S-FM 231: Black Flag Nightless 3.0

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Now I'm going off, you better save me while I'm off because if you don't, you lose. Gl hf guys, hope I'll speak again tomorrow.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Now I'm going off, you better save me while I'm off because if you don't, you lose. Gl hf guys, hope I'll speak again tomorrow.

>>> I dont know what to do. I am very bad at playing scum. As with most things in this game, someone else do it fot me and save me.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Wooooooo
Boy this sure is fun. Sure am glad i signed for this beautiful game. Definitely no #sarcasms around here!

[Iced_Monopoly]

I think im invested heavily enough into this that @Spruance has to be scum too if he is refusing to acknowledge how obv!scum MM is. 2 down, 1 to go

[Hybrid]

Hello I came ba-
GoatseOntheCupboard (1 [L-4]):
Spruance
Iced_Monopoly (1 [L-4]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Marshmallow Marshall (3 [L-2]):
Iced_Monopoly, Stealthbomber16, Mesk514
yzb25 (1 [L-4]):
GoatseOntheCupboard


(and 15 pages to read)

[Hybrid]

Geez, will vote when I ve read the whole thing

[Stealthbomber16]

Geez, will vote when I ve read the whole thing

Or savior!

[Hybrid]

But first I want to check this:

-vote Hybrid

[Hybrid]

Nope doesn't work lmao

-unvote

[Stealthbomber16]

But first I want to check this:

-vote Hybrid

I take it back.

[Mesk514]

Just vote the marshmallow

[Hybrid]

Just vote the marshmallow

You sure? Because I were to hammer MM we won't have anymore chance.

[yzb25]

-vote Iced_Monopoly

Thoughts coming soon.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'm looking at the Day 3 opening post.


To Spruance: RLVG and GoatOntheCupboard voted Iced_Monopoly. Iced is the most obvious scum here. I think Goat is innocent.

Now, list of people who voted RLVG: Hybrid, yzb25... SB16, Iced and Mesk? Uh oh... We got some suspects here. Stealthbomber16 and Iced_Monopoly are probably being scum together. They pushed, and literally built RLVG's trial. Mesk hammered. I don't think he's Goon, but he COULD be. However, we do not have to take out all goons in the game. If Mesk is Goon, I'd still not take the chance for now.

I'm going to check the list of votes I've made, two seconds please.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So. Back to Day One.

Stealthbomber votes Hybrid.
Hybrid votes him back.
Iced votes Hybrid.

And Day Two again. Stealthbomber parks his vote on RLVG. Iced does the same thing right after him.

So, Iced is either sheeping Stealthbomber hard because he's dumb, OR Iced and Stealthbomber are scum together.
Plus, Stealthbomber's "Sold. -vote marshmallow marshall" was right after Iced's post. I think he did this post just to give Stealth a good reason to vote me.

So Iced, or ? I'd say .

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Just vote the marshmallow

Wait wait wait... Lol. You are doing the same thing with me that you did with RLVG, scums.

Stealth votes first, because he's probably better at making a good fake accusation. Then, Iced follows with some bullshit and a vote. After this, Mesk just votes without saying why, because "he's town". This is a pattern.

So stop voting me, I don't want to be president anyway.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I think im invested heavily enough into this that @Spruance has to be scum too if he is refusing to acknowledge how obv!scum MM is. 2 down, 1 to go

First: we must take out two goons to win. Game ends when we got 4 citizens for one goon. That's it, that's all.
Second: Spruance is very obviously witch hunting. And if you look at the zone when he voted me and tried to make me get lynched, you will come to this conclusion: MM and Spruance cannot be scum together.

[Mesk514]

Can you fucks get avatars already....

[Stealthbomber16]

So. Back to Day One.

Stealthbomber votes Hybrid.
Hybrid votes him back.
Iced votes Hybrid.

And Day Two again. Stealthbomber parks his vote on RLVG. Iced does the same thing right after him.

So, Iced is either sheeping Stealthbomber hard because he's dumb, OR Iced and Stealthbomber are scum together.
Plus, Stealthbomber's "Sold. -vote marshmallow marshall" was right after Iced's post. I think he did this post just to give Stealth a good reason to vote me.

So Iced, or ? I'd say .

Dude he posted that because I was on the fence about you being scum and his ISO brings up a lot of good points that you have yet to recognize or even acknowledge.

So yes. I voted you after his post because his post convinced me.

Can you fucks get avatars already....

For real tho.

[yzb25]

Iced's ISO on MM is bad. I wish to make some controversial but important points on the nature of scumhunting:

1) Inconsistency and hypocrisy is not scummy - Humans are impulsive creatures. Players that are new to FMs are learning a lot and taking in lots of information, meaning their view is constantly changing. Some people are also naturally fickle.
Hybrid has also flipflopped a lot on what he has said. So has Spruance. But do you honestly think the scumteam is Hybrid/MM/Spruance?

2) Asskissing is generally not scummy. Using emoticons, embellishing your posts with platitudes, and such is usually indicative of a personality - not an alignment. Some players (and by some I mean Titus) may believe sucking up to people may get those people to townread them. But it doesn't. I myself often "asskiss" because I'm a beta suck up.

3) Slips are not scummy. I've also "slipped" several times this game revealling I'm "informed" that a player is scum or "informed" that a player is town. Sometimes we omit to preface are opinions with "I think". That's all.

Anyway, let pink represent inconsistency, hypocrisy and fickleness, let light blue represent asskissing, and let gold represent slips, and let green (sorry DWs) represent my annotations. Let no color (outside of quotes) represent points by Iced that aren't one of the above.

This is long. But it is essential. I absolutely emplore everyone to read it. Even if it feels like its dragging on, it needs to be read. Especially by players currently town reading MM. Maybe youve missed posts, or written posts off as stupid, or just havnt been reading him in depth enough, but when you look at MM collectively, it is disgustingly apparent that he is scum. From slips, to wild vote throwing, never any evidence towards any of his reads, sheeping hard, buddying hard, potentially defending hard. 0 town motivation in anything he does.

Spoiler : Long ass ISO :

Okay this is clearly weird. Leave stealth be... I want your next message to be "-unvote". If it's not the case, I will vote you. :banhammer:

Threatening for vote control

At the start of day 1, Hybrid and Marsh were voting people for voting before everyone had checked in - we collectively agreed (other than Iced) to peg this down to noob paranoia.

Yzb25, I want to add that -unvote won't be enough. I request something to explain this vote. He has done nothing in the game, and it'd be a weird bait. Really strange action if you're town, especially after the scandal of my vote against RLVG.

By the way, I'm sorry for randoming you out xD

Nothing in particular here, just the 'im sorry for randoming you out exdee' really rubs me the wrong way. Nothing is worse than forced humour and emoticons in a game like this. I think this is why I was so against yzb earlier too, it looked very much like he was pandering his posts to certain players with the use of this kind of chat, as a way to soften his image/buy cred subconsciously (with players who do this shit).

I also remember he forgot about the game once... Idk. But still,
-vote yzb25


For this sudden aggressivity on a random AFK.

Throws vote around like a mad. Always looking to see what sticks. Frequently abandons initial reasoning for 'lol jk voting' someone once traction games on them. Then suddenly has belief they are scum and sheeps votes.

Also, he never said his vote was 'lol jk'. Confusing Marsh for Hybrid XD.

Do you think you are useful? Because you are not, BUT NOT AT ALL.

Immediately after voting yzb for voting superjack, MM now comes after super, seemingly out of nowhere. Setting himself up to join the traction train.

MM's vote on me wasn't even random or inconsistent. He did it following the reasoning we shouldn't vote before everyone checks in. Bad reasoning, but not out of nowhere.

Are you voting against the guys who defended you? And you probably expect a sheeping from other players...
-vote Stealthbomber16

Vote thrown around again


>>>We are not looking for lynches
>>>Throws vote around on so many people
>>>???
>>>Profit?

I love how you need the "?" on Profit, because this play doesn't actually make sense from scum POV XD.

At this point of the game, we are trying to get opinions, and not lynches. Sorry, but I do not get the usefulness of this post. Please explain.

Just finished telling hybrid *<-Spruance* off for scumhunting and voting. Then congratulates him on scum hunting. *<-Not even a contradiction because he was talking to Spruance THEN Hybrid* Then after saying were not looking for lynches(literally 2 posts prior), joins the biggest train and puts superjack at L1.

After reading the recent posts, I come to this list:

Hybrid is witch hunting. Literally. Countering every post with another, very active. May be the most useful player here. Town lean.
yzb25 is trying to catch scums a lot. Wouldn't lynch him for now.
Spruance, not very active but tries to give good arguments. Wouldn't lynch him for now.

Omegasaur is just inactive. Nothing else no say, he just goes with everyone. Could be scum, not a priority target.
Mesk514 is pointing fingers more than usual. May be scum, not a priority target.
Stealthbomber16 is acting weird. He makes one big wall, then we don't hear him. He didn't bring anything useful to the game, when he is usually very useful. Suspicious.
RLVG is afraid to vote, but gives an opinion on everything. Could be a strategy, but suspicious.
Iced_Monopoly is very suspicious.
I would be very surprised if SuperJack wasn't a scum.

The 9 players out of myself are here. Top of list = less suspicious, bottom = most suspicious.

Once again, he put SJ at L1, after saying he doesnt want to lynch, then compiles a reads list, and doesnt even incldue sj in it.

Though Marsh doesn't talk about SJ here, Marsh gives many posts talking about and justifying his scumread on SJ, and even lays out 3 reasons somewhere. This is quite the selective ISO.

It sounds legit to me, since that's how I play in every game that involves deception. This strategy is good. I am town reading Hybrid. I am scum reading SJ. Nothing else to say to vote SJ.

Still no justification for voting SJ. Just continues to leave him as the day 1 lynch.

Again, he gave justifications, you're just leaving them out..

It sounds legit to me, since that's how I play in every game that involves deception. This strategy is good. I am town reading Hybrid. I am scum reading SJ. Nothing else to say to vote SJ.

This was my first major problem with MM. After spendinf several posts telling people that we dont want to be lynching, and calling them on lynching. Then throwing his vote around like a maniac. Then joining a train, without reasoning to put someone at L1, THEN saying theyre voting them because they tried to stop people from lynching is so contradictory that you could write a M Night movie on this.

Also, that slip. I still dont believe in the justification MM tried to present for it. He said we needed to lynch to see who defended the citizen. He knew SJ was a citizen. This isnt the first time he slips knowing a role either, stay tuned folks.

Not im the slightest. You just finished saying only scum would defend scum. Which by your own logic would mean a scum flip is more beneficial to you than a town flip. Which means you wouldnt be specifically saying todays lynch is a cit lynch, unless you knew it was going to be.

This was my follow up to his post, which never recieved a response. further confirmation scum slip was scum slip.

SORRY SJ *imagine loads of rope pictures*

RLVG, could you please come here? Just two seconds...

This continues on for some number of posts, i wont make this iso longer than it needs to be with spammed nooses. He immediately votes RLVG following SJs flip. More stupid fucking emoticons to pretend like he cares, after literally voting sj for no reason.

Omega is just AFK.
The attacks against RLVG were based on lies, misunderstandings and scum votes.
Iced is very scummish.

This is almost from the start of d2, right after MM had a fit and threw nooses and accusations at RLVG. MM immediately vote swaps to me, despite us both pushing rlvg for the same case and reasons. If his arguements of lies, misunderstandings, and scum votes is true, then by that logic he himself is scum? Convenient vote throwing around.

The number of missed out posts is ridiculous. He started townreading RLVG and in turn townreading the points RLVG was making against you, so he followed RLVG. Recall he was scumreading you on day 1 anyway.

Because of the big fat spoiler wall of text, I'd say RLVG is not very suspicious. He explained every action he did, and they are all founded.

His reaction at my early bullshit vote was town-like.

+2 town points for RLVG.

Retracts/downplays his own posts to avoid attention. Also easily impressed by wall posts. Expecting free town cred if he actually reads this. Which he wont.

He did not even "downplay his own posts" here. That is pure fabrication. The "impressed by wallposts" point is the only reasonable point so far, though many lazy players fall in this trap - like Mesk.

Stealthbomber is really inactive.
If he was TOTALLY inactive and AFK, the host would kic--- smite him, no? So... what is he dooiiiinggggg??? STEALTHBOMBER16, WHERE ARE YOU WHEN WE NEED YOU?!

Quote from Stealthbomber himself: Being inactive favors scums.

For some 5-6 posts now, he has given a free pass to omega for being absent almost entirely. Even defends his inactivity. But then is okay to attack stealth for being afk? Contradictory scum behaviour yet again


Just for a laugh. Mesk has corrected MM multiple times about her gender. He continues to get it wrong. But expects everyone to know how to spell his name. Back to seriousness.

lol

This game is going weird. Spruance isn't giving any real reason to lynch Stealthbomber16 or Hybrid, but he votes them. RLVG, I'd like to see your comments about this (well when you'll be on)

Doesnt actually throw his vote around here, and asks for his shepard to come lead him. RLVG is on chopping block atm, this looks like actual buddying. Especially given he shortly slips he knows rlvg to be town.

Is this the first case of something that looks like "actual buddying?". \sarcasm/ Could it possibly be that you've filled this wallpost out with filler like "not-actual-buddying" to throw the lazy sheep off? Anyway, he's asking for RLVG's opinion, not swearing fealty.

Iced's lynch may happen on Day 3. I don't think it's happening now, RLVG. We should try to find other leads against other suspicious players.

Dat callout to RLVG again. Oh hey buddy, mind telling me where I should park my sheep vote? kthx. Also for the amount that MM throws his vote around, there are players like mesk that he never votes against, without question or reasoning. <Insert some farfetched conspiracy theory here>

Random association reads against Mesk that go nowhere. Nice.

Spruance is not a fucking scum... Stop this circus. If Spruance gets lynched, lynch the guy who hammers lol...

More or less my feelings toward SJ on d1, just interesting that MM is so happy to defend someone like this, but then scum read me for doing it. More contradictory gameplay

Indeed. Lynching Spruance gives nothing but a lost citizen. However, Spruance is borderline gamethrowing. Only sad thing is that we cannot afford a policy lynch here.

This is the second scum slip of the game. MM openly admits that Spruance is a citizen. There is no ambiguity here. He announces that a spruance lynch is a citizen lynch.

You just scumslipped by admitting you know the Spruance lynch is a citizen lynch! For all we know, Marsh was defending his buddy here! ...........See why scumslips don't mean anything, reader?

Humm... I'm beggining to think the same. Going off for some time, but I'm leaving my vote on Stealthbomber16 while im offline.
-vote Stealthbomber16
I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing here. Please do not hammer Spruance or Stealthbomber16, I want to hear SB's defense first, and Spruance is town.

Spruance train is dying down, RLVGs is still half decent. Moves vote to SB but doesnt want to see SB hammered, even though day is ending. IMO reads as trying to buy cred with RLVG as he percieves him to be the stronger/better player to buddy with in a lynch between SB and RLVG. (This is restrospective, initially I had considered an allied defense, not buddying, but it still fits the narrative.)

Hesitance to lynch someone he has repeatedly stated is a hard townread is not scummy.

Lol. I unvoted you, it's not for nothing. I want you to be productive, not to just attack everything you see. How did mesk say that... A chicken without a head?

Reasonably certain I have one of the highest post counts in the game, although hard to compete with someone spamming nooses. Unfounded reasoning to vote, instead is resorting to scraping for reactionary arguements.

You can't accuse someone of scraping for firing a shot at you >.<.

Unvote. Goat is obviously Town. Unvote him right now and be constructive, for god's sake...

This post emphasises the point that MM KNOWS how to talk about people he BELIEVES are town. The previous slip posts he out right said that players were specifically citizens and town. This time he claims "obviously town" which is more a belief rather than a scum knowledge comment.

Literally cannot be reading the game at this point. Throwing shade around.

Both myself and YZB make posts and appeals to get people to vote RLVG for his scum behaviour. Of course I get the vote from MM though. Either MM thinks im the easier lynch between yzb, or he is allied with yzb. Although I dont see that connection.

Hesitance to lynch me because I'm a hard townread is not scummy - same with RLVG.

What the fuck... You guys lynched RLVG for no reason. Whyyyy....... Now get on Iced immediatly before he poisons your mind!!!

Literally cannot be reading the game at this point. Throwing shade around.

??? How is that even throwing shade? He SCUMREADS you. Your random association read on Mesk above is "throwing shade"!

You're just giving opinions and never vote. You are either dumb or scum. Since I don't know you and theres 3/7 chances for you to be scum, I'm gonna say you're scum.

Good job on the sesame street thing, I find it funny even if I'm targeted by the insult xD

Calls me out for not voting. But then also votes me for voting. Which is it? Il tell you what it is. desperate fucking scum.

Without a shadow of a doubt, MM is scum.

GJ to those who take the time to read ALL OF IT, including Marsh's posts, and think about it.

Iced should know the 3 misreading tactics are shit, seeing how I've fucking discussed them with him before. Which makes this ISO of misrep extremely scummy. He's pulling out every cheap shot to push this lynch.

This wouldn't be bad on day 1. It's just at this point in the game we're trying to have a levelheaded conversation about where scums are and he's putting everyone in argument mode. I felt the rage was sincere on day 1, but now I think it's a tool.

[yzb25]

This day has basically been

Marsh: *makes a stupid but benign point*

Iced: "SDFGFDSGTHGFDFGRTH THAT'S THE SCUMMIEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN HE NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED RITE NOW!!!"

The arguments against Marsh, while not completely lacking in validity, are certainly not strong. The lack of nuance in Iced's attempts to figure out whether Marsh really is scum pushes me over the edge and makes me think he has an agenda.

It also makes me recant what I thought about him on day 1 - I think he was completely aware he was being too hard on me but pushed me that hard because the tunnel was a convenient chaos causer that would probably get overlooked.

[yzb25]

This day has basically been

Marsh: *makes a stupid but benign point*

Iced: "SDFGFDSGTHGFDFGRTH THAT'S THE SCUMMIEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN HE NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED RITE NOW!!!"

The arguments against Marsh, while not completely lacking in validity, are certainly not strong. The lack of nuance in Iced's attempts to figure out whether Marsh really is scum pushes me over the edge and makes me think he has an agenda.

It also makes me recant what I thought about him on day 1 - I think he was completely aware he was being too hard on me but pushed me that hard because the tunnel was a convenient chaos causer that would probably get overlooked.

"What I *said* about him"

[Spruance]

-vote Stealthbomber16

Iced if you are town plz stop.

[Spruance]

Argh I am so confused. To vote marsh or iced, IDK.

[Spruance]

I think we've got to the point where either Marsh and yzb25 are scum, or iced and stealthbomber. But then again town could just be utterly confused right now imo.

[Spruance]

Everyone should make it clear where they think the last scum lie, and what their lynch interests currently are.

At this point, there's no reason to hold any cards to our chest, beyond laziness. Personally:

Feel good about:

Mesk
Spruance

Feel less good about but okay with:

Hybrid
SB16

Unsure about:

Goatse

Bad vibe from:

Iced
MM

Which would make my scumteam Goatse, MM and Iced.

But that wouldn't make much sense without bussing shenanigans because Iced seems to be hard pushing MM right now, and Goatse preferred Iced over RLVG yesterday.

The reread has made my opinion on Iced shift. The way he's treating MM now corresponds to how he treated me on day 1. He must be aware his attitude isn't productive, and I'm starting to think this is a manipulative strategy. I remember Iced to have far more capacity for level-headedness.

I gave some of my reasoning for why I don't feel good about MM at EOD2. He didn't really give a satisfying response.

I might make more formal cases later for the inquiring mind, but that's where I stand right now.

What do you think now? Obviously MM and Iced aren't on the same team lol.

[Spruance]

How much time is left in the day?

[yzb25]

I think we've got to the point where either Marsh and yzb25 are scum, or iced and stealthbomber. But then again town could just be utterly confused right now imo.

I've tried my best to always find the truth, regardless of the situation.

If not, I wouldn't have expressed a town rationalization to your actions on day 2, and would have let the easy lynch go through.

RLVG woulda been an easy lynch after that as well.

I'm thinking Iced/SB16, naturally. The point in day 1 when Iced remarked how scummy he found the SB16-Hybrid flipflop but chose to go after Hybrid and never acknowledged that moment from SB again feels off. In an alternate universe, I could imagine this Iced-persona tunneling SB about that for 10 pages.

[yzb25]

EOD is at 6am UST / GMT.

[Spruance]

-vote Iced_Monopoly

I didn't want to do this but I don't think I have a choice ):

[Spruance]

This is one of those instances where RNGing a tie is complete bs lool

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote Stealthbomber16

Iced if you are town plz stop.

Well, a vote on Stealthbomber isn't bad since he's scum with Iced. However, Iced is a greater threat to the town imo, since he's pushing lynches more than Stealth. We can just not listen to Stealth's attacks.

The scum team revealed, they are Iced, SB16 and Mesk514. Lynch them in order and GG.

[Hybrid]

fuck i still didn't read
wouldn t be suprised MM is scum tho x)

[yzb25]

fuck i still didn't read
wouldn t be suprised MM is scum tho x)

pls read.

reading is good.

[yzb25]

Well, a vote on Stealthbomber isn't bad since he's scum with Iced. However, Iced is a greater threat to the town imo, since he's pushing lynches more than Stealth. We can just not listen to Stealth's attacks.

The scum team revealed, they are Iced, SB16 and Mesk514. Lynch them in order and GG.

We will not be speed chain lynching. We will make a point of reviewing the subjects further before throwing our vote forward blindly.

For the good of the town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@yzb25 , could you please vote against Iced? Goat's lynch is very obviously not happening today, and I don't think he is scum anyway.

[Spruance]

@yzb25 , could you please vote against Iced? Goat's lynch is very obviously not happening today, and I don't think he is scum anyway.

He is lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

We will not be speed chain lynching. We will make a point of reviewing the subjects further before throwing our vote forward blindly.

For the good of the town.

You are right, but it wouldn't be blind. The scum team literally revealed... but ok lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

He is lol

Well... He could be scum, and Mesk could just be a .

[Spruance]

Well... He could be scum, and Mesk could just be a .

I meant yzb is voting iced lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I meant yzb is voting iced lol

His vote is still on GoatOntheCupboard. Look at the Vote Count.

[yzb25]

You are right, but it wouldn't be blind. The scum team literally revealed... but ok lol.

I concede the "blind" bit was a little exaggerated. ^^

[Hybrid]

im okay with going with goat

hm?

Not sure why people are saying goatse is scum. He has been consistently adding constructive posts throughout the time he has been in the game and explaining all of his reads and reasonings behind them. He's in the upper echelons of my town reads.

I'm leaning more towards the marsh train. I don't like his interactions with iced and I'm feeling like he isn't providing much valuable info.

I want to hear more things from:
Iced
Goatse
Mesk

Speaking of mesk...

-vote Mesk514

Mesk was in charge of the SJ bullet train, kicking it off on day 1. Her content that day was awesome and I loved it but since then it has dropped significantly. Since, she has been flying under the radar as a town or null read for god knows what reason.

I'm fairly confident that mesk is scum. I will make a more comprehensive case later tonight when I get home from a school event, or maybe even tomorrow. It depends on how late it goes.

agreed, she is like "i ll vote someone and go off"

Wew it’s nice that since the town players (Spruance and MM) are shit that the scum (YZB, who gets attention off of iced monopoly the scum and onto RLVG the town) get to completely control the discussion

YZB is obviously the best and most articulate player here, and is organizing constant mislynches thanks to the shitty elected town leader we have (Spruance)

Mesk was never confirmed town, the only thing mesk did to contribute was point out SJ’s poor voting and pressuring on SB
Mesk lynches RLVG for hammering SJ, then hammers RLVG without a word lul

scum legit think they can just vote everyone who isn't scum and win the game
Remember to lynch YZB, Iced and either mesk or SB after

MM and hybrid your votes are shit and you’re bad but you’re probably town

don t think MM is town tho, from the begining i ve been suspicous of him

Srsly why are we letting mesk fly so far below the radar? (s)he has literally contributed 2-3 posts tops towards actually giving reads on players, and that resulted in a town lynch
YZB is playing smart for sure. YZB has been the rallying point for the town, and sucked up nicely to mesk (idk if this is a legit interaction or if they're scum together) and to Spruance, since luckily Spruance is so shit he will townread you if you townread him and vote with his nonsense reads.
YZB sucks up to iced, changes the train from Iced to RLVG (even tho I'm pretty sure Iced and YZB are scumteam, like 90% ngl)

Although YZB made the very apt contribution that the votes on Iced seemed uncoordinated, and that it was likely not mafia voting him [Post 732] - is this not a reason to vote for Iced? It makes no sense to me. I admittedly thought that the scum were uncoordinated noobs early in the game, but now that my strongest townreads (hybrid, MM, Spruance) are all noob players, I think that scum are good players IE Yzb, Iced and mesk/SB16 and just coordinating to push for town lynches over and over again.

The push on me is EZ - Mod Goatse says that "Spruance is mafia because his arguments are nonsensical and seem to push a mafia objective", but smart Goatse says "My intuition says he is town 100%, so if I were scum I jump on the first town player that Spruance "reads" and try to push them ASAP.

i agree, your lynch would be too easy since your slot has changed 3 times so we don t havea clue on you.
i also agree that mm me and spruance are noob players, i am suspicous of both spruance and mm still.

idk if this is "look, I wanted to push mesk, not goatse the citizen last night! I surely can't be scum" setting up for d4 LYLO, but I think it's helping in that mesk needs to actually give reads and that sheep voting isn't acceptable even in a game full of noobs. Either way I want to see Iced, YZB and either SB/Mesk lynched today

disagreed, i want to hear more things from mesk as well. she s been only voting and not speaking.

If you know me, you'd know I feel rather embarrassed for kicking off the SuperJack train, thus leading his mislynch.... Therefore since then, the motivation went from 500 to 100. Especially since imo, both him and RLVG were acting scummy as fuck.

if Stealthbomber is gonna vote me, im just gonna vote him back... I deterred his train Day 1, he shouldn't spit on me like that

omg you feel embrased? omg omgom omg omgom gom g but u have a vagina!

@Mesk514 @yzb25 @Marshmallow Marshall @Iced_Monopoly

We are the 5 town members remaining in the game. LET'S NOT VOTE EACH OTHER OKAY.

I don't really care about the order that we lynch, but the mafia are indisputably:

Goat
Hybrid
Stealthbomber

DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU OTHERWISE. They would be lying and that my friends is bad karma.

I admit my suspicion towards Marsh was not well founded, as well as my suspicion of RLVG was more just hating the way he was being a bitch instead of helping town. In conclusion, mute goat, hybrid, and stealthbomber, and vote them up as you wish. We need all 5 of us to vote one. We should start with goat. Thank you. That is all.

Shut up, you are #1 scum suspicion on my eye, i changed my opinion against iced

This is long. But it is essential. I absolutely emplore everyone to read it. Even if it feels like its dragging on, it needs to be read. Especially by players currently town reading MM. Maybe youve missed posts, or written posts off as stupid, or just havnt been reading him in depth enough, but when you look at MM collectively, it is disgustingly apparent that he is scum. From slips, to wild vote throwing, never any evidence towards any of his reads, sheeping hard, buddying hard, potentially defending hard. 0 town motivation in anything he does.

Spoiler : Long ass ISO :

Threatening for vote control



Nothing in particular here, just the 'im sorry for randoming you out exdee' really rubs me the wrong way. Nothing is worse than forced humour and emoticons in a game like this. I think this is why I was so against yzb earlier too, it looked very much like he was pandering his posts to certain players with the use of this kind of chat, as a way to soften his image/buy cred subconsciously (with players who do this shit).



Throws vote around like a mad. Always looking to see what sticks. Frequently abandons initial reasoning for 'lol jk voting' someone once traction games on them. Then suddenly has belief they are scum and sheeps votes.



Immediately after voting yzb for voting superjack, MM now comes after super, seemingly out of nowhere. Setting himself up to join the traction train.



Vote thrown around again


>>>We are not looking for lynches
>>>Throws vote around on so many people
>>>???
>>>Profit?



Just finished telling hybrid off for scumhunting and voting. Then congratulates him on scum hunting. Then after saying were not looking for lynches(literally 2 posts prior), joins the biggest train and puts superjack at L1.



Once again, he put SJ at L1, after saying he doesnt want to lynch, then compiles a reads list, and doesnt even incldue sj in it.



Still no justification for voting SJ. Just continues to leave him as the day 1 lynch.



This was my first major problem with MM. After spendinf several posts telling people that we dont want to be lynching, and calling them on lynching. Then throwing his vote around like a maniac. Then joining a train, without reasoning to put someone at L1, THEN saying theyre voting them because they tried to stop people from lynching is so contradictory that you could write a M Night movie on this.

Also, that slip. I still dont believe in the justification MM tried to present for it. He said we needed to lynch to see who defended the citizen. He knew SJ was a citizen. This isnt the first time he slips knowing a role either, stay tuned folks.



This was my follow up to his post, which never recieved a response. further confirmation scum slip was scum slip.



This continues on for some number of posts, i wont make this iso longer than it needs to be with spammed nooses. He immediately votes RLVG following SJs flip. More stupid fucking emoticons to pretend like he cares, after literally voting sj for no reason.



This is almost from the start of d2, right after MM had a fit and threw nooses and accusations at RLVG. MM immediately vote swaps to me, despite us both pushing rlvg for the same case and reasons. If his arguements of lies, misunderstandings, and scum votes is true, then by that logic he himself is scum? Convenient vote throwing around.



Retracts/downplays his own posts to avoid attention. Also easily impressed by wall posts. Expecting free town cred if he actually reads this. Which he wont.



For some 5-6 posts now, he has given a free pass to omega for being absent almost entirely. Even defends his inactivity. But then is okay to attack stealth for being afk? Contradictory scum behaviour yet again




Just for a laugh. Mesk has corrected MM multiple times about her gender. He continues to get it wrong. But expects everyone to know how to spell his name. Back to seriousness.




Doesnt actually throw his vote around here, and asks for his shepard to come lead him. RLVG is on chopping block atm, this looks like actual buddying. Especially given he shortly slips he knows rlvg to be town.



Dat callout to RLVG again. Oh hey buddy, mind telling me where I should park my sheep vote? kthx. Also for the amount that MM throws his vote around, there are players like mesk that he never votes against, without question or reasoning. <Insert some farfetched conspiracy theory here>



More or less my feelings toward SJ on d1, just interesting that MM is so happy to defend someone like this, but then scum read me for doing it. More contradictory gameplay



This is the second scum slip of the game. MM openly admits that Spruance is a citizen. There is no ambiguity here. He announces that a spruance lynch is a citizen lynch.



Spruance train is dying down, RLVGs is still half decent. Moves vote to SB but doesnt want to see SB hammered, even though day is ending. IMO reads as trying to buy cred with RLVG as he percieves him to be the stronger/better player to buddy with in a lynch between SB and RLVG. (This is restrospective, initially I had considered an allied defense, not buddying, but it still fits the narrative.)



Reasonably certain I have one of the highest post counts in the game, although hard to compete with someone spamming nooses. Unfounded reasoning to vote, instead is resorting to scraping for reactionary arguements.



This post emphasises the point that MM KNOWS how to talk about people he BELIEVES are town. The previous slip posts he out right said that players were specifically citizens and town. This time he claims "obviously town" which is more a belief rather than a scum knowledge comment.



Both myself and YZB make posts and appeals to get people to vote RLVG for his scum behaviour. Of course I get the vote from MM though. Either MM thinks im the easier lynch between yzb, or he is allied with yzb. Although I dont see that connection.



Literally cannot be reading the game at this point. Throwing shade around.



Calls me out for not voting. But then also votes me for voting. Which is it? Il tell you what it is. desperate fucking scum.

Without a shadow of a doubt, MM is scum.

agreed

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

"If im wrong, vote me" <- hey look, its scum tactics 101 right here. This is not the mod. This is forum mafia. Clearly youre having trouble making the conversion, and your poor scum plays are seeping out all over the place.

[Hybrid]

i am at p45 atm, will post more.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

His vote is still on GoatOntheCupboard. Look at the Vote Count.

Oh, I'm dumb... Goat is voting Yzb. Lol.

So, Goat, explain your vote please? Yzb is in the people I town read the most.

[yzb25]

His vote is still on GoatOntheCupboard. Look at the Vote Count.

You're reading it backwards. Goat is voting me.

hm?


agreed, she is like "i ll vote someone and go off"


don t think MM is town tho, from the begining i ve been suspicous of him


i agree, your lynch would be too easy since your slot has changed 3 times so we don t havea clue on you.
i also agree that mm me and spruance are noob players, i am suspicous of both spruance and mm still.


disagreed, i want to hear more things from mesk as well. she s been only voting and not speaking.


omg you feel embrased? omg omgom omg omgom gom g but u have a vagina!


Shut up, you are #1 scum suspicion on my eye, i changed my opinion against iced


agreed

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

pls read my response to Iced's ISO?

[yzb25]

i am at p45 atm, will post more.

Oh, I'm dumb... Goat is voting Yzb. Lol.

So, Goat, explain your vote please? Yzb is in the people I town read the most.

Looks like my previous post was completely pointless lol.

[Spruance]

Well this means that at least one town is voting marsh. SMH. Tbh it's probs mesk because he is a troll.

[Spruance]

So yeah the mafia are Iced, Stealthbomber, Hybrid/mesk (leaning towards hybrid)

@Mesk514

get back here and change your vote smh.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Well this means that at least one town is voting marsh. SMH. Tbh it's probs mesk because he is a troll.

I think the town voting me is Hybrid. He should unvote me... lol. Mesk is probably scum, but let's lynch Iced and SB16 instead of Mesk. He still could be, as you say, a troll.