No reason to hide that anymore I suppose.
I'm not letting arrow in to lylo, and I'm not voting out DK because for one I also don't want that to be a miss and be stuck with achro on a weird Mylo that we certainly aren't winning
The fact is Mac hasn't caught a wolf yet, and that bothers me even if they will probably call this shade
If arrow is a wolf I'm probably lunching Mac first, if arrow is town, I'm voting DK/MM
Because uve both have had very terrible reactions in this thread
Also if we do vote out arrow and achro isn't removed from the game, we just always kill him tmr
I do agree with DK that Mac going from one day wanting to help achro to today not wanting to help him, is super fucking weird, even from a Mac and probably just out right wolfy
The only way I could ever see myself voting DK today is if they admit they can never see me as town, then w/e their alignment is, is irrelevant because I can't achieve my town wincon if they always have plans of voting me
And honestly they are already making a subpar vot for what its worth, but I don't omgus, because town can be wrong even though I still partially think this isn't really town DK based on previous handling of MM and Mac
Like there are just so many scenarios
I don't particularly think have of have been particularly townie except maybe Stellar, and ultra is literally ghosting us for another game, but like they are just town by mech so it's w/e. As long as the vote properly idc. And of course achro who I think is not in his wolf meta
And the fact of the matter is, we've killed one wolf that wolves thought was likely town or 3p
I'm safe, hells yeah
Wow there has been nothing since I woke up earlier, time to populate thread
First thing's first I guess. Supposedly, Achro leaves thread tomorrow assuming Ikarus survives. Do scum kill Ikarus to prevent that? I'd imagine not, because they'd be leaving Ultra alive and preventing Achro from winning through that condition. This leaves Achro in thread who now wants to eliminate the mafia for not letting him win. Assuming Arrow is Mafia, it'd be stupid for Mafia to support a miselim on Wisp only to go and shoot Ikarus when Achro wanted to elim Arrow in the first place. (This is assuming the team isn't Wisp+Arrow).
But the main takeaway imo is that it'd be stupid for Mafia to shoot Ikarus, thus whether we eliminate Arrow or Wisp today doesn't really make a difference in terms of Achro's win condition.
I have more to say on this in a minute
Regardless of who you vote for, at this stage of the game, you've got to have some sort of justification for doing so, especially when you could accidentally be causing a hammer. As long as it's your own justification, even if it's wrong or flawed, at least you have your own justification and reason.
I like ikarus's post here (#2134) because he's calling out mac for declaring that he'll just go along with Achro's mark. He also already made this case against Wisp (#215 so I'll just talk about Mac. He replies to Ikarus' post here (#217. Mac is saying that Achro is unlikely to pick someone who isn't Mafia, thus it's worth it to resolve both Achro's slot and whoever Achro wishes to pursue.
The reason I personally don't like this is because his premise that Achro is unlikely to pick someone that isn't Mafia is flawed. Compared to everyone else, Achro actually has the lowest chance to pick a Mafia out of all of us. For town, we have ourselves and Achro to exclude from whoever we decide to pursue. For Mafia, well obviously they know each other. Achro has no one to exclude but himself. He's got it no better than anyone in selecting Mafia to mark.
But, y'know, for what it's worth, Achro has only shown a willingness to help us solve, just so long as he's getting closer to fulfilling his win condition. So why wouldn't he be trying to solve? Sheeping him seems like a sound strategy. But that's my main point. Mac is essentially just sheeping Achro. Achro's competent, maybe he's got a good grip on who Mafia are this game. But mac, you're competent, too. Ya did great in champs and all that. Why not come to your own sol-
Oh. He's now voting Ikarus now, and not Arrow like he said he would. (#2185) Just a couple of posts ago, he said don't touch Ikarus until f3. Maybe there's a good reason for this. Let's see...
(#2183). (#2184). Okay, so he establishes Ikarus as one of the f3 with me and Ultra. Sounds good. Then next post poses a world where Arrow is town and Ikarus snowed him. Not.. sure where this came from. But, okay. Tinfoil, let's gooo. Says Arrow is likely to just flip town and we all go wow! Omg! But I don't understand that at all. Weren't you saying you wouldn't mind Arrow being flipped? And what about Achro's mark? I thought it was worth flipping Arrow here. But now you're pre-flipping Arrow town. I don't really understand. But now you seem convinced that the team is MM/Ikarus, and you're voting Ikarus, the person Achro needs alive to win. I don't get it. I don't even get the connection between MM and Ikarus here. Maybe there's a world where that's possible, and Ikarus faked the carol and put his scummate MM in it. But that's risky; Ikarus would've gotten a lot more mileage out of putting just towns in the carol. And Ikarus has been towny this whole game. You even thought so during lrevious day phases too. I feel like you're coming to the conclusion that Ikarus is scum and you're not doing a very good job at selling it to me. The reason seems half-baked and you're going back on things you said earlier today and also seem to forsake things said in previous days.
Ikarus' reply to you (#2192) points out that pre-flipping Arrow the way you are comes off as TMI, and I have to agree. Maybe you've just given in to tinfoil or something but whatt makes it look worse is the defense of Wisp. Wisp hasnt been that wolfy to you and you usually find Wisp if that slot is a wolf. This is a meta reason, it doesn't really mean much to begin with. But suddenly it makes your post (#2183) look like TMI on Arrow and you're proposing an alternate wagon (Ikarus) to counteract the Wisp wagon because Wisp is your teammate.
(Also I like #2200 MM's defense)
Don't sorry me
Not sure how I became the optimal mislynch here
So 3 active players think me a town is a wolf, the 3p thinks I am town, arrow isn't playing the game and the dude in the poe thinks I am town
Beautiful for my sanity, ohh ya ultra is also ghosting the game
Enjoy playing this Mylo with the people that dont exist
Meh that's boring I can't vote myself
Anyways I'm still vanilla town
I'm not gunna bother looking at this thread until thr next phase if I don't die
Two games in a row where I get accused of being teamed with someone and wrongly voted
Also for what it'd worth if the wolf team is me and max, we are voting arrow, he isn't creating a new wagon when we know ahcro is gaurenteed tk vote arrow, but ur guys aren't reading for that convo
And if ur gunna call Mac a wolf, then vote him
But town is not winning the game if u think wolves might not kill town!ikarus which will fuck us
Just kill arrow that literally hasn't done anything and stop voting with the attention of trying to force teams
Don't mistake yourself Wisp. You're already individually scummy.
Yeah, Arrow ain't doing a thang. Still the lowest poster.
You ain't doing anything either. Your posts are nothingburger. You're a top poster. Why?
NGL to you. My first reaction to this post when I read it as I was waking up (therefore not in the best of minds), was that you are distancing yourself while still voting out arrow, and i don't think i'd ever buy that acrho isn't a neutral that will leave the game tonight or tomorrow.
But now that its been some time since I woke up.
Could you think of as to why mac changed his view so suddenly in your opinion?
I view everyone as potential evils.
If mac hand't acted out, I think I probably would've let that slide till tomorrow without realising it.
But now that he's been questioned, he reacted really badly imo.
I just have to realise what his motives are, and what caused him to think that way.
I mean that's what they said about me last game as they proceeded to mislynch my losing the game
I'm extremely self aware of everything I do, even more so when I'm a wolf
Thr vote on me is stupid, your vote on me is even worse cause uve seen my wolf game
There isnt an argument for why I am a wolf except for the fact I don't solve to ur image, but twice now I've been in a game now where town has failed to find wolves, and I'm not motivated enough to br that guy who hunts them down myself, I'd rather play off everyone else. And we finallt caught a wolf who had no tmi, and I'm accused of having tmi
I have haven't had any of these silly reactions thag MM/DK/Arrow have had
You u specifically want to vote outside of thag poe, when it's gaurenteed to contain a wolf, because thinking me and Mac are both wolves is fucking illogical
Don't insult my mafia game
U act like I didn't already define many wolves teams, so arguing I haven't done anything is silly, and if thays ur arguement anyways you so just kill arrow who has done even less if that's the metric
If I self vote it's to put us in lylo, rather than me be the fucking mislynch that loses us the game that literally just happened a week ago, this isn't some skill-less, petty play.
Always has a wolf
Figure out who that wolf is
I'm going to sleep and I'm not coming back except to vote
Of which will only be in the above PoE
u could also have reaffirmed the thoughts on why instead of this response
and no, i dont have to reassess anything, its up to everyone else to find me, not for me to help you find me
which is also interesting, because my wolf game has been known for being super self-aware
Kuti was a lazy vote, but i had reason to believe they could be wolf regardless, because one, them not playing anymore wasnt anything relevant to their alignent
i voted them mainly because i knew they werent coming back
so maybe u should be more selfaware
arrow is specifcally playing in a way that is low posting with no reason to be doing so, unlike Kuti, thats why they are wolfy, and they have reactions that have been hella wolfy
same as mm and DK
all of which can be with arrow, a long side mac
Is this why it's 2nd game in a row? Do you just not handle pressure well?
do u want me to link path of radiance, here, knock yourself out
Path Of Radiance