S-FM 361: Rectangle VS. Rhombus (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[oliverz144]

S - F M 3 6 1
Rectangle VS. Rhombus
Presented by: Oli
Original Set-Up
Heavily inspired by Lumi

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https://youtu.be/NPBJjMLMbdw
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The Town of the Rectangles is plagued by the crimes of the Rhombi.
Will the Rectangles be able to find all the Rhombi hidden in their ranks, before the Rhombi outnumber the Rectangles?

Only time will tell. Until then... stay vigilant and watch Your back.

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Spoiler : Set-Up :

Character Roles

Mayor
Doctor
Lookout
Veteran
Survivalist
Vigilante
Grave Digger
Jailor
Escort
Networker
Bus Driver
Bodyguard
Sheriff

Faction Roles

Rhombus
Rhombus
Rhombus
Rhombus

Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle
Rectangle

Spoiler : Specific Role Descriptions :

Character Role Descriptions

Mayor

• Your vote counts as 2 votes for the purposes of lynching
• You are NOT confirmed town

Doctor

• Protect 1 person each night from death
• Protects target against mafia and vigilante kills. Does not protect against jailor executions or veteran/bodyguard kills.
• No feedback is given or received for a successful heal

Lookout

• Watch over someone each night, seeing which people target that person
• Sees all people who visit your target, regardless of where they appear on the OoO

Compulsive Veteran

• Go on alert each night, killing anyone who targets you
• You MUST go on alert and have unlimited charges
• Kills through this ability bypass any protection/healing
• You are immune to mafia and vigilante kills. You are not immune to bodyguard kills or jailor executions.
• You do not kill anyone who targets you with a day action, and being jailed prevents you from going on alert.

Survivalist

• Automatically protect yourself each night, giving yourself immunity.
• If you are targeted by a mafia or vigilante kill, you do not die. Instead, your receive feedback that you were targeted by a kill, and have your role converted to citizen (losing all character abilities, but not faction abilities)
• You are not immune to jailor executions or veteran/bodyguard kills.

Vigilante

• May kill 1 target on any given night
• If a town aligned member is successfully killed using this action, your role is converted to citizen (losing all character abilities, but not faction abilities).
• Aside from this restriction, you have unlimited shots

Grave Digger

• Once per day, you may target any character in the graveyard, gaining all of their CHARACTER abilities for the rest of that day and the following night.
• Survivalists or vigilantes who died as citizens are treated as having no character ability.
• Saving yourself as a survivalist or killing a town aligned character as a vigilante will permanently convert you to a citizen (losing all character abilities, but not faction abilities).
• You may NOT target a dead mayor, all other roles are fair game.

Jailor

• Once per day, you may target any character to be jailed
• If, and only if, no lynch occurs on that day, target character will jailed by you during the following night.
• You may communicate with jailed characters during the night, and jailed characters are role blocked and unable to join any other night chats.
• You may execute a jailed character at the end of the night, bypassing all healings and immunities.
• You have unlimited executions

Escort

• Each night, you may target 1 person to be role-blocked, preventing any night actions.
• Can not prevent jailor executions, which are performed earlier in the OoO.
• No feedback is given to the target from this ability.

Networker

• Each day, you may target up to 4 people (including yourself) to network.
• The following night, all people targeted will form a night chat.
• You may target less then 4 people.
• If you do not target yourself, you will not be included in the chat.
• Jailed people will not be able to join the chat.
• You may not setup a night chat if you are jailed.

Bus Driver

• Each night, target 2 people to be swapped.
• All other actions targeting one of the swapped persons will instead target the other person.
• Does not affect jailor executions or escort roleblocks, which occur earlier in the OoO.
• No feedback is given to either of the swapped individuals.

Bodyguard

• Target 1 person each night, protecting them.
• If the protected individual is targeted by a mafia or vigilante attack, they do not die. Instead both you and the attacker die.
• Both of these deaths cannot be prevented by any means.
• Protection does not trigger on jailor executions or veteran kills.
• No feedback will be given for a successful protection.

Sheriff

• Target 1 person each night to investigate
• If the target has a mafioso faction role, you will be informed they appear to be mafia aligned.
• If the target has a town faction role, you will be informed they appear town aligned.

Factions Roles


Rhombus {Mafia}

• You are aligned with the Rhombi. You win when all rectangle-aligned members are dead and at least one rhombi-aligned member is still alive.
• You know the identities of all other mafia-aligned players, and may chat with them each night.
• Each night, one member of the mafia may kill a target player as a free action, in addition to any character actions.

Rectangle {Town}

• You are aligned with the Rectangles. You win when all Rhombi aligned members are dead and at least one rectangle-aligned member is still alive.
• You have no additional abilities (aside from your character ability)

Spoiler : Order of Operations :

Order of operations (OoO):

Start of Night:

Jailing
Card Sharp sets up a night chat
All night chats open


End of night

Jailor executes
Veteran goes on alert, Survivalist protects himself
Lookout goes into position
Escort roleblocks
Coach driver switches targets
Bodyguard protects
Doctor protects
Kills/Investigation Feedback

Rules

Setup specific rules:

1. Blackout: To give the mafia more freedom with who they target with their character abilities, no feedback will be given for the following roles which usually do give feedback: Escort, Bus Driver, Doctor and Bodyguard.
2. Free faction kills: For the same reason as blackout, the mafia member who carries out the faction kill may still use any character night actions.
3. Longer Days: Days for this S-FM will be longer then usual, with 72 hours for the first day and 48 hours for the following days. Nights will be a constant 24 hours.

Other Rules:

1. All Standard FM Rules apply unless stated otherwise.

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Player List

#	Name	Role	Status
1	powerofdeath	Mayor	Spoiler : Dead. : Rectangle.
2	Marshmallow Marshall	Lookout	Spoiler : Dead. : Rectangle.
3	Gikkle	Networker	Alive.
4	Ewianking	Vigilante	Alive.
5	Tauntshaman	Sheriff	Alive.
6	The Lawyer	Escort	Alive.
7	Helz	Grave Digger	Alive.
8	Phraze	Bus Driver	Spoiler : Dead. : Rhombus.
9	SuperJack	Survivalist	Alive.
10	Auwt	Veteran	Alive.
11	Aeroyi	Bodyguard	Alive.
12	jmw	Doctor	Alive.
13	Horkos	Jailor	Alive.

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Important Posts:
Day 1 Start

This post is under construction.

[oliverz144]

Day 1 will begin shortly.

[oliverz144]

Day 1 has begun!
Day 1 will end in 71 hours and 25 minutes, on Wednesday, 4PM Washington DC!
Send Your role Actions by then!

[SuperJack]

I've had another child this took so long to start

[Helz]

I've had another child this took so long to start

This legit made me laugh.

Yeah, longest buildup ever. I kinda expect D1 to be slower than normal given there is no human being who planned for this timeline. I love the setup and lineup of players. Should make for a good game

[Phraze]

I've had another child this took so long to start

This was hilarious (did I comment on that? I don't think so).

Reading.

[SuperJack]

Role Card
You are the Host!


Names / Roles
1. FireBringer, Framer
2. Ika, Citizen
3. RLVG, Godfather
4. StealthBomber16, Citizen
5. Bananacucho, Serial Killer
6. Mattzed, Agent
7. PowerofDeath, Doctor
8. Orpz, Vigilante
9. Hypersniper, Investigator
10. Lolunic0rn, Escort
11. Fatalis, Citizen
12. Dagaen, Bus Driver
GG

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I've had another child this took so long to start

Role Card
You are the Host!


Names / Roles
1. FireBringer, Framer
2. Ika, Citizen
3. RLVG, Godfather
4. StealthBomber16, Citizen
5. Bananacucho, Serial Killer
6. Mattzed, Agent
7. PowerofDeath, Doctor
8. Orpz, Vigilante
9. Hypersniper, Investigator
10. Lolunic0rn, Escort
11. Fatalis, Citizen
12. Dagaen, Bus Driver
GG

XDDDD that's a good start

-vote powerofdeath

SJ is too cool to be my RVS target

On those wise words, I am out for a while

[powerofdeath]

Role Card
You are the Host!


Names / Roles
1. FireBringer, Framer
2. Ika, Citizen
3. RLVG, Godfather
4. StealthBomber16, Citizen
5. Bananacucho, Serial Killer
6. Mattzed, Agent
7. PowerofDeath, Doctor
8. Orpz, Vigilante
9. Hypersniper, Investigator
10. Lolunic0rn, Escort
11. Fatalis, Citizen
12. Dagaen, Bus Driver
GG

bro i miss a lot of those people

[Marshmallow Marshall]

bro i miss a lot of those people

Especially Hypersniper. Best host.

That said, O great mayor, what is your unbiased opinion on Helz's mechanical stuff? Do you consider it to be readable at all?

[powerofdeath]

Especially Hypersniper. Best host.

That said, O great mayor, what is your unbiased opinion on Helz's mechanical stuff? Do you consider it to be readable at all?

I definitely do not miss him, he ruined my M-FM I spent over 200 hours working on by outting his own cult leader cuz he was salty he got converted

Mech stuff usually NAI first day

[SuperJack]

Follow my leads and then game ends and busdriver, you might wanna swap me with the mafia member...to keep me alive the same time make mafia member dead.

[SuperJack]

Wait ,vigilante shoot framer or agent, bus driver busz whoever you want to keep alive, your choice :P but please just listen to my leads , thats all i asked you.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Umm... hello? We must straighten out those Rhombi, and that would probably involve... saying something.

[Helz]

Umm... hello? We must straighten out those Rhombi, and that would probably involve... saying something.

Yup. I see breaking RVS as an issue. Will have to push a bit as players actually get into the game

[Helz]

Some thoughts on roles, strat, and balance-

Mayor Not much to say outside the description. Room to wagonimics it late game. I feel its much less likely to be Mafia given how hard that could curve the game. 4v9 with a +1 vote on the 4 on this setup could translate to a N1 win.
Doctor Typical for site meta. More likely for a town role. Easy cover claim. Late game crunch mechanics to verify heals
Lookout Interesting that it breaks OoO. Slightly more likely a town role
Vet Compulsive is huge. A town player with this role should be VERY conscious of the way they are seen. Claiming is a mixed idea and its probably gona be one of the most difficult roles in the game to play. If you are town and less confident could claim early to prevent TvT. Equity for a jester level move as Mafia (although from balance I think its less likely given that it would hard leverage a player and be easy to mechanically corner)
Survivalist Cool twist on cit. Offsets the PR heavy lineup. More likely to be town as a role but also likely to be a cover claim
Vig Not much to say outside the description. Obvious play implications. Holstering may be the better play as town given BG and Vet exist but odds matter. 4/13 is a 30% shot. Math a tiny bit and make judgements based on game situation.
Grave Digger Lots of potential. Interesting nerf in the vanalize functions that makes me feel its more likely in the game. Pretty much the only thing to consider for actions imo. Slight lean for it to be a Mafia role.
Jailor Typical for site meta. Pushes advantage for no-lynch. Jailor should also consider jailing to communicate. Notable lack of protection on jailing. Equal equity in Mafia or Town and likely to be in game for one side or the other.
Networker Chats. Would be good to do them always. Also dumping logs as a reveal to self confirm at some point can be a HUGE benefit to town confirming and a lot of roles can play off knowing that reveal. Very neutral role
Bus Driver Typical for site meta. No feedback to the swapped people should be noted. More likely to be mafia for setup balance imo.
BG Potential for cross killing TvT. Probably best to stick to the hard obvitown group view for town. Mafia Bodyguard is interesting but imo unlikely for balance
Sheriff Typical for site meta. Seed well. (On this I suggest we start claiming checks each day. Breadcrums post flip reads which this site does poorly.) My N0 check was P4 Ewianking as cit (Value to doing it each day. Would not trust it end game but real value early/mid)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Some thoughts on roles, strat, and balance-

Mayor Not much to say outside the description. Room to wagonimics it late game. I feel its much less likely to be Mafia given how hard that could curve the game. 4v9 with a +1 vote on the 4 on this setup could translate to a N1 win.
Doctor Typical for site meta. More likely for a town role. Easy cover claim. Late game crunch mechanics to verify heals
Lookout Interesting that it breaks OoO. Slightly more likely a town role
Vet Compulsive is huge. A town player with this role should be VERY conscious of the way they are seen. Claiming is a mixed idea and its probably gona be one of the most difficult roles in the game to play. If you are town and less confident could claim early to prevent TvT. Equity for a jester level move as Mafia (although from balance I think its less likely given that it would hard leverage a player and be easy to mechanically corner)
Survivalist Cool twist on cit. Offsets the PR heavy lineup. More likely to be town as a role but also likely to be a cover claim
Vig Not much to say outside the description. Obvious play implications. Holstering may be the better play as town given BG and Vet exist but odds matter. 4/13 is a 30% shot. Math a tiny bit and make judgements based on game situation.
Grave Digger Lots of potential. Interesting nerf in the vanalize functions that makes me feel its more likely in the game. Pretty much the only thing to consider for actions imo. Slight lean for it to be a Mafia role.
Jailor Typical for site meta. Pushes advantage for no-lynch. Jailor should also consider jailing to communicate. Notable lack of protection on jailing. Equal equity in Mafia or Town and likely to be in game for one side or the other.
Networker Chats. Would be good to do them always. Also dumping logs as a reveal to self confirm at some point can be a HUGE benefit to town confirming and a lot of roles can play off knowing that reveal. Very neutral role
Bus Driver Typical for site meta. No feedback to the swapped people should be noted. More likely to be mafia for setup balance imo.
BG Potential for cross killing TvT. Probably best to stick to the hard obvitown group view for town. Mafia Bodyguard is interesting but imo unlikely for balance
Sheriff Typical for site meta. Seed well. (On this I suggest we start claiming checks each day. Breadcrums post flip reads which this site does poorly.) My N0 check was P4 Ewianking as cit (Value to doing it each day. Would not trust it end game but real value early/mid)

...I mean, this is probably reaction testing, because I dare assume HELZ, out of all people, has read the setup and understood its concept. There's no mafia traitor, after all. I shall thus let this slide.

However, I will indicate that effortposting is not alignment indicative, especially for Helz. If I see anyone giving him town points for this, I shall hit them with a hammer >=|
(unless there are valid reasons beyond "it's a wall on page 1" or "he's mech solving!" lol)

[powerofdeath]

Some thoughts on roles, strat, and balance-

Mayor Not much to say outside the description. Room to wagonimics it late game. I feel its much less likely to be Mafia given how hard that could curve the game. 4v9 with a +1 vote on the 4 on this setup could translate to a N1 win.
Doctor Typical for site meta. More likely for a town role. Easy cover claim. Late game crunch mechanics to verify heals
Lookout Interesting that it breaks OoO. Slightly more likely a town role
Vet Compulsive is huge. A town player with this role should be VERY conscious of the way they are seen. Claiming is a mixed idea and its probably gona be one of the most difficult roles in the game to play. If you are town and less confident could claim early to prevent TvT. Equity for a jester level move as Mafia (although from balance I think its less likely given that it would hard leverage a player and be easy to mechanically corner)
Survivalist Cool twist on cit. Offsets the PR heavy lineup. More likely to be town as a role but also likely to be a cover claim
Vig Not much to say outside the description. Obvious play implications. Holstering may be the better play as town given BG and Vet exist but odds matter. 4/13 is a 30% shot. Math a tiny bit and make judgements based on game situation.
Grave Digger Lots of potential. Interesting nerf in the vanalize functions that makes me feel its more likely in the game. Pretty much the only thing to consider for actions imo. Slight lean for it to be a Mafia role.
Jailor Typical for site meta. Pushes advantage for no-lynch. Jailor should also consider jailing to communicate. Notable lack of protection on jailing. Equal equity in Mafia or Town and likely to be in game for one side or the other.
Networker Chats. Would be good to do them always. Also dumping logs as a reveal to self confirm at some point can be a HUGE benefit to town confirming and a lot of roles can play off knowing that reveal. Very neutral role
Bus Driver Typical for site meta. No feedback to the swapped people should be noted. More likely to be mafia for setup balance imo.
BG Potential for cross killing TvT. Probably best to stick to the hard obvitown group view for town. Mafia Bodyguard is interesting but imo unlikely for balance
Sheriff Typical for site meta. Seed well. (On this I suggest we start claiming checks each day. Breadcrums post flip reads which this site does poorly.) My N0 check was P4 Ewianking as cit (Value to doing it each day. Would not trust it end game but real value early/mid)

Now that i read this out, I feel like Helz doesnt realize that everyone's roles are outted. He mentioned Vet should be hidden but we all already know whos vet is

[Helz]

Now that i read this out, I feel like Helz doesnt realize that everyone's roles are outted. He mentioned Vet should be hidden but we all already know whos vet is

I do. This is probably the only game I have jumped into after signing up such a long period of time ago. I realized that before posting and decided to post it anyways. But yes, at the time of writing that I forgot that the roles list was outed. Even seeded my own role and softed to offset mafia PR hunting

[The Lawyer]

Some thoughts on roles, strat, and balance-

Mayor Not much to say outside the description. Room to wagonimics it late game. I feel its much less likely to be Mafia given how hard that could curve the game. 4v9 with a +1 vote on the 4 on this setup could translate to a N1 win.
Doctor Typical for site meta. More likely for a town role. Easy cover claim. Late game crunch mechanics to verify heals
Lookout Interesting that it breaks OoO. Slightly more likely a town role
Vet Compulsive is huge. A town player with this role should be VERY conscious of the way they are seen. Claiming is a mixed idea and its probably gona be one of the most difficult roles in the game to play. If you are town and less confident could claim early to prevent TvT. Equity for a jester level move as Mafia (although from balance I think its less likely given that it would hard leverage a player and be easy to mechanically corner)
Survivalist Cool twist on cit. Offsets the PR heavy lineup. More likely to be town as a role but also likely to be a cover claim
Vig Not much to say outside the description. Obvious play implications. Holstering may be the better play as town given BG and Vet exist but odds matter. 4/13 is a 30% shot. Math a tiny bit and make judgements based on game situation.
Grave Digger Lots of potential. Interesting nerf in the vanalize functions that makes me feel its more likely in the game. Pretty much the only thing to consider for actions imo. Slight lean for it to be a Mafia role.
Jailor Typical for site meta. Pushes advantage for no-lynch. Jailor should also consider jailing to communicate. Notable lack of protection on jailing. Equal equity in Mafia or Town and likely to be in game for one side or the other.
Networker Chats. Would be good to do them always. Also dumping logs as a reveal to self confirm at some point can be a HUGE benefit to town confirming and a lot of roles can play off knowing that reveal. Very neutral role
Bus Driver Typical for site meta. No feedback to the swapped people should be noted. More likely to be mafia for setup balance imo.
BG Potential for cross killing TvT. Probably best to stick to the hard obvitown group view for town. Mafia Bodyguard is interesting but imo unlikely for balance
Sheriff Typical for site meta. Seed well. (On this I suggest we start claiming checks each day. Breadcrums post flip reads which this site does poorly.) My N0 check was P4 Ewianking as cit (Value to doing it each day. Would not trust it end game but real value early/mid)

You haven't said anything about my role tho

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Greetings.

If you are referring to my low activity so far, as I said I'll be more active in the following hours so this should be corrected. Also I appreciate when people ask me questions. I'm rereading the thread rn. Haven't had much time to play yesterday.

I hate posts like "Hey, look at me, I am available!" when they do not fit with a general attitude. This just feels dishonest. See next quote...

As to why so little votes in general, how would I know that? People are feeling too shy to vote?

Dismissive/sort of weirdly defensive attitude towards a simple exhortation to do something, as opposed to, you know... doing something.

Evil plot?

Is this a scum slip? Are you evil?

I don't think I need to explain how this is a crappy, lazy attempt at looking "solvy". It also does not look like a joke, before someone claims that's what it is. Also note that all the posts I'm quoting were made in direct succession; it is to be expected that this post would be some kind of attempt at reading people, placing votes, etc.

You haven't said anything about my role tho

...aaand?

I do not like Lawyer here.

^ probably them, especially in the final stanza

[SuperJack]

I have to agree, we need to vote powerofdeath out

-vote powerofdeath

[Helz]

Looks like I fail with colors at 4am. Is what it is~

[SuperJack]

Sup Helz

[Helz]

I needs more sleep.

Mechanically I am expecting a 4p mafia with a sleeper mixed in. Aeroyi and powerofdeath get mech passes from me for the day.

If you spot what I did earlier dont call it out : )

[SuperJack]

Im just glad I dont have to take action at night

[Helz]

Im just glad I dont have to take action at night

Its too bad though. You are the action hero~

Congrats on the new kiddo btw. Cracked me up how true what you said was.


My personal view for the day is we policy unless Horkos shows up and we have confidence given both Mafia and Town get blocked from killing by lynch and we can have greater optics on the situation D2

[oliverz144]

EOD1 Votecount:

Phraze (2):
Marshmallow Marshall, jmw

powerofdeath (1):
SuperJack

Helz (1):
Phraze

jmw (1):
Auwt

Auwt (1):
Gikkle

SuperJack (1):
Aeoryi

ewianking (1):
Helz


A majority was NOT reached.
Nobody was executed.

Night 1 will last until Thursday, 6th of February, 4PM Washington DC time.
Remember to send in Your Actions by then!

[oliverz144]

Night 1 has ended!
MM has Died:
MM was a Rectangle

[oliverz144]

guys, help me out, how do i reset the vote count?

[oliverz144]

Night 2 has ended.
powerofdeath died.
Phraze died.

[oliverz144]

Night 3 has ended.
Aeoryi, Ewianking and The Lawyer have died.

[jmw]

Night 3 has ended.
Aeoryi, Ewianking and The Lawyer have died.

wtf

sorry for being afk for so long. Btw, I was in another network chat last night with Ewian, Gikkle, and Lawyer.

[SuperJack]

Yeah I totally noticed >->

[SuperJack]

Cant wait for @Phraze

[Phraze]

Cant wait for @Phraze

Present.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Present.

-vote Phraze

Mhm? And? There is at the very least something to discuss beyond your presence.

[SuperJack]

-vote Phraze

Mhm? And? There is at the very least something to discuss beyond your presence.

Phraze is either all or nothing.

Praise be Phraze.

[powerofdeath]

Spoiler : ISO :

Present.

This was hilarious (did I comment on that? I don't think so).

Reading.

Okay so

Nice to finally play a forum game with Helz. Many words.

Oh yikes, everyone uses dark mode here.

I wanted to vote but didn't know how you do it here.

-vote SuperJack ??

Actually wait...
-vote Helz

-vote SuperJack

Thank you! My first vote of the day.

-vote Helz

Not a fan of role-fishing, but no strong opinion. Different sites, different meta.

Ew, dark mode. But oh well.

Role-fish as in finding out who has what roles. Also, is this my first time playing with you?

Hi, I'm kinda here now. Thoughts?

That would be interesting.

I generally throw my weight/vote around for RVS and see what sticks.

I have been playing on MU lately, but my homesite is MyAnimeList (inactive).

Hmm. I feel comfortable with this post.

Oh yes.. I think I remember you now. Vaguely.

Tryhard.

So I will probably not be around EOD.

Helz posts a lot.
SuperJack I wanna say T but, reservations for now.
Gikkle seems to be the kinda player I have trouble reading.
Marshmellow seems adamant on pushing me. Meh.

No impression from everyone else.

This is someone who is not really trying at all this game. A lot of their posts feel like theyre in RVS stage and is trying to stay there.
They voted Helz and just left, saying they wont be back.
They got defensive when MM push him and called him "tryhard".

I'm okay yeeting this slot but meh nothing about this guy scream scum either.

[Helz]

This is someone who is not really trying at all this game. A lot of their posts feel like theyre in RVS stage and is trying to stay there.
They voted Helz and just left, saying they wont be back.
They got defensive when MM push him and called him "tryhard".

I'm okay yeeting this slot but meh nothing about this guy scream scum either.

The biggest thing I noted on them was the lack of recognizing roles are known. I fully expect Mafia players to have had conversations on that. For them to understand that, WIFOM the assumptions town would make and intentionally fake ignorance would be a pretty calculating play that does not match the effort they have put into D1 so I find it unlikely.

This view does have the bad bit of me assuming both that Mafia are active / discussing mechanics and that Phraze would be actively participating in that chat but its largely why moved away from voting them.

[powerofdeath]

The biggest thing I noted on them was the lack of recognizing roles are known. I fully expect Mafia players to have had conversations on that. For them to understand that, WIFOM the assumptions town would make and intentionally fake ignorance would be a pretty calculating play that does not match the effort they have put into D1 so I find it unlikely.

This view does have the bad bit of me assuming both that Mafia are active / discussing mechanics and that Phraze would be actively participating in that chat but its largely why moved away from voting them.

from my experience hosting with mafia chats is that inactive players tend to make their mafia chat also quite inactive while active players will spam the chat nonstop

[The Lawyer]

The biggest thing I noted on them was the lack of recognizing roles are known. I fully expect Mafia players to have had conversations on that. For them to understand that, WIFOM the assumptions town would make and intentionally fake ignorance would be a pretty calculating play that does not match the effort they have put into D1 so I find it unlikely.

This view does have the bad bit of me assuming both that Mafia are active / discussing mechanics and that Phraze would be actively participating in that chat but its largely why moved away from voting them.

You say that faking ignorance would be a calculating play that doesn't match the effort they have put into D1.

How would you know whether Phraze is faking ignorance or not? Faking ignorance is not that hard to do when you play scum. So this is definitely not something that he should be cleared for.

Also you said that Phraze would be actively participating in chat. This, again, is something that you can't really assume. You make such invalid arguments and people just believe you and let it be without questioning. I am not happy with this. I'm a bit disappointed with town because they all just blindly believe your arguments, probably because it looks like you're helping town with your talk on mechanics, while you're actually just confusing them with it.

[SuperJack]

Maybe you should start voting if you are wanting to policy

[Helz]

Maybe.

I rarely hit RVS with my vote and the LOOOOOONG signup period has me soft on the trigger. Hoping everyone pops in and we get a good game with a super cool concept.

[SuperJack]

Urge to keep talking to Helz to make them stay awake.

Hows life as a GraveDigger?

[Auwt]

I'm not entirely sure what Helz meant by "claiming" in his role-stat-balance post. Since the role list is public, I would have thought there wouldn't be much need for players to claim their roles, which makes his point somewhat unclear to me.

[SuperJack]

I'm not entirely sure what Helz meant by "claiming" in his role-stat-balance post. Since the role list is public, I would have thought there wouldn't be much need for players to claim their roles, which makes his point somewhat unclear to me.

What an odd way to enter, how have you made your post feel like you are already partaking in conversation. Post just feels unnatural

[Helz]

Yeah, Read the setup before I signed like half a year or whatever ago. Then drafted that up after the host messaged me on my PC. D1 hit and the host post reminded me the open role concept was a thing but decided to post it anyways. Figured there was a potential for someone to FOS me getting the game rolling but apparently it was a good bit too absurd and you guys know my bullshit too well : )
I was proud about how I had seeded my role in there though flipping the bolding and color code. Woulda been a cool thing to point to late game in the right situation.

I do feel that Mayor mechanically does not make sense to be Mafia. At the end of the day Mafia is a game that centers on vote power, not lives. If we look at a world where Mayor is Mafia:

4 Mafia 9 Town with Mayor Mafia its 5v9 in votes D1.
Mafia also has some buffs in less feedback for town + the factional not taking up an action.

Misslynch D1, N1 factional kill, mafia kill, and town kill hitting town we would walk into D2 with a Mafia win having votes locked up 5v5.

That would simply be difficult to balance around imo. Looking at the roles I have difficulty thinking of how things could be moved around to fit Mayor into the scum team.

Pretty much my reasoning for "D1 POD gets a mech pass" but I am open to hearing if others disagree and see a decent setup balance with a mafia mayor.

For Aeroyi a BG Mafia would feel slightly BM. Independent of balance I just don't see it as 'fun.' While something like a Mafia Sheriff would be effectively a citizen who visits the function of visiting could provide for interesting day cover, the BG mechanically would be acting against its win con in action. This is simply because the value of a wolf is greater than the value of a townie and even taking out a vig your removing 1kpn potential thats shooting into a pool with negative odds at success. In the world where a Mafia BG hits a Town Vig the Mafia drops in ratio of vote control and eliminates a town role that will more likely than not kill townies.
I feel like the roles alignment was very much not randomized in this game and a part of me doubts a host would hand that situation to a player. 'But' crazier things have happened.
I did mention I expect some kinda sleeper on the mafia team. Feels like they would have 'some' low impact role given the 4v9, factional killer can still act, and town is nerfed in feedback.

So yeah, Im feeling D1 POD and Aeroyi are off the table.

[Gikkle]

Yeah, Read the setup before I signed like half a year or whatever ago. Then drafted that up after the host messaged me on my PC. D1 hit and the host post reminded me the open role concept was a thing but decided to post it anyways. Figured there was a potential for someone to FOS me getting the game rolling but apparently it was a good bit too absurd and you guys know my bullshit too well : )
I was proud about how I had seeded my role in there though flipping the bolding and color code. Woulda been a cool thing to point to late game in the right situation.

I do feel that Mayor mechanically does not make sense to be Mafia. At the end of the day Mafia is a game that centers on vote power, not lives. If we look at a world where Mayor is Mafia:

4 Mafia 9 Town with Mayor Mafia its 5v9 in votes D1.
Mafia also has some buffs in less feedback for town + the factional not taking up an action.

Misslynch D1, N1 factional kill, mafia kill, and town kill hitting town we would walk into D2 with a Mafia win having votes locked up 5v5.

That would simply be difficult to balance around imo. Looking at the roles I have difficulty thinking of how things could be moved around to fit Mayor into the scum team.

Pretty much my reasoning for "D1 POD gets a mech pass" but I am open to hearing if others disagree and see a decent setup balance with a mafia mayor.

For Aeroyi a BG Mafia would feel slightly BM. Independent of balance I just don't see it as 'fun.' While something like a Mafia Sheriff would be effectively a citizen who visits the function of visiting could provide for interesting day cover, the BG mechanically would be acting against its win con in action. This is simply because the value of a wolf is greater than the value of a townie and even taking out a vig your removing 1kpn potential thats shooting into a pool with negative odds at success. In the world where a Mafia BG hits a Town Vig the Mafia drops in ratio of vote control and eliminates a town role that will more likely than not kill townies.
I feel like the roles alignment was very much not randomized in this game and a part of me doubts a host would hand that situation to a player. 'But' crazier things have happened.
I did mention I expect some kinda sleeper on the mafia team. Feels like they would have 'some' low impact role given the 4v9, factional killer can still act, and town is nerfed in feedback.

So yeah, Im feeling D1 POD and Aeroyi are off the table.

does the setup not specifically specify that the roles + alignments are randomized

why are you solving with the assumption that oliver hand picked the setup

unless... you have some reason to believe that to be the case? hm?

[Gikkle]

does the setup not specifically specify that the roles + alignments are randomized

why are you solving with the assumption that oliver hand picked the setup

unless... you have some reason to believe that to be the case? hm?

or conversely you're trying to get town to lower their guard and not worry about the potential of losing a little earlier than expected

pod/helz team mayhaps?