S-FM 361: Rectangle VS. Rhombus (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[jmw]

Right now I just think there’s at least 1 in Auwt/Superjack just based on thread feel

I would still be on the lookout for W!Helz but if Helz was a wolf then I feel like they let too many things slip by and it doesn’t feel like Helz has been orchestrating anything on the mafia side, I am thinking Helz is super towny

The only people I feel are clear enough or shouldn’t be considered as a wolf in the near future are Helz and Horkos

Behind that I’d say Gikkle/Ewian/Stella seem the least egregious

Aeo seems odd to me but whenever I play with them and they’re a villager they usually get pushed for having unique trains of thought

[Helz]

Good night

Its already the morning for me, i dont have the hour needed to check helz's iso i will do it later

Lol, I suspect your gona need a good bit more than an hour.

Something I will offer you is if you want we can work out a time we will both be online and you can rapid fire questions at me so I have zero time to prepare any deception. I have said a lot but I should not have a problem talking to some extent about any thought process I had off the top of my head. Probably one of the best ways I know of to deal with someone you expect is good at coming up with a lie.

I will also say I have lied but for good reason. One of the lies is cheeky as fuck and will probably make you laugh if it worked. But really I figure you gotta sort me because I am going to do absolutely nothing but get more powerful as a PR as the game goes on. Nothing changes that but my death, so worries there will only get worse if you can not trust me.

[Helz]

Right now I just think there’s at least 1 in Auwt/Superjack just based on thread feel

I would still be on the lookout for W!Helz but if Helz was a wolf then I feel like they let too many things slip by and it doesn’t feel like Helz has been orchestrating anything on the mafia side, I am thinking Helz is super towny

The only people I feel are clear enough or shouldn’t be considered as a wolf in the near future are Helz and Horkos

Behind that I’d say Gikkle/Ewian/Stella seem the least egregious

Aeo seems odd to me but whenever I play with them and they’re a villager they usually get pushed for having unique trains of thought

You missed The Lawyer in there.

[Helz]

I will mention the host did clarify that Networker does not see chat if they did not add themselves (as expected)

[Auwt]

"Helz is a Gravedigger and Bus Driver is dead, therefore he is dangerous and must die" is a terrible mech reason to have Helz killed. What if I die, or Horkos dies? The fact that we have a backup makes Helz arguably the most important character in this game. Thus theoretically it'd be a mistake to resign them to death.

If you had non-mech reasons to suspect Helz, you should've led with those. Now it looks to me like you're coming up with the reasons because someone other than Helz called you out. Not a great look for you

I'm not saying that they should be voted off rn, I am just saying that considering the roles still in the game, Helz is indeed the most dangerous if not controlled (aside from the PR I townread), or at least the most unconfirmed PR to me with a lot of impact.
I won't lead with a non-mech reasoning because I just don't have to.

Do as you please.

[Auwt]

#473
(I'm sorry I cannot use reply with quote cause of some random white square popping up with infinite loading time)


*So jmw was "seen" visiting Horkos by Helz' Lookout skill. Can you conclude anything? No, wolves can also KP at the same time.


*So jmw was "checked" by Stellaria's Sheriff skill. Can you conclude anything? Stellaria could very well be lying. If that's your only argument then you put more trust on Stellaria than jmw himself.


*So jmw had his D1 action "tampered" by Phraze's Bus Driver skill. Can you conclude anything? No, he even may not have gone for MM that day, and even if he did, it could just be their plan to have a "I'm a bamboozled jmw who got my action redirected elsewhere, look I cannot be a bad guy".
Nothing strong enough to deserve a 99.9999% town read



"-Their target makes total sense both for a town action and lines up with their reads
-Their target makes very little sense for Mafia with Horkos being a hard town lean right now"


Like what do you expect from a doc exactly?
Even a wolf doc could still line up their action with their reads.

[Auwt]

In fact I should be CONFIRMED TOWN because I was the reason why the bus driver was outed; both myself and doctor protected MM and yet they died, should I have not claimed, the Lawyer would've been much easier to push, and if I wanted to push the Lawyer to keep phraze around, I would simply not claim

That post is terrible.
Congrats.

[Stellaria]

Thank you for participating Auwt

-vote Aeoryi

[Stellaria]

Also Helz role is dangerous considering he could willingly mess things up as BD.
If Helz manages to live through that EOD, I'd recommend toleblocking him.

Im having a Mandela effect moment right now. I could have sworn for the life of me that this said killed or voting or something, not "toleblocking".

Yeah you don't deserve PoE status anymore

[Auwt]

So Auwt-

Then they voice their reads in one of the most odd ways I have ever seen:


I do not even know how it would be AI but its like "Yeah, that list but totally change it fliiping this way and that"

My apologies, I didn't expect moving categories and reversing a list to be that challenging and odd, soz.

They clarify and I draw this conclusion:

They do not ever provide reasoning for their reads.

I tend to throw the reads on dedicated posts rather than in list. Kinda lazy to rehearse over and over.

D2 first thing they soft defend The Lawyer making excuses for them

For the record if I were roleblocker I would have done the same.

and voicing how Vigi / Jailor coulda done the kill with me still doing the factional.

It wasn't (and maybe isn't) out of the table at that time. Although I gotta say this theory is now less likely imo.

Pretty much reflects they did not read the earlier posts where both Vigi and Jailor were claimed no-kill.

I totally read that, but once again, as a member of the town I tend not to instantly trust what each may say, ikr.
If either Vigi or Jailor is wolf, they don't need to claim if they kill. They have all the time they want to bring up the fake story they want to.

They then soft push JMW and voice they were correct on JMW D1. I will note they never so much as said JMW's name D1 and the only thing it connects with is my assumption of what their reads were placing JMW at the bottom of their neutral pool.

Seems accurate, nothing else to add here.

I later poke them to stop giving excuses for The Lawyer given it prevents me from getting the players thoughts and mention something about Phraze- they immediately correct me stating "I don't recall having pushed or even interacted at the slightest with Phraze"
Of tiny note but they are very aware of their interactions with that slot specifically. They conclude Town Phraze clears JMW;

Unsure of where you're going right here, I mean there wasn't any interaction with that slot at all. The only thing I did say about Phraze was something like "Their flip would benefit the most between them and Lawyer blablabla" along the lines.

then at some point POD asks why they are not voting but they are gone for the day.

Happens.

D3 they hard town read Horkos and The Lawyer while voicing suspicion on Aeroyi.

Totally correct, although I should add some nuance to it, Horkos is indeed lock town, Lawyer, on the other hand, looks very townish to me.

Then their is their second odd post

Their 462 post has reasoning I disagree with. I point out how me using a BD would result in me being caught and they point out it would be handled as a thunderdome. Yeah.. Sounds like an outstanding thing for town. They point out good reasoning on how as scum making a lookout play for town cred makes sense, although I do still feel using it to hard confirm a role as town would still be a questionable play. They question a 'slip' by me saying 'went out of my way to confirm a town.' I just do not follow there. Then it leads into how I can prove JMW is not scum making me feel they did not catch the sheriff had a town peek on the slot as well.

You can see my answer to this effect in my last post

I would like to hear @Auwt could you clearly explain what your reads on players are? Im still very unsure where you stand

Horkos
Lawyer
SuperJack
Helz
Gikkle
jmw
Stellaria
Aeroyi
ewianking

[Auwt]

While i do like some of the material and your contribution to this game, i think that a lot of your posts are many speculations and very neutral or pointless.

I think if you made mistakes, they would be drowned in the ocean of words you posted . I do see who you voted , who voted with you and who you tried to protect (ewianking and Aeoryi, you know, the ones i want to jail  )

If we get rid of ewianking you get the gun this is why i want to resolve your slot right after.

I second this.

[Auwt]

For the record, I find ewianking's start of the day very opportunistic, and not aligned at all with the vote they casted last day.
If we do not reach a concensus today, I'd really love to see this slot cleared tonight.

[The Lawyer]

I'm not saying that they should be voted off rn, I am just saying that considering the roles still in the game, Helz is indeed the most dangerous if not controlled (aside from the PR I townread), or at least the most unconfirmed PR to me with a lot of impact.

I have been arguing this since D1.

So what are we going to do about Helz?

It's unfortunate that he hasn't been checked yet... He's the most active player and still hasn't been checked... If I was Sheriff I would have checked him N1

2 towns and 1 scum are dead and finding out Helz' alignment is definitely the biggest issue in the game.

[Horkos]

so, took me 45 min to read helz's day 1 i will finish the rest later.

Aeoryi will be the one to be jailed tonight, that will give a chance to shoot for ewianking.

could be gg if we miss mafia

[ewianking]

so, took me 45 min to read helz's day 1 i will finish the rest later.

Aeoryi will be the one to be jailed tonight, that will give a chance to shoot for ewianking.

could be gg if we miss mafia

Well if we don’t get a lynch today ik who I’m shooting already
That being said I don’t have much time remaining today so I’ll most likely be on like 1-2 times before eod.

-vote Superjack

[The Lawyer]

Im having a Mandela effect moment right now. I could have sworn for the life of me that this said killed or voting or something, not "toleblocking".

Yeah you don't deserve PoE status anymore

I have to ask, why did you choose JMW the doctor over Helz to check N2? I think that the loudest player who can powerwolf deserves a N2 check

[Gikkle]

sorry for inactivity have been doing stuff literally all of sunday & monday

to answer the question I saw regarding my networker chat, I chose aeoryi, jmw, and helz because I figured they could coordinate their protective actions (LO, BG, Doctor), and if it looked like mafia knew about it (such as if bus driver/escort did something to circumvent it) we'd know there was a mafia in the chat. Would have added myself as the 4th but decided last second to do stellaria after seeing them sub in so they'd have an opportunity to chat since they subbed in very late in the day

i don't think it was mentioned anywhere but @Helz @Aeoryi @jmw @Stellaria can you summarize what happened in the chat?

[Gikkle]

auwt's recent posting looks a lot more like i remember from town them & I think shows a healthy skepticism of helz hardclearing jmw

i think if helz is a wolf it'd have to be with specifically horkos because i feel like W!helz would have been a lot more controlling about who horkos jails/making sure the vote goes through to avoid horkos jailing mafia in a W!helz/T!horkos world (and I haven't really noticed helz going out of his way to specifically butter up horkos). Or he would have just killed horkos n1 and taken the jailor role since I think with how focused he's been on mech he would have recognized it's utility in this playerlist. I was also kinda curious to see how helz used the opportunity I gave him to coordinate actions in a private chat but I haven't really heard anything about that so lol

i've liked stellaria's posting so far & if we can trust the check on jmw (assuming lawyer and horkos weren't both lying about blocking phraze) then that sets up a pretty solid towncore

I don't really understand helz's unpairing of phraze/lawyer (since it seems like they were mostly pushing helz and only added phraze on because of how helz was treating them), and considering they're not entirely new I'm not too sure my initial "too gutsy" read really stands.

I think that sort of does just leave ewian/aeoryi/superjack/lawyer in my mind

[SuperJack]

Forgot i'm here lol

[Gikkle]

Forgot i'm here lol

hello

you haven't posted in a hot minute

have you read up

[SuperJack]

Well I didnt die last night and I've not been replaced out thats cool. Forgot the lynch rules but is it only day 1 that needs a majority so that means today its whoever most votes win

[SuperJack]

hello

you haven't posted in a hot minute

have you read up

Not yet, any questions before I start to catch up? Before my eyes are cursed with peoples horriffic posts

[Gikkle]

Not yet, any questions before I start to catch up? Before my eyes are cursed with peoples horriffic posts

i mean i'm not sure what questions you'd be able to answer before catching up

i suppose any initial impressions/thoughts you have based on what you have read?

[Horkos]

Lol, I suspect your gona need a good bit more than an hour.

Something I will offer you is if you want we can work out a time we will both be online and you can rapid fire questions at me so I have zero time to prepare any deception. I have said a lot but I should not have a problem talking to some extent about any thought process I had off the top of my head. Probably one of the best ways I know of to deal with someone you expect is good at coming up with a lie.

I will also say I have lied but for good reason. One of the lies is cheeky as fuck and will probably make you laugh if it worked. But really I figure you gotta sort me because I am going to do absolutely nothing but get more powerful as a PR as the game goes on. Nothing changes that but my death, so worries there will only get worse if you can not trust me.

what do you think of Aeoryi atm , i would like to know what @SuperJack think as well before eod

[Gikkle]

@ewianking what are your current reads

[Stellaria]

I have to ask, why did you choose JMW the doctor over Helz to check N2? I think that the loudest player who can powerwolf deserves a N2 check

Im growing tired of explaining this over and over again.

JMW was one of the three other people in chat with me. I chose him randomly because I literally had not read anything up until that point.

Mind you, I subbed in so I wasn't there for Helz being the main person talking. And I wasn't aware until later that everyone's roles were already outed.

This is my third time explaining this, please do not make me do it again 🙏

[Stellaria]

Well I didnt die last night and I've not been replaced out thats cool. Forgot the lynch rules but is it only day 1 that needs a majority so that means today its whoever most votes win

For a second I thought you were saying this was the case and I nearly lost my mind trying to find where it says that.

The answer is no, a majority of people need to vote for someone for them to be eliminated

[Stellaria]

sorry for inactivity have been doing stuff literally all of sunday & monday

to answer the question I saw regarding my networker chat, I chose aeoryi, jmw, and helz because I figured they could coordinate their protective actions (LO, BG, Doctor), and if it looked like mafia knew about it (such as if bus driver/escort did something to circumvent it) we'd know there was a mafia in the chat. Would have added myself as the 4th but decided last second to do stellaria after seeing them sub in so they'd have an opportunity to chat since they subbed in very late in the day

i don't think it was mentioned anywhere but @Helz @Aeoryi @jmw @Stellaria can you summarize what happened in the chat?

Thanks for that.

As for what happened there? In my professional opinion you dont need to know ♡

[Stellaria]

Work time is now so I hope I see more from all of you later

[ewianking]

@ewianking what are your current reads

steller
jmw
horkos
auwt
helz
lawyer
you
aeo
jack

[jmw]

sorry for inactivity have been doing stuff literally all of sunday & monday

to answer the question I saw regarding my networker chat, I chose aeoryi, jmw, and helz because I figured they could coordinate their protective actions (LO, BG, Doctor), and if it looked like mafia knew about it (such as if bus driver/escort did something to circumvent it) we'd know there was a mafia in the chat. Would have added myself as the 4th but decided last second to do stellaria after seeing them sub in so they'd have an opportunity to chat since they subbed in very late in the day

i don't think it was mentioned anywhere but @Helz @Aeoryi @jmw @Stellaria can you summarize what happened in the chat?

Not a lot really. Mostly Helz giving reads and thoughts on various things.
I can give you a proper summary when I’m free later tonight

[Helz]

I'm not saying that they should be voted off rn, I am just saying that considering the roles still in the game, Helz is indeed the most dangerous if not controlled (aside from the PR I townread), or at least the most unconfirmed PR to me with a lot of impact.
I won't lead with a non-mech reasoning because I just don't have to.

Do as you please.

Leashing me is not possible and it’s dumb to try. Either trust me or kill me. My role is just going to get more powerful as the game goes on

[Helz]

#473
(I'm sorry I cannot use reply with quote cause of some random white square popping up with infinite loading time)


*So jmw was "seen" visiting Horkos by Helz' Lookout skill. Can you conclude anything? No, wolves can also KP at the same time.


*So jmw was "checked" by Stellaria's Sheriff skill. Can you conclude anything? Stellaria could very well be lying. If that's your only argument then you put more trust on Stellaria than jmw himself.


*So jmw had his D1 action "tampered" by Phraze's Bus Driver skill. Can you conclude anything? No, he even may not have gone for MM that day, and even if he did, it could just be their plan to have a "I'm a bamboozled jmw who got my action redirected elsewhere, look I cannot be a bad guy".
Nothing strong enough to deserve a 99.9999% town read



"-Their target makes total sense both for a town action and lines up with their reads
-Their target makes very little sense for Mafia with Horkos being a hard town lean right now"


Like what do you expect from a doc exactly?
Even a wolf doc could still line up their action with their reads.

Posting on my phone so I’m poorly equipped to quote, but my initial comment was about me voicing stuff to clear town, you took it as a potential slip, I voiced how unlikely it is for them to be scum and your essentially arguing it is likely.
So if not 99.999% or whatever what number would you put?

For them to be scum we have a sheriff who’s first action is to hard align themselves with the doc for cover. We are already in tinfoil world just with that
Or the jailor has to have been scum who lied about jail and the bd interaction caused the problem with vigi shooting for the kill- even more unlikely
Then the doc and vig would have to be paired for doc to target off team given vigi kill risk
Or
Doc favors maybe town cred of being seen healing as scum (no way in hell even if scum figured out my day action was not blocked)

Like… all of these are so insanely unlikely imo and your treating them as some very real potential. So you tell me what number you should put and how that translates to me viewing them as hard town is so unreasonable

[Helz]

Some things I will wait until I’m back on pc to reply to. I will also ask host if I can x-post networker logs. Not much happened there and very honestly I said d1 I am hard against projecting actions in a networker chat so for that- I did absolutely nothing. If just 1 of the players was mafia we would have been coaching the mafia on how to counter our actions.

I was actually seeing a potential you wanted that talked about based on your role selection and questioning if it was an indicator you were mafia because of it.

Will try to look at a recap and certainly post the updated action list when I am home

[Helz]

For networker chat i will say one problem is the amount of people. There has to be trust and 4 players out of 10 with 3 scum in game has very low odds of of being pure. I would consider that if you want to make a sneaky chat for town to coordinate in

[Helz]

My apologies, I didn't expect moving categories and reversing a list to be that challenging and odd, soz.
I tend to throw the reads on dedicated posts rather than in list. Kinda lazy to rehearse over and over.

I really do not see how it could possibly be AI. It just felt weird. When your cutting a category, reversing an order and flopping 2 categories it just feels like a very odd way to convey that information. May as well at that point say you have totally different reads and say what they are.

For the record if I were roleblocker I would have done the same.
It wasn't (and maybe isn't) out of the table at that time. Although I gotta say this theory is now less likely imo.

Fair and agreed. In context I was focused more on their thought process than what they did and again- I still feel with the thought process 'This dude may be good for the factional' should connect to a conclusion of 'The factional happened, dude is less likely scum.' That was my push and I never herd The Lawyer say "I blocked him because he had no action and felt he would be a good Factional kill thing." I feel like your projecting your reasoning there although it does not matter and I am very much not interested in them unless someone wants to argue they were not bussing Phraze or deep wolfing D2.

I totally read that, but once again, as a member of the town I tend not to instantly trust what each may say, ikr.
If either Vigi or Jailor is wolf, they don't need to claim if they kill. They have all the time they want to bring up the fake story they want to.

Ehhh.. 2 things here.
1- From memory POD claimed jailed and not executed. Not the jailor. This reasoning does not follow that 100% and I am 99% sure I am correct there. I very specifically remember the Jailor claim in that light.
2- It changes nothing in the situation. From your perspective you are arguing about what I see The Lawyer considered and you apply your reasoning instead of applying what you think their reasoning is.

Im getting pretty deep into WIFOM here but I dislike this response.

Unsure of where you're going right here, I mean there wasn't any interaction with that slot at all. The only thing I did say about Phraze was something like "Their flip would benefit the most between them and Lawyer blablabla" along the lines.

Was just mentioning you were immediately aware of your level of contact with Phraze while you felt unaware of PR actions. Basically where I was going when I said that.

Totally correct, although I should add some nuance to it, Horkos is indeed lock town, Lawyer, on the other hand, looks very townish to me.

How do you feel about the potential of Lawyer bussing D2 if you do not mind me asking?

TLDR- only thing of note would be (if I remember right) POD revealed no jailor execution while they are voicing reasoning that Jailor/vigi could have lied as their reasoning.

[Helz]

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[Horkos]

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I see the put the lawyer in Green, what changed your mind ?

Also i think you can change the sheriff's name

[Helz]

so, took me 45 min to read helz's day 1 i will finish the rest later.

I did warn ya. I think I am like 180 posts in the game with most of them being large'ish' walls.

If you want to hard clear me maybe come up with a list of questions and make me fast answer. I can not hand you an easier way to sort me than that.

So what are we going to do about Helz?

You read me, trust me or kill me. I will give you this

Here is some differences in how I try to play town vs scum:
1- BIGGEST one I track and exploit bias between players as scum. I do not even need to make cases because I am pitting town against etchother
2- I hardcore work to coordinate my wolf team. I may play powerwolf or deepwolf (kinda never sleeper, I hate that shit) but my wolf team does work together and I work very hard to create TvT if not TvTvT trains each day. None of that here
3- Hardcore town jailor I am borderline simping to for them to read me. They would either be discredited or not existing with a Mafia BG if I was the power wolf. 1000%.
4- My only hard push stayed in specific lanes of reasoning. I did not really branch out attacking your interactions and how others acted around you to hammer you into the dirt when I thought you may have slipped. I stayed hardline focused on what you did and did not explain on that specific issue while distrusting counterwagon pushes and offering you excuses before you gave reasoning.
I will say if I was a wolf I probably would have first had someone else initiate the issue for me before entering the conflict and I also would have dismantled Phraze pushes by poking bias to push your lynch through.
5- I am burning town equity in a different way. Years back I came up with the idea that being town read is a currency to be spent for a wolf. I later felt its also one for town. Look at what I have burnt it on this game. Made an awkward as hell entrance shoving mech rvs break arguments, making controversial points to generate activity in a lurk game and hammering on unpopular views unapologetically while also pushing "Trust me or kill me, Fuck the middle ground" Not much survival focus there and if I was scum I could instead go with the flow and manipulate town spending my town cred to get people to kill etch other or waste resources.

Ramblings. Take them for what they are worth. At some point I very much do expect to be realized as obvious town and kinda have the hubris to say it should be recognized. Its a bit frustrating that the majority of pushes on me are "I think your read here is wrong and your buddied with this person so if your wrong you die" while people seem to talk about me more than to me. Ask me anything.

[Helz]

I see the put the lawyer in Green, what changed your mind ?

Also i think you can change the sheriff's name

Sure.

On The Lawyer its 1 simple thing I have been bothered about others reading them. The question "Were they bussing Phraze"
I came to a hard no. Made a post on it today digging into the subject. I think they are between Town and the unlikely hard deep wolf play. (I do not think many players globally even consider it a play and look at it as borderline gamethrowing if it fails where a wolf goes so far past bussing they just kill another wolf for the town cred)

People keep throwing them wherever in their reads but I am considering how little thought has been given to this issue. Sure most have overlooked it but man, I do want to hear someone read through D2 and tell me how likely The Lawyer was bussing Phraze.

[Helz]

what do you think of Aeoryi atm , i would like to know what @SuperJack think as well before eod

They feel between scummy and low productive town. Thread presence is survival focused with little hunting (from memory) but totally on par with more of an SC2 player crossing into Forum games as a potential.

I still see their slot as self resolving. If mafia they probably do nothing forever. Their action just hurts their team with the trade even if town is not clever with their seeds. A sneaky townie shot could = 2 dead mafia with them protecting.

The more time goes on without them hitting the less likely they are town. The Mafia should also have a HUGE goal to kill them given its a low likely protective slot that also kills them 1000%. Them living to the late game just means they are scum or mafia gambled night after night to not be hit by this wild card of a player who I would personally struggle to read who they would protect.

To be blunt- They either succeed, die, or need to be killed as the game moves forward. I have something else to say I will hold back for now.

[Helz]

So btw- Little fun bit of a challenge

Can AUWT be night killed? If so how and what happens?

[Horkos]

So btw- Little fun bit of a challenge

Can AUWT be night killed? If so how and what happens?

Obviously i am the only one who can kill him at night atm, if i die somehow you would be able to do that assuming your role pick comes first in the OoO but i don't why not

[Helz]

Obviously i am the only one who can kill him at night atm, if i die somehow you would be able to do that assuming your role pick comes first in the OoO but i don't why not

One of 3 ways.
Second is BG protecting a person going to them
Third however.... Complicated : )

[Horkos]

One of 3 ways.
Second is BG protecting a person going to them
Third however.... Complicated : )

The 2nd was mentionned in the specific role description : protection does not trigger on jailor executions or veteran kills

[Helz]

Anyways Horkos, can we sort something?

You are the blunt sword of the town at this point and I do need your trust.

I will also say if I do have your trust we could chain night actions in a way that buys you days.

JMW town targets you, You do your thing, I target JMW and see who does what to them, then Aeoryi targets me.

This would put in line of town priority and reads layers of protection on you to do what you do with a scum Aeoryi being a critical failure point if I die.

1 of a few mech crunches I thought of. Point would be it gives you room to RB and kill with time and makes it very hard for a scum at any level to bullshit about what they did.
Downside- gotta trust I do not Bus Driver some shit (although if I did it would immediately be pegged)

[Horkos]

Anyways Horkos, can we sort something?

You are the blunt sword of the town at this point and I do need your trust.

I will also say if I do have your trust we could chain night actions in a way that buys you days.

JMW town targets you, You do your thing, I target JMW and see who does what to them, then Aeoryi targets me.

This would put in line of town priority and reads layers of protection on you to do what you do with a scum Aeoryi being a critical failure point if I die.

1 of a few mech crunches I thought of. Point would be it gives you room to RB and kill with time and makes it very hard for a scum at any level to bullshit about what they did.
Downside- gotta trust I do not Bus Driver some shit (although if I did it would immediately be pegged)

Did you forget that i will jail aeoryi or are you planning something else , you already admitted lying about some things, that being said i doubt i will die tomorow and i do trust you not to bus me

Tbh i expected the day to end yesterday and i have already sent my action, i don't know if i can change it but if i do i will claim it. Since we have more time than i expected i still want to know what @SuperJack thinks of Aeoryi

I remember that gikkle said that mafia has a day chat i hope everyone will keep that in mind(i feel like i was the only one surprised about this)

[Helz]

Ehh, Im tired.
Was a start to leash and put the mafia in a fucked off position but im gona crash.

They are probably scum or self resolving if not. Figure we are moving between high town value and super low to detrimental mafia value on a LHF slot there. Had a secret evil plot to use them as an issue for mafia to justify certain kills but the way they have played its a bit more problematic so it may not have worked anyways.

[Auwt]

Also Helz you shouldn't be scared of me asking Escort to rb you. OoO clearly state the following order Lookout>Escort>Bus Driver.
So unless you planned on taking BD, it should not really be a problem, right ? ; )

[Helz]

Also Helz you shouldn't be scared of me asking Escort to rb you. OoO clearly state the following order Lookout>Escort>Bus Driver.
So unless you planned on taking BD, it should not really be a problem, right ? ; )

Drunk as hell now. Didn't bother reading it but sure.
I already submitted for Lookout although that was not my worry. I would like you guys to get right with my existence or get me out of this game