S-FM 348: Standoff

[ikarusdk]

Either way, a town tailor wouldnt commit to night action, if we have a tailor they are 1000% scum tailor

[Loldebite]

BROOOO

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Giving you a peek would be extremely risky for literally 0 gain.

Outside of the heat of the moment you if town could also do something to prove yourself and I think you would be much less likely to remain LHF in that case than PoD.

Why does Miz just make herself look surface level terrible for no gain and a huge risk as mafia if you're town? What's the goal here?

The point about taking a massive risk is very true, though... hm. I have a hard time believing neither are scum, though, especially Mizery considering the whole 2nd half of D1.

[deathworlds]

I thought that hidden patriot meant it was always a role role and not a cit but it's not it's not true

gotta read the Q&A

[Wiml]

Citizen 3 max
PoD

Citizen claims
Mizery
Vitae
MM
ikarus

PR
Varcron

Pr claims
Loldebite
Death world


Now would be a good time to say I am town bartender.

Ok good stuff.

Surprised you bought Varcron's claim as a useless PR if you were one yourself though?

[ikarusdk]

Lol, if I'm going agaisnt something or common sense, do feel free to correct me

[Mizery]

Varcron - cit tailored
Ikarus - bartender
death - invest
lol - wolf

[Loldebite]

Varcron - cit tailored
Ikarus - bartender
death - invest
lol - wolf

no fucking way I can't fucking believe it

[ikarusdk]

Either we have a tailor and Varcron was something else,

Or

We dont have a tailor and Varcron is town chemist.

I am not following deaths narrative, i am following the current situation

[Loldebite]

Lol, if I'm going agaisnt something or common sense, do feel free to correct me

maybe I misunderstood what you said... BRB I'll read back

Actually maybe I'll go back to my main computer and completely give up sleeping

yeah i'll do that brb

[deathworlds]

We CANNOT be fooled by a tailor again if we just leave appropriate last wills that STATE OUR ROLE

[Mizery]

Invest + Invest changer are basically as useful to wolves on the same alignment assuming that the person uses it. less because it's so risky i suppose.

Then put an arso on that team in a small player list which is swingy

then give the wolves a tailor to change deaths

Maybe if you assume the arso somehow balances it out by being swingy but doesn't make much sense unless you don't think about it? or think about it too hard? idk which I'm doing right now.

[ikarusdk]

We CANNOT be fooled by a tailor again if we just leave appropriate last wills that STATE OUR ROLE

Ngl I forgot to leave my role in lw

[deathworlds]

Invest + Invest changer are basically as useful to wolves on the same alignment assuming that the person uses it. less because it's so risky i suppose.

Then put an arso on that team in a small player list which is swingy

then give the wolves a tailor to change deaths

Maybe if you assume the arso somehow balances it out by being swingy but doesn't make much sense unless you don't think about it? or think about it too hard? idk which I'm doing right now.

where are you even getting arsonist from?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Citizen 3 max
PoD

Citizen claims
Mizery
Vitae
MM
ikarus

PR
Varcron

Pr claims
Loldebite
Death world


Now would be a good time to say I am town bartender.

wait what lol
I dare assume you haven't used your ability xD.

[Wiml]

I rather see wolf!Mizery letting her wolf!Deathworlds be 50 % dead right at the last second as literal gamethrowing lol. Plus, town!Deathworlds was probably never going to be protected here (or even killed at night), considering how he almost got lynched; nobody would believe him at MYLO, so he wouldn't be a thread to wolf!Mizery. Like, if I were a protective, I would never go protect the maybe-wolf and definetly-not-attacked Deathworlds here.

Wolf-Miz could in theory let Death live sure but it would be a large misplay. She wouldn't know for certain if a town poisoner existed in the setup so now Death, if town, gets 2 peeks or gets nightkilled and the game becomes a coinflip if Death lives. By comparison, miseliminating town Death is basically an immediate mafia victory because PoD had already claimed cit and could be pushed extremely easily + many more open alternative options than if Death was alive with peeks. So Miz being a wolf and Death town is a big throw for Miz there tbh and she's much better than that.

But yes I agree that Miz is unlikely w/w with Death either.

[ikarusdk]

Ok good stuff.

Surprised you bought Varcron's claim as a useless PR if you were one yourself though?

Sorry I dont understand. I didnt think his claim was useless

[Mizery]

varcron - Chemist
lol - Oracle i forget what you call it

Ikarus???/

Death - Wolf invest

[Loldebite]

There is no coach, and if there is the coach should come out.

With your narrative and there is tailor, death might be correct you are tailor.

Yes, there is no coach, that was a joke I made.

Ah yeah that's what I misread, I thought you were saying that in MY narrative I was tailor.

Wait yeah what you're saying is still nonsense, in MY narrative (which also is the reality, btw) I am SNITCH. NOT tailor...

[ikarusdk]

wait what lol
I dare assume you haven't used your ability xD.

As much as I wanted to, no I held firm. I did fidget as I was sleeping though

[Mizery]

where are you even getting arsonist from?

i mean poisoner they both end in ist

[deathworlds]

Sorry I dont understand. I didnt think his claim was useless

Varcron claimed to be an anti-town utility role, so a role that doesn't do anything positive for town, I listed those examples as Tailor, Bartender, and janitor.

I assumed Varcron was one of these three roles, or at least claiming one of those three roles

[deathworlds]

I am SNITCH. NOT tailor...

wrong

[Loldebite]

We CANNOT be fooled by a tailor again if we just leave appropriate last wills that STATE OUR ROLE

We cannot be fooled by tailor again period. It is only 1 use.

Also starting to think that tailor deletes LWs, and that you knew about it.

[ikarusdk]

Yes, there is no coach, that was a joke I made.

Ah yeah that's what I misread, I thought you were saying that in MY narrative I was tailor.

Wait yeah what you're saying is still nonsense, in MY narrative (which also is the reality, btw) I am SNITCH. NOT tailor...

Yeah I misunderstood you as well.

Deaths narrative is that you are tailor and Varcron is tailored.
Your narrative is that death is not, and you are a snitch

[Wiml]

wait with ikar claiming drug dealer, then


deathworlds - invest
ikarusdk - bar tender
Loldebite - tailor
Marshmallow Marshall - cit
Mizery- cit
powerofdeath - cit
Varcron - chemist?
Vittae - cit

The point about taking a massive risk is very true, though... hm. I have a hard time believing neither are scum, though, especially Mizery considering the whole 2nd half of D1.

Nothing about Mizery's alignment means Death can't be mafia as a standalone though.

[Loldebite]

varcron - Chemist
lol - Oracle i forget what you call it

Ikarus???/

Death - Wolf invest

YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GZ !!!

[deathworlds]

We cannot be fooled by tailor again period. It is only 1 use.

Also starting to think that tailor deletes LWs, and that you knew about it.

only has one charge.

huh

[Mizery]

Can we please sleep

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Do we have any confirmation that tailor doesn't delete last wills? If so, Varcron is actually very probably just citizen lol. It makes much more sense for him to be cit who doesn't feel like he needs to put anything in his last will than having him say NOTHING AT ALL in his last will as what probably is the most powerful power role we have because it can buy us a mislynch lol.

[Mizery]

Well now that ikarus has claimed we can't nvm

[ikarusdk]

Since there is at least one person who is scum PR in citizen claim

It is safe to assume from my PoV even if Varcron was tailored

There is one scum between death/lol. This fact cannot change.

[Loldebite]

Yeah I misunderstood you as well.

Deaths narrative is that you are tailor and Varcron is tailored.
Your narrative is that death is not, and you are a snitch

Yup !

[Loldebite]

Nothing about Mizery's alignment means Death can't be mafia as a standalone though.

I strongly suspect that NOTHING AT ALL means death can't be mafia.

[deathworlds]

Since there is at least one person who is scum PR in citizen claim

It is safe to assume from my PoV even if Varcron was tailored

There is one scum between death/lol. This fact cannot change.

Unless there's scum bus driver or operative or something.

But yes I investigated Loldebite, he appeared as tailor, he claimed snitch, I think it is likely he is lying

[Wiml]

Would the tailor get the role of their target?

Just thinking thar Varcron would be much more likely a weak town PR like town bartenderas they claimed than cit

[Loldebite]

Do we have any confirmation that tailor doesn't delete last wills? If so, Varcron is actually very probably just citizen lol. It makes much more sense for him to be cit who doesn't feel like he needs to put anything in his last will than having him say NOTHING AT ALL in his last will as what probably is the most powerful power role we have because it can buy us a mislynch lol.

that would mean only 2 TPR : either tailor & bar tender or Snitch & bartender. I don't buy it.

[Loldebite]

But varcron was probably tailored as chemist, yeah

[Loldebite]

Since there is at least one person who is scum PR in citizen claim

It is safe to assume from my PoV even if Varcron was tailored

There is one scum between death/lol. This fact cannot change.

Absolutely correct. DW has forced me into a thunderdome.

[ikarusdk]

Absolutely correct. DW has forced me into a thunderdome.

Rock paper scissors?

[Loldebite]

Would the tailor get the role of their target?

Just thinking thar Varcron would be much more likely a weak town PR like town bartenderas they claimed than cit

Yeah he's probably not chem IMO

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Well now that ikarus has claimed we can't nvm

Why can't we sleep here? This is 4v2 and nobody is poisoned, so we should be good, right?

[Loldebite]

Rock paper scissors?

Nah, no need. You can get much better odds than that.

[Loldebite]

Why can't we sleep here? This is 4v2 and nobody is poisoned, so we should be good, right?

We actually don't know the 2nd scum's role.

[Wiml]

Unless there's scum bus driver or operative or something.

But yes I investigated Loldebite, he appeared as tailor, he claimed snitch, I think it is likely he is lying

Worth noting that if there is an operative Death is almost always the target if they're town.

Wouldn't mean the peek is wrong though, just rand accurate in that case.

[deathworlds]

Rock paper scissors?

pfft, better leave it up to mizery again

[ikarusdk]

Why can't we sleep here? This is 4v2 and nobody is poisoned, so we should be good, right?

Because I'm dying if we sleep

[Loldebite]

pfft, better leave it up to mizery again

At least there is one thing we agree on.

[Loldebite]

Because I'm dying if we sleep

r u saying you're poisoned ?

[Loldebite]

FTR I never stated it but I'm not poisoned either