?KRC Reboot Gravity Falls Edition

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

If there were a way to guarantee no one defected and didn't take them, then that'd be a pretty funny way to end the game

No it would be a..

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

Way to end the game

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

Is Dipper still alive? I thought the day ended.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

ill be back later loads to do

[FM-Candy Chiu]

You know I just realized Soos is possibly the one that killed me
So idk if Old Man knew this, but Soos hid cyanide in his gift(he claimed this day 2) Soos claimed to have chucked it to the thread, and that's where the gifts in thread came from. This gift was the 1-shot auto vest I got, that old man gave me. It was laced with Cyanide according to soos. Idk if the Candy I ate also would have killed me, but considering I was never informed of any cyanide, I don't think it's unreasonable it had some negative effect on me.

Only reason I suspect Old Man knew about this was the fact he passed it on to me, which is a very weird thing to do when that was the same day Old Man started suspecting me when I got into that argument with Blendin. Idk why he didn't just open it himself.

So if it was really Soos' gift that killed me.. I suspect Old Man may have been complicit. Although this would require weird scum numbers, (4 mafia, 2 illuminati, 1 neutral), it wouldn't necessarily be impossible, especially if the illuminati was one of the mafia.

Granted this is just me being a conspiracy theorist who suspects anything and everything, but you know, it's worth being cautious... Though that theory has a lot of different holes that I'm not gonna think about rn since it's just a theory. Like, a lot of holes. But it's worth covering our bases.

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

@AIVION You forgot to reset the votes

[AIVION]

okie

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

Thanks @AIVION

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

You know I just realized Soos is possibly the one that killed me
So idk if Old Man knew this, but Soos hid cyanide in his gift(he claimed this day 2) Soos claimed to have chucked it to the thread, and that's where the gifts in thread came from. This gift was the 1-shot auto vest I got, that old man gave me. It was laced with Cyanide according to soos. Idk if the Candy I ate also would have killed me, but considering I was never informed of any cyanide, I don't think it's unreasonable it had some negative effect on me.

Only reason I suspect Old Man knew about this was the fact he passed it on to me, which is a very weird thing to do when that was the same day Old Man started suspecting me when I got into that argument with Blendin. Idk why he didn't just open it himself.

So if it was really Soos' gift that killed me.. I suspect Old Man may have been complicit. Although this would require weird scum numbers, (4 mafia, 2 illuminati, 1 neutral), it wouldn't necessarily be impossible, especially if the illuminati was one of the mafia.

Granted this is just me being a conspiracy theorist who suspects anything and everything, but you know, it's worth being cautious... Though that theory has a lot of different holes that I'm not gonna think about rn since it's just a theory. Like, a lot of holes. But it's worth covering our bases.

Bro, you think someone crushed up their pills and sprinkled it on their gift or something??? I don't see the relevance of any of this unless you were licking your vest. This isn't dnd, go easy on the big brain theories smh

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Bro, you think someone crushed up their pills and sprinkled it on their gift or something??? I don't see the relevance of any of this unless you were licking your vest. This isn't dnd, go easy on the big brain theories smh

You haven't gotten the memo? Every bulletproof vest ought to be licked before use. smh xP

But actually, he's not implying you're likely scum, not even implying that there's anything higher than a slim chance that you'd be scum due to this. IMO you seem to be the towniest person in this game other than Candy and myself who have been mechanically confirmed town.

Heck, I'd say you're even more likely to be town than Robbie who is seemingly also mechanically confirmed town. Just due to the chance that there was hidden information on his rolecard that changed his alignment to scum and didn't show up either when he flipped NOR when the person that submitted his role flipped. Apparently that's a possibility given that Wendy seems to have extra powers to her role that aren't on her rolecard. (Although Wendy could just be Illuminati, hence the extra info) xP

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With that out of the way, in what scenarios does the plan not work?
The Plan
Eliminate Soos today, Robbie kills Wendy, Wendy kills Robbie

Should just pretty much win the game on the spot, right?

[FM-Mabel Pines]

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Oops, I seem to have dropped some of these xD

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[FM-Mabel Pines]

Bonus part to the plan:
We get to semi-policy eliminate Soos for slanking for literally the last 2 weeks

The last time he's posted more than the bare minimum was July 28th xP

(No offense, Soos <3)

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

I endorse that plan! I don't really see how doing anything else at this point could work any better, even if we try to come up with complicated scenarios where the plan fails. Soos is next on the POE, and he'd need to be removed one way or another, even if he isn't lynched today.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

Bonus part to the plan:
We get to semi-policy eliminate Soos for slanking for literally the last 2 weeks

The last time he's posted more than the bare minimum was July 28th xP

(No offense, Soos <3)

Meh I gave up after n1. trying to figure out scum in krc games has gotten burning.
I don't even know how many town people are left. But if there are more town than scum killing me is a misyeet as I'm town. Why else would I remove from the list and try and kill a neutral claimer

I thought my role was fun, scored some scum atleast. I did wonder why I was town, but it seems reasonable now that I've been told that crossing off names didn't skip them.

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

FM-Soos Ramírez if you are town that means it has to be old man. Just throwing out there.. Because Mable and Candy are mechanically confirmed correct? Im still up for lynching you and following the plan of killing FM-Robbie Valentino.. However when Im dead and flip town and I hopefully manage to kill Robbie. The next lynch would be the old man..

[FM-Mabel Pines]

So... does Robbie plan on posting today? lol

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

So... does Robbie plan on posting today? lol

Cant be killed by sandwich god if he doesnt post I guess..

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

FM-Soos Ramírez if you are town that means it has to be old man. Just throwing out there.. Because Mable and Candy are mechanically confirmed correct? Im still up for lynching you and following the plan of killing FM-Robbie Valentino.. However when Im dead and flip town and I hopefully manage to kill Robbie. The next lynch would be the old man..

If the game doesn't end when it's just me, candy and Mabel I wouldn't even bother to defend myself, because only some ungodly combination of mechanics could make that possible. So I have no problem with this arrangement.

Honestly, I'd take the pills now and save us the discussion, but I'm a little paranoid one of you might survive the showdown and an extra town might die via the shotgun or smth. I dunno. I'd feel very bad if I took the pills now and borderline "threw" if it turned out my slot was needed.

Tho obvs if I'm the lynch taking the pills only makes sense. It looks like host confirms you took the pills midway thru day too, judging by what happened with mabel on d2. So yh, if for whatever reason ppl spontaneously find me super scummy and wanna lynch me b4 Soos give me a ping and I'll kms :P

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

If the game doesn't end when it's just me, candy and Mabel I wouldn't even bother to defend myself, because only some ungodly combination of mechanics could make that possible. So I have no problem with this arrangement.

Honestly, I'd take the pills now and save us the discussion, but I'm a little paranoid one of you might survive the showdown and an extra town might die via the shotgun or smth. I dunno. I'd feel very bad if I took the pills now and borderline "threw" if it turned out my slot was needed.

Tho obvs if I'm the lynch taking the pills only makes sense. It looks like host confirms you took the pills midway thru day too, judging by what happened with mabel on d2. So yh, if for whatever reason ppl spontaneously find me super scummy and wanna lynch me b4 Soos give me a ping and I'll kms :P

Was just throwing a thought out there.. But you make a very fair point. I guess we stick with the plan..

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

-vote FM-Soos Ramírez

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

What if all four of us are town hypothetically and Robbie really is the final boss..

[FM-Candy Chiu]

Do any of the dead abilities have a strongman kill outside of the breadcrumber that would be able to go through my protective abilities

[FM-Candy Chiu]

What if all four of us are town hypothetically and Robbie really is the final boss..

game shoulda ended before it went to night then

[FM-Candy Chiu]

mabel who have you painted

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

Do any of the dead abilities have a strongman kill outside of the breadcrumber that would be able to go through my protective abilities

Im not sure..

[FM-Candy Chiu]

mabel who have you painted

nvm, don't answer this

[FM-Candy Chiu]

@FM-Old Man McGucket protect Mabel tonight

[FM-Candy Chiu]

Is Robbie going to come online and do stuff...?

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

Is Robbie going to come online and do stuff...?

I consulted the magic 8 ball and this was the response it gave..

[FM-Wendy Corduroy]

Do any of the dead abilities have a strongman kill outside of the breadcrumber that would be able to go through my protective abilities

I just realized santa could create one and just remembered alan wake has a rifle that would bypass night immunity..

[FM-Mabel Pines]

If Robbie isn't going to post at all, I honestly think the best plan would just be to policy eliminate him... we very likely had either a 3v2 or a 4v1 before, and no one died, meaning we can just run night 4 again rather than risk having Robbie have come back as something other than Town, and start killing townies.

Thoughts?

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

@FM-Old Man McGucket protect Mabel tonight

aight

If Robbie isn't going to post at all, I honestly think the best plan would just be to policy eliminate him... we very likely had either a 3v2 or a 4v1 before, and no one died, meaning we can just run night 4 again rather than risk having Robbie have come back as something other than Town, and start killing townies.

Thoughts?

The only reason to even suspect Robbie may be scum is because of this ambiguous feedback wendy supposedly got, who also claims to have a stake that should kill robbie anyway. Am I wrong in my understanding there?

Lynching him isn't even a failsafe plan. That could backfire quite spectacularly.

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

The fact Robbie has been totally absent makes me believe he probably totally stopped following this game after night 1, and if he actually comes back he might return to tunnelling mabel and only be willing to vote mabel, which could have very bad consequences in some possible configurations tomorrow.

But with so little basis in actual known game mechanics, I don't see the justification for giving so much credence to the possibility Robbie came back as scum. I'm not sure how that would even work. How could that feasibly be considered balanced? Furthermore, why on earth would a virus software even "get a bad feeling" in the first place?! That is totally unlike how the role has worked so far lol.

Though, I think one thing that might give the theory some credence is all of the secrecy surrounding the mastermind. They are supposed to be dead anyway, yet the rolecard is half-missing and Wendy got specifically told they don't "have enough experience points" to fully see the role either. Wendy has been given some god-tier ability that gives him information on everything in the game yet still misses out info on alucard. I think that suggests his mechanics may still play some significant role in the game.

Yet, without a serious hypothesis for how Robbie could be scum or connected to alucard, this is still just lvl 100 conspiracy theories. There are 50 loose ends that need to be tied up to explain such a thing.

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

Furthermore, if the suspicion is simply that alucard may have some hidden power that allowed him to convert someone, continue to exert influence on the game, or take over another slot then there is little reason to level that suspicion at robbie in particular. The only way I can even imagine that making sense is if you think alucard has a power that allows him to resurrect as another slot and reentered the game that way. But I feel dumb just sharing the idea.

If Robbie rejoins and demonstrates he actually has the powers his passive says he should have, then I see no reason to believe his resurrection was due to anything other than the power of his rolecard, making it a totally independent process that noone else could feasibly preempt or predict. In such a scenario, the only case it would make sense to scumread him is if you think he was scum all along, or his power secretly resurrects him as scum or something.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

Idk this game has gone beyond the point of understanding. Are converts even allowed? Who's been converted? I don't think the mastermind is dead cause when the other brown person died it revealed all their alignment details, but mastermind didn't?!

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

Why are you voting me when I can't even kill anyone?

-vote FM-Wendy Corduroy

[FM-Old Man McGucket]

Idk this game has gone beyond the point of understanding. Are converts even allowed? Who's been converted? I don't think the mastermind is dead cause when the other brown person died it revealed all their alignment details, but mastermind didn't?!

:P

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

:P

Im just gonna sheep Candy.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

I realise I hate bastard games now.

[FM-Mabel Pines]

aight



The only reason to even suspect Robbie may be scum is because of this ambiguous feedback wendy supposedly got, who also claims to have a stake that should kill robbie anyway. Am I wrong in my understanding there?

Lynching him isn't even a failsafe plan. That could backfire quite spectacularly.

The reasoning is basically you believe one of the following:

• It is possible for information about a role to be hidden from the rolecard even after the role is flipped via death / the role submitter's death
• It is NOT possible for information about a role to be hidden from the rolecard after it gets flipped

If you think that it's not possible for information to be hidden, then it's an easy vote on Wendy because her rolecard mentions nothing about all the information she's been receiving and therefore she must be Illuminati with the factional knowledge gaining mechanic.

If you think that it is possible. Then if there ever were an ability that was written in a way where a secret alignment/win-con change would occur. It's exactly the ability that brought Robbie back to life.


On top of that, we're now what? 40 hours in to the day and Robbie has still made zero posts? That crosses the point where it's no longer plausible that he just hasn't noticed into the territory where he would have 100% have been poked by host and have then come up with a justification for not posting. What town motivated justifications are there for him not posting?

And what if he comes back and starts tunneling me again as you mentioned? He would be making the game unsolvable if he were town - but that could be exactly the look he's going for here as scum. Coming back and looking disinterested in the game in order to justify bad night actions.

What if he continues to just not post tomorrow and we miseliminate a town? We get into increasingly difficult territory with just letting him stay alive.

Town Robbie has had plenty of opportunities and motives to do literally anything, and at this point I can't really see any scenario where we have a town Robbie who's not going to do more harm than good. >.>

@FM-Wendy Corduroy

Place your vote on Robbie because the alternative is assuming that rolecards can't have hidden info which incriminates you

[FM-Mabel Pines]

@FM-Old Man McGucket

Also, you don't have to respond to this. But I am starting to realize that posts #98 and #99 in the neighborhood could be very ironic xP

[FM-Mabel Pines]

The reasoning is basically you believe one of the following:

• It is possible for information about a role to be hidden from the rolecard even after the role is flipped via death / the role submitter's death
• It is NOT possible for information about a role to be hidden from the rolecard after it gets flipped

If you think that it's not possible for information to be hidden, then it's an easy vote on Wendy because her rolecard mentions nothing about all the information she's been receiving and therefore she must be Illuminati with the factional knowledge gaining mechanic.

If you think that it is possible. Then if there ever were an ability that was written in a way where a secret alignment/win-con change would occur. It's exactly the ability that brought Robbie back to life.


On top of that, we're now what? 40 hours in to the day and Robbie has still made zero posts? That crosses the point where it's no longer plausible that he just hasn't noticed into the territory where he would have 100% have been poked by host and have then come up with a justification for not posting. What town motivated justifications are there for him not posting?

And what if he comes back and starts tunneling me again as you mentioned? He would be making the game unsolvable if he were town - but that could be exactly the look he's going for here as scum. Coming back and looking disinterested in the game in order to justify bad night actions.

What if he continues to just not post tomorrow and we miseliminate a town? We get into increasingly difficult territory with just letting him stay alive.

Town Robbie has had plenty of opportunities and motives to do literally anything, and at this point I can't really see any scenario where we have a town Robbie who's not going to do more harm than good. >.>

@FM-Wendy Corduroy

Place your vote on Robbie because the alternative is assuming that rolecards can't have hidden info which incriminates you

To add on to that, it's not like eliminating Robbie today is going to throw away the game if he is town.

If he is town, then we gained a town that is completely uninterested in playing at best, and will be actively detrimental to town at worst. I think we were nearly won at EoD4, and based on Robbie's total absence, I think our best chance to win will be just resetting back to that state.

Robbie got a second chance to play the game, and he chose to ignore it. Whatever, last 3 IRL days were a total waste of time, but let's just eliminate him and move on.

[FM-Mabel Pines]

Another very plausible scenario for Robbie not posting:

He's trying to hold his breadcrumb action as long as possible so that he can make a super scummy bread-crumbed action at the last minute and town won't have enough people online to switch the votes onto him in order to stop it.

[FM-Soos Ramírez]

It could be blackmail that's why they can't talk?

[FM-Candy Chiu]

No, we're not lynching Robbie lol. We lynch Soos.

[FM-Candy Chiu]

-vote FM-Soos Ramírez

[FM-Candy Chiu]

-unvote

[FM-Candy Chiu]

Soos can only be Illuminati based on two things:

Dipper's last second switch to them
Soos leaving Dipper in his list of kills

This heavily suggests he is not mobster..

[FM-Robbie Valentino]

Morning let's start by eating a sandwich.
All you people
Keep in mind
Everyone here is an idiot
Meanwhile,
Everyone is also boring.
Tell my mom I love her.
Overall I have no idea whats going on.
Win or lose IDC
Nevermore.

[FM-Robbie Valentino]

if you no believe im town, after that u have no choice sandwich