S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

[MartinGG99]

What are all the possible reasons there wasn't a scum night kill?

Can the DH be roleblocked? What about this locksmith role?

Like I said recently, someone (one of two people I tried to busdriver last night) had their house locked up and therefore I could not do the busdriver action.


I'm on post #818 here for those wondering if I'm still catching up.

[Frinckles]

dh probably just didn't want to kill a triad on accident.

[MartinGG99]

@Auwt

If a Switcher tries to switch roles with a player who has their house locked down

will the Switcher not be able to do that?

[Renegade]

@MartinGG99 who did you bus? Since you already said it didn't go through because someone was locked.

[yzb25]

*sends friend request*

@yzb ill answer you in a min the website doesn't wanna load on my laptop

No worries. Just reply when you can.

[MartinGG99]

There is a decent potential that player who's locked down is the Dragon Head.

Would you mind revealing the 2 players you targeted?

I kinda do want to reveal but I want to think about it a bit more after my catch-up just to make sure it isn't a foolish idea.

[bakermir]

dh probably just didn't want to kill a triad on accident.

Ay Tone, that's why DH is pseudo vigi

[MartinGG99]

Important information for everyone.
In order not to break the game,

If a Scientist visits someone on the night they become Switcher (for the first time), the night feedback would look as the following :
"Your target has been Switcher once"

MEANING, that the action of swapping role is visible throughout the OoO, but the roles only change at the last position of it.
Therefore, every Investigative role could eventually spot a move from a Switcher.

The same goes for the Corrupted Assessor (their action is visible BEFORE they actually act).

Noted.

[Renegade]

I actually agree with some of this but I’d like to hear your reasoning behind it. Do you think they were both justified in their arguments against each other?

I am basing it on tone. Both are asking the right questions IMO.

[Frinckles]

well, now the tension has been painfully beaten to death with a shovel, I'd like a response to the questions I asked in my vote post. I've been extremely patient.

Friends list shitposting is what it is. What i gleaned from it was how inquisitive people were about it yesterday and frankly even my top townreads scumread it for some reason lol

Oberon is a [redacted] and i have no problem with him being escorted off the premises. I cannot comprehend what was going through his head.

The triads (and really all scum) probably weren't on his train because they didn't need to be.

What trains did you mean in the last part?

Also

-vote dark magician

[Frinckles]

Now here's some food for thought.

Believe me. I am scientist.

If DM was switcher and hopped into a town slot, why would he just out who the switcher is now? Did he start off today like that? No.

So he is now the switcher or switched into triad. In this way I'm handing you scum. I just dont know what color his role card is.

[Frinckles]

Why wouldnt* above btw

[MartinGG99]

Alright. So I've caught up.

I will refrain from announcing who I tried to busdriver on n1 until Auwt answers my question, as that will determine whether I share just one person I targeted or both of them.

I hope this is the smart move

[bakermir]

Alright. So I've caught up.

I will refrain from announcing who I tried to busdriver on n1 until Auwt answers my question, as that will determine whether I share just one person I targeted or both of them.

I hope this is the smart move

it is the smart move as long as you tell us who did you visit

[MartinGG99]

I also think I need to raise the bar on who I'm town reading a bit /// delve into a bit of re-evaluation

After doing a short personal gun-to-head exercise my reads somehow found exactly 5 slots left for scum...in a game where there's 5 scum lol.

And I really doubt I've found all 5 scum.

[MartinGG99]

it is the smart move as long as you tell us who did you visit

Chance are I probably will reveal both at some point anyways.

The question is just when, how, and why......

[MartinGG99]

Dark Magician (3 [L-4]):
Unknown1234, naz, Frinckles
FrostByte (1 [L-6]):
Helz
Frinckles (3 [L-4]):
yzb25, bakermir, Dark Magician


lovely VC btw

[Frinckles]

I also think I need to raise the bar on who I'm town reading a bit /// delve into a bit of re-evaluation

After doing a short personal gun-to-head exercise my reads somehow found exactly 5 slots left for scum...in a game where there's 5 scum lol.

And I really doubt I've found all 5 scum.

I kind of need to know who you bussed. btw

[Frinckles]

Ay Tone, that's why DH is pseudo vigi

why are you voting me btw?

[Frinckles]

I mean admittedly, I have you marked as scum but I just wanted to know why :3

[bakermir]

I mean admittedly, I have you marked as scum but I just wanted to know why :3

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...archid=3337227

[Frinckles]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...archid=3337227

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

[FrostByte]

I kind of need to know who you bussed. btw

I think he said the bussing didn't work though

[MartinGG99]

I kind of need to know who you bussed. btw

I never got to bussing, one of the people I tried to bus had their house locked down and I got feedback from that.

I didn't target DM at all so your claim could be true for all I know.

[Auwt]

@Auwt

If a Switcher tries to switch roles with a player who has their house locked down

will the Switcher not be able to do that?

No, the Switcher action of changing role happen at the last position of OoO, therefore the locking action (#1 OoO) will prevent it. And therefore nothing will happen

[MartinGG99]

aka

a Locksmith or Moulder exists and they blocked my bus action last night because I targeted someone who had a locked house

[Frinckles]

I never got to bussing, one of the people I tried to bus had their house locked down and I got feedback from that.

I didn't target DM at all so your claim could be true for all I know.

okedokey.

[MartinGG99]

No, the Switcher action of changing role happen at the last position of OoO, therefore the locking action (#1 OoO) will prevent it. And therefore nothing will happen

Okay.

I tried to bus myself and Frinckles last night.

Meaning there's a slight chance of:

-Operator fucked us over
-If DH did attack, they attacked one of us
-Switcher did try to switch last night, but hit a locked house

etc etc etc


I'm gonna subscribe to occams razor and say the only g00fy thing that happened was DH hitting a locked house, and that locked house may have been mine.

[MartinGG99]

I'm gonna subscribe to occams razor and say the only g00fy thing that happened was DH hitting a locked house, and that locked house may have been mine.

It would be interesting to know if DM is switcher and he tried to switch into a locked house on n1 lol

[bakermir]

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

uh oh

it was my attempt at linking to my ISO

meh

[MartinGG99]

uh oh

it was my attempt at linking to my ISO

meh

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...st&showposts=1

That is your ISO link.

You get it by finding the page for everyone's post count in a thread, and copying the link for the associated post count number.

Don't click on the number and copy the webpage you come to, though.

[Frinckles]

Okay.

I tried to bus myself and Frinckles last night.

Meaning there's a slight chance of:

-Operator fucked us over
-If DH did attack, they attacked one of us
-Switcher did try to switch last night, but hit a locked house

etc etc etc


I'm gonna subscribe to occams razor and say the only g00fy thing that happened was DH hitting a locked house, and that locked house may have been mine.

Hm. Assuming you aren't Operator:

That means that we likely have a locksmith who believes I'm telling the truth if I was locked.

The alternative of moulder would mean that they prevented DH from hitting a hardclaimed town PR. Smart DH play means you hit the correct targets, so that probably also explains why I'm alive. A moulder would be an absolute moron to do that.

[MartinGG99]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...st&showposts=1

That is your ISO link.

You get it by finding the page for everyone's post count in a thread, and copying the link for the associated post count number.

Don't click on the number and copy the webpage you come to, though.

Like instead of this:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...st&showposts=1

its this

Posts: 36

[Frinckles]

It would be interesting to know if DM is switcher and he tried to switch into a locked house on n1 lol

That would be hilarious but I doubt it.

[Frinckles]

Okay so a list of things we can reasonably deduce:

-We have a locksmith
-Dragon head got rekt
-Corrupted Assessor probably also got rekt
-DM is/was a switcher

[bakermir]

Okay.

I tried to bus myself and Frinckles last night.

Meaning there's a slight chance of:

-Operator fucked us over
-If DH did attack, they attacked one of us
-Switcher did try to switch last night, but hit a locked house

etc etc etc


I'm gonna subscribe to occams razor and say the only g00fy thing that happened was DH hitting a locked house, and that locked house may have been mine.

ok i came into d2 sober and there was nothing but goofy read lists being posted and goofy frostbyte vs helz going on and now when I am no longer sober, martian drops some xeno stuff..

[bakermir]

i'm lost rn i need to reevaluate this i think

[Frinckles]

But as to why DH would target me.. a likely person to be bussed with a BD claim still alive would mean that DH thinks Martin is actually an operator and wouldn't bus me.

Otherwise the DH is just yolo killing. (All of this is besides the fact that there's a likely locksmith)

[Frinckles]

Yeah DH probably thought that Martin was fakeclaiming to push an oberon lynch. Jesus lol

[Frinckles]

Funny game

[naz]

Now here's some food for thought.

Believe me. I am scientist.

If DM was switcher and hopped into a town slot, why would he just out who the switcher is now? Did he start off today like that? No.

So he is now the switcher or switched into triad. In this way I'm handing you scum. I just dont know what color his role card is.

dark magician visited deathworlds last night

[Unknown1234]

wtf is happening

[Frinckles]

dark magician visited deathworlds last night

Are you claiming lookout or he said this and I missed it?

[Frinckles]

wtf is happening

just sit back while I solve

[Unknown1234]

Despite Frinckles being very scummy to be in the first day, I am choosing to believe his claim right now and assuming that
1.) DM was switcher and took a triad role, and did not want to reveal in fear of being outed himself.
2.) He became switcher and did not reveal because he was hoping nobody would know.

Only reason I see Frinckles lying about this is if he became Switcher. There doesn't appear to be a lot of plausibility around this.

[FrostByte]

dark magician visited deathworlds last night

If that's true then deathworlds is probably switcher today

[bakermir]

holy shit why everyone is so scummy LMAO

[FrostByte]

Despite Frinckles being very scummy to be in the first day, I am choosing to believe his claim right now and assuming that
1.) DM was switcher and took a triad role, and did not want to reveal in fear of being outed himself.
2.) He became switcher and did not reveal because he was hoping nobody would know.

Only reason I see Frinckles lying about this is if he became Switcher. There doesn't appear to be a lot of plausibility around this.

And that's looking even less likely with the claim that naz just made

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY TPR CLAIMS

[FrostByte]

holy shit why everyone is so scummy LMAO

Go home, Baker, you're drunk

[MartinGG99]

Tbh

I don't understand why Frinckles is heavily suggesting *he* would be the one who had a locked house without a thought of me having the locked house.

A large part of the thread was talking about how BD should do nothing, on D1.

Imo I would imagine from a DH perspective there would be a decent chance that a hard-claim busdriver (on arguably towny contexts) would be vulnerable to a kill.

However, Frinckles never participated in discussion directly about "what the bus driver should do"

I'm wondering if DH and Frinckles had different ideas about what the busdriver should do.

kinda thinking openly here; rambling on