Not exactly imo, i think it would be quite informative.
Not exactly imo, i think it would be quite informative.
Not a hill i’m gonna die on though if ppl are determined to do something else.
Tbh this day presidential election thing is really boring to me and i just wish it was over as soon as possible so we can start playing for real.
I object to such strong language in this congress.
So anyway that was a lovely discussion about a mechanic but also Monroe is wolf. Also I don't want to be president I feel like I would be a bad one.
Everyone let's chill.
We need more content from others. Is it too late to pressure?
Nixon, both Roosevelts, and Jefferson come out to party with us
Where's Monroe?
I see what you mean, but you're twisting the meaning of "wolf lean" to make it fit objective statistics instead of subjective opinion on one's alignment; everyone whom I do not have a read on is 50/50 to me, even though there very likely are more town than scum in that pool (because it comprises most players, since they have been rather unimpressive). Nice thinking, though, sir.
I am in total agreement with your rejection of activity reads. I will say, though, that JFK looks like he truly wants meaningful discussion to happen, even though he wants to have lighthearted fun as well. The issue is that we are still quite early into D1, and the discussion did not have time to become truly highly meaningful, which impairs our ability to evaluate JFK's true intent.
Perhaps you do not read Madison's tone nearly the same as I do; that being said, if I am to be convinced of Madison's good intent, it will have to be done through his meaningful and towny activity, which has so far been lacking - it is not that he is more inactive than average, but rather that his posts seem to have little content. As for myself, it is not because I express myself in a somewhat formal manner that my intent is forced. Plus, I have provided reads with reasonable justifications, whereas he beds Spanish women and townreads JFK for existing "even if [what he is saying is] nonsense", according to himself:
Finally, Mr. Jefferson, I have a hard time seeing how rejecting JFK's initial doubts on me and attacking Madison could be a pocketing attempt. In fact, I do not even know who the target of such an attempt would be in this case. Could you please elaborate?
Bettlejuice, well kinda
I rather yall didn't town read me based off post count because I'm a high volume poster regardless of alignment
You seem to have failed to address this:
I will say, before you bring it up, that the argument consisting of "town presidents are doomed to die" is not necessarily valid: in the setup, Doctor, Bus Driver and Body Double all are protective roles that may protect the duly elected President from anti-American attacks. It seems reasonable enough to me to assume that there are protective roles in the game, considering two facts:
- the setup has 13 players, which generally makes some protection appropriate
- the setup's prominent mechanic is the presidential one, and the lack of a protective role would put all town presidents at great risk, as you said yourself
Plus, in the event there is no protective role in the game, the possibility of one existing could be enough to save a town president from death, as cowardly scum may decide to avoid attacking him; ultimately, it boils down to WIFOM. Thus, giving town the presidency can easily be beneficial. And, as I have already said, giving scum the presidency is giving one more vote power to scum, which is almost equivalent to giving one extra member to the scum team, making town lynches easier, scum lynches harder, and LYLO closer. This is even more true considering the fact there are no scum roles that give the Mafia an extra kill power (the Bruiser kill replacing the factional one); making a scum lose his power is thus rather insignificant in comparison to the previously mentioned benefits scum would get from having one of their own elected.
As a last argument, counter-playing the mechanic like this also makes it harder to analyze potential pairings from the election's results. Speaking of pairings, who do you think could be anti-American scum, Truman?
Blunt, but effective. I agree.
Also, I have just read your post about who should be elected (I had missed it), and I thoroughly agree with your line of thinking. The first option seems optimal to me; if you want details, see my latest post. While you could well be faking pro-townness, I like you and give you an early town lean.
Dear President Roosevelt,
On the matter of 70/30, Don't take it to mean too much Roosevelt, I just like statistics when it comes to pointing out things like odds. Twisting things is after all sometimes how you reveal more about them. This is mere sophistry though, so I will stop.
I hear you about presidents being protected. I have not played in this setup before and day one I am not overly fond of digging too deeply into power structures. I just thought it would be a shame if we elected someone who is town but they were also a very good town power which is then negated by being president. It was a simple enough premise. Perhaps ultimately a flawed one. I don't tend to like thread consensus for eliminations or extra mechanics like voting because that too makes it difficult to see if the mafia team was forced to make a difficult choice behind the scenes. I feel it is hard to know what our actions will or will not reveal until those actions take place.
I guess that is to say is I don't know the proper course on this matter, which is kind of fun actually. I will leave the matter of politics to others for now.
As for the last question asked of me, as I have stated multiple times by now, I do not like Monroe's entrance very much nor am I overtly impressed by their rebuttal being "cool story bro."
Yours,
President Truman
I deem Teddy to be a loyal American. Not a British bone in his body.
I would love to make a read list but I also need more content from my null pile. Am I asking for too much?
Truman and Kennedy are not both British, for what it's worth. I do not believe their "mindmeld" interaction from earlier to be something two Brits would bother to do with each other.
Kennedy feels towny on page 1 in terms of trying to engage others but quite a bit of questions about things that are nothing really about the game.
James Monroe casting the first shade on page 1 and talking about his own entrance being awkward feels like a town viewpoint.
Harry Truman's scumread and reasoning on Monroe feels like a good read given the explanation regardless of Monroe's alignment.
Monroe's response to it felt like towny confidence or arrogance if we want to take it that far.
Page 2 James Madison is awkward with his townread of JFK.
The only thing Jefferson spoke about was the George Washington writing style and nothing really about reads, not good.
Page 3 I feel like Truman has the right idea about maybe not voting our top town, but voting the suspects is maybe not a good idea.
This is maybe towny minus the suspects part.
Page 4 I skimmed, big whoop, wanta fight aboutit?
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John F Kennedy
Harry Truman
James Monroe
George Washington
I am townreading these fellow American Presidents.
James Madison
Thomas Jefferson
These two fellow "Americans" I'm scumreading.
Actually disregard that part about agreeing with Truman about not voting top town today for President, because I didn't read the start. Totally fine with handing it to my top townread.
Hello Kennedy.
I agree with Eisenhower's notion that Monroe's response to my scum read of them is generally a town vibe type of situation.
However coming from Monroe it feels like more of the same manufactured phrasing. I will not be accepting anything from Monroe but beautiful, undiluted content right into the veins of this great nation to feel better about their standing in this game.
That's fine; I do not wish for you to jump into my pocket. As for my reasons - I thought your entrance into the thread was natural, and your stance against Truman's "voting for scum" idea seemed as if you were honestly arguing in America's best interest. I believe a Brit would be fine with Truman's plan, or at least I do not believe they would openly campaign against it. I agree with what you've said about scum being president harming America more than it helps us - I think most Brits would be fine with sacrificing a role for a vote (which brings the number of mislynches they need to win from 4 to 3), and it's not as if us Americans can ever be 100% sure that someone is scum (even with a red check from a sheriff, since there is a tailor and bus driver in the game), so it's fairly possible for a British president to avoid getting lynched at any point in the future even if they were made president for being a suspected Brit day 1.
I also think the general tone of your posts is just genuinely solvey, but the two above reasons are the more easily explainable reasons.
Speaking of this, while I personally felt good about Kennedy due to mindmelding twice with the gentleman about situations, let us be wary of being too quick to judge those who most frequently speak before this nation. Too many fools have bought the words of charismatic but unscrupulous men and paid a heavy price for it. Let us establish early that we will be judged by our deeds not our ability to hit 'Reply'
The reason I want nulls to post more because I like to spend day ones observing people.
Does the vote count include anon votes?
Also a bunch of stuff posted. I'm home now so I can get to it
Not really. I believe my worries can only be assuaged through more direct means of solving from Monroe. Once I see how their thought expand as the topic goes on can I see how they operate can I put to bed my earlier doubt.
Basically of all of the people who have posted so far Monroe for me right now has the highest bar for me not accepting anything about solving as being a pro town action. I would like to hear more thoughts on players and less about mechanical theory from the gentleman.
69 posts already. I have a funny story about 69 and Anita Ekberg. Whew lads, that one chick knew how to make herself memorable that's for sure.
𝒴𝑜𝓊 𝓀𝑒𝑒𝓅 𝓇𝑒𝒻𝑒𝓇𝓇𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓉𝑜 "𝓈𝑜𝓋𝒾𝑒𝓉𝓈", 𝒷𝓊𝓉 𝐼 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝓃𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝒽𝑒𝒶𝓇𝒹 𝑜𝒻 𝓉𝒽𝒾𝓈 𝓉𝑒𝓇𝓂. 𝒜𝓇𝑒 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓈𝑒 𝒶𝓃 𝒶𝓁𝓁𝓎 𝑜𝒻 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝐵𝓇𝒾𝓉𝒾𝓈𝒽?
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𝐼 𝒻𝒾𝓃𝒹 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝓉𝑜 𝒷𝑒 𝓇𝒶𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓇 𝓈𝓉𝓇𝒶𝓃𝑔𝑒 𝒶𝓈 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁. 𝐼 𝒽𝒶𝓋𝑒 𝓅𝓇𝑜𝓋𝒾𝒹𝑒𝒹 𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓎 𝒻𝑒𝓌 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓊𝑔𝒽𝓉𝓈 𝑜𝒻 𝓂𝓎 𝑜𝓌𝓃 𝓉𝒽𝓊𝓈 𝒻𝒶𝓇. 𝐼 𝒶𝓂 𝒷𝑒𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓅𝓊𝓈𝒽𝑒𝒹 𝒻𝑜𝓇 𝓉𝒽𝑒 𝓅𝑜𝓈𝒾𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝓈𝑜𝓁𝑒𝓁𝓎 𝑜𝒻𝒻 𝓂𝓎 𝒽𝒶𝓃𝒹𝓌𝓇𝒾𝓉𝒾𝓃𝑔. 𝒲𝒽𝒾𝓁𝑒 𝓂𝓎 𝒽𝒶𝓃𝒹𝓌𝓇𝒾𝓉𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒾𝓈 𝒻𝒶𝓃𝒸𝓎, 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒾𝓈 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝒶 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝒹 𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓈𝑜𝓃 𝒻𝑜𝓇 𝓂𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒷𝑒 𝑒𝓁𝑒𝒸𝓉𝑒𝒹.
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𝒯𝒽𝒾𝓈 𝒾𝓈 𝒶 𝓋𝑒𝓇𝓎 𝑜𝓇𝑔𝒶𝓃𝒾𝒸 𝓁𝒾𝓃𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓊𝑔𝒽𝓉, 𝒶𝓃𝒹 𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓃 𝒾𝒻 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓇𝑒 𝒾𝓈 𝓃𝑜 𝓂𝑒𝓇𝒾𝓉 𝒾𝓃 𝒻𝑜𝓁𝓁𝑜𝓌𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒾𝓉, 𝐼 𝑒𝓃𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓇𝒶𝑔𝑒 𝓎𝑜𝓊 𝓉𝑜 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝓉𝒾𝓃𝓊𝑒 𝒾𝓃𝓋𝑒𝓈𝓉𝒾𝑔𝒶𝓉𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝒾𝓉. 𝒜𝓃𝓎 𝑜𝓃𝑒 𝑜𝒻 𝓊𝓈 𝒸𝑜𝓊𝓁𝒹 𝒷𝑒 𝓈𝑒𝒹𝒾𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓊𝓈.
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