Im Willing To Wear That Necklace Of Hope I Dont Want You To Go To The Tree.. But I Will If It Will Prove The Truth..
Im Willing To Wear That Necklace Of Hope I Dont Want You To Go To The Tree.. But I Will If It Will Prove The Truth..
No ones even considering lynching you today. It's always MM here I think because we have one more mislynch available before mylo and with the two of you it's a 50/50 shot, with you both potentially actressed, if we hit wrong today and right tomorrow then we will get a 50/50 which if it continues into the next day means we were correct even if you flip town
It's a weird scenario actually
Just Think Tonight Im Gonna Target 2 PPL Not In My Top 3 Scum Read And Odds Are They Will be A Same Check.. An Then Banana Will Be A Same Check Who Will You Believe...
Plan For Tomorrow Not Today..
I Bet Nobody Dies Tomorrow Other Then A Lynch.. Thats My Guess.. Its Either That Or Kill Me.. Am I Right?
@Scum Im Calling Ya Out Got Nothing Ta Say I See..
Kira's posts from day 1 match up with the leads he gave today.
Day 1:
Day 2:
Justice should leave behind a lead on day 1 in case he died that night. Frinckles suggested this in the setup workshop, probably because Nurse can't heal until only one Mafia remains. However, Banana never left behind a lead. @BananaCucho , how do you explain this? Everyone was townreading you except Light, so I thought you or DS would die last night.
Lastly, why else would Light scumread Banana on day 1 when no one else has?
It A Little Off But Admirable.
Again it's like: who benefits most from Ganelon dying and flipping town?
Also, Banana pushed Revenant HARD during day 1. Light wanted to lynch Ganelon, Death, or Banana:
I see Banana's push on Revenant as getting an easy lynch on a scummy-acting town. In hindsight, Revenant was at worst unhelpful, which Death mentioned yesterday:
Last edited by theoneceko; April 30th, 2020 at 11:04 PM. Reason: changed "thought" to "think"
That inertia on Revenant's train was crazy bad. For EoD alone, being the countertrain, Varcron deserves this.-vote Varcron
And I'm not even including the other weird things about his perspective.
Also, rip Mag =(
Page 24 is thick, whew. Replying to @deathworlds and his reads :
- Why is DS bringing you out of a tunnel on a player who is likely scum (Light) towny? Does that apply only if Light is town, or am I missing something?
- What do you think about Renegade's confidence level? I agree that the list of reads you linked is weak, but it remains within what I would expect from a brand new player coming from the mod. It contrasts greatly in tone compared to your other link, yes, but also to the very convinced and confident tone he adopted back when he was talking about what I think was Heartbreaker stuff.
- I don't think I became less active, but that the site became more active in games. Did you often see D1s with over 1k posts before? Also, accusing me of "tailing the town core", aka sheeping, is dirty and fake. Especially since I'm part of the town core... at least, I was yesterday until Banana made the posts I will address next (and you can already guess I find it strange that I'm suddenly scum!)
- The first post you link from Varcron is just something you disagree with; although I support the read for other reasons (the two other posts being part of that), do you think a simple disagreement on reads is a scumtell? I have a hard time seeing that as valid or right.
Replying to @BananaCucho :
Actress theory is to be considered, but I don't think it should be our main concern atm; let's act as if we still had three scums to lynch.
About the case on me... well, it sucks. I'll take the first posts as examples.
- Pushing early at someone you find scummy is what townies should do. If you're accusing me of not running in circles without accusing anyone, well damn, I'm guilty lol.
- Comparing me to Revenant in terms of content/size is just not valid, and I don't think I need to explain why. The post you linked isn't even bad.
- My reads changing over the course of a very active D1 is not scum indicative. I could even argue that on the contrary, it shows town reevaluation.
About DS, his style could very well be the one of an experienced scum or of an experienced townie; thinking in terms of wagonomics doesn't make someone automatically town.
I'm on the fence between "Banana is a misguided townie" and "Banana is a powerwolf", atm. The case went out of nowhere, he literally finds something to say against me in nearly every post I made while I was part of the Banana Alliance yesterday? Screw that. Off the towncore you go, although I still feel like your D1 was good enough for me to keep you in town leans. Waiting on a reply.
I'll be back later.
Banana stop lurking and start typing!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Shouldn't take very long to answer my questions.
I don't think there's anything to be gained by replying to mechanically confirmed scum, but I'll humor it for now because it's just been that long since we talked, plus there's never anything wrong with trying to explain my own thought processes behind my reads to everybody else.
It's towny because he did it in a way that made me reveal, explain, and think about the rest of my reads to the rest of the town. Yagami was still one of my top scum reads at the time, but I wasn't giving that much thought to anyone else because I was so focused on him, hence the null reads on you and renegade that day.
I'm not exactly sure of renegade's confidence levels, he doesn't seem to be sure of anything other than his own alignment, which is fine. But I'm unsure how his confidence about any of his other reads would be indicitive of anything, unless he was straight up careless or overconfident to the point of certainty.
I don't find it strange that you're "suddenly scum" I never at any point had a town read on you, and was pretty openly against having you in the towncore. And from a town!Banana perspective it makes some amount of sense to see if his towncore had a hidden scum in it, especially seeing how his towncore last game had a pocketed scum the entire game.
I don't think that a disagreement on reads is necessarily a scumtell, but Varcron's post in particular came to me as having a bit of dissonance, Galeon and I (and Banana at the time) have all been buddying up real tight in the beginning of the game, it's strange how he can come up with the conclusion that Ganelon is scum, while Banana and I are town, from us all mimicking eachother.
I'm going to try to make things super clear from my PoV, I recommend everyone else do the same. There are two cases, in both of them, MM is scum, and either Light or Banana are scum.
This is what it looks like from my POV assuming that Banana is justice and is telling the truth.
deathworlds
theoneceko
BananaCucho
DS.
Light_Yagami
Marshmallow Marshall
renegade
Varcron
Green are confirmed town, red are confirmed scum, and white is variable.
That means the last scum is hiding between
renegade
DS.
theoneceko
Out of all of these, I trust them probably in order of Ceko, DS. and renegade, but since nothing is confirmed for me there, I'd have to rely on reads and whatever the night kill is tonight.
It's really hard to guess which of these three it would be, my guess is I would just have to analyze how MM interacted with everyone on the list and see what looked sus.
Also assuming that MM isn't an actress this timeline also confirms that I am town from everyone's POV
This is what it looks like from my POV assuming that Light_Yagami is justice and is telling the truth.
deathworlds
theoneceko
BananaCucho
DS.
Light_Yagami
Marshmallow Marshall
renegade
Varcron
Same rules as before, green is confirmed town, red is scum, white is variable.
This is the cursed timeline, because I really want Banana to be town, but it's still an entirely possible timeline that I have to consider. The scum is hiding in the same list, but just slap Varcron onto the end.
theoneceko
DS.
renegade
Varcron
For this timeline it's kinda easy to form the scum team, Banana/MM/Varcron just kinda fit well together, considering how the train was behaving, but ofc I'd have to take a closer look at how our two confirmed scums interacted with Varcron, who is just scummy, as opposed to confirmed.
I need to think this all through more before I come to a decision. I'm glad we have another day.
I'm not a fan of you somehow throwing me in the poe there while just a bit ago you were praising my town mentality.
Wowowowow, it would seem I have missed quite a lot. Note that my post reflects my thoughts BEFORE reading anything from D2 outside of page 24, 50 posts/page.-unvotebecause I must check the mechanical stuff. Also, calm down with your "confirmed scum" lol.
@BananaCucho Deathworlds is scum, not me. The heartbreaker talk at start really was just a smokescreen to look towny. I didn't really make any case on him before, but I'll start doing that. Don't lynch me
Ugh my motivation to play this game is completely gone
I will post my reasoning later behind why I think banana cuchi is the true justice and yigama is most likely actress as I have been studying their posts, but I have to get back to work. But here is my current reading:
town:
varcron
DW
banana cuchi
ninento DS
scum
Yigama/MM/Onegeko
Why onecoko to complete the scum triumvirate? He still doesn't even think MM is scum as of this post:
It is painfully obvious that MM is scum, and pages upon pages virtually confirming it due to the justice claim venn diagram overlap. Why is he refusing to acknowledge this?
First, people were TPR hunting. Kira himself was justice hunting.
Second, not really my style to leave cryptic messages behind. I made plays based off of what I found (2 players same alignment) and had I died I could be analyzed for that.
I did say during day 1 that I was worried that nobody was scumreading me. I was hoping that someone would analyze my posts and try to point out something scummy to get some heat off of me for a potential night kill. But something that people can meta me on is that I usually am a lot more aggressive at EOD pushing the lynch of who I think should die. I vote parked on Irreverent and pushed that lynch a lot more subtly and hung back a bit more so I wouldnt be in the spotlight as much, and less choice of a target. I guess it worked in a sense but we lost Nurse for it.
Lastly I dont know that Light actually scumread me day 1, I never got that vibe. He just left that 1 cryptic message tying MM and I together. Then he conveniently "checks" the guy that dies, causing this mess.
Ugh theres a lot of posts by MM this morning but I dont really wanna read them
I'm reviewing old posts lol. I haven't checked the EOD until now.
I think MM is scum, especially after your post about the Justice venn diagram thingy. However, I'd rather lynch Banana since he's flying under everyone's radar (except mine or Light's). Therefore, I think Banana is least likely to be Actress and appear as a town role if lynched.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
Galeon I see you reading. You will be avenged!
I just realized. Today is MLYLO
If we mislynch any day from here on out we lose
Unless Irreverent was actress, which I doubt since Kira is actress
Right? 8 alive. If we are wrong about MM lynch (I still think he's scum), it'll be 3v3 next day, which ends in a loss without nurse, no way for town to win
If MM flips scum its 4v2 next day, mislynch results in 2v2
We can't mislynch at all from here on out