S-FM 350: Chaotic Executioner

[ikarusdk]

You don't have less reasons to trust that Gikkle actually was caroled either, tho.

that is true. But I thought about what Frinckles would gain from CCing that claim and I saw no benefit for him as mafia. Thtat'll just be suicide.

[Loldebite]

@Renegade if you're town shoot gikkle, it's never wrong to do so FMPOV because if you're town we CANNOT lose even with miselim + TK. I belive yoshida was right. Disregard my previous mention.

[Loldebite]

that is true. But I thought about what Frinckles would gain from CCing that claim and I saw no benefit for him as mafia. Thtat'll just be suicide.

It's not since if he was, it'd be working.

[Loldebite]

I'm confused. You want me to shoot or not shoot?

Sorry hadn't seen

[ikarusdk]

@Renegade if you're town shoot gikkle, it's never wrong to do so FMPOV because if you're town we CANNOT lose even with miselim + TK. I belive yoshida was right. Disregard my previous mention.

day might get extended so maybe we should discuss more about who ren should shoot. if we don't come to consensus he can do so at night as well (i think?)

[Renegade]

@Renegade if you're town shoot gikkle, it's never wrong to do so FMPOV because if you're town we CANNOT lose even with miselim + TK. I belive yoshida was right. Disregard my previous mention.

I'm on board. It is a bit too close to EOD and I have a feeling day is being extended, so not sure if I should wait.

[Renegade]

day might get extended so maybe we should discuss more about who ren should shoot. if we don't come to consensus he can do so at night as well (i think?)

Gun is a day gun only. I am a prime target for tonight's kill so I may be dead tomorrow.

[Loldebite]

I'm on board. It is a bit too close to EOD and I have a feeling day is being extended, so not sure if I should wait.

Yeah you may also just wait tbh at this point Buster logging in and posting would be kinda throwy.

[ikarusdk]

day might get extended so maybe we should discuss more about who ren should shoot. if we don't come to consensus he can do so at night as well (i think?)

ugh i meant that we should discuss more about the current game state, not who ren should shoot. I was reading about loldebites calling ren to shoot so i subconsciously wrote that instead.

[ikarusdk]

Gun is a day gun only. I am a prime target for tonight's kill so I may be dead tomorrow.

oh did not realise it was day only gun.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was hoping there would be some consensus now but hopefully we do get an extension because of Buster.

@Frinkles, why are you so certain that some other role didn’t interfere with anything? Yiu seem extremely convinced Gikkle is scum, so explain how that’s not real possibility?

[Stellaria]

Stellaria is still the best shot imo.

a) I got the job so Im feeling confident
b) fuck it

-vote Gikkle

[Gikkle]

@Renegade if you're town shoot gikkle, it's never wrong to do so FMPOV because if you're town we CANNOT lose even with miselim + TK. I belive yoshida was right. Disregard my previous mention.

Shooting me is the absolute worst play here???
The fact that you guys are literally just ignoring my day play in favor of the word of Frinckles (who has contributed nothing besides pushing me btw) is rather annoying. Like, even when I flip town, that doesn't prove the alignment of Frinckles. So you'll be losing a town member and will have answered no questions.

[Frinckles]

Gun is a day gun only. I am a prime target for tonight's kill so I may be dead tomorrow.

Why would you be killed tonight?

[ikarusdk]

I was hoping there would be some consensus now but hopefully we do get an extension because of Buster.

@Frinkles, why are you so certain that some other role didn’t interfere with anything? Yiu seem extremely convinced Gikkle is scum, so explain how that’s not real possibility?

not Frinckles, but if anything did interfere, they ain't town because they would've confirmed it. It would've saved this headache we find ourselves in. Also if they aren't town, there is no way for us to know.

[Loldebite]

day might get extended so maybe we should discuss more about who ren should shoot. if we don't come to consensus he can do so at night as well (i think?)

Frinckles has forced our hands, it is now down to 2 world views :

1) Frinckles has a "red check" of some kind in some way on Gikkle
2) S!Frinckles faked the carol. Only ever happens FMPOV if he realizes they have the win if they get town to miselim + ren shoots a townie. Requires s!Frinckles & s!renegade + another killing role.

Option 1) is both less risky and more likely. It is the correct play. If renegade is town then gunsmith or whatever also is and option 2) becomes straight up impossible, thus shooting gikkle is also the right play.

If gikkle flips T tho then Frinckles needs to die, so perhaps we should park votes there preemptively.

[Loldebite]

Shooting me is the absolute worst play here???
The fact that you guys are literally just ignoring my day play in favor of the word of Frinckles (who has contributed nothing besides pushing me btw) is rather annoying. Like, even when I flip town, that doesn't prove the alignment of Frinckles. So you'll be losing a town member and will have answered no questions.

If this is T/T, frinckles is throwing. I'm trusting him not to do that.

[Loldebite]

a) I got the job so Im feeling confident
b) fuck it

-vote Gikkle

gz ??

[Frinckles]

I was hoping there would be some consensus now but hopefully we do get an extension because of Buster.

@Frinkles, why are you so certain that some other role didn’t interfere with anything? Yiu seem extremely convinced Gikkle is scum, so explain how that’s not real possibility?

There's only one slot remaining that could be manipulating my target.

Even if Gikkle is town here (which he is not) he isn't a power role and we'd confirm that the carol is real and to some extent what the fifth role is. We aren't near Mylo yet. Illusionist is already unlikely because Ren claims he got a gun. At best it'd be Witch/BD and they would be in the VT claims, so easy to weed out.

So, please vote between me and Gikkle.

[Stellaria]

What does gz mean

(I left for a job interview)

[ikarusdk]

Im starting to believe I was the only beginner player that took FM seriously and not flunk out on the rest of the players.

[Frinckles]

Frinckles has forced our hands, it is now down to 2 world views :

1) Frinckles has a "red check" of some kind in some way on Gikkle
2) S!Frinckles faked the carol. Only ever happens FMPOV if he realizes they have the win if they get town to miselim + ren shoots a townie. Requires s!Frinckles & s!renegade + another killing role.

Option 1) is both less risky and more likely. It is the correct play. If renegade is town then gunsmith or whatever also is and option 2) becomes straight up impossible, thus shooting gikkle is also the right play.

If gikkle flips T tho then Frinckles needs to die, so perhaps we should park votes there preemptively.

Do you believe Renegade is town? I do personally, but I'm just asking.

[ikarusdk]

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[Frinckles]

What does gz mean

(I left for a job interview)

I think it's short for gratz. which is short for congratulations. which is short for we're happy for your big success.

[Loldebite]

What does gz mean

(I left for a job interview)

congratulations ! It means congratulations ! I think ?

[Stellaria]

oh

thank you Deb ♡

[Loldebite]

There's only one slot remaining that could be manipulating my target.

Even if Gikkle is town here (which he is not) he isn't a power role and we'd confirm that the carol is real and to some extent what the fifth role is. We aren't near Mylo yet. Illusionist is already unlikely because Ren claims he got a gun. At best it'd be Witch/BD and they would be in the VT claims, so easy to weed out.

So, please vote between me and Gikkle.

This first sentence is from everyone's POV. Since frinckles is refusing to consider that we're in a world where such an interaction is possible, then I assume he knows it not to be the case. Hence we fall back to the two scenarios described in that post :

Frinckles has forced our hands, it is now down to 2 world views :

1) Frinckles has a "red check" of some kind in some way on Gikkle
2) S!Frinckles faked the carol. Only ever happens FMPOV if he realizes they have the win if they get town to miselim + ren shoots a townie. Requires s!Frinckles & s!renegade + another killing role.

Option 1) is both less risky to play around and more likely. It is the correct play. If renegade is town then gunsmith or whatever also is and option 2) becomes straight up impossible, thus shooting gikkle is also the right play.

If gikkle flips T tho then Frinckles needs to die, so perhaps we should park votes there preemptively.

bold is an edit of sorts

[Gikkle]

Frinckles has forced our hands, it is now down to 2 world views :

1) Frinckles has a "red check" of some kind in some way on Gikkle
2) S!Frinckles faked the carol. Only ever happens FMPOV if he realizes they have the win if they get town to miselim + ren shoots a townie. Requires s!Frinckles & s!renegade + another killing role.

Option 1) is both less risky and more likely. It is the correct play. If renegade is town then gunsmith or whatever also is and option 2) becomes straight up impossible, thus shooting gikkle is also the right play.

If gikkle flips T tho then Frinckles needs to die, so perhaps we should park votes there preemptively.

Frinckles does not have a red check on me.

[ikarusdk]

wait.

If mafia has redirection

This all breaks down

[Loldebite]

Do you believe Renegade is town? I do personally, but I'm just asking.

Kinda but I'm still a bit paranoid about him shooting, gikkle flipping T and buster saying HELLO FUCKERS at the last minute so

PLEASE EVERYONE VOTE FRINCKLES IN CASE WE'RE BEING BAMBOOZLED

[Loldebite]

-vote Frinckles

[Frinckles]

This first sentence is from everyone's POV. Since frinckles is refusing to consider that we're in a world where such an interaction is possible, then I assume he knows it not to be the case

You haven't ISO'd me at all have you? I'm not writing another book about this. Me and Gikkle basically co-authored a SAGA over this. We know it's a possible world. I think it's extremely unlikely and the risk is extremely low to lynch Gikkle here.

[Loldebite]

Frinckles does not have a red check on me.

Either he has or he is scum. It's literally that simple.

[Loldebite]

I was hoping there would be some consensus now but hopefully we do get an extension because of Buster.

@Frinkles, why are you so certain that some other role didn’t interfere with anything? Yiu seem extremely convinced Gikkle is scum, so explain how that’s not real possibility?

Why/how is irrelevant. He has more information, probably. Who cares.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Given that there are three possible roles that can interfere with anything and one still unclaimed, I don’t understand Frinkles’ certainty but I agree his play is suicide as scum.

[Loldebite]

You haven't ISO'd me at all have you? I'm not writing another book about this. Me and Gikkle basically co-authored a SAGA over this. We know it's a possible world. I think it's extremely unlikely and the risk is extremely low to lynch Gikkle here.

I did, then I found that sentence were you said you basically had a red check and decided that was enough. I don't care about anything else tbh.

[Frinckles]

I did, then I found that sentence were you said you basically had a red check and decided that was enough. I don't care about anything else tbh.

Okay.

[ikarusdk]

Given that there are three possible roles that can interfere with anything and one still unclaimed, I don’t understand Frinkles’ certainty but I agree his play is suicide as scum.

1. Caroler
2. Jailor
3. Gunsmith
4. I want to say i know who and what this slot is, hence why this is so frustrating.
5. (???)

[Loldebite]

Given that there are three possible roles that can interfere with anything and one still unclaimed, I don’t understand Frinkles’ certainty but I agree his play is suicide as scum.

Then we agree. Please refer to #1677 for more details.

[ikarusdk]

frinckles pulling this as scum is literal suicide because he is trading himself for another. Not worth 1:1 trade. Don't see that happening.

Maybe that is what he wants and he is getting one of his top voters towncred for it.

[Frinckles]

when you feel like winning you can vote gikkle with me, we've talked enough about this and apparently can't see eye to eye which is fine. cheers.

[Frinckles]

i will lead you to victory, you only need follow.

[ikarusdk]

im meant to be working F@#!@#!@$!@.

[Loldebite]

Anyway, I'm afraid I must repeat myself : one of the only way town looses this game is buster coming back at the last second causing us to miselim and renegade shooting any town. This only EVER happens in a s!ren + s!buster + s!frinck world, thus we should be preemptively voting frinckles to avoid that very unlikely yet scary scenarii

[ikarusdk]

fm = 0.5% productivity

[Loldebite]

Another way to prevent that would be renegade shooting RN but that close to EoD with still the possibility of Buster busting our asses it is quite scary. If buster comes back and causes us to miselim frinckles, that is very sad but not game-ending.

[ikarusdk]

Anyway, I'm afraid I must repeat myself : one of the only way town looses this game is buster coming back at the last second causing us to miselim and renegade shooting any town. This only EVER happens in a s!ren + s!buster + s!frinck world, thus we should be preemptively voting frinckles to avoid that very unlikely yet scary scenarii

I don't see MYLO in that first sentence? Will you break it down for me. sorry.

[ikarusdk]

i asked for early lunch break. if the game extends im gonna shoot myself.

[Frinckles]

Anyway, I'm afraid I must repeat myself : one of the only way town looses this game is buster coming back at the last second causing us to miselim and renegade shooting any town. This only EVER happens in a s!ren + s!buster + s!frinck world, thus we should be preemptively voting frinckles to avoid that very unlikely yet scary scenarii

Are you seriously fucking worldbuilding like that and calling me scum for thinking there is no manipulation role with ONE ROLE MISSING?

Bruh.

[Loldebite]

We must make it so Frinckles goes if buster comes back before 20 minutes. If Buster does not, we will have plenty of time to reconvene.