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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Here it is anyway

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    Now that we have Treeckos flip I re read day 1. Here are my notes and I have some questions. I didn't get around to rereading day 2 yet.
    @Lag

    Early day 1 you seemed to be sniffing out some wolfiness from Treecko. Also when you post reads in #173 you have him scum leaning. Then in #372 he went into "hmm maybe?" status and I'm not seeing any progression here. In #666 you interact with Treecko, calling him out on a fishy position, which I think would trend him downwards on your list instead of upwards. In #705 you state you would sheep Misery's wolf read on Treecko, then in #707 you state you would sheep their town read on Treecko. In #711 and #716 you have Treecko low still. In crunch time you did vote Treecko at #953. But then when he claimed you immediately flipped the script. You claimed it was a reaction test to try to get him to town tell in #961. Now I can understand maybe having nerves about lunching a TPR, but even with 24 hours to think about it you immediately put him into your town reads on day 2 based off of the claim alone? Even though it was so awful? Can you please explain how/when he went into your town reads?

    When Treecko gets to L-3 Lag really leans into a 1v1 with stealth hard. This could absolutely be an attempt to draw attention there away from their scum bud. #355, #358, #369. This is also, coincidentally? when Lag moves Treecko from scum lean to "hmmm maybe?" status in #372.
    @PQRnHack same question. You started dogging Treecko early day 1. What changed? You seem to have gotten distracted by Lag and jumped to them in #112 - then jumped back on Treecko in #128. But from there until #567 I don't think you mention him once. You just kinda let him off the hook. Why?

    In #577 porno mentions other people being zero'd in on Treecko but doesn't include himself, since he maybe forgot that he was for a good half of the day? Again reiterates in #595 and #597 the question of "yeah but it Treecko is scum who are his mates" as if that's a valid concern at this point. #597 is particularly damning because it questions if Treecko can be scum if we can't point out his mates, downplaying the scum reads on him. In #785 a few hours before day end joins the Stealth train across from Treeckos. States in #786 that they're getting bad vibes from Treecko still. Says maybe stealth and treecko are scummates... Yet stealth gets the vote. Could be due to actually knowing which one is illuminati. Porno makes a last minute plug for Treecko at #902 that doesn't even make any sense.

    I am fairly certain Bradley is teamed with Treecko. Early day 1 he sniffs out a lot of suspicious stuff from Treecko with #183 as an example. In fact, Bradley does vote Treecko in #346 but moves off in #431, before the halfway point through the day, and votes Mallow in #546 (following Bloo in a sheep vote only) in a probable attempt to build a counter train to Treecko there

    In actual crunch time he never takes a stance in the Treecko/Stealth competing trains. Even though I repeatedly asked him to. And he says he would be inclined to vote Treecko literally less than an hour before EOD in #878. I won't bother asking him about any of it at this point because he's not going to answer. But he's sketch as fuck.

    Not sure about Auwt's alignment but he quietly votes Treecko in #199 and never moves that vote or tries to steer conversation elsewhere, even when it becomes obvious Treecko is a valid lunch candidate. Could be town or 3p but I doubt Illuminati

    Wrath points out in #212 that Lag is mostly ignoring Treecko, but upon review this doesn't really ring true. Lag did interact with Treecko and provide a scum lean read. Could have sniffed something fishy legitimately though and just not really put it to words well. In #278 wrath provides a null read on treecko. Wrath jumps on the competing stealth train (across from Treecko) in #516. In fact, for most of the day wrath appears to simply ignore Treeckos existence. Could maybe have been projecting their intended play in regards to him when saying Lag was ignoring Treecko early on? Wrath then townleans treecko deep into the day in #862 for inexplicable reasons when I push for him to be lunch. I actually think this is a bit too damning to be wolfy though. I know I would abandon treecko this close to EOD. So idk.

    Bloo first seems to comment on Treecko in #269, stating they feel stiff, but then town reads them in #273. Bloo re-states their town read of treecko in #284. For like no valid reason lol. Starts the mallow train in #488. States treecko is being sus in #538. Sus again in #700. Town read in #704.

    In crunch time Bloo moves to Treecko in #935. Pretty good optics there.

    I think there is at least 1 illuminati in the Lag/porno/Bradley bucket. Might be willing to consider wrath in there. I think we lunch within this group today and we get a scum
    I'm going to respond to this now too since I have nothing better to do.

    I put ceko in my townreads for toxic + disrespectful reasons as I've already mentioned, nothing more to it I guess and ceko can stand proud for proving me wrong about him. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I mentioned before, but the reason I leaned into the 1v1 hard was because I needed to have the wagon I was leading be the one that goes over. If I'm right, I get security protecting me + one scum down on day 1. If I'm wrong, I look scummy and will get slated for future ML by wolves. Either way I avoid eating a night 1 kill as I have eaten in my last several games due to my reputation as a strong player.

    I think your points on Wrath being super scummy looking are actually exactly right, to add to that:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    By the way, I think Wrath's reaction to EoD 1 during SoD 2 was very TMI'y

    he seemed outraged that stealth was killed instead of ceko and wanted to punish me and mizery for it?

    Like, he seemed disproportionately outraged at ceko being spared without actually pushing for ceko until after MM claimed.

    It's like he knew it was TvW wagons, and was trying to put pressure on the people that voted for the town, but forgot that not everyone knew it was actually TvW.

    I could easily see Wrath as Illuminati here

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    @Marshmallow Marshall
    @BananaCucho
    @Mizery
    @PQRnHack
    @Auwt
    @oliverz144

    Wrath says he confirms I'm conspiracy theorist in #1369

    He then pushes Mizery in #1370

    I ask him how he can confirm I'm conspiracy theorist and ask him for his role and he says:

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    Jk u think I'm dumb lol? I'm the conspiracy theorist
    -vote Lag
    I tell him to post all of his night actions right away, he responds with:

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    Zzz ill post in a few. No rush considering I'm hard ccing u r role.
    I tell him that there is a rush because if he's CCing he should have his actions readily available, he can just copy paste his previous submissions

    He says:

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    I have work.
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    Ykw just because I'm feeling nice ill forgive you for claiming my role

    -vote Mizery
    Realizing he screwed up in trying to CC me and so he immediately tries to walk it back

    He has this bizarre series of posts:
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    Sorry guys I'm actually illuminati according to Lag lmfaooooo
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    You've put me every color of the spectrum already from town to nai to illuminati to town lean to illuminati again. Why should I care what ur putting me as? Btw that cc was to confirm ur the actual conspiracy theorist. I'm serious.
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    XD. You can't read me, admit it.
    At which point I tell him to claim his true role. He says:

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    I am town.
    I tell him that's not a role claim and that he has to claim his role, not his alignment, he says:

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    All game I've played solo. I stuck my vote on ceko. I've been solving the game. I'm not under obligation to reveal my role.
    I give him the ultimatum:
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Wrath, if you do not claim your true role in your next post, you are outed and I will ensure you die today.
    At which point he responds with:
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    Zzz ur tunneling, a great folly for that confrontational personality you have
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    go ahead. I don't mind.

    Like, if this isn't a wolf, then he's just straight up throwing. And last time I assumed uncharitable things about a player rather than just a wolf, I ended up letting the Agent off the hook.

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    I am not roleclaiming.
    You were super annoyed with SB16 for not claiming in this post here:
    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    I'm so done. If sb16 didn't give up we would've had a chance. The scum team is Lag, and Mizery. Not like we're gonna win anyways cuz no one's gonna believe me now Lmao
    What changed so you now no longer believe in role-claiming?

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I can do that, but tell me why you ask me to do so!
    Because if you're actually Fixer you'll know what vote count is going to be posted at EoD today, and if your vote count matches the amount posted at EoD, you're basically confirmed.

    If it doesn't match, or you refuse to claim, then you're also basically confirmed, just confirmed to not be Fixer, lol

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Because if you're actually Fixer you'll know what vote count is going to be posted at EoD today, and if your vote count matches the amount posted at EoD, you're basically confirmed.

    If it doesn't match, or you refuse to claim, then you're also basically confirmed, just confirmed to not be Fixer, lol
    I do not like women bossing me around. Give me a reason why I should tell you the truth (and I do know the truth).

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Let me put it this way: town and Illum are quite fucked. Someone did a lot of job for 3P, looking at over 2x advantage on that one which is why I had to research to find out if i can still win with 2 losers (dem/rep) to win. It appears many towns went the 3p route lmao.
    You should claim the exact vote counts to confirm yourself as Fixer. Vague predictions that have a higher probability of being right due to luck are not going to cut it

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    You should claim the exact vote counts to confirm yourself as Fixer. Vague predictions that have a higher probability of being right due to luck are not going to cut it
    You speak as if you have control. I speak for self-preservation with my fellow KILLUMINATI!. If you don't like it, you lynch me and lose. Don't ever threaten me again. If anyone should deliver ultimatums, it is me. Get on with it, sleeping beauty.

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    You speak as if you have control. I speak for self-preservation with my fellow KILLUMINATI!. If you don't like it, you lynch me and lose. Don't ever threaten me again. If anyone should deliver ultimatums, it is me. Get on with it, sleeping beauty.
    So you're not actually Fixer and are instead Terrorist/Far Left Democrat, got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    So you're not actually Fixer and are instead Terrorist/Far Left Democrat, got it
    What you think of me means nothing, zero, to me. I am open neutral and my further actions are flexible. I am the wild card. But you have 0 chance of defeating the lead 3P has at this moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    What you think of me means nothing, zero, to me. I am open neutral and my further actions are flexible. I am the wild card. But you have 0 chance of defeating the lead 3P has at this moment.
    You do realize that I personally win with the 3P, right?

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Night 1 Guesses:
    1) Agent, Interceptor
    2) Lag targeted by Illuminati
    3) Reagan
    4) 8 votes
    5) Third Party is Gus Hall
    6) Bradland is Illuminati

    Night 2 Guesses:
    1) Agent, Shadow
    2) MM targeted by Illuminati
    3) Carter
    4) 9 votes
    5) Third Party is God
    6) PQ is Illuminati

    Illuminati consists of:
    Interceptor, Shadow, Agent

    Illuminati wishes to elect:
    Jimmy Carter
    smbdy convinced me to vote sm1 n1
    n2 voted rep
    idk if we can trust lag here
    Praise the Lord!

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    Re: S-FM 340: Election Day 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Actually, I'm gonna
    -unvote

    Not because I believe Lag, but because I don't want a quick hammer again - and who knows, I could be wrong. @oliverz144 have a quick ripe tomato in the face for the early hammer yesterday
    hmm yeah sry for that was kinda dumb for me, but i prevented our brains from fouling from ceko!
    Praise the Lord!

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