S-FM 350: Chaotic Executioner

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes I've already submitted the jail.

I'm going to be working this afternoon after EoD so I can only join the jail chat later tonight

I’m on EST time.

[powerofdeath]

Skip Day (2): Nancy Drew 39, Zenon
Zenon (3): ikarusdk, MartinGG99, Varcron

Zenon was voted to death.

Their role is Vanilla Town.

[powerofdeath]

Night 6 has begun!

Night 6 end on Tuesday, 8:00 PM EST. Click here for reference to when Night 6 end.

Please submit your night actions at least 30 minutes before the deadline, all actions will be locked 30 minutes before the deadline.

If you have any questions, do not hesitate to DMs me on Discord or via the website.

Player List:

1. Stellaria - Vanilla Mafia - Shot by Zenon Day 5
2. Gikkle - Chaotic Executioner - Voted out Day 3.
3. Loldebite - Town Caroler - Killed Night 4
4. BusterCannon Varcron
5. ItalianoVD - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 2
6. Nancy Drew 39
7. Frinckles - Mafia Bomb - Voted out Day 4
8. Auwt - Illusionist(Chosen) and Tailor(Gifted) Jester - Voted out Day 2.
9. MartinGG99
10. yoshida - Town Gunsmith - Voted out Day 5
11. ikarusdk
12. Renegade - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 5
13. Clemensthelemon JeremiahSablan Zenon - Vanilla Town - Voted out Day 6

White = Alive, Color = Dead with role/alignment/gifted role reveal This list will be updated as game start to unfold.

[powerofdeath]

Day 7 has begun!

Varcron was found dead last night. Their role is Vanilla Town.

Player List:

1. Stellaria - Vanilla Mafia - Shot by Zenon Day 5
2. Gikkle - Chaotic Executioner - Voted out Day 3.
3. Loldebite - Town Caroler - Killed Night 4
4. BusterCannon Varcron - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 6
5. ItalianoVD - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 2
6. Nancy Drew 39
7. Frinckles - Mafia Bomb - Voted out Day 4
8. Auwt - Illusionist(Chosen) and Tailor(Gifted) Jester - Voted out Day 2.
9. MartinGG99
10. yoshida - Town Gunsmith - Voted out Day 5
11. ikarusdk
12. Renegade - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 5
13. Clemensthelemon JeremiahSablan Zenon - Vanilla Town - Voted out Day 6

White = Alive, Color = Dead with role/alignment/gifted role reveal This list will be updated as game start to unfold.

Day 7 end on Thursday, 8:00 PM EST. Click here for reference to when Day 7 end.

[MartinGG99]

I think we all have a tough day ahead of us

so no matter who wins here I think we've all played preety well


I will be making posts with my thoughts later (probably less than 10 hours from now or something like that) on various points, but honestly even the points I looked over during the night didn't appear anywhere near definitive from a neutral perspective. Which is just insane.

It depends on how Nancy values them in the end though, I guess.

-vote Ikarusdk

[powerofdeath]

I think we all have a tough day ahead of us

so no matter who wins here I think we've all played preety well


I will be making posts with my thoughts later (probably less than 10 hours from now or something like that) on various points, but honestly even the points I looked over during the night didn't appear anywhere near definitive from a neutral perspective. Which is just insane.

It depends on how Nancy values them in the end though, I guess.

-vote Ikarusdk

Sorry forgot to reset vote count for the 100th time

[MartinGG99]

zomg how did martin know when to pop back in as soon as the votes were reset

what a telepathic-hacker-weirdo-thing

-vote ikarusdk

[ikarusdk]

I think we all have a tough day ahead of us

so no matter who wins here I think we've all played preety well


I will be making posts with my thoughts later (probably less than 10 hours from now or something like that) on various points, but honestly even the points I looked over during the night didn't appear anywhere near definitive from a neutral perspective. Which is just insane.

It depends on how Nancy values them in the end though, I guess.

-vote Ikarusdk

Honestly I think we did our best with what we were given.

I won't even be mad about losing to Martin, his game is too towny for me to nip pick at anything honestly, amd the only reason why I am certain it is Martin is because of mech reasons.

I must say though, I am pretty tired so I kinda wouldn't mind if hammering was enabled to finish the day early and I'm sure people in graveyard would like to know the result too.

I went over Martins ISO last night and I did not find anything. I am not good enough to find inconsistencies or scum points in anything he had said.

I salute you.

-vote MartinGG99

[ikarusdk]

His plan to pull me to 2v1 Mylo situation was well done.

In hindsight I think I was too transparent in figuring that out, and perhaps if I had kept quiet about it he would've killed me instead of renegade so that's one regret I have

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah @ikarusdk , we ain’t rushing this. 😂

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m going to post our chat and get Martin’s reaction to it to start.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Room contains 21 KB. Click here to view previous contentikarusdk: town10:29 PM
ikarusdk: and the whole reason for talking about why martin killed ren10:29 PM
ikarusdk: is literally what im thinking happened as we started chatting to each other10:30 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Okay but you’re saying that Martin killed Ren > you because he was in Ren’s PoE but you still tr him more than me after that? See my confusion?10:30 PM
ikarusdk: i TR martin all game that did not change10:30 PM
ikarusdk: since jailing him night 210:31 PM
ikarusdk: whatever the reason why ren was killed10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is just my speculation as to why10:31 PM
ikarusdk: and the reason why i TR martin more10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is because we shared the similar world view all game10:31 PM
ikarusdk: and the VERY REASON10:31 PM
ikarusdk: im saying martin is SCUM10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is if you are cleared10:32 PM
ikarusdk: which im saying is waht's gonna happen10:32 PM
ikarusdk: because you were keen to be jailed10:32 PM
ikarusdk: im not sure if im explaining correctly10:32 PM
ikarusdk: im working at the same time10:32 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m extremely glad you jailed me.10:32 PM
Nancy Drew 39: I thought this would be in discord.10:33 PM
ikarusdk: let me rephrease. I TR Martin all game. I did not TR you, you were at most townlean for me. I strongly believed Zenon was last scum. But JK you was so i can ensure you are clear. If youa re cleared from another NK happen, then there's only Martin left10:33 PM
ikarusdk: I did not consider renegades read because I did not agree10:33 PM
ikarusdk: and as to my speculation why Ren was killed10:34 PM
ikarusdk: i had to guess that after you asked10:34 PM
ikarusdk: but that was consistent to my suspicion as to why im alive10:34 PM
ikarusdk: so it's quite believable imo10:34 PM
ikarusdk: probably good it's not on discord so our chat cannot be edited/deleted10:36 PM
Nancy Drew 39: But if you had died instead of Ren,if it’s Martin, then he knew you could clear me.10:36 PM
ikarusdk: Also im not saying that the exactly reason martin killed ren was because martin was higher in poe than me10:36 PM
Nancy Drew 39: He had you just below Martin.10:37 PM
Nancy Drew 39: So what other reasons do you think Martin killed Ren?10:38 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Oh I guess that makes sense - discord.10:38 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well I will try to do some rereading of the game in the next 21 or so hours.10:39 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Anything you think would hrlp me to,decide would be extremely helpful.10:40 PM
ikarusdk10:42 PM
so i need to think further why ren died instead of me but lets leave that for later.
Let's have the facts first. Ren was killed instead of me. I am Jailor of unknown alignment.
By killing Ren instead of me, I suspect that the scum was trying to frame me for the lynch. Because if the town had lynched me, then there is no more JK, no more ICs.
But I pointed this out because varcron and I talked about the possibility of me being alive. We both agreed the only reason would be to frame me.
So after I pointed this out, the last scum could not use this to push me because then I'd realise they are the scum.
So instead of lynching me yesterday, they lynched Zenon (the consensus scum vote)
Now Martin agrees that I JK you. His plan is to kill Varcron tonight, I jail keep you, consequently clear you from being scum because varcron died.
Then it's a thunderdome between Martin and I tomorrow at MYLO.

ikarusdk: now i personally belive you are town because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you were scum - because if you were, you'd know you can't commit a kill so you are outed tomorrow anyway10:43 PM
ikarusdk: HENCE why I now believe Martin is the last scum10:43 PM
ikarusdk: Also by leaving me alive till the last day in MYLO, it's easier to miseliminate a POWER ROLE that should not be alive10:43 PM
Nancy Drew 39: But yiou do know Martin will try to make similar arrangements to me tomorrow.10:44 PM
ikarusdk: at this point, if varcron dies tonight10:44 PM
ikarusdk: my vote is on martin10:44 PM
ikarusdk: i will shield you with my life10:44 PM
Nancy Drew 39: So it’s up to me to try to figure out whom I think has the best case.10:45 PM
ikarusdk: basically yes10:45 PM
ikarusdk: but i know it's unfair pressure on you tho10:45 PM
ikarusdk: so let me tell you this10:45 PM
ikarusdk: i really don't care if we lose10:45 PM
ikarusdk: we tried10:45 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well, I will be IC obviously.10:45 PM
ikarusdk: and it's unfair for one person to be the deciding vote10:45 PM
ikarusdk: IF martin makes a better case on me tomorrow10:46 PM
ikarusdk: and i fail to defend myself10:46 PM
ikarusdk: i won't blame anyone but myself10:46 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well if it’s Martin, you should care very much. I do.10:46 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m aware it’s now 100% on me to decide.10:47 PM
ikarusdk: but right now,,,,,since i had martin my top TR10:47 PM
ikarusdk: i don't know how i can make a case against him10:47 PM
Nancy Drew 39: I will do my brst diligence to vote correctly and weigh tye arguments.10:48 PM
ikarusdk: ye that's all i can ask for and tbh i wouldn't be mad if we lose because that just means town did not play well enough + mafia did well10:48 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well, he will obviously be trying to do that to you.10:48 PM
ikarusdk: yup. and i will try go voer his ISO10:50 PM
Nancy Drew 39: If there are aby posts you cqn think of for me to look at. that you think might be helpful, pleqee link them for me .10:50 PM
ikarusdk: and see if i can pick something10:50 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Because both of you are going to try and convince me it’s the other.10:51 PM
ikarusdk: ye i will have to re-evaluate the whole read so10:53 PM
ikarusdk: might take some time10:53 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Okay, can you ping me? Idk how this chat works.10:54 PM
Nancy Drew 39: @powerofdeath , does pinging work on here?10:54 PM
ikarusdk: i don't think so10:57 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well it’s almost 11:00 pm my time now, so if yiu give me qn idea, I can check back.10:58 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Sorry for all the typos.10:59 PM
ikarusdk: im just working so i can't really spend time there but ill leave comments here for you to look if i find things11:00 PM
ikarusdk: feel free to leave the chat and come back tomrrow11:00 PM
Nancy Drew 39: We have until 8:00pm11:01 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yeah I think I will. Thanks, I appreciate it,11:01 PM
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[Nancy Drew 39]

Room contains 21 KB. Click here to view previous contentikarusdk: town10:29 PM
ikarusdk: and the whole reason for talking about why martin killed ren10:29 PM
ikarusdk: is literally what im thinking happened as we started chatting to each other10:30 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Okay but you’re saying that Martin killed Ren > you because he was in Ren’s PoE but you still tr him more than me after that? See my confusion?10:30 PM
ikarusdk: i TR martin all game that did not change10:30 PM
ikarusdk: since jailing him night 210:31 PM
ikarusdk: whatever the reason why ren was killed10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is just my speculation as to why10:31 PM
ikarusdk: and the reason why i TR martin more10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is because we shared the similar world view all game10:31 PM
ikarusdk: and the VERY REASON10:31 PM
ikarusdk: im saying martin is SCUM10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is if you are cleared10:32 PM
ikarusdk: which im saying is waht's gonna happen10:32 PM
ikarusdk: because you were keen to be jailed10:32 PM
ikarusdk: im not sure if im explaining correctly10:32 PM
ikarusdk: im working at the same time10:32 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m extremely glad you jailed me.10:32 PM
Nancy Drew 39: I thought this would be in discord.10:33 PM
ikarusdk: let me rephrease. I TR Martin all game. I did not TR you, you were at most townlean for me. I strongly believed Zenon was last scum. But JK you was so i can ensure you are clear. If youa re cleared from another NK happen, then there's only Martin left10:33 PM
ikarusdk: I did not consider renegades read because I did not agree10:33 PM
ikarusdk: and as to my speculation why Ren was killed10:34 PM
ikarusdk: i had to guess that after you asked10:34 PM
ikarusdk: but that was consistent to my suspicion as to why im alive10:34 PM
ikarusdk: so it's quite believable imo10:34 PM
ikarusdk: probably good it's not on discord so our chat cannot be edited/deleted10:36 PM
Nancy Drew 39: But if you had died instead of Ren,if it’s Martin, then he knew you could clear me.10:36 PM
ikarusdk: Also im not saying that the exactly reason martin killed ren was because martin was higher in poe than me10:36 PM
Nancy Drew 39: He had you just below Martin.10:37 PM
Nancy Drew 39: So what other reasons do you think Martin killed Ren?10:38 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Oh I guess that makes sense - discord.10:38 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well I will try to do some rereading of the game in the next 21 or so hours.10:39 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Anything you think would hrlp me to,decide would be extremely helpful.10:40 PM
ikarusdk10:42 PM
so i need to think further why ren died instead of me but lets leave that for later.
Let's have the facts first. Ren was killed instead of me. I am Jailor of unknown alignment.
By killing Ren instead of me, I suspect that the scum was trying to frame me for the lynch. Because if the town had lynched me, then there is no more JK, no more ICs.
But I pointed this out because varcron and I talked about the possibility of me being alive. We both agreed the only reason would be to frame me.
So after I pointed this out, the last scum could not use this to push me because then I'd realise they are the scum.
So instead of lynching me yesterday, they lynched Zenon (the consensus scum vote)
Now Martin agrees that I JK you. His plan is to kill Varcron tonight, I jail keep you, consequently clear you from being scum because varcron died.
Then it's a thunderdome between Martin and I tomorrow at MYLO.

ikarusdk: now i personally belive you are town because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you were scum - because if you were, you'd know you can't commit a kill so you are outed tomorrow anyway10:43 PM
ikarusdk: HENCE why I now believe Martin is the last scum10:43 PM
ikarusdk: Also by leaving me alive till the last day in MYLO, it's easier to miseliminate a POWER ROLE that should not be alive10:43 PM
Nancy Drew 39: But yiou do know Martin will try to make similar arrangements to me tomorrow.10:44 PM
ikarusdk: at this point, if varcron dies tonight10:44 PM
ikarusdk: my vote is on martin10:44 PM
ikarusdk: i will shield you with my life10:44 PM
Nancy Drew 39: So it’s up to me to try to figure out whom I think has the best case.10:45 PM
ikarusdk: basically yes10:45 PM
ikarusdk: but i know it's unfair pressure on you tho10:45 PM
ikarusdk: so let me tell you this10:45 PM
ikarusdk: i really don't care if we lose10:45 PM
ikarusdk: we tried10:45 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well, I will be IC obviously.10:45 PM
ikarusdk: and it's unfair for one person to be the deciding vote10:45 PM
ikarusdk: IF martin makes a better case on me tomorrow10:46 PM
ikarusdk: and i fail to defend myself10:46 PM
ikarusdk: i won't blame anyone but myself10:46 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well if it’s Martin, you should care very much. I do.10:46 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m aware it’s now 100% on me to decide.10:47 PM
ikarusdk: but right now,,,,,since i had martin my top TR10:47 PM
ikarusdk: i don't know how i can make a case against him10:47 PM
Nancy Drew 39: I will do my brst diligence to vote correctly and weigh tye arguments.10:48 PM
ikarusdk: ye that's all i can ask for and tbh i wouldn't be mad if we lose because that just means town did not play well enough + mafia did well10:48 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well, he will obviously be trying to do that to you.10:48 PM
ikarusdk: yup. and i will try go voer his ISO10:50 PM
Nancy Drew 39: If there are aby posts you cqn think of for me to look at. that you think might be helpful, pleqee link them for me .10:50 PM
ikarusdk: and see if i can pick something10:50 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Because both of you are going to try and convince me it’s the other.10:51 PM
ikarusdk: ye i will have to re-evaluate the whole read so10:53 PM
ikarusdk: might take some time10:53 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Okay, can you ping me? Idk how this chat works.10:54 PM
Nancy Drew 39: @powerofdeath , does pinging work on here?10:54 PM
ikarusdk: i don't think so10:57 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well it’s almost 11:00 pm my time now, so if yiu give me qn idea, I can check back.10:58 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Sorry for all the typos.10:59 PM
ikarusdk: im just working so i can't really spend time there but ill leave comments here for you to look if i find things11:00 PM
ikarusdk: feel free to leave the chat and come back tomrrow11:00 PM
Nancy Drew 39: We have until 8:00pm11:01 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yeah I think I will. Thanks, I appreciate it,11:01 PM
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[Nancy Drew 39]

@MartinGG9

Can you read that? I don’t know how to make it show up better.

Ikarus, maybe you can do it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@MartinGG99

[Nancy Drew 39]

Didn’t mean to post that twice, I thought that the site suddenly got buggy or something.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Whichever one of you is town, here, you need to help me with this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I guess I’ll keep checking back. Hopefully you both make your cases, because rn , I don’t really have much to interact with.

[ikarusdk]

Room contains 21 KB. Click here to view previous contentikarusdk: town10:29 PM
ikarusdk: and the whole reason for talking about why martin killed ren10:29 PM
ikarusdk: is literally what im thinking happened as we started chatting to each other10:30 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Okay but you’re saying that Martin killed Ren > you because he was in Ren’s PoE but you still tr him more than me after that? See my confusion?10:30 PM
ikarusdk: i TR martin all game that did not change10:30 PM
ikarusdk: since jailing him night 210:31 PM
ikarusdk: whatever the reason why ren was killed10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is just my speculation as to why10:31 PM
ikarusdk: and the reason why i TR martin more10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is because we shared the similar world view all game10:31 PM
ikarusdk: and the VERY REASON10:31 PM
ikarusdk: im saying martin is SCUM10:31 PM
ikarusdk: is if you are cleared10:32 PM
ikarusdk: which im saying is waht's gonna happen10:32 PM
ikarusdk: because you were keen to be jailed10:32 PM
ikarusdk: im not sure if im explaining correctly10:32 PM
ikarusdk: im working at the same time10:32 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m extremely glad you jailed me.10:32 PM
Nancy Drew 39: I thought this would be in discord.10:33 PM
ikarusdk: let me rephrease. I TR Martin all game. I did not TR you, you were at most townlean for me. I strongly believed Zenon was last scum. But JK you was so i can ensure you are clear. If youa re cleared from another NK happen, then there's only Martin left10:33 PM
ikarusdk: I did not consider renegades read because I did not agree10:33 PM
ikarusdk: and as to my speculation why Ren was killed10:34 PM
ikarusdk: i had to guess that after you asked10:34 PM
ikarusdk: but that was consistent to my suspicion as to why im alive10:34 PM
ikarusdk: so it's quite believable imo10:34 PM
ikarusdk: probably good it's not on discord so our chat cannot be edited/deleted10:36 PM
Nancy Drew 39: But if you had died instead of Ren,if it’s Martin, then he knew you could clear me.10:36 PM
ikarusdk: Also im not saying that the exactly reason martin killed ren was because martin was higher in poe than me10:36 PM
Nancy Drew 39: He had you just below Martin.10:37 PM
Nancy Drew 39: So what other reasons do you think Martin killed Ren?10:38 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Oh I guess that makes sense - discord.10:38 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well I will try to do some rereading of the game in the next 21 or so hours.10:39 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Anything you think would hrlp me to,decide would be extremely helpful.10:40 PM
ikarusdk10:42 PM
so i need to think further why ren died instead of me but lets leave that for later.
Let's have the facts first. Ren was killed instead of me. I am Jailor of unknown alignment.
By killing Ren instead of me, I suspect that the scum was trying to frame me for the lynch. Because if the town had lynched me, then there is no more JK, no more ICs.
But I pointed this out because varcron and I talked about the possibility of me being alive. We both agreed the only reason would be to frame me.
So after I pointed this out, the last scum could not use this to push me because then I'd realise they are the scum.
So instead of lynching me yesterday, they lynched Zenon (the consensus scum vote)
Now Martin agrees that I JK you. His plan is to kill Varcron tonight, I jail keep you, consequently clear you from being scum because varcron died.
Then it's a thunderdome between Martin and I tomorrow at MYLO.

ikarusdk: now i personally belive you are town because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you were scum - because if you were, you'd know you can't commit a kill so you are outed tomorrow anyway10:43 PM
ikarusdk: HENCE why I now believe Martin is the last scum10:43 PM
ikarusdk: Also by leaving me alive till the last day in MYLO, it's easier to miseliminate a POWER ROLE that should not be alive10:43 PM
Nancy Drew 39: But yiou do know Martin will try to make similar arrangements to me tomorrow.10:44 PM
ikarusdk: at this point, if varcron dies tonight10:44 PM
ikarusdk: my vote is on martin10:44 PM
ikarusdk: i will shield you with my life10:44 PM
Nancy Drew 39: So it’s up to me to try to figure out whom I think has the best case.10:45 PM
ikarusdk: basically yes10:45 PM
ikarusdk: but i know it's unfair pressure on you tho10:45 PM
ikarusdk: so let me tell you this10:45 PM
ikarusdk: i really don't care if we lose10:45 PM
ikarusdk: we tried10:45 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well, I will be IC obviously.10:45 PM
ikarusdk: and it's unfair for one person to be the deciding vote10:45 PM
ikarusdk: IF martin makes a better case on me tomorrow10:46 PM
ikarusdk: and i fail to defend myself10:46 PM
ikarusdk: i won't blame anyone but myself10:46 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well if it’s Martin, you should care very much. I do.10:46 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m aware it’s now 100% on me to decide.10:47 PM
ikarusdk: but right now,,,,,since i had martin my top TR10:47 PM
ikarusdk: i don't know how i can make a case against him10:47 PM
Nancy Drew 39: I will do my brst diligence to vote correctly and weigh tye arguments.10:48 PM
ikarusdk: ye that's all i can ask for and tbh i wouldn't be mad if we lose because that just means town did not play well enough + mafia did well10:48 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well, he will obviously be trying to do that to you.10:48 PM
ikarusdk: yup. and i will try go voer his ISO10:50 PM
Nancy Drew 39: If there are aby posts you cqn think of for me to look at. that you think might be helpful, pleqee link them for me .10:50 PM
ikarusdk: and see if i can pick something10:50 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Because both of you are going to try and convince me it’s the other.10:51 PM
ikarusdk: ye i will have to re-evaluate the whole read so10:53 PM
ikarusdk: might take some time10:53 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Okay, can you ping me? Idk how this chat works.10:54 PM
Nancy Drew 39: @powerofdeath , does pinging work on here?10:54 PM
ikarusdk: i don't think so10:57 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Well it’s almost 11:00 pm my time now, so if yiu give me qn idea, I can check back.10:58 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Sorry for all the typos.10:59 PM
ikarusdk: im just working so i can't really spend time there but ill leave comments here for you to look if i find things11:00 PM
ikarusdk: feel free to leave the chat and come back tomrrow11:00 PM
Nancy Drew 39: We have until 8:00pm11:01 PM
Nancy Drew 39: Yeah I think I will. Thanks, I appreciate it,11:01 PM
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Hope this fixes

[ikarusdk]

Nope. Let me try it again

[Nancy Drew 39]

It worked for both Martin and Yoshida, so probably he should know.

[ikarusdk]

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ikarusdk: and the whole reason for talking about why martin killed ren2:29 PM

ikarusdk: is literally what im thinking happened as we started chatting to each other2:30 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Okay but you’re saying that Martin killed Ren > you because he was in Ren’s PoE but you still tr him more than me after that? See my confusion?2:30 PM

ikarusdk: i TR martin all game that did not change2:30 PM

ikarusdk: since jailing him night 22:31 PM

ikarusdk: whatever the reason why ren was killed2:31 PM

ikarusdk: is just my speculation as to why2:31 PM

ikarusdk: and the reason why i TR martin more2:31 PM

ikarusdk: is because we shared the similar world view all game2:31 PM

ikarusdk: and the VERY REASON2:31 PM

ikarusdk: im saying martin is SCUM2:31 PM

ikarusdk: is if you are cleared2:32 PM

ikarusdk: which im saying is waht's gonna happen2:32 PM

ikarusdk: because you were keen to be jailed2:32 PM

ikarusdk: im not sure if im explaining correctly2:32 PM

ikarusdk: im working at the same time2:32 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m extremely glad you jailed me.2:32 PM

Nancy Drew 39: I thought this would be in discord.2:33 PM

ikarusdk: let me rephrease. I TR Martin all game. I did not TR you, you were at most townlean for me. I strongly believed Zenon was last scum. But JK you was so i can ensure you are clear. If youa re cleared from another NK happen, then there's only Martin left2:33 PM

ikarusdk: I did not consider renegades read because I did not agree2:33 PM

ikarusdk: and as to my speculation why Ren was killed2:34 PM

ikarusdk: i had to guess that after you asked2:34 PM

ikarusdk: but that was consistent to my suspicion as to why im alive2:34 PM

ikarusdk: so it's quite believable imo2:34 PM

ikarusdk: probably good it's not on discord so our chat cannot be edited/deleted2:36 PM

Nancy Drew 39: But if you had died instead of Ren,if it’s Martin, then he knew you could clear me.2:36 PM

ikarusdk: Also im not saying that the exactly reason martin killed ren was because martin was higher in poe than me2:36 PM

Nancy Drew 39: He had you just below Martin.2:37 PM

Nancy Drew 39: So what other reasons do you think Martin killed Ren?2:38 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Oh I guess that makes sense - discord.2:38 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well I will try to do some rereading of the game in the next 21 or so hours.2:39 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Anything you think would hrlp me to,decide would be extremely helpful.2:40 PM

ikarusdk2:42 PM

so i need to think further why ren died instead of me but lets leave that for later.
Let's have the facts first. Ren was killed instead of me. I am Jailor of unknown alignment.
By killing Ren instead of me, I suspect that the scum was trying to frame me for the lynch. Because if the town had lynched me, then there is no more JK, no more ICs.
But I pointed this out because varcron and I talked about the possibility of me being alive. We both agreed the only reason would be to frame me.
So after I pointed this out, the last scum could not use this to push me because then I'd realise they are the scum.
So instead of lynching me yesterday, they lynched Zenon (the consensus scum vote)
Now Martin agrees that I JK you. His plan is to kill Varcron tonight, I jail keep you, consequently clear you from being scum because varcron died.
Then it's a thunderdome between Martin and I tomorrow at MYLO.

ikarusdk: now i personally belive you are town because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you were scum - because if you were, you'd know you can't commit a kill so you are outed tomorrow anyway2:43 PM

ikarusdk: HENCE why I now believe Martin is the last scum2:43 PM

ikarusdk: Also by leaving me alive till the last day in MYLO, it's easier to miseliminate a POWER ROLE that should not be alive2:43 PM

Nancy Drew 39: But yiou do know Martin will try to make similar arrangements to me tomorrow.2:44 PM

ikarusdk: at this point, if varcron dies tonight2:44 PM

ikarusdk: my vote is on martin2:44 PM

ikarusdk: i will shield you with my life2:44 PM

Nancy Drew 39: So it’s up to me to try to figure out whom I think has the best case.2:45 PM

ikarusdk: basically yes2:45 PM

ikarusdk: but i know it's unfair pressure on you tho2:45 PM

ikarusdk: so let me tell you this2:45 PM

ikarusdk: i really don't care if we lose2:45 PM

ikarusdk: we tried2:45 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well, I will be IC obviously.2:45 PM

ikarusdk: and it's unfair for one person to be the deciding vote2:45 PM

ikarusdk: IF martin makes a better case on me tomorrow2:46 PM

ikarusdk: and i fail to defend myself2:46 PM

ikarusdk: i won't blame anyone but myself2:46 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well if it’s Martin, you should care very much. I do.2:46 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m aware it’s now 100% on me to decide.2:47 PM

ikarusdk: but right now,,,,,since i had martin my top TR2:47 PM

ikarusdk: i don't know how i can make a case against him2:47 PM

Nancy Drew 39: I will do my brst diligence to vote correctly and weigh tye arguments.2:48 PM

ikarusdk: ye that's all i can ask for and tbh i wouldn't be mad if we lose because that just means town did not play well enough + mafia did well2:48 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well, he will obviously be trying to do that to you.2:48 PM

ikarusdk: yup. and i will try go voer his ISO2:50 PM

Nancy Drew 39: If there are aby posts you cqn think of for me to look at. that you think might be helpful, pleqee link them for me .2:50 PM

ikarusdk: and see if i can pick something2:50 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Because both of you are going to try and convince me it’s the other.2:51 PM

ikarusdk: ye i will have to re-evaluate the whole read so2:53 PM

ikarusdk: might take some time2:53 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Okay, can you ping me? Idk how this chat works.2:54 PM

Nancy Drew 39: @powerofdeath , does pinging work on here?2:54 PM

ikarusdk: i don't think so2:57 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well it’s almost 11:00 pm my time now, so if yiu give me qn idea, I can check back.2:58 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Sorry for all the typos.2:59 PM

ikarusdk: im just working so i can't really spend time there but ill leave comments here for you to look if i find things3:00 PM

ikarusdk: feel free to leave the chat and come back tomrrow3:00 PM

Nancy Drew 39: We have until 8:00pm3:01 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Yeah I think I will. Thanks, I appreciate it,3:01 PM

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[MartinGG99]

well, I can read it, but as the post itself says in the first line that's not the full chat log

what I did (on pc) was make sure the whole chat history was available to me and then manually select it all from beginning to end, ctrl+c, and then ctrl+v where I wanted to paste it

also that thing that says "click here to view previous content" is actually a link to the chat itself so I could enter it if I wanted to but I strongly suspect that's some level of illegal given the rules on host communication lmao so I won't enter it

I'll be around in an hour or so to start working on my contributions and reading what's posted so far of the log. I want to finish up my daily quests stuff in Aliens: Fireteam Elite first.

[MartinGG99]

With a little bit of Microsoft Word magic to remove any BBcode, and added the [ noparse ] and [ /noparse ] commands to it (which prevents BBcode from being detected wtihin the no-parse BBcode and just reads BBcode as plain text) for any remaining BBcode, it should look completely normal now and look much more readable for anyone who wants to read that mess. Again, as per the first message, it indicates that the full chat log was not copied to here. I'll get to actually reading it now.

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ikarusdk: town10:29 PM

ikarusdk: and the whole reason for talking about why martin killed ren10:29 PM

ikarusdk: is literally what im thinking happened as we started chatting to each other10:30 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Okay but you’re saying that Martin killed Ren > you because he was in Ren’s PoE but you still tr him more than me after that? See my confusion?10:30 PM

ikarusdk: i TR martin all game that did not change10:30 PM

ikarusdk: since jailing him night 210:31 PM

ikarusdk: whatever the reason why ren was killed10:31 PM

ikarusdk: is just my speculation as to why10:31 PM

ikarusdk: and the reason why i TR martin more10:31 PM

ikarusdk: is because we shared the similar world view all game10:31 PM

ikarusdk: and the VERY REASON10:31 PM

ikarusdk: im saying martin is SCUM10:31 PM

ikarusdk: is if you are cleared10:32 PM

ikarusdk: which im saying is waht's gonna happen10:32 PM

ikarusdk: because you were keen to be jailed10:32 PM

ikarusdk: im not sure if im explaining correctly10:32 PM

ikarusdk: im working at the same time10:32 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m extremely glad you jailed me.10:32 PM

Nancy Drew 39: I thought this would be in discord.10:33 PM

ikarusdk: let me rephrease. I TR Martin all game. I did not TR you, you were at most townlean for me. I strongly believed Zenon was last scum. But JK you was so i can ensure you are clear. If youa re cleared from another NK happen, then there's only Martin left10:33 PM

ikarusdk: I did not consider renegades read because I did not agree10:33 PM

ikarusdk: and as to my speculation why Ren was killed10:34 PM

ikarusdk: i had to guess that after you asked10:34 PM

ikarusdk: but that was consistent to my suspicion as to why im alive10:34 PM

ikarusdk: so it's quite believable imo10:34 PM

ikarusdk: probably good it's not on discord so our chat cannot be edited/deleted10:36 PM

Nancy Drew 39: But if you had died instead of Ren,if it’s Martin, then he knew you could clear me.10:36 PM

ikarusdk: Also im not saying that the exactly reason martin killed ren was because martin was higher in poe than me10:36 PM

Nancy Drew 39: He had you just below Martin.10:37 PM

Nancy Drew 39: So what other reasons do you think Martin killed Ren?10:38 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Oh I guess that makes sense - discord.10:38 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well I will try to do some rereading of the game in the next 21 or so hours.10:39 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Anything you think would hrlp me to,decide would be extremely helpful.10:40 PM

ikarusdk10:42 PM
so i need to think further why ren died instead of me but lets leave that for later.
Let's have the facts first. Ren was killed instead of me. I am Jailor of unknown alignment.
By killing Ren instead of me, I suspect that the scum was trying to frame me for the lynch. Because if the town had lynched me, then there is no more JK, no more ICs.
But I pointed this out because varcron and I talked about the possibility of me being alive. We both agreed the only reason would be to frame me.
So after I pointed this out, the last scum could not use this to push me because then I'd realise they are the scum.
So instead of lynching me yesterday, they lynched Zenon (the consensus scum vote)
Now Martin agrees that I JK you. His plan is to kill Varcron tonight, I jail keep you, consequently clear you from being scum because varcron died.
Then it's a thunderdome between Martin and I tomorrow at MYLO.

ikarusdk: now i personally belive you are town because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you were scum - because if you were, you'd know you can't commit a kill so you are outed tomorrow anyway10:43 PM

ikarusdk: HENCE why I now believe Martin is the last scum10:43 PM

ikarusdk: Also by leaving me alive till the last day in MYLO, it's easier to miseliminate a POWER ROLE that should not be alive10:43 PM

Nancy Drew 39: But yiou do know Martin will try to make similar arrangements to me tomorrow.10:44 PM

ikarusdk: at this point, if varcron dies tonight10:44 PM

ikarusdk: my vote is on martin10:44 PM

ikarusdk: i will shield you with my life10:44 PM

Nancy Drew 39: So it’s up to me to try to figure out whom I think has the best case.10:45 PM

ikarusdk: basically yes10:45 PM

ikarusdk: but i know it's unfair pressure on you tho10:45 PM

ikarusdk: so let me tell you this10:45 PM

ikarusdk: i really don't care if we lose10:45 PM

ikarusdk: we tried10:45 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well, I will be IC obviously.10:45 PM

ikarusdk: and it's unfair for one person to be the deciding vote10:45 PM

ikarusdk: IF martin makes a better case on me tomorrow10:46 PM

ikarusdk: and i fail to defend myself10:46 PM

ikarusdk: i won't blame anyone but myself10:46 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well if it’s Martin, you should care very much. I do.10:46 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Yes, I’m aware it’s now 100% on me to decide.10:47 PM

ikarusdk: but right now,,,,,since i had martin my top TR10:47 PM

ikarusdk: i don't know how i can make a case against him10:47 PM

Nancy Drew 39: I will do my brst diligence to vote correctly and weigh tye arguments.10:48 PM

ikarusdk: ye that's all i can ask for and tbh i wouldn't be mad if we lose because that just means town did not play well enough + mafia did well10:48 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well, he will obviously be trying to do that to you.10:48 PM

ikarusdk: yup. and i will try go voer his ISO10:50 PM

Nancy Drew 39: If there are aby posts you cqn think of for me to look at. that you think might be helpful, pleqee link them for me .10:50 PM

ikarusdk: and see if i can pick something10:50 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Because both of you are going to try and convince me it’s the other.10:51 PM

ikarusdk: ye i will have to re-evaluate the whole read so10:53 PM

ikarusdk: might take some time10:53 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Okay, can you ping me? Idk how this chat works.10:54 PM

Nancy Drew 39: powerofdeath, does pinging work on here?10:54 PM

ikarusdk: i don't think so10:57 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Well it’s almost 11:00 pm my time now, so if yiu give me qn idea, I can check back.10:58 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Sorry for all the typos.10:59 PM

ikarusdk: im just working so i can't really spend time there but ill leave comments here for you to look if i find things11:00 PM

ikarusdk: feel free to leave the chat and come back tomrrow11:00 PM

Nancy Drew 39: We have until 8:00pm11:01 PM

Nancy Drew 39: Yeah I think I will. Thanks, I appreciate it,11:01 PM

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[MartinGG99]

Based on the limited chat history I see, Ikar tries to puts his slate as jailor clean but I don't really think so even from a logical perspective.

From Ikar's perspective yesterday as town jailor, the scum is among Zenon/Martin/Nancy and Zenon is likely to be voted out. If zenon is mafia, then any jailing he does what-so-ever is pointless. Therefore, the jail action must be taken with the consideration of either who's more likely to be scum among Nancy/Martin or jailing whoever will most likely grant town the win.

I think a town jailor, especially with one like Ikar who puts a lot of effort into the game, would've jailed me despite saying they'll jail Nancy. The whole point of being open to jailing Nancy, fmpov, was to read Nancy based on how receptive they were to the idea and they very much were so towards the end of the day (which they were). Additionally, from Ikar's view as town, if they believe Nancy is mafia, then jailing me should help ensure that Nancy gets chopped no matter who Nancy kills. As he has stated himself, he and I share very similar world views and have had similar suspects for most of the game. It would be unsurprising, I would imagine for most peoples' perspectives, if I voted Nancy in a Nancy vs Ikarus F3. Especially when I've TR'ed him a lot in the past.

[ikarusdk]

Based on the limited chat history I see, Ikar tries to puts his slate as jailor clean but I don't really think so even from a logical perspective.

From Ikar's perspective yesterday as town jailor, the scum is among Zenon/Martin/Nancy and Zenon is likely to be voted out. If zenon is mafia, then any jailing he does what-so-ever is pointless. Therefore, the jail action must be taken with the consideration of either who's more likely to be scum among Nancy/Martin or jailing whoever will most likely grant town the win.

I think a town jailor, especially with one like Ikar who puts a lot of effort into the game, would've jailed me despite saying they'll jail Nancy. The whole point of being open to jailing Nancy, fmpov, was to read Nancy based on how receptive they were to the idea and they very much were so towards the end of the day (which they were). Additionally, from Ikar's view as town, if they believe Nancy is mafia, then jailing me should help ensure that Nancy gets chopped no matter who Nancy kills. As he has stated himself, he and I share very similar world views and have had similar suspects for most of the game. It would be unsurprising, I would imagine for most peoples' perspectives, if I voted Nancy in a Nancy vs Ikarus F3. Especially when I've TR'ed him a lot in the past.

It is true that I had considered jailing you instead of Nancy. However, I quickly put that idea aside because

1. I believed if Zenon was not a mafia, Nancy was more likely to be rather than you.
2. If I had jailed Nancy, and there was no kill, today we would've lynched Nancy.
3. If I were to jail you instead (and I had considered Nancy to be less townier between you two), then Nancy would've been forced to commit NK between you and I. In that case, I die in either case because all actions against jailed target is redirected to me. Then the town loses from the night kill as it results in 1v1.

These are the reasons why I had jailed Nancy instead.

[MartinGG99]

I also don't believe the argument that Ren was killed to frame Ikarus is substantiated.

Ikarus has been praised by Lumi in past games where Ikarus was town. There's no way I, as mafia, would do something to frame Ikarus and think that be enough not only to chop Ikarus but also make myself look completely innocent for doing a U-Turn on one of my most significant TRs of the game. There would have to be more to it. The Ren kill was something I looked at last night, and I think killing Ren was an attempt to frame me (the irony) while also leaving things as open as possible for a Nancy and Zenon chop.

Nancy if you are scum, well fucking played and you deserve a win.

Same with Zenon for firing that shot.

Scum can just concede. Otherwise we win.

I am not. I think it’s almost certainly Yoshida.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No way you and Zenon are ever scum.

If not Yoshida, then I think Varcron based on the buster play d2.

Stellaria > Yoshida > Varcron > MartinGG99 > ikarusdk > Zenon> Loldebite/Nancy Drew 39/Renegade

Note in particular how I'm earlier in the order of chops than Ikarusdk. With respect to opening up the possibility of chops on Zenon and Nancy, it probably benefits both mafia worlds of Martin or Ikarus, but the kill here can be made to look like it benefited me more because of my position on Renegade's PoE.

[MartinGG99]

I also don't believe the argument that Ren was killed to frame Ikarus is substantiated.

Ikarus has been praised by Lumi in past games where Ikarus was town. There's no way I, as mafia, would do something to frame Ikarus and think that be enough not only to chop Ikarus but also make myself look completely innocent for doing a U-Turn on one of my most significant TRs of the game. There would have to be more to it. The Ren kill was something I looked at last night, and I think killing Ren was an attempt to frame me (the irony) while also leaving things as open as possible for a Nancy and Zenon chop.



Note in particular how I'm earlier in the order of chops than Ikarusdk. With respect to opening up the possibility of chops on Zenon and Nancy, it probably benefits both mafia worlds of Martin or Ikarus, but the kill here can be made to look like it benefited me more because of my position on Renegade's PoE.

Looking at the same quote more, I think it especially frames me and I think Ikarus comment about being framed was an attempt to be on the defensive and look better for it because he feared that I may turn on him for the Renegade kill. Because, of course, he would know that I am town and there would be a mild to significant possibility I would look at Ikarus in the situation that Both Yoshida and Varcron flip or get proven as that would then show Ikarus was Renegade's top suspect in such a situation in my POV.

I hope that word soup was not too terrible. A lot of perspective shifting there.

[MartinGG99]

3. If I were to jail you instead (and I had considered Nancy to be less townier between you two), then Nancy would've been forced to commit NK between you and I. In that case, I die in either case because all actions against jailed target is redirected to me. Then the town loses from the night kill as it results in 1v1.

Town doesn't lose, as I was talking about the previous day phase. We literally lost Varcron last night.

Varcron would probably still die though as killing you would reveal them as mafia in a Martin(jailed)/Nancy/Varcron(clear) scenario.

[MartinGG99]

Actually re-reading that point #3 from you, I'm half-sure your brain was half-functioning while writing it.

If you're staying up, get some sleep. I'd much rather lose or win against an opponet who has a healthy amount of sleep :P.

[ikarusdk]

Town doesn't lose, as I was talking about the previous day phase. We literally lost Varcron last night.

Varcron would probably still die though as killing you would reveal them as mafia in a Martin(jailed)/Nancy/Varcron(clear) scenario.

ah yes I completely forgot about that fact. My bad. That makes my points moot there.

[ikarusdk]

Actually re-reading that point #3 from you, I'm half-sure your brain was half-functioning while writing it.

If you're staying up, get some sleep. I'd much rather lose or win against an opponet who has a healthy amount of sleep :P.

I just finished work, so yes I was not thinking straight XD

[MartinGG99]

Re-read the whole chat log thing.

Don't think there's anything left for me to comment on or magnify, so show me the earlier parts of the chat when either of you guys can. Should be able to do it by clicking the "click here to view previous content" in the Chatzy.

[MartinGG99]

I'm gonna go look through the ISOs of Frinckles and Stellaria. I've looked at them before during the night, and while I do think there are a few posts here or there to support the idea that I'm unaligned with them and Ikarus is aligned with them, I think most of them are really indeterminable. Goes to show that it isn't just me or Ikarus who played well, but also the rest of the mafia team.

I'll be sharing the ones that I find are in support of my position.

[MartinGG99]

I think most of them are really indeterminable and some may even look bad for me.

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[MartinGG99]

Oh and that reminds me

I would like to re-iterate that mafia Frinckles going toe-to-toe with CE Gikkle makes much less sense from my position if I am mafia rather than Ikarus' position as mafia.

I identified with fairly high certainty that Gikkle was CE, but if I were mafia I would've shared that among my team and may even have hid it. Reason being, in a Martin/Frinckles/Stellaria world the only mafia PR is a bomb. All other PRs would be town and thus that points Gikkle to be in favor of mafia by a lot, and even so, if Frinckles gets suspected enough to get shot or killed by a town PR or the like he'll take down a town with him. At most what we could've gotten from the gambit is outing caroler but even then it does not seem to have been worth it from the mafia's perspective.

In an Ikarus/Frinckles/Stellaria world though, two of the PRs are mafia and one of them is a friggin jailor. CE has a decent possiblity of pressuring them, and given Gikkle's carol claim, it makes Gikkle appear as a decent enough threat to the mafia worth pressuring or taking down. Frinckles makes the crazy play of fake-claiming the real caroler in order to pressure gikkle into a chop while also potentially outing the real (town) caroler. Again, if Frinckles gets shot or killed, he is bomb.

@Nancy Drew 39 I would suggest reading the early parts of that day (day 3), like the first 300 posts or so if I recall correctly, and noting how I called out gikkle before the whole mess began. In the timeline of events and the facts of the time, I am certain the mafia's play on that day is much more beneficial if Ikarus is the 3rd mafia rather than me. I can also make specific quotes if you so wish, but I thought it may be more convincing to you if you saw it for yourself.

Also apparently the Night 2 post link in OP does not work. So here is the link to Day 3.

[MartinGG99]

Also don't forget that throwing out Gikkle cost the mafia a factional night kill as well.

[MartinGG99]

Looking through Frinckle ISO now. Currently looking at mentions of me by him, and posting what I think shows me as unaligned with them.

Martin is one of the last players here to be considered lhf and yet he keeps getting thrown into these PoEs for not writing his signature wallposts

wat

I mean poe is sorta justified but that specific bit for throwing me into poe is not

Nobody specifically gave that reason. It was just kind of a joke about your play.

From what I've seen it's mostly just people comparing your normal activity. Everybody wants to play with Martin.

This is the sort of conversation that probably would happen in mafia chat rather than publicly. Relying on a teammate's public description of the suspicions against me is also dubious to do as a wolf. If I were a wolf, I would address the arguments more directly instead of hearing and responding to it from someone else's (and in particular, a mafia's) mouth. This bit of alleged theater is just silly if nothing else.

[MartinGG99]

I think

I shall sheep

-vote yoshida

in an ideal world of this being mafia then I find this immensely helpful for reasons beyond just the mafia flip

if town then something something forbidden info yeet reasoning

if 3p then....ok ig

we're switching to auwt in 10 minutes.

this is less about what Frinckles says but rather what I did

I sheeped Frinckles onto Yoshida based on the below post (some of it cut out by me) by Frinckles

sheeping a mafia's vote onto a town is a bad look and it could have been anticipated that Frinckles was going to get himself under suspicion at some point because the mafia may want to take advantage of his Bomb ability. So if I were Mafia here I would be knowingly condemning myself to a bad vote and furthermore beyond just sheeping reasons I also said it was for info yeet -- in other words voting someone just so you can see the flip -- something of which some people tend to scum-read others for. I'm putting myself in a potentially very bad spot here for the future, and knowingly so.

A lot of this is probably already pointed out by some players.

The obvious thing standing out about Yoshida is the Old English Jester rhetoric. I'm less inclined to believe that's just a Jester having fun and more inclined to believe it's scum obfuscating the way they speak to get engaged in the game and brush off any cognitive dissonance. I've done it before as Mafia (Punchy) and some other random personality I invented when I rolled 3P; It's very helpful.

The Gunsmith vote, I actually was inclined to give a pass to and say that it's just a fun thing to throw into a game, but if we're objectively talking about the most pro-town roles to select here (as many of us were) gunsmith is the last thing on the planet to add here. Also Yoshida never changed to another role after the fact.

Yoshida/Ikarus is probably never W/W which makes me feel better about switching over to Yoshida and I've been digging Ikarus' responses to Loldebite a little. If Yoshida actually rolled Jester this game, I'd rather they get a win than us lynching an AFK clem jester.

-vote yoshida

[MartinGG99]

Because I didn't carol you, so I can assure you that you're full of shit.

One of these days I'll learn you like hinting your roles. I feel like this is the third game now I've had where you've cleverly hinted your role and I was completely blind to it.

-vote Gikkle

you didn't like my caroler code thing in all caps? :P

Again, more on my part that is unaligned with Frinckles. Frinckles decided at one point to start hinting caroler and then claim Gikkle was lying about the carol, which is quite likely communicated in mafia chat. Such a move has big consequences, just re-read my earlier post about how it was such a big deal and it being a big deal makes it more likely that Ikarus is the mafia rather than me.

Me being completely oblivious to Frinckles' hints earlier about his upcomming caroler claim just goes to show that if I were somehow mafia, I wasn't paying attention to mafia chat. If you knew me, you would know that I have my discord open at all times and often read mafia chat as soon as messages pop up in there. Assuming mafia chat is even in discord....it very likely is as the Host was in the KRC where it was also done in discord, but come to think of it, it would be preety funny if it was run in a Chatzy like the jail chats lmao.

Below is one of the biggest hints that Frinckles dropped that he was claiming Caroler. This was around 7 hours before he revealed (much more directly) that he was counter-claiming Gikkle's recieved-carol claim. Plenty of time to let mafia chat know, and its possible that this was decided upon even before this post.

WHOEVER IS CAROLER, CODE TO US BY VOTING INCORRECTLY AND THEN VOTING CORRECTLY. YOU CAROLED SOMEONE SUS.

Just kidding, don't code. I'll figure it out

[MartinGG99]

I wouldn't worry about frinckles tbh

form what I've read of them so far they haven't seemed like controlling the game or attempting to control it (I think someone used the word dismissive earlier in one of my skims) that tends to appear in their recent scum games

if like Frinckles becomes the last longer-time player here then that's when to be concerned, or at least I think people will read frinckles better if they look at his play on the whole later in the game presuming frinckles is still alive

Speaking of things I did, it also reminded me another thing that I remembered last night.

I gave a really good way of reading Frinckles away early in the game (see bolded), and in fact would almost become too useful for the town the use in reading Frinckles since Frinckles was mafia bomb (and therefore at risk of mafia deciding to put him into risky situations to make use of it).

[MartinGG99]

Well, as far as I'm aware, a witch or bus driver hasn't claimed. If they don't claim, and you die as town, they're probably just mafia. At which point, if we're certain they're mafia, we can just mass claim PR or not-PR and box wolves out of the game.

If you flip town, it'll also show Frinckles as likely town since if he was mafia he would've just given the carol to the soon-to-be-dead Itiliano or a mafia PR that was doing something -- if there is a mafia PR.

If you flip exe then it doesn't really show anything determinable other than, if you were fake-claiming like you might now, you were acting against town interests.

If you flip mafia then that's good.

Well, as far as I'm aware, a witch or bus driver hasn't claimed. If they don't claim, and you die as town, they're probably just mafia. At which point, if we're certain they're mafia, we can just mass claim PR or not-PR and box wolves out of the game.

If you flip town, it'll also show Frinckles as likely town since if he was mafia he would've just given the carol to the soon-to-be-dead Itiliano or a mafia PR that was doing something -- if there is a mafia PR.

If you flip exe then it doesn't really show anything determinable other than, if you were fake-claiming like you might now, you were acting against town interests.

If you flip mafia then that's good.

your jailer didn't say who they were?

An attempt at distancing from Ikarus by looking unkowing.

Also looks silly to say to me if I'm mafia since I can just tell him in mafia chat lmao.

[MartinGG99]

ah frick I messed up the quotes

had copied an extra onto there, ignore the first one

[MartinGG99]

annnnnd for rest of the game, Frinckles barely mentions or interacts with me and when he starts doing that again its on the day that we're discussing who of Frinckles/Yoshida should die first.

He tries pairing me both to Ikarus and to Stellaria, both of his mafia temmates (if you presume I'm town) likely in an effort to obfuscate who is the real mafia team.

hey man, easy with the cuss words. it's memorial day.

anyway. Yoshida + Ikarus + Martin makes some sense. You'll figure it out (if you're not the wildcard slot)

actually. scum!stellaria > scum!martin

go with that.

[MartinGG99]

Anyways, I've said enough for now. I'll give Nancy time to read and respond. If not much else, later I'll do Stellaria's interactions with me and then do both Stellaria's and Frinckle's interactions and mentions of Ikarus.

I should note that, if I recall correctly, Stellaria's interactions with me are less favorable. I also don't think I make any solidly positive interactions with or statements about Stellaria. The quotes that I've shown from Frinckles are probably among the best in showing that I am unaligned from Stellaria/Frinckles, and stuff from Stellaria are going to be murkier if not supportive of Ikarus' argument here.

I likely will be back around 10 to 11 pm EST. So a few hours after the mid-point of this day, and there-after I'll be much more available till game-end.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Based on the limited chat history I see, Ikar tries to puts his slate as jailor clean but I don't really think so even from a logical perspective.

From Ikar's perspective yesterday as town jailor, the scum is among Zenon/Martin/Nancy and Zenon is likely to be voted out. If zenon is mafia, then any jailing he does what-so-ever is pointless. Therefore, the jail action must be taken with the consideration of either who's more likely to be scum among Nancy/Martin or jailing whoever will most likely grant town the win.

I think a town jailor, especially with one like Ikar who puts a lot of effort into the game, would've jailed me despite saying they'll jail Nancy. The whole point of being open to jailing Nancy, fmpov, was to read Nancy based on how receptive they were to the idea and they very much were so towards the end of the day (which they were). Additionally, from Ikar's view as town, if they believe Nancy is mafia, then jailing me should help ensure that Nancy gets chopped no matter who Nancy kills. As he has stated himself, he and I share very similar world views and have had similar suspects for most of the game. It would be unsurprising, I would imagine for most peoples' perspectives, if I voted Nancy in a Nancy vs Ikarus F3. Especially when I've TR'ed him a lot in the past.

I don’t know if I agree with this? This only makes sense if I was scum and I would have hard tunnelled Ikarus as either alignment had he not jailkept me after committing to it. I also doubt that scum!mr would have held his feet to the fire like I did and demanded confirmation, because that would also be scum suicide. I really don’t understand how you’re not seeing that? Iow, I would not have tried to lock that jn as scum for very obvious reasons.

So sorry but I think what you’re saying here makes absolutely no sense to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Notes:

Frinkles #519

I'm not really fully convinced that Frinckles doesn't understand what I'm trying to accomplish with my plan. The tone almost makes it seem like a wolfslip but that's just conjecture. And anyway I'm not sure about my reads at this point.

ikarusdk #520

I dunno if I like the idea that the only think ikarus can contribute here is talking about himself being scumread, but work is NAI. I want to think that there's better uses of his time than that, but for me Day 1 and 2 were kind of similar. The only real information we had to go off of is how people voted for which role, as well as social cues, but as I've said before, I'm better at mechanical deduction than I am social cues. But I'll try my best for this post. Also, I really don't like the last part of the post. What I got from it is that ikarus will no longer contribute to discussion if he keeps getting scumread for a reason he disagrees with (he's not contributing enough or he's lacking conviction or whatever)

Gikkle #523

If it was a spectator chat this post would read as a tinfoil but I don't really know if that's what Gikkle is going for here. The quote immediate after calling attention to the big thinking face might seem like a subtle scum thing to repeat the idea in the reader's mind but I think it comes off genuine enough for me to not really give it any second thought. It's clear from this post that Gikkle scumreads both Renegade and Buster. I'm kind of chill with the Renegade scumread but I really don't know how I feel about Buster!wolf. Unless he's going the way of openwolf, I'm pretty sure Buster is most likely just a Jester or a Chaotic Executioner.

post notes: Okay so now that I know Auwt flipped Jester, maybe Gikkle's post had a lot more merit to it than I thought. Going back to the post, you could argue that Renegade did some further distancing in his two posts right after Gikkle's.

Italiano #528 and #529

Italiano flipped town, so looking at these posts makes me wonder. Classic scum tactics would be to kill someone once they give you a townread. The post right after with the whole Ikarus/Frinckles thing is another point of interest for me. I could see a scum world where there's a wolf among Italiano's townreads and possibly one between Ikarus and Frinckles, too. Given my last game, I'm really not confident in my thoughts here. I guess I kind of wish I looked more into Carrot's actual reads last game so that I could've gotten a feel for how to look back on a dead town's reads and make use of them. But in any case, I guess I'm satisfied where I'm at. Based on what I've written above, and where I've left off before it, I think maybe the right PoE is Buster, Renegade, Ikarusdk, and Frinckles. I don't know if it's appropriate to have a large PoE. To me it seems like the larger my PoE is, the more paranoid I am, and the more I am going back to how I was in the last game as Sunset. But I really wanted to include Gikkle and deb (or just deb) here because I feel like they were a point of conflict yesterday and deb's interactions with, eg Ikarus might be telling. But since Ikarus himself is on the PoE and Gikkle I don't really scumread? I think I'm fine with just the four where it's at.

Italiano #531

Missed the part Italiano was talking about here where scum!renegade would eventually show themselves, so I assume Frinckles has a meta on renegade. If we dont see a development on this, ie scum Renegade "never comes" but Frinckles never really comments on it again, then maybe it could imply a Renegade/Frinckles team.

Italiano #535

Just for the record, I don't really agree with this take. Can explain if asked, but I don't want my post to have much fluff.

Renegade #536

This is a bad looking post, but I am tempted to pre-flip him here. Could be a distance attempt from Frinckles.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I'll analyze the possibility of scum being Frinckles, Renegade, and Buster. I don't think this could ever be a 3/3 guess because I feel Frinckles and Buster are both occupying a similar spot on a scum team (assuming they're on one). They're both kinda openwolfy and I just don't really know that there'd be multiple wolves doing that in one wolf team. I guess, in this sense, maybe it would be more useful to flip Renegade than either Frinckles or Buster since it helps give insight into the relationship between both of them. But I guess at the same time, if Renegade was flipped and he flipped green, it'd probably give the least amount of information. So I'm kind of torn.

yoshida #541

Good callout post and I like the part about Gikkle. Maybe I'm just slightly melding.


ikarusdk #542

Discussion is indeed good for the game. But most of your post is kinda just talking to people that scumlean you, and I don't know if that's the kind of discussion you should be dwelling on. Is Buster evil, or neutral? That's not half bad of a conversation. But instead of asking, maybe you should be casing.

ikarusdk #547 and #548

If ikarus and Frinckles are partnered, then they should really be getting an Oscar. I can't really imagine a world where, with all the interactions between those two, that both of them are scum. It's been going on since early game but since it's even continuing after I last posted, I'm not really able to believe anymore that it's fake.

"Mine

Town
Me of course
Gikkle
ItalianoVD

Townlean
Buster
MartinGG99
Renegade
Nancy Drew

Null
Stellaria
Yoshida
Auwt
Clemensthelemon

Scumlean
Loldebite
Frinkckles"

I don't know how I feel about deb being in the scumlean section here. Could be OMGUS for the shade deb gave earlier. But could signify also an unpartnering? Why is Buster townlean???

Renegade being a townlean seems like there's possibly partnership there.

This is Page 11. But I'm going to keep my thoughts live as I approach the pages and catch up with what happened. A bit of the way in I looked at the first post and saw the flips, so that's kind of where my head was after I looked at Gikkle's posts.

This post is very interesting. Stellaria saying how Frinckles and Ikarus can’t possibly be partners.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m going to look more at other stuff, particularly Stellaria because iirc. they hardpushed both Ren and Ikarus.

I felt extremely frustrated with some of the playerlist here not correctly reading my posts but I will give shoutouts to the following people who did:
@Loldebite , @Renegade and @@Zenon

All GOATS for their play perhaps @Gikkle as well but that depends more on the outcome. so hid GOAT award is currently tentative.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Messed up Zenon GOAT mention.
@Zenon

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thanks to you both for making the chat legible. I don’t think it matters a whole helluva lot if I post the entirety of the chat.
@MartinGG99

What I was hoping for from you was to give me your take on Ikarus’ responses to my questions specifically about the Ren kill. Perhaps I should had specifically asked you for that but I kind’ve thought that was obvious.