Night 3

[Oberyn]

Children, Mommy's home! Why were the chores not done last night? Here I am roting in jail and am informed by the GM that the night will be extended by a full hour because you guys hadn't sent off your night actions. Does Mommy have to do everything? And what is this not taking notes in this FM Eddard! Were you too busy playing mfm? I'm almost glad you died, a person with no notes has no honor. And whose idea was it to waste our trapper on me? I'm undectable, so what if someone checks me. You should have concentrated him on one of you to prevent cultings or death.

So, yes, I was roleblocked n1 and I was jailed n2. We already know the jailors Id so I don't think it is neccessary for me to post the entire chat to find that out. The less you know about that chat the lesser chance you'll slip up during the day.

If there is a graverobber, he'll be taking Eddards ability tonight. So his power might not be a total loss.

Now lets get down to tonights agenda:
0- Actions that have happened to us so far
1- I want your thoughts on Bronn's role
2- I want your thoughts on Yorens role.
3- Possibility of culted jailor
3b- how to deal with the jailor from now on
4- 2nd mason identity
5- what to do with Joffrey and what alignment do we think he is
6- what to do with strong possibility of town Jaime
7- how many roleblockers are in play?
8- what roles do you think red mafia have
9- who do you think we should kill and why
10- who should do the kill and why
11- who should our other PR target and why
12- possible / confirmed random roles
13- other

[Tywin]

tbh The way they are both playing, I believe both Bronn and Joffrey are investigator. It seems very implausibly but I can't really believe that one is the consigliere. If one is the consig though, I would lean toward it being Bronn.

Yoren... I feel like he's a PR. Anything beyond that I can't say.

The jailor being culted is very unlikely in my opinion. In any case the masons will likely smite him tonight. I think him not revealing the disguiser check was more of him thinking that it was good only for his first post and because he thought the thread title was enough. The jailor, well, has shown that he is completely retarded and I don't think he will be a major threat at this point. In any case, he should be pretty scared to execute because his identity has been outed and he doesn't want to be like Auckmid.

IMO the second mason identity really doesn't matter to us and there isn't a lot anyway. I would lean toward Catelyn and a quiet person, in fact Cersei might be paladin with Catelyn doing a major WIFOM scheme. It's possible.

Joffrey: not sure what to do. Probably just leave him alive and confusing the town becuz he's gonna have some lookout/protect anyway.

I don't have very many notes on Jaime. I'm leaning toward him being town PR, but he could be serf. I could trap him.

I'd say 2 roleblockers in play. The chance of double seductress/escort is low.

Red mafia probably has a framer, a possible consig, ... now that I think about it a second seductress does seem more likely to me, so perhaps 3 roleblockers.

I'll take some time to think about who we should kill. I'm just posting this now to get it out there.

Be nice to Eddard And sorry about the whole night action thingie, I think we all expected each other to do it instead, and I had to help out at a debate tournament, so uhh *shrug*

At least I'm under the radar at this point, hopefully my posts today kept some of the town PRs off my back. tbh the whole jailor/Joffrey thingie today really worked in our favor, it cast off a lot of attention especially for me, because invests won't want the same kind of fiasco again.

[Tywin]

Now that I think about it, Jon could be PR doing some major WIFOMing.

[Robb]

Now lets get down to tonights agenda:
0- Actions that have happened to us so far

Nothing at all.

1- I want your thoughts on Bronn's role.

I think he is red mafia of some sort.

2- I want your thoughts on Yorens role.

I believe that he is stealth claiming witch

3- Possibility of culted jailor

Don't think he's cutled YET. The Bishop, if not stupid, will give him a Eucharist.


3b- how to deal with the jailor from now on'

kill him tomorrow i believe XD

4- 2nd mason identity

unknown

5- what to do with Joffrey and what alignment do we think he is

i believe red mafia

6- what to do with strong possibility of town Jaime

probably serf, he hasn't contributed

7- how many roleblockers are in play?

At least 2.

8- what roles do you think red mafia have

grave robber, consig, interceptor?

9- who do you think we should kill and why

Bronn. Less likely chance of there being detection on him now.

10- who should do the kill and why

Oberyn should, methinks. Immune to detection, and both of us have useful abilities

11- who should our other PR target and why

I think we should trap Joffrey. I think multiple people won't visit him.

12- possible / confirmed random roles

merp

13- other

lol i dunneven know

[Oberyn]

I can't do the kill until one of you 2 die.

[Robb]

Ah.

I have no idea who to roleblock, actually

Have me listed as the killer until I find a good reason

[Tywin]

imo it would be better to send Robb. Any chance of 2 kills tonight would be good, and the missing roleblock would be confusing for town. It would be risky to have him rb any of the claimed PRs becuz of lookout at this point.

[Tywin]

Oberyn I leave the kill target to you. The trap target should be like Aemon/Joffrey/Melisandre or something.

[Oberyn]

Well, I agree about sending Robb at this point. Town roles look like this for now:

Bishop (Mason Enforcer)
Paladin (Mason "Clubber") = Catelyn
Dr. Adolf von Helsing (Vigilante)
Jailer - jailed Joffrey n1, me n2 = Davos
*Bus Driver - bussed Darnerys & Janos n1, Janos and Bronn n2,
*Escort?
*Investigator?
Random Town
Random Town

*are not confirmed

I'm guessing that at least one of the 2 remaining could be a protective role, I'd wouldn't count on a coroner since janitor only had 2 cleans. That leaves one. That being the case, I don't think we'll need our roleblock till later.

Cult should be up to 4 tomorrow, so be careful...

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So who to kill? If there is something I've learned over the past FMs is that we can't afford to underestimate citizens. Especially those that become trusted to town.

I think we have a unique opportunity tonight with Jaime. According to the Exe Last will, he is town... making him almost impossible to kill during the day. And with todays fiasco with all the PRs revealing, I doubt anyone will be protecting him. All the other PRs are on shaky ground with the cult leader still out there, so even if they are town, they are not always trusted and can easily be cast into doubt in day chat like I did with both Joffrey and the Jailor although I can't believe how easy the jailor made it. I really thought Joffrey had found a red interceptor for awhile.
And who knows, we might strike lucky and hit a lurking/hidden PR with Jaime.

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As for trapping, we got really lucky keeping Robb under the radar with both the sheriff and the investigator/consig. I wouldn't doubt that someone would like to visit him again sometime but he looks to be back under the radar and has a decent claim if he needs it. Bronn and Yoren would seem like a good target but I think they might get more than one visitor.

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There was 1 less roleblock claim today and no one claimed to have been witched, one of those actions might have been from Aemon. So just keep an eye on him as well.

We did get an extra action on day 3.. being the jester. No one claimed to have been annoyed day 2. So maybe one of the 2 roleblocks from n1 was on the jester as well. (Ser Loras or Melisandre)

Melisandre has been cryptic all game, roleplaying the witch. She indicated that she is a PR, she might be our jester, she doesn't join in on accusing people or defending people either.
Ser Loras on the other hand had a minor slip on d2 about night chat with Jorah, intentional or real slip is yet to be determined. He has been more involved in the discussion so I'm leaning more that he is not trying to get himself lynched.

Daenerys and Samwell both claim cit, I currently have nothing on them... keep an eye out for possible CL or GF.

Catelyn went after Cersei for his claim and forced him to resort to cit claim. I believe Catelyns mason claim as well, so no killing her.

Janos has been bussed twice, posts very little but actually has some good things to contribute. I'm guessing PR hidding under the radar. He is clearly one of the smart ones.

Ser Illyn posted what? 2 times? And was very quick to go after me. Lurking hard time. But unless he the Cult Leader, he has 0 info on me. I'm guessing he is probably just a cit.

Jon doesn't say much and looks like a loose cannon.

Ser Jorah has gone back under the radar.

And the rest didn't leave any impression.. mostly lurkers.

Then we have Sandor: Lord of the yellow spam... no clue what he is up to.




Discuss your thoughts plz.

[Tywin]

Jaime/Janos for the kill in my opinion. I trust your notes and a lot of what you say corroborates with mine.

I really have no idea who to trap at this point. I'm thinking about trapping Aemon.

[Tywin]

Going to sleep, hope to get back on about ~10 hours from now.

I wonder how the other vamps are faring.

[Oberyn]

Question to GMs: Trapper and bus driver combo, order of ops 5-9:

situation:

Trapper targets person A
Bus driver swaps person A with person B

Who would person C have to target to see the Trapper? And what roles would be killed - the bus driver or the roles between order 5-9?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Umm does the first question even have to be asked? The swapping would still occur even if the BD dies. So he'd still have to target the same person as the trapper.
In regards to who dies, the trapper kills whomever visits his target first. So you can assume that if someone targets him above the BD swap, they will die first. The kill is unaffected by the swap because the swap is irrelevant.

[Oberyn]

So, I think Janos is a good trapper target. If the bus driver has been paying attention, he'll want to protect him again. The only risk we have with this guy is if the other mafia roleblock him. Then we would end up killing a consort and the bus driver would know who our trapper is.

But I think it's worth the risk.

so tonights actions should look like as follows:

Robb kill Jaime
Tywin trap Janos
Oberyn relaxes (I'll try not to have too much excitement this time)

do you guys have anything to add? Or shall I post this into the official night actions thread?

[Tywin]

This is fine. Although I'm not sure about the relaxation part, it hasn't worked out the past few days XD