall.
    Mechanically, the safest bet is to lynch ceko, and for me to attempt to shoot macdougall.
    Ceko is a begulier, so trying to shoot him is a dumb ass idea. If I attempt to shoot macdougall, and I die, macdougall is the last TPR claim left, and because he's a poisoner, his other victim (varcron or auwt) won't die until the day is over, giving them the opportunity to lynch macdougall. If I live, and macdougall dies, then well, you just lynch me. Two townies left vs a single confirmed scum, regardless of who lives in this scenario.
    Here's what the role list looks like at EoD (assuming ceko is lynched and the game doesn't immediately end with either of their deaths)
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Myself - Tracker
    Macdougall - Chemist.

    If this is the case, then Macdougall has 1 factional kill, and 1 poisoner kill.
    I have a gun, so Macdougall is obliged to use the factional kill on me. Gun doesn't go through (thanks again ganelon for telling everyone I have a gun bro, real pro town of you, assuming you are town :P), and 1 kill happens at night, me.

    Day Start
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Macdougall - Poisoner.
    Auwt and Varcron team up and lynch Macdougall, Macdougall gets lynched, varcron or auwt die from food poisoning, leaving 1 townie as the sole survivor. gg ez.

    We could just lynch Macdougall instead, but that's riskier.
    Ceko is effectively immune to the gun. If I were to shoot him, he would just redirect it onto someone else, he'd factional kill me or the other player left, and we'd lose.
    If I were NOT to shoot, then ceko kills someone else forcing a 1v1 between me and ceko at LYLO, which isn't fun.
    The fact that you are having a gun is also annyoing me a bit :

    Lets imagine we lynch Ceko and Ganelon die from poison.
    Who do remain?

    DW (with a gun)
    Varcron (citizen)
    Auwt (citizen)
    macdougall (poisoner)

    And now what if DW is the scum?

    He can kill 2 guys meaning, he could be in a 1v1 situation, which in any case could ultimately make DW win as scum

  40. ISO #640

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I believe Ceko was so proud of avoid a scum shot that I dont believe Coward is on scum side.
    Macdougall wasnt present for now but apparently gave an night action to poison Ganelon ==> Might still be a fake? Idk
    Ganelon is as likely to be scum.
    I dont really know what to think about you DW honestly... but apparently others are towncoring you, so I trust in them

    What could we do :

    We lynch macdougall, then we wait for Ganelon to see if he's still alive or not?
    Might be risky in case macdougall faked us with his poisoner target.
    mac rly threw a wrench into this game with the poisoner claim. gane hasn't even claimed to be poisoned until now, which is VERY suspicious since he should've read his feedback as soon as day 2 started.

  41. ISO #641

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I really believe its either of those comp that is the right one.
    But Ganelon's push on Varcron and his lynch list makes me think the 2nd list fit better on how the game is going
    Ganelon is acting like a mod Jester rn to be fair, from my pov

    Macdougall have poisoned Ganelon, this is town friendly for me.
    Atm I wouldnt consider the Loyalist Poisoner to be a thing

    - How do I see the gunsmith play ? Ganelon might be trying to pocket DW.

    - What about Ceko then ? I tend to say he is town, but he couldve just mind game us by saying he redirected scums shot on Gyrlander to make a valid claim of Patriot Beguiler(Coward). So mitigated.

    The one thing I still do not understand is : Why would Ganelon randomly give a gun to DW ?
    DW didnt claim any role at the time Ganelon gave him.
    The safest play would have been to give it to Varcron honesly, but ofc Ganelon is facing Varcron for absolutely no reason.

    I still want Ganelon to answer my last question (and also say why would you lynch 2 confirmed citizens).
    just so gane will look more towny. ofc, that was mitigated by the fact guns are LAST in the OoO.

  42. ISO #642

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Oh and please don't hammer early, we can still probably figure out between ceko and the macdougall by rereading ceko.
    It's still entirely possible that ganelon is the scum, but we have to consider the possibility that he isn't.
    I'll give ceko a reread when I have a chance tomorrow.
    And with that, goodnight
    i think gane is still town paranoia to the extreme lol. i'd rather lynch mac today. but sure, take ur time. i doubt you'll be able to convince anyone i'm scummier than mac tho. gl with that ^^

  43. ISO #643

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Here's what the role list looks like at EoD (assuming ceko is lynched and the game doesn't immediately end with either of their deaths)
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Myself - Tracker
    Macdougall - Chemist.

    If this is the case, then Macdougall has 1 factional kill, and 1 poisoner kill.
    I have a gun, so Macdougall is obliged to use the factional kill on me. Gun doesn't go through (thanks again ganelon for telling everyone I have a gun bro, real pro town of you, assuming you are town :P), and 1 kill happens at night, me.

    Day Start
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Macdougall - Poisoner.
    Auwt and Varcron team up and lynch Macdougall, Macdougall gets lynched, varcron or auwt die from food poisoning, leaving 1 townie as the sole survivor. gg ez.
    I find it strange you called Macdougall firstly Chemist and then Poisoner, are you forcing yourself to believe he is poisoner and not Chemist or?

  44. ISO #644

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    lynching mac will confirm if gane was actually poisoned. actually, EOD would resolve that issue for us.

    i just think mac is an unknown quantity we need to get rid of. there's no reason for town!mac to poison someone if he knew one scum was already dead. if mac lied about poisoner and is actually some other PR role (which i suspect; electromaniac would be a wewlad since i can imagine me hiding behind DW and DW shooting me, which would cause us to kill each other), then gane won't die at EOD. ill hide behind gane and DW will shoot gane. then lynch gane on day 3.

    DW is strongest townread among the PRs, although i've no idea what his scum meta is like lol. maybe he's great at faking town. however, that's a tinfoil hat theory i won't delve into.

  45. ISO #645

  46. ISO #646

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i legit don't get why gane pushed varc and auwt after they were confirmed citizens. yea, he admitted his fault when auwt pressed him, but even town shouldn't tunnel that hard. it's like gane was faking his tunnel on varc.
    i also don't get why he shared his poisoned feedback so late???

  47. ISO #647

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I uh, think this game is solved.


    Ganelon is poisoned, he's already dead, there's no point to voting him anymore.
    If he's scum, we just win at EoD, whoopie.
    If he's TPR, then that means that either Macdougall is lying, or ceko is lying (from my PoV)
    Auwt is confirmed town from my PoV, because he didn't visit anyone last night, and scum obviously visited someone (ceko/gyrlander). There's 4 TPR claims, 1 citizen claim, and Auwt (who I believe is the last citizen).
    Varcron hasn't been CC'd, so I'm going to say that he's in-fact citizen.

    So here's what the role list looks like so far.

    Varcron-Citizen
    Auwt- Citizen
    Myself- Tracker
    Gyrlander-Citizen DEAD
    Wiisp - Investigator DEAD
    Ceko- Coward
    Ganelon- Gunsmith/Blacksmith
    macdougall - Chemist

    from my PoV, the last scum is between Ceko, Ganelon, and Macdougall. Ganelon is a mute point, since he's already dead.
    So it's between Ceko and Macdougall.
    Mechanically, the safest bet is to lynch ceko, and for me to attempt to shoot macdougall.
    Ceko is a begulier, so trying to shoot him is a dumb ass idea. If I attempt to shoot macdougall, and I die, macdougall is the last TPR claim left, and because he's a poisoner, his other victim (varcron or auwt) won't die until the day is over, giving them the opportunity to lynch macdougall. If I live, and macdougall dies, then well, you just lynch me. Two townies left vs a single confirmed scum, regardless of who lives in this scenario.
    Here's what the role list looks like at EoD (assuming ceko is lynched and the game doesn't immediately end with either of their deaths)
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Myself - Tracker
    Macdougall - Chemist.

    If this is the case, then Macdougall has 1 factional kill, and 1 poisoner kill.
    I have a gun, so Macdougall is obliged to use the factional kill on me. Gun doesn't go through (thanks again ganelon for telling everyone I have a gun bro, real pro town of you, assuming you are town :P), and 1 kill happens at night, me.

    Day Start
    Varcron - Cit
    Auwt - Cit
    Macdougall - Poisoner.
    Auwt and Varcron team up and lynch Macdougall, Macdougall gets lynched, varcron or auwt die from food poisoning, leaving 1 townie as the sole survivor. gg ez.

    We could just lynch Macdougall instead, but that's riskier.
    Ceko is effectively immune to the gun. If I were to shoot him, he would just redirect it onto someone else, he'd factional kill me or the other player left, and we'd lose.
    If I were NOT to shoot, then ceko kills someone else forcing a 1v1 between me and ceko at LYLO, which isn't fun.
    i also see this as scum!DW trying to lynch me, then let gane die to poison. well, then it would be 3v1. and scum!dw will win a 1v1 tie.

    i rly don't like that gane gave any1 a gun.

  48. ISO #648

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i also see this as scum!DW trying to lynch me, then let gane die to poison. well, then it would be 3v1. and scum!dw will win a 1v1 tie.

    i rly don't like that gane gave any1 a gun.
    almost looks like TMI-confident scum. however, if he's scum he'll die at EOD anyway. if DW is scum (which I doubt), then gane lost us the game lol.

    im considering a gane lynch. if he flips town, we'll know for sure he was poisoned. we'll also have 5 players left at EOD instead of 4, so if DW is scum he won't be able to win a 1v1. mac would have no choice but to shoot DW or a citizen. DW won't be able to shoot me because I'll hide behind mac. if DW doesn't use his gun on mac, then we lynch DW.

  49. ISO #649

    Re : Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i also see this as scum!DW trying to lynch me, then let gane die to poison. well, then it would be 3v1. and scum!dw will win a 1v1 tie.

    i rly don't like that gane gave any1 a gun.
    That's also what I thought in #639
    DW didnt mention that he could end up being in a 1v1 situation if DW is really scum.

  50. ISO #650
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Standoff Ongoing

    I’m in favour of an early hammer since this game is pretty much over. Just lynch the PRs

 

 

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