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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Townread:
    HollowKatt
    Seanzie
    PQR

    Townlean:
    Loldebite
    Dr.Zeus
    Gikkle

    Scumlean:
    Mesk


    Ya'know I thought I had way more results during my backread and I have a lot more players to sort through...

    This looks like a decent list though in terms of acquiring townreads.
    Ooh I gut read PQR wolf based on their entry.

    Interesting.

    Also- lol at you and HK's chat about this forum thinking it knows better than me on when to post. Mood

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    I think I'll avoid catching up- there's a lot of massive wall posts and I need to prep for work tbh.

    I'll just find your reads posts
    Fair enough, late page 8 and onward you'll see my reads.

    Try to read from that point onwards in general give me your thoughts on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    Ooh I gut read PQR wolf based on their entry.

    Interesting.

    Also- lol at you and HK's chat about this forum thinking it knows better than me on when to post. Mood
    From what I recall on other spots:
    - HK has been himself. I'm going to hold off on reading him
    - Seanzie I like, but, his chat I saw had been mech focused. I know wolves like to hide behind mech
    - Like I say PQR wolf read
    - Loldebite I think I had a very thin scum read on for potential TMI? But it wasn't something I held water on
    - Gikkle and Mesk idk

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    - Seanzie I like, but, his chat I saw had been mech focused. I know wolves like to hide behind mech
    I had this thought when reading HK originally, like his mech talk looked really good but I held off waiting to see his reads, but he outed his reads on Seanzie and Martin and the explanations, at least for Martin, looked like good analysis that I can follow. So that's why I put him at the top of my reads list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    Are you saying to not take advantage of potential kill power?
    Yeah, not interested in what could otherwise be scum fueled PoE for ITA kills.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding it, I don't care for it at all. If place a bomb underneath Deathworld's pillow, I did it of my own volition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takumi Fujiwara View Post
    Yeah, not interested in what could otherwise be scum fueled PoE for ITA kills.

    Unless I'm misunderstanding it, I don't care for it at all. If place a bomb underneath Deathworld's pillow, I did it of my own volition.
    If scum are governing the POE the village is already losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    I already stated them, look at the paragraph that is concluded with "townleaning porn man" in bold.

    Plus you've been all over the place this game with constant posts that go for a couple of paragraphs in response to everything. If you're that quick witted and well spoken as mafia then you're a fucking monster.
    LOL thats something I'd been finding wolfy.

    The long paragraphs show to me a struggle to explain their own thoughts concisely. Which is generally because they are >rand manufactured

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    If you think someone is "more than lightly town" I expect you to argue vociferously in their defense and try to drive another wagon ahead of theirs.
    This isn't like "hey Gikkle screw you we're shooting your townies" it's "we're shooting the top wagon" so if you're super town reading the top wagon then do something about it
    (My bold) is so correct. Well in HK

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    iS THERE A jester role poss?
    Not role. There is a jester card though that someone can play- only person I know who has it isn't in the game.


    BUT- TMI TMI TMI PQRN is baddie.

    Point 1: They know about cults (see previous post I quoted)
    Point 2: They are now asking about jester roles (implying to me they are talking about an alignment)

    Someone's shown them jester exists and is mega thing. Trying to derp clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    that seems like an incredibad reason to policy someone. BS gut reads aren't necessarily bad yeah?
    like if you'd said he's a troll and doesn't play well to his randed alignment then sure, policy is fine and probably desired, but "he's fluffy and his reads are gut" is like half the known mafia playing universe
    IMO if you're unwilling to listen to anything else than your bs gut reads, then yeah it becomes a problem. If that's half the mafia universe then i guess that explains why i mostly played IRL...

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    Spoiler : pqr quote :
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    No worries, I already got 2 votes on me, join in!

    Point is there is some emotional attachment for me here (hence my statement about being "fair"): I am not a strong player, neither is Paopan (compared to some others, at least), think of us as LHF for a moment. So how can I ethically justify voting Paopan solely on the presumption that he will not be helpful to town (which is, admittedly, a fair assumption based on past games), when similar arguments could be made about me? Should I vote myself?? lol

    Why should one LHF(me) vote another LHF(Pao) solely because because they are LHF or not as strong as other players? Unless there is better information to indicate that Paopan is scummy (which I am sure there will NOT be from Pao D1), I do not want to vote him as I find it unethical (personal opinion). In the PoliticoII game that you were also in, same dilemma came up and I was defensive of Paopan when people wanted to lynch him for reasons that I disagree with (Pao being wild as usual, doing things like voting players that were already dead), some suggested he and I were scum together as a result. My rhetoric that game was that we would need to resolve Paopan later in the game, and as it turns out, we could have won by doing just that (as Town) if we had accurate mech info and thus realized that Paopan was scum, but town did some fake mech gambits that fired back, resulting in a loss. But to say that we should have voted off Paopan early because it's Paopan (50% BS, 50% gut, to use your terms) would be "resulting". There is nothing so far (and I am sure there will not be) in Pao's D1 to be a town-tell or a scum-tell.

    This is one reason I prefer anonymous games, at least one might feel better about voting off a "slot" (rather than the "player") based on their "play" in that game and not based on past game experiences. E.g., should we justify voting off a person merely because they lost 75% (made-up number for example purposes) of their historical games? I think not.


    What you call "ethics" i call AtE and that's precisely what lost us the game. Yes, i'm looking at you, Lag.
    That said i agree that's a bad reason to vote people, hence why i am not voting him lol. I literally meant only what i said, no less, no more : i'm fine with him (or you) being wagons on D1.

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    Spoiler : eye melting :
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    So I have some thoughts here but I am not sure how much we want to put in writing right now, as we can't privately discuss our plans to catch scum. Should we/town continue discussing in the open or no? Consider that there is a potential for private chats in the future. If multiple ideas exist (i.e., variations to the strategy, and we might consider a different variation at a later time), we may consider "holstering" them (pardon the joke) to see if N1 private chats exist or not.

    I am not advocating for holstering, but I also do not want us to randomly (mis-)kill a bunch of townies D1 based on RVS.
    You say not much difference b/w D1 and D2: but we will also have gained potentially valuable night-action info from N1, when we go into D2. D1, people can't even defend much other than to claim their cards or defend reasons for which they are being scum-read. Let's say we get 2 kills and 1 lynch today. What information are you expecting to generate based off the "analysis" of those flips? Are you thinking to maximize the probability that at least one of those 3 is scum? I am afraid I am not following the rationale for taking advantage of a larger quantity of "uninformed" shots D1 than a lower quantity of "more informed" shots D2. Also, as hollow indicated, past experience indicates alignment deductions from how players used their cards, so shouldn't we aim to allow more players to use their cards N1 instead of getting shot D1?


    Please stop using that blue font, it melts my eyes, for some reason

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt View Post
    I've wolfed with you before and have never seen you be this up front trying to lead the thread and organize how things ought to be going. I've also been in enough mashes to know when someone is trying to make the most sense and most logical path for utilizing ITAs to get the maximum number of "good shots" vs letting shooters just kinda go all willy-nilly.

    So yeah, it's basically the whole shots thing. If you're a wolf here it's advantageous to just let town do whatever they want to do instead of trying to organize when/where to be shooting. You can't control who's going to be leading wagons when the time for shots comes, so if you're advocating a plan where we're shooting at wagon leaders that can 100% backfire on you if you're wolfing here. Like if a packmate has a bad entry or bad series of posts and gets wagoned before the shots time that's a bummer for you/your pack.
    I like this post, it's perfectly sensible. BUT wouldn't that be the perfect deepwolfing strategy ? Because if you go deep, it's less likely that the wagons will turn against you. Especially if investigative roles are rare and/or weak. Granted, it does look very early to make that decision as scum, although i assume it is possible since scum share a day chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass.
    That is a great ref, you're now towncore.
    BUT
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I will not be shooting Sean or Hollowkat or Deathworlds unless enforced to do so by the power of our collective. I also make the motion that votes by those 4 people (myself included) carry a higher vote power than the rest. I apologize if you are not being a lock-town, but we are here to win this together, so please allow me to lead. But I am also willing delegate my lead to either Sean or Hollow.
    State your desired leader and we roll with it. And yeah, we about to kill 2-3! Let's go.
    Tf you mean by "allow me to lead", "delegate my lead" and "state your desired leader" ?... IIRC sean specifically said he wanted to avoid a leader existing in their plan that you say are willing to follow ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    If people start introducing their own biases into this plan it won't work. We ALL have to agree to this, regardless of whomever is the top wagon at the time.

    Treat the plan as giving us two additional lynches/eliminations per day, then operate as normal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    We can't tell the difference between someone abstaining from shooting because they truly townread the person and someone abstaining from shooting because they're scumbuddies. As such, we need to ask townpeople to put their personal reads aside and view the ITAs as simply extra TKs.

    If you strongly townread someone and don't want them to get shot, petition against that wagon. If the thread still chooses them, then they need to be flipped.
    These people speak the truth, as town should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    Everyone else, please respond to this to agree to the plan.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    In the interest of not being a victim to a pointless @ ping

    I am fine with the plan
    As a sidenote however I will very likely miss one of the times (and not be present to shoot) as my sleeping often times includes one or the other. Especially when my college semester starts in a week.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I am probs the only rational person here cuz the rest are pacman players. In 5 sentences, how do we not lynch an inactive slot such as yours?
    It probably involves you recognizing you've said this 12 hours into a game that was advertised as 48 hour-long day phases
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    Okay, at this point, I am going to go to bed soon, but haven't heard any strong objections or requests for changes to the plan I proposed. In order to give people time to confirm they understand the plan, I'm going to lay it out now.

    Since I did not hear any objections, I'm going to insist we go with the following ITA plan:

    We will likely have enough ITAs to kill two extra people today. Here is how I propose we do it. Note that one facet of this plan is that while I will play some part in facilitating the plan, the plan is specifically designed to not have me have any extra power, so even if you don't townread me, you can trust the plan.

    There will be two "artificial deadlines" added in addition to the EoD deadline. One will be at 11 pm EST on 1/24 (when ITAs become available), and one will be at 7am EST on 1/24 (4 hours before EoD). Whomever is the top wagon at these artificial EoDs will very likely be killed, so please take this seriously!!

    At the first EoD, I will screenshot and post the current VC. If there is a tie, I will figure out who reached the "winning" number of votes first, so there is a unique person targeted. At that point I will ask people in the thread to ITA that person until they die. Hopefully they will die quickly so we can see their flip and re-evaluate before the second artificial EoD. The second artificial EoD will happen in the same way.

    Any ITAs that do NOT respect the votecount of the first or second artificial deadline will be considered a scum claim. Do NOT shoot outside the two names we agree on as a group.

    If you have read this plan and agree, please respond to this saying you agree. If you have questions, please ask well before the first artificial deadline.

    If anyone knows they'll be available at 7am EST on 11/24 can you volunteer to facilitate the second artificial deadline (figure out who is the vote, and get anyone who hasn't used their ITA yet to shoot that person)? I can try to be up then, but that is very early for me, so if someone else can agree to do it, that would be much better for me.

    Everyone else, please respond to this to agree to the plan.




    Is it 7am EST now?

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Also Hollowkatt has had about 2 or 3 takes on why Martin could be town and I'm inclined to take those and put Martin into my townlist.
    He has only 1 take on me and mentioned it 2-3 times

    why do you think me developing a stronger TR on PQR is worthy of me being town-read?

    do you trust HK to read me accurately and have good takes?
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    I don't have the "view vote count" button.

    Woe is me
    BradLand (1 [L-98]):
    NotPaopan
    PQRnHack (2 [L-97]):
    Seanzie, DoctorZeus
    Marshmallow Marshalt (1 [L-98]):
    Mesk514
    Stealthbomber16 (2 [L-97]):
    Marshmallow Marshalt, PQRnHack
    Gikkle (2 [L-97]):
    Takumi Fujiwara, deathworlds
    NotPaopan (1 [L-98]):
    MartinGG99

    There should be a "vote count" button at the top right-ish of the page along with "thread tools" and "search thread"

    Dunno if mobile misses that though. It shouldn't.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Townread:
    HollowKatt
    Seanzie
    PQR

    Townlean:
    Loldebite
    Dr.Zeus
    Gikkle

    Scumlean:
    Mesk


    Ya'know I thought I had way more results during my backread and I have a lot more players to sort through...

    This looks like a decent list though in terms of acquiring townreads.
    well I guess me missing from this answers my question
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    How many hours did it take your scum team to coach you to do this? loi
    m8 coaching like never happens in my experience unless the person knows absolutely nothing about FM and I have like 30-40 games so far

    Brad has played FM before just not here

    it feels like the concept of coaching is taught as a great and grandiose myth on this site
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Spoiler : masterplan :
    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    Okay, at this point, I am going to go to bed soon, but haven't heard any strong objections or requests for changes to the plan I proposed. In order to give people time to confirm they understand the plan, I'm going to lay it out now.

    Since I did not hear any objections, I'm going to insist we go with the following ITA plan:

    We will likely have enough ITAs to kill two extra people today. Here is how I propose we do it. Note that one facet of this plan is that while I will play some part in facilitating the plan, the plan is specifically designed to not have me have any extra power, so even if you don't townread me, you can trust the plan.

    There will be two "artificial deadlines" added in addition to the EoD deadline. One will be at 11 pm EST on 1/24 (when ITAs become available), and one will be at 7am EST on 1/24 (4 hours before EoD). Whomever is the top wagon at these artificial EoDs will very likely be killed, so please take this seriously!!

    At the first EoD, I will screenshot and post the current VC. If there is a tie, I will figure out who reached the "winning" number of votes first, so there is a unique person targeted. At that point I will ask people in the thread to ITA that person until they die. Hopefully they will die quickly so we can see their flip and re-evaluate before the second artificial EoD. The second artificial EoD will happen in the same way.

    Any ITAs that do NOT respect the votecount of the first or second artificial deadline will be considered a scum claim. Do NOT shoot outside the two names we agree on as a group.

    If you have read this plan and agree, please respond to this saying you agree. If you have questions, please ask well before the first artificial deadline.

    If anyone knows they'll be available at 7am EST on 11/24 can you volunteer to facilitate the second artificial deadline (figure out who is the vote, and get anyone who hasn't used their ITA yet to shoot that person)? I can try to be up then, but that is very early for me, so if someone else can agree to do it, that would be much better for me.

    Everyone else, please respond to this to agree to the plan.






    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Well, I would think there would be a difference, inasmuch as I should be able to present a solid reason for persisting in my defiance of the town's consensus. If I'm just being stubborn, then you can start to wonder what my motivations truly are.

    As for your second point, precisely why this whole thing is unlikely to happen - if I town read someone THAT strongly, either I have a good reason which I should be able to convince the town of to some degree or another, or I don't, and I should be convinced if I'm not hard headed. That doesn't mean this WON'T happen, though, for whatever reason.
    I don't find your reasoning sound. Wild things may happen, does that mean we should play around it ? No ! There will never be a guaranteed win, this being our best chance doesn't mean we'll win for sure. But since i do believe it will improve our odds of winning, why would i disagree ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    I don't know yet.

    Good.

    I have no experience with scum gikkle, but would you be this head-on if you were ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Pet read? What is that

    No, I have no problem with the plan, it seems fine. I just added a side note that in the unlikely scenario I happened to strongly town read the person in question I wouldn't shoot them.
    ... But the plan literally asks you to shoot him, so you do have a problem with the plan ?

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    You are acting way too chill. I am shooting you today, if my town team is ok with it.
    Wrong. Gikkle was a train for most of the OUaTitW game and remained chill the entire time. He was town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    not too sure what's going on at the moment tbh, Im battling a sore throat and a headache at the moment. that's what happens when you suck too much dick I'm going to get some well deserved rest and hopefully be fully participating by tomorrow. if not, I'll sub out.

    Duck ficks, but despite their best efforts, nothing shall prevent us from making an epic comeback against scum one day. This is only postponing that hour of glory.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    If scum are governing the POE the village is already losing.
    This is not entirely true, because scum can very easily coordinate to push the train that suits them best. With a day chat it is very likely quite trivial to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    - Loldebite I think I had a very thin scum read on for potential TMI? But it wasn't something I held water on
    What ? I basically only talked about PQR and paopan, and i'm pretty sure my stance on those slots is common knowledge. Really intrigued to see what you thought could be TMI.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    Every post this guy makes me more sure it'll be a hit
    I FEEL YOU, but sadly i've seen that same shit from PQR as both alignments, now. CF the Politico game for town!PQR.

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