Night 4

[Oberyn]

Awesome day guys. Didn't get to lynch the cult leader, but we evened up the mafia. Now, a few things will need to be discussed, one being how we'll help Robb in d5.

So, first off, any night actions to report?

I noticed a few missing claims, did you pick up any stealth claims that I missed, specifically the jailed and annoyed from jester claims.

What do you think about the Consigs last will, is there any credibility from this scum? How will the other PRs react? Can we take advantage of this somehow?

Who do we target and why and with who? I'll post my thoughts on this after I've heard all your opinions. And I WANT those opinions, don't just say whoever.

I think you guys are doing a fine job at blending in the day chats, I haven't picked anything up on either of you that would suggest that you are scummy. So Congrats on that front.

Also, I'm glad that I managed to steer the discussion away from Robb while I had the chance. Thankfully Robb didn't have to claim his night actions. I was thinking of claiming roleblocked but that would look really bad since I was roleblocked n1 and jailed n2 and revealed as a cit. So, we'll have to plan that out before Robb has to improvise.

[Tywin]

For some reason, Catelyn zoomed in on me as the cult leader (she pmed the GM asking whether masons could smite Dracula, i.e. me). Dunno where that came from. Hopefully she does smite me (knowing that the interceptor wouldn't really care about the masons) and I will be cleared as a cult.

Personally Gregor does seem like a possible cult leader candidate, and it would be in the interest of the mafia to actually get the cult leader. I believe it's credible at this point. This thought process should definitely be at least considered by the other PRs, at least a few should pick them and if he is a cit investigation pairing then it really will stir up a clusterstorm. There are other implications though, that the Nosferatu have been infiltrated by the cult. In that case we are at low odds here, the cult at this point has the power/intel of the Nosferatu at well, which include an actual consig gathering info for 3 nights. I would say, don't hesitate to jump onto Gregor, but don't be too pushy in applying the pressure.

As you are well aware, I killed Renly last night through trapping and was not spotted. There was no jailed claim (at least as I remember) or jester claim at all, which leads me to believe the jailor and jailee agreed to keep quiet. I also do not believe there is a jester in the game, personally, although he could have decided not to annoy last night.

I would consider claiming roleblocked, but there was more attention on me yesterday... I would suggest trying your best to covertly keep the lynch trains centered on Gregor or Yoren or the others that were pinpointed during the day.

I am not overly concerned about myself. There is a good side to my investigation pairing, as I said before, after the whole Davos fiasco Joffrey should be reluctant to call me out if he investigates me, considering the likeliness that I might be Dr. Hellsing. I feel I've played with that kind of major PR setup. If heat is brought onto me, I will claim that I lurked the first few days to keep the mafia off me, and have become active to not look like a lurking town PR. I am thinking about claiming serf, but if Joffrey did invest me he will call me out and then I will certainly be dead. Thoughts?

I would consider trapping Joffrey at this point, I don't think there is a lookout in this game. We probably need to get a bit more aggressive with the interceptor role, it's meant as a deterrent but we've used it so far as more of a passive defender. Killing for that extra KPN will work to incite bigger chaos among the town. As it is, Joffrey is pretty much confirmed investigator and at most a doctor will look at him. I would be wary of a eucharist along with a heal though, so I would like to hear your thoughts. Maybe Ser Davos.

For killing, I would look at Melisandre or Aemon for more "safe kills", and if we get daring we can even target Illyn or Davos. There shouldn't be more than one or two docs, and they certainly cannot defend all of the claimed town roles out there, if we take a gambit on a major town PR then it can really possibly pay off majorly.

[Tywin]

Where is everyone? Is Robb in jail?

[Robb]

FUCKING FUCK
I HAD A BRILLIANT CODE THAT WOULD HAVE LET ME GO TOTAL FYODOR
BUT JACK DOESNT WANT TO USE CIPHERS OF THAT VARIETY

[/raeg]

anyway, i need a new way to claim.

I think you should trap me. There is a high chance of an investigative role visiting me tonight, as there are many people who find Joffrey scummy.

Davos didn't make a post all day, he MIGHT be a safe kill for today, and if we could, that would be really good.

I'm going to claim Fiddler, but I'm not sure how at this point.
I was going to use my code to try to hide my blocks until someone claimed to have blocked them, at which I could be like SCUM, because they obviously are, why would they lie anyway

I was originally going to claim that I roleblocked Mr. Oberyn, but then you claimed nothing happened. Maybe Tywin? Or witched maybe, but that's already a controversial topic.

(Sorry, Wednesday is my 15-hour day)

[Tywin]

FUCKING FUCK
I HAD A BRILLIANT CODE THAT WOULD HAVE LET ME GO TOTAL FYODOR
BUT JACK DOESNT WANT TO USE CIPHERS OF THAT VARIETY

[/raeg]

anyway, i need a new way to claim.

I think you should trap me. There is a high chance of an investigative role visiting me tonight, as there are many people who find Joffrey scummy.

Davos didn't make a post all day, he MIGHT be a safe kill for today, and if we could, that would be really good.

I'm going to claim Fiddler, but I'm not sure how at this point.
I was going to use my code to try to hide my blocks until someone claimed to have blocked them, at which I could be like SCUM, because they obviously are, why would they lie anyway

I was originally going to claim that I roleblocked Mr. Oberyn, but then you claimed nothing happened. Maybe Tywin? Or witched maybe, but that's already a controversial topic.

(Sorry, Wednesday is my 15-hour day)

But in that way, there might be TOO MANY roles who want to visit you tonight.

Joffrey seems to be confirmed invest at this point, and I doubt there is a lookout so the only visitor seems to be the hypothetical doctor.

Then again, the bishop might be looking to perform a eucharist on him 0.0

[Oberyn]

I'm wondering what roles would visit Robb tonight.. I doubt healing roles would, Masons have their hands full with the other PRs, Investigator has already, Vig knows that there has been multiple rb claims. Jailor didn't jail him, so he is out of the picture.

The only role that I would think would visit Robb is the "REAL Escort". That causes a problem. I'm guessing that the interceptor does not cancel the night action of the first person visited since the bus driving took place. So putting the interceptor on Robb could = no kill from us and the escort dying to interceptor. Escorts last will will most likely contain all her visitations so that blows Robb out into the open, which is a bad idea.

[Tywin]

Who do you suggest, then?

[Oberyn]

I'm thinking of sending you for the regular kill and sending Robb to block someone that looks scummy. The more believable Robbs claim can be, the better.

I can tell you now that I've identified another mafia from Bronns team. But we need to take out the Cult first, still looking into the Gregor situation.

And having the Red Mafia infiltrated by the cult means the cult might be controlling their actions depending on their roles.

[Tywin]

Who is this other mafia? Is it Petyr?

[Oberyn]

I'm going over someones post to accumulate the evidence. Be back with it soon.

[Oberyn]

Here are a few claims that should be in all our notes:

Roleblock claims:
n1: Oberyn, Ser Loras, Melisandre
n2: Aemon, Yoren
n3: Daenerys,

Witched claims:
n1: Bronn, Rodrik?
n2: ?
n3: ?

Annoyed by jester:
n1: ?
n2: Janos (who was switched with Bronn by Bus Driver)
n3: ?

Jailed claims:
n1: Joffrey
n2: Oberyn
n3: ?

Smited claims:
n1: Joffrey
n2: Sandor
n3: Ser Loras

Enforced (info provided by Catelyn)
n1: Khal Drogo
n2: Yoren
n3: ?

Bussed claims:
n1: Janos & Daenerys
n2: Janos & Bronn
n3: Janos & Catelyn

Investigations results:
Joffrey-
n1: jailed
n2: Davos = Jailor
n3: Robb = consort/escort/Veteran/Student

Bronn-
all investigation results are invalid (he most likely lied)

Current Claims: "=" means confirmed, ":" means not confirmed
Catelyn = Mason
Joffrey = Investigator
Daenerys : claims cit
Oberyn : Cit outted by Jailor
Robb = investigation result from Joffrey (consort/escort/Veteran/Student)
Samwell : claims cit
Ser Davos = Jailor
Ser Gregor : Does not confirm nor deny Bronns invest results on him (cit/GF/Cult Leader/Jester)
Yoren : Claims neutral (strong link to Bronn)

Hidden scum:
Janos : he's the only one to claim that a jester visited him, coincidence that the jester targeted Bronn?, he claimed bus driven after Bronn had d3,
then read his posts from d3 and d4,
d3: he interrogates Bronn and Joffrey about the dual investigator claims, adding most of the pressure on Joffrey.
d4: reply 115, attacks both Joffrey and Bronn but votes Joffrey... then read reply 143, still tying to divert from Bronn

He tried to defend Bronn without it looking like a defense by also attacking Bronn in the same posts. But he clearly wanted to lynch Joffrey or someone else but admitted defeat.


Now, what to do with this information? We don't want to kill off the mafia too quickly, at least not until the cult leader dies. Bronn was not culted either, so I'm not sure what member of theirs is.

[Oberyn]

Hmmm... I still considering cutting our losses and risk Robb's life instead of playing it safe. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

[Tywin]

Going to sleep, will speak more tomorrow.

I think that we should leave Janos alone for tonight.

[Tywin]

Hmmm... I still considering cutting our losses and risk Robb's life instead of playing it safe. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

What do you mean? Like letting Robb to die?

In my opinion we should take a look at the pressure if Robb gets to about L-8. If the pressure looks very strong and a lynch appears inevitable, burn the ships and lynch him. If it looks insubstantial in evidence, try to gently divert toward the witching claims, which should be a far stronger lynch target for the town in hard evidence.

Every mafia member is important. We have to protect him.

[Tywin]

Anyway after that, I'm out. See y'all. GL.

[Oberyn]

I also may have found the other mason, but I don't think it would be wise to tell any of you. I can direct your actions elsewhere if I see the need.

What I meant about risking Robb is by letting him do the kill and use you to trap someone. But I do think that an escort would reveal him if the kills doesn't go though and he gets roleblocked.

[Robb]

I think I am under much more suspicion, so I should keep myself quiet until I can claim Fiddler non-scummily.

I will claim that I blocked Ser Loras N1, Aemon N2, and Tywin N3, no use in lying about the first 2, and you are really the only one that I can turn to at this point.

I'm hoping to make a trust network with the town and be our awesome "confirmed escort" that will lead the town to victory...or not.

We need to prioritize cult over anyone now. They are getting way too big. Gregor will be lynched tomorrow, so we are *mostly* safe, but if you have an idea of any cult member, we need to kill them tonight.

[Tywin]

That does make sense although I am loath of the chance to have another KPN. But if sending me to kill creates a good alibi for you I am all for it.

[Tywin]

That does make sense although I am loath of the chance to have another KPN. But if sending me to kill creates a good alibi for you I am all for it.

I mean to lose a possible KPN

[Oberyn]

So here is what I'm thinking right now, we know/think the cult have gained control over at least 1 member from red team. The cults biggest threat is the masons. Red team now has to decide who is doing their kill, the culted guy or the non culted guy. Either way, they'll only have 1 action they can use freely. What stops them from agreeing and trying to kill or block or do whatever to Catelyn?

We also don't know what other roles have been culted, cult may have a way to control both actions. The lack of information of the witches actions is concerning.

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Also, concerning Robb's 3rd night action. I think having Tywin claim roleblock late might raise a few eyebrows and attract attention. Especially with those already having an eye on him. I think the best way to cover up Robb's night action is to claim it on someone who we believe is suspicious, hopefully that person will flip scum and people won't believe that person denying the claim.

Also because we are a man down, people know we only have 2 actions and it is already confirmed that the interceptor did his job n3 and there was 1 less roleblock claim. Making it already easier to guess what roles are in our team.

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Another thing to note, we know for a fact that Ser Loras and I were roleblocked n1. If there is no 3rd roleblocker, that makes Melisandre a liar. I still haven't been able to pin what role she is but we know she isn't town.

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Now, Ser Davos the jailor didn't post a single time day 4, I don't know if he had time to jail someone. But if he did, I'd place my bet that Yoren is jailed tonight. As for the Vig, it wouldn't surprise me if he shoots Yoren.

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As for Joffrey... something is off about him. He didn't attack Bronn from when Bronn claimed invest. I almost avoided that topic, he was also way to quick to hammer Bronn mid-day. I had told everyone to wait, the jailer didn't even have time to post as mentioned before and Rodrik didn't have time to defend himself. Also, Joffrey has an easy cover story that is true for his n1 invest results. I'm starting to consider that Joffrey is either another consig or the GF using Bronn's results. It wouldn't surprise me if Joffrey only has 1 more day of results for us if any. Meaning that Bronn checked the jailer n1, Robb n2.

Having 2 consigs on 1 team would be an interesting twist that the GMs might have thrown into this game. One thing is for sure, Joffrey is no wheres near a confirmed invest that he wants to be. If anything, he is culted. I'm hoping that the masons smite him tonight.

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To conclude... I think that if we trap Yoren, we might get a shot at the Vig. GMs have informed me that the jailor does not count for visitation for calculating if the trapper is seen or not.

[Oberyn]

Also, there is a chance that the cult will try to recruit Robb tonight, but because the Cult leader has a vest, we wouldn't be able to stop him with the interceptor. So.. I have to consider what is best for us in the future as a mafia team as well. I hope that Robb remains cult-free but I'll be keeping an eye on him. His lack of input tonight on himself is disturbing.

[Tywin]

!!! That's interesting.

I somehow think Joffrey is invest anyway... the chance of town not having an invest at all is astronomically low, and the mafia gave up their consig. Although if they did have two consigs then it could be a gambit to put Joffrey in as the town investigator... Not sure at this point.

In any case I believe that the trapper would be a more useful role to use instead of the consort when we still don't have clear idea of roles yet.

[Oberyn]

Jon seems to be actively participating in day chat and has yet to claim something. Both Gregor and Samwell started to vote for him during the day.. I'm wondering if Jon may be a hidden PR.

With all the other PR claims out there, I doubt any protective roles will be on him too.

So our night actions currently look like this:

Tywin trap Yoren
Robb kill Jon

Now, this also makes Robb job at claiming Escort harder. Tywin, can you claim roleblocked tomorrow?

I'll try to focus the discussion on Joffrey if the masons didn't smite him.
Also Robb, for your night 3 roleblock claim, claim that you roleblocked Melisandre because you didn't think she was roleblocked n1. I think there is a good chance that she'll flip scum so the lack of the roleblock claim won't look so bad.


I'll be waiting to hear your final words on this plan and then post it in the official night actions thread.

[Robb]

That looks good. Melisandre is good, but she can just very easily deny it.
I was going to say, I was going to claimed to have roleblocked Tywin tonight.

Uh...Yoren is also a good lookout target for tonight, he'll be spotted.

[Oberyn]

I don't think that there is a lookout.

Town PRs:
Bishop (Mason Enforcer)
Paladin (Mason "Clubber")
Dr. Adolf von Helsing (Vigilante)
Jailer - jailed Joffrey n1, me n2
*Escort?
*Investigator? = Joffrey?
Random Town
Random Town

I'm guessing a doctor and something.

But besides, why would the lookout watch Yoren? And if the lookout does target Yoren, we kill the Lookout.

[Oberyn]

That looks good. Melisandre is good, but she can just very easily deny it.

Of course she can deny it.. but so can everyone. Melisandre would just be less credible.

[Oberyn]

And don't forget... if you can avoid claiming your night actions, you won't have to deal with Melisandre.

Like I said, I'll be pressuring Joffrey tomorrow as a potentially culted invest. And if Gregor and Yoren are still alive, I'll be bouncing between the 3 of them.

[Robb]

I think that we should lead a lynch on Gregor tomorrow if we can. Yoren is already scummy enough, and if Joffrey defends Gregor, we get him next.

[Oberyn]

All depends how the town reacts. If that is possible, I'm leaning that way myself, but if not I have a few backup cadidates that need pressuring. Either way, I need to discredit Joffrey as much as I can without looking bad to nullify his future investigations. I might get lucky and guessed correctly that he is culted and have the masons take care of him for us.

[Tywin]

Looks good. I'll claim roleblocked tmrrw.

Post in the night actions so we don't have the same fiasco again.

[Oberyn]

Just on a side note, if Jon survives the night and there is a missing kill, Tywin don't claim roleblocked.

[Robb]

If there is a missing kill, who do you think is the most likely to be red mafia?
I can claim Fiddler if they are in fact scum.

[Oberyn]

No don't do that.. If we guess right then that mafia would know that you are lying... which means that cult would know as well. That would make to #1 target for cult and we don't want that.