S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[Frinckles]

not if they thought he would heal some one else like me.

ok fact 1 Light is Town
fact 2 light watched me NO ONE VISTED ME.
TOwn sheriff can out MAFIA.
I am alive WHY??????

Why would they take that risk though? Furthermore, why would MM take that risk?

Scum!MM would avoid killing me.
Town!MM would look like scum if I was dead.

[Mike]

Poppan would not carry the KP due to RB JAIL They would know this

Ignore this my paranoia is getting the better of me I am not reading the whole thing and jumping the gun.

[NotPaopan]

Mafia members A,B,C,D.

They send C to kill Auwt.

Mafia C gets ripped to shreds.

the one who carried the KP that is also who the lookout would see.

Ah i see. KP handler is decided by RNG upon starting the game. Okay okay thanks for the clarification.

[Frinckles]

Poppan would not carry the KP due to RB JAIL They would know this

Yeah, that's what I said. They would assign the kill to somebody else.

[Mike]

Why would they take that risk though? Furthermore, why would MM take that risk?

Scum!MM would avoid killing me.
Town!MM would look like scum if I was dead.

Then that would make MM not mafia.

[Mike]

Ah i see. KP handler is decided by RNG upon starting the game. Okay okay thanks for the clarification.

We do not know if it is RNG but most game I have host it is not RNG but buy majority vote in mafia team.

[Frinckles]

Why would they take that risk though? Furthermore, why would MM take that risk?

Scum!MM would avoid killing me.
Town!MM would look like scum if I was dead.

You could make the argument that maybe scum!MM would not "heal" me N1 so he could say "Yeah well, I wasn't too sure, did you see his last second votes??" But clearly that ship has sailed.

[Mike]

Ok I think Frinkles is town

My town core is Light JMW Frinkles PQRHack

[Frinckles]

Then that would make MM not mafia.

Exactly. I do not believe MM is Mafia. That opportunity has passed.

[NotPaopan]

So yeah. Investigative is not really fruitful for today. Only way to move forward is go for the lynch.

Oberon won't execute. Skipping day would be like day 1 all over again.

I'll repeat. Gikkle is a hard-resistance train to push. So here's my best bet. On the other hand, loldebite role features are pretty hard to trust. I'm currently assuming he RBed the vig.

[luona]

PQRnHack said they invited us for a reason but their plan failed because PaoPan didn't make it (I thought PaoPan chose to decline, but Mike rightly pointed out that probably isn't possible and he just got jailed).
PQR basically spent the entirety of the chat very paranoid that Mike and I were both scum and that were were trying to fool them, going to kill them, etc. I obviously can't copy paste it here but it seems very genuine and not fakeable, so I think PQR's town. I talked a little bit about how Frinckle's vote on Pao at the last second is unaligned so they can't be W/W, Mike agreed it was a good look but didn't think it was 100% never aligned. I went to sleep afterward and Mike posted some of their reads in that chat, but other than that there wasn't anything much.

ty for telling
how indepth did yall talk about frinckles vote?
and MIKE, what made you think it wasn't 100% never aligned?

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This is, of course, assuming scum were actively attempting to get a hammer in this world. The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't be is if Oberon is scum, but Oberon did not kill this hypothetical T!Paopan, so it is unlikely he is scum in this scenario.

A T/T Paopan/Me world relies on scum caring more about their appearances than getting a kill, so it depends which players are in the scum team, really.

This post is just to prove it's possible for me and Paopan to be T/T based on wagonomics. This isn't meant to be an in depth VCA. As for my own opinion, I find this whole scenario I suggested unlikely, as I think scum would have been able to justify voting out Paopan or me fairly easily, just based on the argument "I don't trust Oberon" or something like that. So them caring about their appearances in this case would require, most likely, a cowardly (for lack of a better word) scum team.

-.- i dont like how you wrote out a big big long post and then said u find it unlikely, it seems contradictory and a bit scummy

Luona was the prime candidate to be killed by Mafia and yet she wasn't. Likely because loldebite stopped the kill.

how am i a prime candidate..? and if im such a prime candidate why didnt u go on me..? im confused by ur thoughts a tiny bit :3

[Mike]

ty for telling
how indepth did yall talk about frinckles vote?
and MIKE, what made you think it wasn't 100% never aligned?


-.- i dont like how you wrote out a big big long post and then said u find it unlikely, it seems contradictory and a bit scummy


how am i a prime candidate..? and if im such a prime candidate why didnt u go on me..? im confused by ur thoughts a tiny bit :3

becuse of a previous post he made. outlineing a simular situation but with viggy ridding the town cred.

[Mike]

So yeah. Investigative is not really fruitful for today. Only way to move forward is go for the lynch.

Oberon won't execute. Skipping day would be like day 1 all over again.

I'll repeat. Gikkle is a hard-resistance train to push. So here's my best bet. On the other hand, loldebite role features are pretty hard to trust. I'm currently assuming he RBed the vig.

Lets wait find out about what loadbite says Then if that does not pan out we can consider your Thunderdome between you an Giggle.

[Frinckles]

ty for telling
how indepth did yall talk about frinckles vote?
and MIKE, what made you think it wasn't 100% never aligned?


-.- i dont like how you wrote out a big big long post and then said u find it unlikely, it seems contradictory and a bit scummy


how am i a prime candidate..? and if im such a prime candidate why didnt u go on me..? im confused by ur thoughts a tiny bit :3

You would be a prime candidate to kill because you keep MM alive and he keeps me alive, right?

I didn't go on you because you'd be the obvious choice to protect. You almost seem surprised. :P

[luona]

How the hell did you know my check and result?

Yes i checked like and he is TOWN well that was the feedback i got

i forgot to add this in my og catchup post,
but i agree that its weird how auwt knew what u would do and ur result.

[Frinckles]

Lets wait find out about what loadbite says Then if that does not pan out we can consider your Thunderdome between you an Giggle.

I like this. Smart strategy.

[luona]

You would be a prime candidate to kill because you keep MM alive and he keeps me alive, right?

I didn't go on you because you'd be the obvious choice to protect. You almost seem surprised. :P

ah yeah yeah
i am surprised tbh

[Mike]

This is why i take breaks from FM. Instead of watching a show i like I am sitting behind a computer waiting for the next post lol

[Mike]

scum has it easy they have all info dont even have to read all posts.

[Mike]

I like this. Smart strategy.

how do you feel about Louna? I am Null not scum or town reading her.

[Frinckles]

scum has it easy they have all info dont even have to read all posts.

Scum doesn't have it easy. They are missing a kill and we have a bunch of info that can be used throughout the game and a chain of protection roles that would incriminate people as soon as it fell apart.

Also, we might have roleblocked and confirmed one of them.

Also, if you're town you cleared Light.

[Frinckles]

how do you feel about Louna? I am Null not scum or town reading her.

I think she's kind of towny now. She posted the perfect switch as soon as the day started.

[Mike]

Scum doesn't have it easy. They are missing a kill and we have a bunch of info that can be used throughout the game and a chain of protection roles that would incriminate people as soon as it fell apart.

Also, we might have roleblocked and confirmed one of them.

Also, if you're town you cleared Light.

Rof good point. I am happy i got seriff at start of game i was upset. but haveing this info is helpfull. I am suprised mafia is not tryingto discredit me? What is mafia doing???

[Frinckles]

Rof good point. I am happy i got seriff at start of game i was upset. but haveing this info is helpfull. I am suprised mafia is not tryingto discredit me? What is mafia doing???

I mean, a green check doesn't hold as much weight as a red check. You could still be scum but when I went through your ISO, your D1 scumread on Light matches up with why you checked him so I have no worries. Plus, now I can wifom about who I'll protect. Will I protect the person saving my healer or will I protect the sheriff solving the game? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Mike]

I mean, a green check doesn't hold as much weight as a red check. You could still be scum but when I went through your ISO, your D1 scumread on Light matches up with why you checked him so I have no worries. Plus, now I can wifom about who I'll protect. Will I protect the person saving my healer or will I protect the sheriff solving the game? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I like this or BD protecting you all????

[Mike]

lol what is Lold bite gives us a town to lynch. and Lold bite was the mafia who attacked you and MM saved lol

[Mike]

I mean, a green check doesn't hold as much weight as a red check. You could still be scum but when I went through your ISO, your D1 scumread on Light matches up with why you checked him so I have no worries. Plus, now I can wifom about who I'll protect. Will I protect the person saving my healer or will I protect the sheriff solving the game? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Trust me I would love a red I thought I was going to get a red on light. and it was going to be a thunderdome between light I was looking forward to it but Host game me a Town read on him I was not happy Sorry light but I really thought you where mafia.

[Light_Yagami]

Trust me I would love a red I thought I was going to get a red on light. and it was going to be a thunderdome between light I was looking forward to it but Host game me a Town read on him I was not happy Sorry light but I really thought you where mafia.

Is What It Is Man.. Maybe Next Time I Say Im Town.. Youll Have A Little Faith..

With That Imma Put My Vote Here For Now...

-vote Loldebite

[Mike]

@Light_yagani give us some reads I know you are town

[Light_Yagami]

And Yes This Is A Pressure Vote.. To Get Information From The Slot.. Since They Havent Said Anything About Who That RBd.. And Thats Kinda Sus..

So @Loldebite You Happen To Be...

[Light_Yagami]

@Light_yagani give us some reads I know you are town

U Played With Me For How Long? And You Still Cant At Me Correctly..lol

Loldebite I Feel A Strong Scum Inclination..

Also luona I Have A Slight Scum Lean.. Their Thought Process Feels Genuine But Also Feels Slightly Deceptive..

[Mike]

And Yes This Is A Pressure Vote.. To Get Information From The Slot.. Since They Havent Said Anything About Who That RBd.. And Thats Kinda Sus..

So @Loldebite You Happen To Be...

one vote is not pressure lol

[Light_Yagami]

one vote is not pressure lol

Fair..

[Mike]

U Played With Me For How Long? And You Still Cant At Me Correctly..lol

Loldebite I Feel A Strong Scum Inclination..

Also luona I Have A Slight Scum Lean.. Their Thought Process Feels Genuine But Also Feels Slightly Deceptive..

Frinkles pointed out she outed he BD swaps at start of day normaly mafia Bd wait on it. and it was a smart swap for town.

[Mike]

Frinkles pointed out she outed he BD swaps at start of day normaly mafia Bd wait on it. and it was a smart swap for town.

Awut and mayor keep voteing togather.

[Mike]

Gikkle (3 [L-5]):
Auwt, NotPaopan (Mayor)
NotPaopan (2 [L-6]):
jmw, Marshmallow Marshall
Loldebite (1 [L-7]):
Light_Yagami

[Mike]

NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144

Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)

Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike

PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona

[Mike]

so does JMW and MM but I am town reading JMW

[Light_Yagami]

Gikkle (3 [L-5]):
Auwt, NotPaopan (Mayor)
NotPaopan (2 [L-6]):
jmw, Marshmallow Marshall
Loldebite (1 [L-7]):
Light_Yagami

Keep In Mind I Voted Loldebite First Yesterday As Well.. Hence Ive Suspected Him Now For 2 Days.. Also Him Not Being Forth Coming In His Block Has Me Worried Even More About The Slot.. Also In Regard To Luona Is Just A Hunch Also.. Being Able To Confirm The Actual BD Targets Would Be Nice If You Got Hey You Were On A Bus Last Night Feed Back So PPL Could Confirm The Bussing.. So Far We Can Only Take Luona Word On It.. Hence It Makes Me Paranode About The Slot.. Also I Have Noticed As Wll That Auwt And PaoPan Have Been Voting Together Rather Consistently..

[Light_Yagami]

[NotPaopan]

Oh boy. Oberon was supposed to break the cycle.

100% of my games consist of me being in a Thunderdome with someone on day 2.

But yeah yeah, I have a 100% win rate on day 2. Break it nerds

[Frinckles]

Oh boy. Oberon was supposed to break the cycle.

100% of my games consist of me being in a Thunderdome with someone on day 2.

But yeah yeah, I have a 100% win rate on day 2. Break it nerds

You tell em'.

[Mike]

Oh boy. Oberon was supposed to break the cycle.

100% of my games consist of me being in a Thunderdome with someone on day 2.

But yeah yeah, I have a 100% win rate on day 2. Break it nerds

-vote NotPaopan

Break that nerd. you not going to get your mafia win this time.

[Mike]

NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144

Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)

Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike

PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona

Thios is bothering me if auwt is mayors parter who is the other 4?????

-unvote

[Mike]

NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144

Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)

Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike

PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona

Thios is bothering me if auwt is mayors parter who is the other 4?????

-unvote

is it this simple????

[Mike]

From my PoV

NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144

Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)

Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike

PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona

[Mike]

From my PoV

NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144

Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)

Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike

PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona

so If my scum reads are correct it would havbe to be Loldbite or oliverz to be the 4th no way Gikkle is teamed with them.

[Mike]

so If my scum reads are correct it would havbe to be Loldbite or oliverz to be the 4th no way Gikkle is teamed with them.

if they are wrong means I have MAfia in my town reads. Meaning I am pocketed. I know it is not light.

[Mike]

so If my scum reads are correct it would havbe to be Loldbite or oliverz to be the 4th no way Gikkle is teamed with them.

but gikkle is more scummy than town. Am I wrong on Auwt , Mayor amd Oberon????

[Mike]

some one inerject please this is starting to mind fuck me