S-FM 350: Chaotic Executioner

[yoshida]

And if from your POV zenon or varcron is mafia

Why give a gun to that combo.

What does that achieve? I'd like to know.

How is Zenon shooting Varcron indicate their alignment? And more importantly, yours?

Ikarus here is the logic:

We have limited number of days to solve this game. If we eliminate both mafia today, we win. If we eliminate only 1 then we get another day tomorrow, which we can use to shoot/elim 2 more people. If we eliminate none, then it is MyLo tomorrow.

I had two pools of players. One is the carol pool with 2 players and other pool with 4 players including a jailer that was also in a carol.


By giving a gun to Zenon/Varcron 2 player pool, I am helping us solve the smaller pool today.

Then we can use another gun tomorrow to solve in the 4 player pool if we decide to keep me alive. This part is something I want us to discuss later.


I know I am town and this will prove I am town and help you 4 player pool wake up and start looking for the last mafia in that group if zenon/varcron has 1 V flip.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like if you are town, I'm sure your play makes sense in your head

but I think I can speak for the rest of us when I say

We do not get it.

What townie like EVER would give a gun to a possible scumread?

That makes absolutely no freaking sense.

[ikarusdk]

@yoshida

My questions, and since I feel bad about dismissing you prior days let me give you benefit of the doubt.

1) Where is the scum. Zenon/Varcron or Nancy/Ren/Martin/Ikarus

2) How does Zenon shooting Varcron allow Town to use more guns

3) How does Zenon shooting Varcron clear you as town?

4) How does Zenon shooting Varcron clear her as town/mafia?

[ikarusdk]

Ikarus here is the logic:

We have limited number of days to solve this game. If we eliminate both mafia today, we win. If we eliminate only 1 then we get another day tomorrow, which we can use to shoot/elim 2 more people. If we eliminate none, then it is MyLo tomorrow.

I had two pools of players. One is the carol pool with 2 players and other pool with 4 players including a jailer that was also in a carol.


By giving a gun to Zenon/Varcron 2 player pool, I am helping us solve the smaller pool today.

Then we can use another gun tomorrow to solve in the 4 player pool if we decide to keep me alive. This part is something I want us to discuss later.


I know I am town and this will prove I am town and help you 4 player pool wake up and start looking for the last mafia in that group if zenon/varcron has 1 V flip.

Thanks for the reply

Let me digest this a bit before I pre-emptively comment on this mechanic.

[yoshida]

What townie like EVER would give a gun to a possible scumread?

That makes absolutely no freaking sense.

it is to prove they are town and help us eliminate the scum from a potential w/w or v/w pool.


You need to step back and read into this. You people want to kill a town- I am trying to kill a scum today

[ikarusdk]

Ikarus here is the logic:

We have limited number of days to solve this game. If we eliminate both mafia today, we win. If we eliminate only 1 then we get another day tomorrow, which we can use to shoot/elim 2 more people. If we eliminate none, then it is MyLo tomorrow.

I had two pools of players. One is the carol pool with 2 players and other pool with 4 players including a jailer that was also in a carol.


By giving a gun to Zenon/Varcron 2 player pool, I am helping us solve the smaller pool today.

Then we can use another gun tomorrow to solve in the 4 player pool if we decide to keep me alive. This part is something I want us to discuss later.


I know I am town and this will prove I am town and help you 4 player pool wake up and start looking for the last mafia in that group if zenon/varcron has 1 V flip.

If I am understanding this correctly,

But what if Z/V were both T/T? The carol can contain at least 1 mafia, so there can be 2 or even 3 mafia in a carol, but just as that is likely, there can be 2 towns with 1 mafia.

I think you rely on too much about the fact that if Varcron flips Town, Zenon is automatic Mafia. In reality, if Varcron flips town, Zenon is still unresolved.

[yoshida]

Scum is free to shoot me or the other PR.

Or they shoot Varcron to clear me mechanically.

[yoshida]

If I am understanding this correctly,

But what if Z/V were both T/T? The carol can contain at least 1 mafia, so there can be 2 or even 3 mafia in a carol, but just as that is likely, there can be 2 towns with 1 mafia.

I think you rely on too much about the fact that if Varcron flips Town, Zenon is automatic Mafia. In reality, if Varcron flips town, Zenon is still unresolved.

If Varcron flips town, you jail Zenon tonight. I will give a gun to someone else.

[yoshida]

Or we eliminate Zenon if Varcron flips town.

[ikarusdk]

Wouldn't it have made more sense to giving it to someone in that 4 person pool who you trust more to solve Zenon/Varcron if you believed in that?

Well tbh, as surprised as I was reading about Zenon getting a gun, i follow the reasoning now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Yoshida gave the gun to Zenon, who wants him to shoot Varcron and then if highly likely Varcrin flips town, he’s going to push for us to vote out Zenon.

NO TOWNIE would give a gun to a possible scumread.

This is Yoshida’s plan to bamboozle town, don’t buy into it.

Town!Yoshida would have given the gun to anyone but the subs.

Look at his PoE. Where the fuck is Stellaria in there? That is very telling imo.

[yoshida]

Either way, I am giving us a free check TODAY - RIGHT NOW and a path to victory. Scum will have to shoot between me and Ikarus assuming both of us are town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Or we eliminate Zenon if Varcron flips town.

​That’s his plan to save both himself and Stellaria.

[ikarusdk]

If Varcron flips town, you jail Zenon tonight. I will give a gun to someone else.

so what you are proposing is

We lynch stella today

Zenon shoots Varcron today

I jail Zenon tonight

And we re-asess Zenon/yoshida tomorrow.

[yoshida]

I think Yoshida gave the gun to Zenon, who wants him to shoot Varcron and then if highly likely Varcrin flips town, he’s going to push for us to vote out Zenon.

NO TOWNIE would give a gun to a possible scumread.

This is Yoshida’s plan to bamboozle town, don’t buy into it.

Town!Yoshida would have given the gun to anyone but the subs.

Look at his PoE. Where the fuck is Stellaria in there? That is very telling imo.

Stellaria was jailed no? Did any of you got jailed?

[yoshida]

so what you are proposing is

We lynch stella today

Zenon shoots Varcron today

I jail Zenon tonight

And we re-asess Zenon/yoshida tomorrow.

why should we vote stella today I don't get it

[Nancy Drew 39]

Stellaria was jailed no? Did any of you got jailed?

I think you killed Lol.

[ikarusdk]

why should we vote stella today I don't get it

her name is in both carols. The chances of a town's name appearing like that is pretty slim.

[yoshida]

You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow

thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.

[ikarusdk]

I think you killed Lol.

if yoshida is ever a town here and I'm only considering this possibility is because yoshida slot is not exactly 100% scum in my world view and I'm currently giving him beneift of the doubt.

The only reason scum would kill loldebite is so town does not receive any more carols.

The scum member whose name hasn't been mentioned in a carol wouldn't worry as much as those whose name was already in a carol.

I.E. Me, Zenon and Varcron.

[yoshida]

You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow

thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.

wait thats wrong.

if we keep jailing stella and eliminate zenon/varcron we wont have NK tonight if stellaria is maf. we shoot her and she flips town? you will vote me out tomorrow then.

[yoshida]

I think you killed Lol.

I think you need to step back and start following the cops.

[ikarusdk]

wait thats wrong.

if we keep jailing stella and eliminate zenon/varcron we wont have NK tonight if stellaria is maf. we shoot her and she flips town? you will vote me out tomorrow then.

so your proposal is

Zenon shoots Varcron
We lynch Zenon
I jail Stellaria

[yoshida]

So here is a TLDR plan:

We solve Zenon/Varcron today. Keep stellaria jailed. Game is solved tomorrow if there is no NK.

If there is a NK then we have one mafia in Martin/Nancy/Ren which we can solve tomorrow.

[yoshida]

so your proposal is

Zenon shoots Varcron
We lynch Zenon
I jail Stellaria

exactly. read the TLDR above

[Nancy Drew 39]

You can keep jailing stella. we vote/shoot from varcron/zenon. if a NK happens after we eliminate the scum from varcron/zenon we will 100% know stellaria, me and Ikarus will be TOWN coming to tomorrow

thats 3 slots solved = one of us is dying tonight = 2 clear slots vs 4 unclear slots coming to tomorrow.

If both Varcron and Zenon are town like I think, 2 townies die today and you probably kill
a townie tonight and we’re down 3 towns tomorrow.


I don’t believe you. I had the same feeling about Frinckles yesterday.

[ikarusdk]

But if Z/V are T/T

and NK goes through even after jailing

tomorrow we wake up with 3 T

and it's MYLO

[Nancy Drew 39]

So here is a TLDR plan:

We solve Zenon/Varcron today. Keep stellaria jailed. Game is solved tomorrow if there is no NK.

If there is a NK then we have one mafia in Martin/Nancy/Ren which we can solve tomorrow.

If you’re alive. than this makes 0 sense.

[ikarusdk]

I urge you to come up with different proposal because I believe it won't work.

[yoshida]

But if Z/V are T/T

and NK goes through even after jailing

tomorrow we wake up with 3 T

and it's MYLO

if Z/V are T/T, you will keep jailing Stellaria, I will be giving a gun to one in Martin/Nancy/Ren.

If a NK happens, we eliminate 2 in Martin/Nancy/Ren.

If a NK don't happen. we shoot Stellaria and vote me if Stellaria flips T.

[yoshida]

Does that make sense now?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Only way I vote out anyone else before either Stellaria or Yoshida if the game doesn’t end with their flips.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not buying into Yoshida wifom.

[yoshida]

I’m not buying into Yoshida wifom.

Take a few minutes, let's calm down and read into my plan.

I think you have great chance to be town coming out of this.

Mafia will have to decide between killing you, me and ikarus. We are going to box the final mafia between ren/martin and I do have a strong feeling it is Ren. We can still look into that tomorrow. We have maj tomorrow and a potential gun. if we get both tomorrow TOWN WINS

[powerofdeath]

Stellaria was shot by Zenon...











Stellaria's role is Vanilla Mafia.

Player List:

1. Stellaria - Vanilla Mafia - Shot by Zenon Day 5
2. Gikkle - Chaotic Executioner - Voted out Day 3.
3. Loldebite - Town Caroler - Killed Night 4
4. BusterCannon Varcron
5. ItalianoVD - Vanilla Town - Killed Night 2
6. Nancy Drew 39
7. Frinckles - Mafia Bomb
8. Auwt - Illusionist(Chosen) and Tailor(Gifted) Jester - Voted out Day 2.
9. MartinGG99
10. yoshida
11. ikarusdk
12. Renegade
13. Clemensthelemon JeremiahSablan Zenon

White = Alive, Color = Dead with role/alignment/gifted role reveal This list will be updated as game start to unfold.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Take a few minutes, let's calm down and read into my plan.

I think you have great chance to be town coming out of this.

Mafia will have to decide between killing you, me and ikarus. We are going to box the final mafia between ren/martin and I do have a strong feeling it is Ren. We can still look into that tomorrow. We have maj tomorrow and a potential gun. if we get both tomorrow TOWN WINS

Assuming a world exists where you’re town, why would mafia kill you?

[yoshida]

TOWN TAKEOVER

[yoshida]

Assuming a world exists where you’re town, why would mafia kill you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yasss! Thank you @Zenon . Let’s vote out Yoshida and end this.

[yoshida]

Yasss! Thank you @Zenon . Let’s vote out Yoshida and end this.

bruh what are you for real XDDDDDDDDD

[yoshida]

@Nancy Drew 39

Please listen to me and take a few minutes break and come back, reread everything.

[yoshida]

@ikarusdk

TOWN TAKEOVER

[Nancy Drew 39]

bruh what are you for real XDDDDDDDDD

I think you gave the gun to Zenon trying to set her up. And it spectacularly failed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy Drew 39

Please listen to me and take a few minutes break and come back, reread everything.

I have and my vote is staying.

[yoshida]

Me and Ikarus are solved and dying tonight.


Zenon/Varcron Ren/Martin and Nancy slots are unsolved. I think Nancy is town here after all of this. She just needs to take a break and start reading the game mechanically.


We need to decide which slot we solve today and tomorrow by jailing and with a potential gun tomorrow.

[Varcron]

@Zenon , @Varcron , either of you get the gun?

Nope

[Varcron]

-vote yoshida

Don't see in what world he isn't scum rn from my limited pov

[yoshida]

I think you gave the gun to Zenon trying to set her up. And it spectacularly failed.

I take that you didn't read the setup and/or bad at math.

I am 100% spewed from this shot. Existence of a gun + 2 mafia death = i am mech clear. I don't know why do you refuse to believe it but here is what it is.

[yoshida]

-vote yoshida

Don't see in what world he isn't scum rn from my limited pov

GOOOFFFYYYYYYYY

[Nancy Drew 39]

Me and Ikarus are solved and dying tonight.


Zenon/Varcron Ren/Martin and Nancy slots are unsolved. I think Nancy is town here after all of this. She just needs to take a break and start reading the game mechanically.


We need to decide which slot we solve today and tomorrow by jailing and with a potential gun tomorrow.

If the game doesn’t end with your flip. I’ll reconsider but I feel pretty confident it will.