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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    loldebite Be wary of this slot. This slot is going to vote me up later on and will use his/her "personal beef" with me as an excuse to hide the real motives.
    Great, now you have reading comprehension issues on top of all the others. I accused PQR of spamming, not you.

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    OK you mean PQ pocketing you. But you know very well from past games that I've done this as all alignments because I think it is cheap to target a player without reasonable rationale and solely based on their past or their character. So why is that scum-lean from me? I ain't gonna lynch you for being who you are, but I will lynch you for scum-tells I detect in your responses and/or for flawed arguments.
    I'll have to disagree, there is reasonable rationale : if paopan can do well as scum (as he has), but is dead weight if town, what's the point in keeping him around ? But regardless of his actual usefulness as town, i never paopan, i simply don't understand that guy. What he does as town, looks like scum garbage to me...
    That being said i'm not entirely convinced this is a good approach myself, or i'd be voting him.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    Great, now you have reading comprehension issues on top of all the others. I accused PQR of spamming, not you.



    I'll have to disagree, there is reasonable rationale : if paopan can do well as scum (as he has), but is dead weight if town, what's the point in keeping him around ? But regardless of his actual usefulness as town, i never TOWNREAD paopan, i simply don't understand that guy. What he does as town, looks like scum garbage to me...
    That being said i'm not entirely convinced this is a good approach myself, or i'd be voting him.
    i forgot a word...

  4. ISO #604

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    You are acting way too chill. I am shooting you today, if my town team is ok with it.
    Do you have other reasons to shoot gikkle?

    This one just sounds prone to self-bias because IME you're a very hyper-active irritable player while Gikkle is kinda the polar opposite of that in general as of late

    and I don't think its really AI
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Yeah you're not doing the thing but you're also not doing the other thing, which is leaving me in a "what the fuck" state on you.
    When's the last time you played with Gikkle?
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  7. ISO #607

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    if not, I'll sub out.
    Another thing to those whom may not realize:

    Guillo tends to not like discussion of replacements / substitutions unless its like critically necessary (ex: talking to someone who replaced into a game about the person before them in their slot).

    Especially not discussion about whether a player can or would sub/replace-out.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  8. ISO #608

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    When's the last time you played with Gikkle?
    Sometime in the fall? Played about 4 games with him. First 2 were a town/mafia game respectively, then I figured something out about what he does as both alignments and used it to call him as town and mafia correctly in the next 2 games.

  9. ISO #609

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    J WORD.

    I mean, there might be a jester, I'd have to check
    Jester cards do exist.

    Two games were won with jesters (I think). They currently aren't exclusive wins as far as we know.

    Guillo however has recently tinfoiled maybe patching them to end-game and be exclusive to any other wincon because last Deck Mafia game apparently there were 3 ways to screw over the jester by town but apparently noone used them because they wanted to be nice to the jester or whatever.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

  10. ISO #610

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Sometime in the fall? Played about 4 games with him. First 2 were a town/mafia game respectively, then I figured something out about what he does as both alignments and used it to call him as town and mafia correctly in the next 2 games.
    Huh.

    That's kinda recent.

    I thought if you meant like closer to a year ago then yeah I would agree he's changed, but afaik in terms of playing on his main account he hasn't changed much (though I have largely only played with him on this site for the most part recently).
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Sometime in the fall? Played about 4 games with him. First 2 were a town/mafia game respectively, then I figured something out about what he does as both alignments and used it to call him as town and mafia correctly in the next 2 games.
    Is judgmental wailord satisfied now ?

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    Issue noted. I think we deal with how to cross that bridge when we come to it.

    For now, are you willing to commit to the plan (or some variant of it? I want to leave room in case people think of any way to make it even more +EV, but I'd guess having a good chance at 2 extra TKs and almost guaranteed 1 extra TK while removing the agency of people who agree to the plan (PoE plans could also work, but that leaves wolves with agency, which significantly decreases the EV of the plan) is going to be hard to beat.
    Sure as long as the concensus agrees with me. I tend to lock in my reads sometimes and I’ll make my reads known and try to convince others before.

  16. ISO #616

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    Good day everyone! It is I, Paopan back from the dead
    ~9 hours has already passed and I kinda like how the thread revolves around me for a bit.
    So what do we have here. Ohhh nice, I'm the top voted player again. Juicy~ To be honest I want to take the first ITA shot. My gambling sense is tinkling because of this. This should be included in every FM game.
    It's read list time!! Feel free to quote your respective slot and we'll go back to back from there on. ISO links are broken so faaaaaaaaaaak this is gonna be harsh

    Marshmallow Marshalt
    Hello Marshmallow, how dare you notice deathworlds vote whilst ignore mine???
    Are you creating some distance between us. I mean that's okay if you are scum!MM
    But I know how to read you so it's only a matter of time

    MartinGG99
    Hello. This is our first time playing with each other I believe (you are just an host before)
    Instead of parrying other players' opinions. Might be your playstyle I don't know yet.
    But tell me what do you personally think about PQ and Gikkle??

    StealthBomber16
    Sup fellow scum. Where u at? Talk to us later okay??
    If you lie low for more than 24h I will vote heavily scum read you okay??

    Mesk514
    Locking someone as town 5h after the game has passed. Pretty sus??? brooo.

    loldebite
    Be wary of this slot. This slot is going to vote me up later on and will use his/her "personal beef" with me as an excuse to hide the real motives.

    Also, -1 for blatant lies about me spamming, everyone here can refer to the archived games involving me and I will guarantee you I am not in any of the top 5 posters of all those games.

    Deathworlds
    Oh you voted me. It's okay, we need to know each other first.
    Sup man. Ur old player but we new to each other lah?
    NGL but I like your MM vote also.
    Guess we both got fooled by scum!MM in the past???

    Boba Fett
    Sup. I have seen any substance from you yet.
    Since this is the first time you are playing on this site (I'm currently assuming you aren't anon)
    Are you new or experienced in FM? Just sooo we can place our expectations from you ya know...

    Gikkle
    Your first post of the day is to vote me without explanation.
    Then your follow-up quote is to say hollowkatt is sus?
    Doesn't make any sense coming from you (as a strong player I believe)
    Currently, that's a pretty weak vote even in an RVS stage

    Hollowkatt
    Heya. Nice meeting you! Are you new to FM or only just new to this site?
    Give this lamb some info about your experience on this game

    DoctorZeus
    Hey! I think you are not new to FM. But welcome to the site.
    What do you think of me, Paopan?

    Takumi Fujiwara
    YOU ARE DRIVING AN AE86. CONFIRMED TOWN!!

    PQRnHack
    Just meh. When I was town and you are scum (with MM)
    On day 1, you buddied with me but even though I knew it was obvious.
    I like having friends on day 1, but I also hate that's one of the reasons why we lost as a town on day 2.
    Using that as a reference, right now, I am scum-leaning you but I want you to change my mind. We still have 40h or so~

    Seanzie
    I like and hate on how he is trying to establish himself as town leader. (Must be me!!)
    In any case, his clash with PQ and ITA idea deserves a +1 but I'll hold it for now
    Although this is my first time playing with Seanzie, so if he's a strong player, it's pretty good to have him as town.

    Now that I have placed my trap cards. I will end my turn
    I am decent at the game. Not new, I am new here.
    Is early and not much to say. I like Sean and hack so far

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Boba Fett View Post
    I am decent at the game. Not new, I am new here.
    Is early and not much to say. I like Sean and hack so far
    Where have you played before? Have you played Deck Mafia? Do you play under different names?

    Me and PQR seem to be easy people to give reads on. Do you have thoughts on anyone that haven't been read by almost the entire thread?

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Hello,
    I have requested to sub out. I have a fever and not feeling too well.
    It's a shame because I was looking forward to this game but alas, I don't think it would be fair for you all if I feel like I'm dying.
    Good luck
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
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  21. ISO #621

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    I had this thought when reading HK originally, like his mech talk looked really good but I held off waiting to see his reads, but he outed his reads on Seanzie and Martin and the explanations, at least for Martin, looked like good analysis that I can follow. So that's why I put him at the top of my reads list.
    What do you think about my play being almost exclusively mech talk as of now? It seems you gave me a townread for a rather weak reason, and I find this quite weird that you took someone talking about me as an opportunity not to put depth into your read on me, but to to talk about someone else. Is DZ's point on me worrying to you? If not, why not?

  22. ISO #622

    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    What do you think about my play being almost exclusively mech talk as of now? It seems you gave me a townread for a rather weak reason, and I find this quite weird that you took someone talking about me as an opportunity not to put depth into your read on me, but to to talk about someone else. Is DZ's point on me worrying to you? If not, why not?
    Like I said in my catchup read post, you had a decent tunnel/push going, which being on the receiving end multiple times basically looks like you're just in town meta.

    You did spend a shit ton of time talking about mech. The concern is slightly there but the start was strong enough to overtake that.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Like I said in my catchup read post, you had a decent tunnel/push going, which being on the receiving end multiple times basically looks like you're just in town meta.

    You did spend a shit ton of time talking about mech. The concern is slightly there but the start was strong enough to overtake that.
    I pushed both you and Fext much harder last game than I did here.

    What makes my posts on Page 1 a "tunnel"? Voicing a read is not a tunnel.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    I pushed both you and Fext much harder last game than I did here.

    What makes my posts on Page 1 a "tunnel"? Voicing a read is not a tunnel.
    You practically took every response from PQR and found a reason that it was scummy. Something that you practically did in both games you tunneled me in.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    You practically took every response from PQR and found a reason that it was scummy. Something that you practically did in both games you tunneled me in.
    No I didn't. I stated two things about PQR's enterance that I found scummy, then after they over-reacted, I hinted that I thought that was scummy too. There were like 10 more posts in that interaction, where I actually stated very few reasons why I thought PQR was scum.

    Hmm... Brad, you town? Or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    Not role. There is a jester card though that someone can play- only person I know who has it isn't in the game.


    BUT- TMI TMI TMI PQRN is baddie.

    Point 1: They know about cults (see previous post I quoted)
    Point 2: They are now asking about jester roles (implying to me they are talking about an alignment)

    Someone's shown them jester exists and is mega thing. Trying to derp clear
    Point 1: I know about Deck Mafia Discord. Yeah, TMI, maybe I should not have read the rules eh?

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by BradLand View Post
    Eh what you replied to and talked about wasn't really moving the game forward, so he's still giving you the side eye.

    What are your reads at this moment?
    Sean is also a stronger TR, because he insisted on pushing a town-favouring strategy and did so early which raised discussions to base our reads off.
    Takumi Fujiwara aka Frinckles is a slight TR too, because he was the most opposed to sean's plan and i think his reticence isn't baseless, because as i said before it's very easy for scum to dominate and lead wagons on D1 especially.
    Deathworlds is a slight town lean, seems reasonable and his support of sean's plan looks legit.
    Martin is a slight TR, i liked and agreed with his read on PQR at the time.
    DoctorZeus is a slight TR, because i also agree with the reasoning, in fact that's very close to what i thought about the slot in my first game with him.
    Bradland is a slight TR, the entry was pretty good and constructive.
    Hollowkatt is null, i don't think his indignation
    MM is null for now.
    Paopan is still his null self.
    PQR has had good posts but also some strange/unhelpful ones, so he's null.
    Gikkle is gikkle-y null, too. Probably less mechanical than usual, but how could it be otherwise ?
    Mesk/Oliverz is null despite our reciprocated troll towncore claims.
    SB is roleplaying me and will show up in 2hs. Null.
    Boba fett's comment about how "town will go for hero shots" also struck me as odd, because i really doubt any decent good willed player would go against the consensus to kill. I could see them refusing to shoot, tho, and that's why i null read gikkle. Slight scum read.

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Sorry, who is Bluekang?

    Also, I am not 3P or mafia. Tonality may or may not be a function of alcoholic beverage consumption btw :P
    Bradland

    I guessed that was the case for at least the stuff late at night with the 3p stuff, but surely that doesn't apply to every post you've made?

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    Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus View Post
    lol I bet eating a ban is part of this.

    I don't get the bluekang vindictive meta though. I've always found him thoroughly pleasant
    Pleasant, sure, but in the games I played with him he's come in to the game swinging with his chat mafia skills ready to solve the game .2 seconds in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Meta wise this doesn’t really feel like mafia PQRn. He could be neutral like I said (tonally he feels different from both his town games and his scum games) but I don’t really see the need to go after the 3p right now.
    Some time ago he and I talked about strategies he could use to be a better player and I recommended he try to find town/form a towncore.

    I think what we're seeing is either a heavy-handed approach to it, as DW pointed out or he's scum flying with it and sprinkling in some AtE.

    Can't say for sure. I'm guilty of having done both before when I was still learning the game. I wanted a towncore so bad in a Champs game that I got a wolf in my top reads (HollowWolf.)

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    /exist

    Quote Originally Posted by Seanzie View Post
    Okay, at this point, I am going to go to bed soon, but haven't heard any strong objections or requests for changes to the plan I proposed. In order to give people time to confirm they understand the plan, I'm going to lay it out now.

    Since I did not hear any objections, I'm going to insist we go with the following ITA plan:

    We will likely have enough ITAs to kill two extra people today. Here is how I propose we do it. Note that one facet of this plan is that while I will play some part in facilitating the plan, the plan is specifically designed to not have me have any extra power, so even if you don't townread me, you can trust the plan.

    There will be two "artificial deadlines" added in addition to the EoD deadline. One will be at 11 pm EST on 1/24 (when ITAs become available), and one will be at 7am EST on 1/24 (4 hours before EoD). Whomever is the top wagon at these artificial EoDs will very likely be killed, so please take this seriously!!

    At the first EoD, I will screenshot and post the current VC. If there is a tie, I will figure out who reached the "winning" number of votes first, so there is a unique person targeted. At that point I will ask people in the thread to ITA that person until they die. Hopefully they will die quickly so we can see their flip and re-evaluate before the second artificial EoD. The second artificial EoD will happen in the same way.

    Any ITAs that do NOT respect the votecount of the first or second artificial deadline will be considered a scum claim. Do NOT shoot outside the two names we agree on as a group.

    If you have read this plan and agree, please respond to this saying you agree. If you have questions, please ask well before the first artificial deadline.

    If anyone knows they'll be available at 7am EST on 11/24 can you volunteer to facilitate the second artificial deadline (figure out who is the vote, and get anyone who hasn't used their ITA yet to shoot that person)? I can try to be up then, but that is very early for me, so if someone else can agree to do it, that would be much better for me.

    Everyone else, please respond to this to agree to the plan.




    Hmm, makes sense, at least for the start of the game, when town has a clear majority and when it's useful to analyze people's reactions to the consensus. When scum get closer to parity, though, this is going to be a little more touchy. We'll see when we get there, though. For now, I'm in.

    Oh and although I don't have a great knowledge of Seanzie's meta, this is much more similar to town!Seanzie than to scum!Seanzie. Meta-read based on... 2 games, 1 town 1 scum, so take it with a pinch of salt lol. Making a plan isn't inherently towny, but it's not scummy either, the plan makes sense, and my weak metaread makes him sort of trust Seanzie here.
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    This is great Sean, the scum are probably trembling in a corner right now LETS GO TEAM!!!!
    I don't have a high level of confidence in reading PQ, considering I death tunnelled him in a TvT situation last game I played with him, but I'd at least like to have other people's thoughts on this post, because it looks fake to me. It's not like Seanzie's plan is actually solving anything, it just makes the shots follow the will of the People instead of following individuals' impulses. Scum trembling in a corner?

 

 

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