S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

[PQRnHack]

i think frinckles is better chance of being scum at this point than my other reads

Are you implying that your reads are worse than mine and you are going for a 50/50? Come on.

[Takumi Fujiwara]

If you are town, I need you to help me please. Don't go off of shitty mechanical plays, you may as well throw me in your list of people to shoot (I still disagree with the others, but it seems most don't like what I pulled here, whatever).

What are your reads and why? SB16 and HK look very townie to me, so one of us (you and me) is wrong. If you are town, then we need to discuss together and figure out what we're missing. And i need you help because you know I suck at scum-reading.

What are your thoughts on Gikkle and Loldebite?

HK and SB were both poised to have been voting Paopan before his brains would have been blown out. SB wants to assert that he couldn't have bussed him because he was on him for such a long period of time but he's absolutely full of shit if you wants to sell that he's incapable of planting a vote and not giving a damn. HK has similar scum equity in that regard.

Why would SB or HK give a damn if they planted a vote on a Paopan who would probably want to be bussed anyway? The only thing that probably caught one or both of them off guard was the fact that you ended the day early.

They will both gaslight and push back, and that's fine. But when I'm looking at me reads list the only other people that raise significant suspicions are Martin and maybe Oliver. Martin for his bus, that made absolutely no sense to me. Oliver because he seems like he's frantically trying to figure out the next thing to say that doesn't sound bad.

Gikkle almost certainly was attacked by Mafia. If the bus was somehow a lie, he would be poisoned. Strongman is possible, but it gives Gikkle more evidence of being town because he was still switched.

Loldebite hasn't really said anything particularly interesting D2. I liked his D1.

Should be pretty easy to infer where I'll be shooting.

[PQRnHack]

-unvote

for now

[PQRnHack]

HK and SB were both poised to have been voting Paopan before his brains would have been blown out. SB wants to assert that he couldn't have bussed him because he was on him for such a long period of time but he's absolutely full of shit if you wants to sell that he's incapable of planting a vote and not giving a damn. HK has similar scum equity in that regard.

Why would SB or HK give a damn if they planted a vote on a Paopan who would probably want to be bussed anyway? The only thing that probably caught one or both of them off guard was the fact that you ended the day early.

They will both gaslight and push back, and that's fine. But when I'm looking at me reads list the only other people that raise significant suspicions are Martin and maybe Oliver. Martin for his bus, that made absolutely no sense to me. Oliver because he seems like he's frantically trying to figure out the next thing to say that doesn't sound bad.

Gikkle almost certainly was attacked by Mafia. If the bus was somehow a lie, he would be poisoned. Strongman is possible, but it gives Gikkle more evidence of being town because he was still switched.

Loldebite hasn't really said anything particularly interesting D2. I liked his D1.

Should be pretty easy to infer where I'll be shooting.

Oliver is gone-zo for sure, no offense, but he may have a bigger drinking problem than I lol.

But why would scum~Martin make a stupid play and reveal it? Again, you can say same to me and I am Town. Martin's reveal and shitty bussing is more of a town-tell to me, not a scum suspicion.

I ask you to research (please take your time) and comment on one rather important aspect. Everyone, including scum, were surely surprised by my termination of D1. Scum had 24/7 chat and an extended night to discuss. Please look at Loldebite, I feel like they tried to scum-paint me for my action. Know that scum were well aware that they did not terminate D1 (I did).

[Takumi Fujiwara]

This lobby has been stacked with players that know how to deny observed characteristics about themselves when they are applicable to their in-game behavior.

Is Martin the kind of player to carelessly bus somebody without putting significant amounts of thought into it? He says he is. Do you believe that?

Is SB the kind of player who would toss a vote on a scum partner early for towncred in case they're killed? He says he isn't. Not even on Paopan.

So there's some solving you can do there.

[PQRnHack]

This lobby has been stacked with players that know how to deny observed characteristics about themselves when they are applicable to their in-game behavior.

Is Martin the kind of player to carelessly bus somebody without putting significant amounts of thought into it? He says he is. Do you believe that?

Is SB the kind of player who would toss a vote on a scum partner early for towncred in case they're killed? He says he isn't. Not even on Paopan.

So there's some solving you can do there.

I am asking you to do the solving for I AM THE MAYOR PAOPAN! BOW DOWN TO ME! Stop being lazy, if you are town! Do what you tried to teach me.

[PQRnHack]

So there's some solving you can do there.

Don't ask ME to do the solving.

-vote Takumi Fujiwara

[Takumi Fujiwara]

Oliver is gone-zo for sure, no offense, but he may have a bigger drinking problem than I lol.

But why would scum~Martin make a stupid play and reveal it? Again, you can say same to me and I am Town. Martin's reveal and shitty bussing is more of a town-tell to me, not a scum suspicion.

I ask you to research (please take your time) and comment on one rather important aspect. Everyone, including scum, were surely surprised by my termination of D1. Scum had 24/7 chat and an extended night to discuss. Please look at Loldebite, I feel like they tried to scum-paint me for my action. Know that scum were well aware that they did not terminate D1 (I did).

Martin can write walls that will make you shit your pants.

He can take it as a compliment too but I don't buy the story I'm being sold of "oops, my bad yall tee hee."

Scum!Martin would need to out the bus because it gives feedback. Moreover, I would have instantly know why my poisoner didn't occur.

[Stealthbomber16]

Lol you guys are really trying to turn this into the 'frinckles isn't solving' show.

I figured out that my poison didn't go through because there was no message at day start.
That the bus was real, and suspicious.
That scum!gikkle + scum!martin 95% of the time isn't a thing.
PQR wasn't scum, purely off of his D1. (Even if your approach was heavy handed.)
HK and SB both have good reasons to be scum assuming they didn't know D1 would end early.

I've been asked for my opinion on things maybe, 5 times this game? Chiefly, "What do you think about ITAs?", "Yeah but why would I do that, when I simply could have done something else??" and my favorite, "Frinckles, what did you mean by this? Please repeat what you just typed."

So yeah, I've done plenty of solving. About as much as I'm capable of currently. My card basically got thrown in the dumpster and my second one along with it. If you want my honest opinion, SB16 & HK can catch a bullet, and so can Martin for that bus.

I still don't understand why I'm scum here FYPOV. Please explain that to me. I can't possibly see a world where you're town and you think I actually constructed a train on Pao from scratch and gathered a case against him with intent to hop off him before EoD, considering the fact that ITAs are a thing and there was a strong movement to ITA the top train during day 1.

[Stealthbomber16]

This lobby has been stacked with players that know how to deny observed characteristics about themselves when they are applicable to their in-game behavior.

Is Martin the kind of player to carelessly bus somebody without putting significant amounts of thought into it? He says he is. Do you believe that?

Is SB the kind of player who would toss a vote on a scum partner early for towncred in case they're killed? He says he isn't. Not even on Paopan.

So there's some solving you can do there.

There is a STRONG difference between "tossing" a vote on a scum partner and constructing the case on him that I did. I fucking worked for that train.

[Stealthbomber16]

If you're going to scumread me you need to have a better reason than the fact that I created a lynch train on scum. That doesn't work for me.

[PQRnHack]

There is a STRONG difference between "tossing" a vote on a scum partner and constructing the case on him that I did. I fucking worked for that train.

I am surprised no one called me out on a cheesy 5th vote on Paopan. Can you guess why I placed that vote before termination of D1?

[PQRnHack]

@Seanzie I really miss you Your soul and our goals are with me now. I was correct about you.

[Stealthbomber16]

Martin can write walls that will make you shit your pants.

He can take it as a compliment too but I don't buy the story I'm being sold of "oops, my bad yall tee hee."

Scum!Martin would need to out the bus because it gives feedback. Moreover, I would have instantly know why my poisoner didn't occur.

The bus does not give feedback. Gikkle used a card to observe Martin visiting him.

[Stealthbomber16]

I am surprised no one called me out on a cheesy 5th vote on Paopan. Can you guess why I placed that vote before termination of D1?

Yes I did notice it, and I know why you did it. And it's scummy as fuck. But I think you're town here for some reason, even though logistically you shouldn't be.

[Takumi Fujiwara]

I still don't understand why I'm scum here FYPOV. Please explain that to me. I can't possibly see a world where you're town and you think I actually constructed a train on Pao from scratch and gathered a case against him with intent to hop off him before EoD, considering the fact that ITAs are a thing and there was a strong movement to ITA the top train during day 1.

One simple enough reason is because you'd be confident enough to get away with it. I never implied you had intent to hop off his train either. You said that.

[PQRnHack]

Yes I did notice it, and I know why you did it. And it's scummy as fuck. But I think you're town here for some reason, even though logistically you shouldn't be.

Tell me why I did it I am curious to see if your reason is correct or not.

[Stealthbomber16]

One simple enough reason is because you'd be confident enough to get away with it. I never implied you had intent to hop off his train either. You said that.

I'm sorry, I assumed that I wouldn't have my vote on my scum partner all day on day 1 because that's stupid.

[Takumi Fujiwara]

I'm sorry, I assumed that I wouldn't have my vote on my scum partner all day on day 1 because that's stupid.

It wouldn't be if it worked. What you call a case against Paopan was literally you complimenting him on like page 3. I know RVS isn't the most informed stage of the game but you're not gonna gaslight me out of considering that you just wanted to bus Paopan.

[Takumi Fujiwara]

But sure I'll iso you more in a bit.

[deathworlds]

hey @oliverz144 unless you do something that shows you have the capacity and will to help town in either a mechanical way or in terms of actual scum hunting I'm going to do something funny

[PQRnHack]

But sure I'll iso you more in a bit.

You are getting shot today. Any last words, Frinkie?

[PQRnHack]

hey @oliverz144 unless you do something that shows you have the capacity and will to help town in either a mechanical way or in terms of actual scum hunting I'm going to do something funny

It will never happen.

[Takumi Fujiwara]

You are getting shot today. Any last words, Frinkie?

Don't miss.

[deathworlds]

who wants to see a cool trick?

[PQRnHack]

Don't miss.

I have a sharpshooter ability. So no worries on that one.

[PQRnHack]

who wants to see a cool trick?

Not me. Keep that to yourself.

[PQRnHack]

@Stealthbomber16 why did i vote paopan. Answer quickly! Or I will terminate you.

[PQRnHack]

-vote Stealthbomber16

[PQRnHack]

-unvote

Go for it DW

[deathworlds]

-unvote

Go for it DW

Do you wanna see a cool trick?

[PQRnHack]

Do you wanna see a cool trick?

Not me. Keep that to yourself.

[PQRnHack]

Do you wanna see a cool trick?

Considering I am somewhat immortal and will forever work with my town. Yes, sure, show me the trick. You asked twice, seems dumb to do so as scum. Trick me, boi!

[PQRnHack]

@deathworlds you are welcome for whatever you are about to do. I wanted to use my abilities and have done so. Have fun!

[PQRnHack]

-vote deathworlds

just in case

[deathworlds]

yhmmmmm

better to use it on a scum read

[deathworlds]

i think I'' wait until hk pops on

[PQRnHack]

yhmmmmm

better to use it on a scum read

Does my vote on you matter?

[deathworlds]

Does my vote on you matter?

not at all

[PQRnHack]

not at all

Then I will leave it there

[deathworlds]

not at all

well in terms of the trick, no, but the fact that you have a vote on me during a double elimination with a ton of future ita shots going around does unnverve me a little bit

[PQRnHack]

i think I'' wait until hk pops on

Tell me why you attempted to engage prematurely.

[deathworlds]

Tell me why you attempted to engage prematurely.

tired

[deathworlds]

tired

kind of impatient to use basically my last ability of the game

[Stealthbomber16]

It wouldn't be if it worked. What you call a case against Paopan was literally you complimenting him on like page 3. I know RVS isn't the most informed stage of the game but you're not gonna gaslight me out of considering that you just wanted to bus Paopan.

Did you miss this part of the day?
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post956512

[PQRnHack]

kind of impatient to use basically my last ability of the game

I used my abilities already. Why did you ask me (of all people) if i wanted to see your trick? I have nothing to lose so im down.

[Stealthbomber16]

@Stealthbomber16 why did i vote paopan. Answer quickly! Or I will terminate you.

To hit the lynch cap to activate your executioner ability, saving you from being "mislynched".

I put mislynched in quotes because everything about this is incredibly scummy.

[deathworlds]

I used my abilities already. Why did you ask me (of all people) if i wanted to see your trick? I have nothing to lose so im down.

because the phrase itself is kind of funny

[PQRnHack]

Did you miss this part of the day?
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post956512

Hey asshole, WHY DID I VOTE PAOPAN!!!!

[deathworlds]

Hey asshole, WHY DID I VOTE PAOPAN!!!!

how dare you call my beloved sb an asshole, you asshole