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also there's no way you're scum with gikkle anyway. d2 was not scum theater and I can smell that from a mile away
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btw in the world where Gikkle is CE and lied and you are Caroler, all remaining PRs are exactly Ika, Stellaria & me.
Saying it out loud makes it obvious it would be such a stupid play lol, I don't think that's a possiblility. So Gikkle as CE never fakes this. Great news, because I was afraid there was a world where Gikkle is NOT scum YET all options in the carol are a miselim and that possibility is now out of question.
Which means we should get back to Stellaria, Ika & me
I guess another option is that we ask ren to shoot in the Stellaria/ika/gikkle?/me poe and lynch depending on the outcome
I literally see no reason why Gikkle would lie. It immediately puts them into this kind of thunderdome scenario.
I simply don't think it's worth the trouble for scum.
Gikkle being CE doesn't make sense to me. Him being CE is mathematically possible but there is no way they are winning with this carol claim. Same goes to Frinckles.
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Let's again ignore the CE scenarios because they're terrible.
You're describing scenarios and their likeliness but not looking at their value. Mafia is a value game especially played from a wolf perspective.
1.) I'm outted caroler, meaning I probably take a bullet tonight. That's fine because this is a 1-for-1 trade against mafia. That is value.
2.) You consider a scenario where I am scum!caroler, at which point I get town!gikkle lynched would have gained no value in this game.
3.) Gikkle and I are both town and Mafia basically made play of the decade. Massive value (but come the fuck on)
so, ill entertain you deciding between stell/ikarus if you want to indulge in that fake carol. im just asking that you evaluate this situation from a value perspective and consider voting gikkle.
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im going to be so livid with gikkle if he retracts.
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actually there is no way he retracts at this point. he would have done that already unless he thought i was fakeclaiming caroler to protect them and wanted to play along.
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Frinckles, I don't understand why it's easier for you to believe that I'd do the weirdest play as mafia (I would have to claim this knowing I'd get into a thunderdome) over there simply being some malicious actor that targeted two of the highest posters in the game (me and ikarus)
Like at this point I'm wondering if you're just the mafia caroler and you have ulterior motives here
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@Renegade
You have asked for consensus. My take:
I have negative points for both Frinckles and Gikkle. You must take leadership and make a decision between the two before EOD. @ikarushd; will be your bodyguard at night unless we find a town from this execution.
FMPOV Frinckles potential partners are Martin/Buster. Gikkle potential partners are Nancy/?? (can see Martin, lolde, Stellaria)
Please leave some grace period for EOD, so we can analyze the flip.
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@ikarusdk sorry
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And if mafia really did get a manipulation role AND landed the perfect play this game I think gikkle and I would gladly concede because that's bonkers.
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You're acting like me, you, and Ikarus are random people. Me and Ikarus were top posters. You are a generally solid player that people recognize.
There is absolutely no reason to believe a bus driver might not look at me and Ikarus and think to bus drive us. Or to look at you and decide to witch you to one of the to posters.
This whole discussion is wasting my brain power. If you're town all you've done is distract people from discussing Stellaria/Ikarus/Loldebite. Even if you have reason to doubt me that should be something you still try and solve.
The goal of your play was divert attention of the game to those 3 slots in the carol right? And you get the added bonus of taking me out if I outted myself. It clearly wasn't a reaction test because it was done so late and you didn't retract even after I outted (I would have been pissed anyway.) Everyone had checked in and so the opportunity arose for you to use a fake carol.
If you're town you would see the value mafia would gain from being able to take out a caroler but you're not town so you are attempting to downplay the gambit and move focus solely on the fake carol. This is even better fypov because it will probably end in a mislynch and me getting shot tonight. You could even say some bullshit tomorrow like "I thought we were roleswapping!" in an effort to dodge a lynch if ren doesn't outright shoot you.
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I mean, if somebody wants to claim that.. well shit.
Has Jeremiah gotten on?
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Yes but he's made like 2 posts
@JeremiahSablan please we need u
I want to say now that if Frinckles ever moves out of our 4 people thunderdome (excluding him) today he has to die
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The value of taking out the caroler isn't worth one of three scum members. At least, not someone with my thread position, since I'd be a powerwolf if I was mafia.
And - to add onto that - the value of any such gambit is made much worse by the possibility of a town doctor or town bus driver. Killing a claimed caroler is much more risky than killing an unclaimed caroler.
Witch/BD is always mafia in this case, but CE POV jailor makes more sense than witch/bd though since it acts as Bodyguard and a guaranteed road to death. I also doubt buster or clemens got witch/bd. Nancy is the only potential partner I can see to Gikkle and it would be extremely unlucky for you and rest of us if that is the case. I think we can still recover from it if Renegade shoots you and you flip town.
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I'm going to ignore frinckles for now and focus on solving the three people in the carol, and maybe think about possible partners
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The carols always include at least 1 mafia as opposed to at least 1 non-town. That means there is a chance of redundancy via consecutive carols. Killing caroler is always the wolf gameplan here.
On top of that, we already know 4/5 roles that CE gave out and yeah, its possible the last one is doctor. But BD or Witch or illusionist play here would have to been a mafia homerun (or an afk town) and the only reason I'm even giving that scenario credence is because CE has picked relatively or outright anti-town roles so far, tailor, gunsmith, jailer.
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Anyway I GTG but I'll be back
At the time of my carol claim, there were no claimed PRs. I might know Ikarus is jailor if Martin is my partner, but unless you think the other 2 non caroler PRs are both in the mafia, I'd be betting on doctor and bus driver not existing.
I keep getting distracted by you and it's annoying me. If you're town, at least try and put some thought into Lolde/Ikarus/Stellaria.
If the bomber is mafia and Ren is CE with a day gun then we are screwed hard. I wouldn't know if we were to vote CE or mafia at that point.
fuuuuuuck @Renegade don't shoot
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My computer is being annoying which is preventing me from doing the analysis I want to do >.<
Ikarus could be your partner as well. With scum!Martin on your team you would have had to risk that his assumptions on who jailer was were correct.. which ngl Martin is pretty good at syntax/rhetoric reading. But even that seems weird.
I already said I'd humor the fake carol because I think if I were pulling off that gambit I'd throw a teammate in it for plausible deniability.
One last question though. I'm pretty sure you're just wolf here but if you were town and had received a carol including your name, would you include your own name or replace it with someone else? After that you can ignore me all day.
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