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  1. ISO #201

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Well, SB16 seems about as rational and towny as he normally is. Possibly third party. That's last bit is a joke before somebody gets confused and MM has to explain it to them. Apparently Guillo claimed Medic? That's weird.
    (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶

  2. ISO #202

  3. ISO #203

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    If Oliver was a brand new player who tends to be overly aggressive without thinking about the consequences of his posts, then you would be right. But here, it seems safe to rule out that possibility, considering it makes no sense as scum and is obviously not going to result in Lag getting lynched; he'd have to be a lunatic to believe he could actually get Lag lynched that way.
    He wouldn't think he could actually get Lag out based on that, no. It'd all be for show just to make people think "this guy is town, he entered the game swinging!"

    I don't necessarily think one possibility is much more likely than the other, which is why in my original post about this I mentioned that I wanted to see more from Oliverz.

  4. ISO #204

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Well, SB16 seems about as rational and towny as he normally is. Possibly third party. That's last bit is a joke before somebody gets confused and MM has to explain it to them. Apparently Guillo claimed Medic? That's weird.
    Oh geezus christ.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

  5. ISO #205

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  7. ISO #207

    Cool Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Means killing or chopping someone out of fear of his quality as a player.

    The reasons you guys are giving is "oh so so player is so good that I could easily get snowed if he is scum so let's kill them before they snow us, in case they are a wolf", which is a poor excuse to find to push someone.

    If Lag is chopped in this game is because we find their behavior scummy or he slips, or he commits to misyeets every day and we have to resolve them to clear PoE, not because he could be this mighty player that makes your legs tremble in fear.
    Stupidest (is that a word?) msg i read today. I was already called out for being too confident. Now I am fearful lol Awesome!

  8. ISO #208

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Yah I'm the medic, live with it.

    I'm the best killer you will ever meet, night vigilante or day vigilante? Guillotina got you. But medic? I always end up protecting scum, trust me, you are better off not having me protecting anyone.
    Word. Just making sure the scum team is aware so that way I don't have to deal with a medic claim living into day 2. Unfortunately there are a lot of players in this lobby that would gladly risk losing a NK for that wifom.
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  9. ISO #209

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    If Oliverz is town, good chance MM could be trying to whiteknight here. Not 100% since I can kind of see where he's coming from, but it's still strange that he presumes Oliverz is town and argued about what Oliverz was going for based on that assumption. It's more indicative of TMI than not, imo.
    If Oliverz is scum, MM is likely town.

  10. ISO #210

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    I voiced support for it because I think it's optimal play.

    For several reasons:

    - Power roles should be claimed before we're close to LYLO, because otherwise we risk running into a scenario where 1 day to LYLO is actually LYLO because scum have vote manipulation power roles.
    - None of the powers other than medic are actually pro-town, just pro-that-slot, so a mass-claim doesn't cause us to lose anything like a cop
    - The power roles actually are alignment indicative, because the setup is hand-picked, we can infer information about the scum equity of slots based on what role scum flipped scum have

    Notably, if it gets to be too late in the game before the claim, then we run into a scenario where scum power roles just claim vanilla and we don't have time to chop through all possible liars (kind of like red check claims in LYLO)
    Lag, we just started the game, we are not close to LYLO so why bring up claiming now? hmm? To help scum figure out who the real important pro-town PRs are so they are hunted down? You know this, you are an exceptional player and I will judge you with higher standards than everyone else.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

  11. ISO #211

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Stupidest (is that a word?) msg i read today. I was already called out for being too confident. Now I am fearful lol Awesome!
    Yah well I'm sorry for your rand, when scum can't explain their reads what they do next is insult the townie pushing them. I will have your head today!
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

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  13. ISO #213

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Word. Just making sure the scum team is aware so that way I don't have to deal with a medic claim living into day 2. Unfortunately there are a lot of players in this lobby that would gladly risk losing a NK for that wifom.
    Unfortunately?
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

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  24. ISO #224

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    If Oliverz is town, good chance MM could be trying to whiteknight here. Not 100% since I can kind of see where he's coming from, but it's still strange that he presumes Oliverz is town and argued about what Oliverz was going for based on that assumption. It's more indicative of TMI than not, imo.
    If Oliverz is scum, MM is likely town.
    So in other words, I'm either wrong or scum because of a mindmeld and an assumption favoring logic over pointless and weird play? You know what... I'm gonna put my veto on this lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  25. ISO #225

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    PQR is scum
    Voss is scum

    But at least PQR has not frozen and is fighting back.

    Voss is frozen. Maybe
    Voss is known for his low activity, high content style. Or well, he was known when he actually played, this is his first game in a while actually. I don't think this is a frozen wolf, just standard Voss who has a life. That doesn't make him town, though, just not scum for that specific reason.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  26. ISO #226

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I disagree, it's Paopan's meta to spew "mayo" regardless of alignment. And with that, I have answered your other question.
    Do you think Pao isn’t self aware enough to realize this?
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

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  28. ISO #228

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Today is my birthday btw, send me presents!
    Okay! I won't vote you today

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    From now on, posts are to be in English (i.e. the language used in this post). While using English is not a rule by itself, it should be well-known that many players here likely are not fluent in the same language as others are fluent in except English. Therefore, it will be treated as an attempt to create a password-protected message.
    Chill. Chill. I already hired a translator. I can now speak proper English! The Anglo-Saxons would be so proud of me. But yeah... minus scredits for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loldebite View Post
    OH also, if paopan has a vote tomorrow, judge is dead.
    Are you soft-claiming judge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    This list prompted me to go and read Paopan's posts and wow what a meme.
    I've seen Paopan play in several games now and this lack-of-content posting feels very reminiscent to the Murder in the Mid-Atlantic game I hosted where he was wolf. Just noise with no content.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    I think it's too early to tell, honestly. His posts so far I think could come from both T!Paopan and S!Paopan. In 333 (scum) and 334 (town), early on, he was pretty unhelpful in both games.
    Both of you are actually very rude that I almost want to OMGUS. I actually felt I had an awesome opening on the RVS stage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    Yah I'm the medic, live with it.

    I'm the best killer you will ever meet, night vigilante or day vigilante? Guillotina got you. But medic? I always end up protecting scum, trust me, you are better off not having me protecting anyone.
    Sorry. But I'm counterclaiming this. I'm the real medic.

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  30. ISO #230

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Voss is known for his low activity, high content style. Or well, he was known when he actually played, this is his first game in a while actually. I don't think this is a frozen wolf, just standard Voss who has a life. That doesn't make him town, though, just not scum for that specific reason.
    Or he is just waiting it out.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

  31. ISO #231

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    For now. I'll park my vote here.

    -vote Guillo


    I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Guillo somehow puts me off.
    -vote NotPaopan


    I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Pao somehow puts me off.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

  32. ISO #232

  33. ISO #233

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    -vote NotPaopan


    I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Pao somehow puts me off.
    Pao “somehow puts you off”? He just CC’d you. That’s pretty weak dude.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

  34. ISO #234

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    So in other words, I'm either wrong or scum because of a mindmeld and an assumption favoring logic over pointless and weird play? You know what... I'm gonna put my veto on this lol.
    No, I think you could be right and be town, but you trying to put words in Oliverz mouth (#169, #179) was very strange. #179 was also strange with the comments that it was "obvious he was not literal" because it "would not make sense", and later when I asked about whether that was dismissing the possibility of S!Oliverz doing it for scummy reasoning, you brought up an extreme scenario (#194, your point about Oliverz having to be a lunatic if he thought he could get Lag lynched from the beginning of the day. Not sure if this is just because you misinterpreted what I was saying? You never responded to me correcting you about what I meant by "early aggression") to dismiss my whole point about the possible justification S!Oliverz may have had where it would make sense for them to make a literal post like that so early on.

    Your prior explanation for why Oliverz was town ( #168 ) didn't make much sense either. Here is what you said:

    "There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly. "

    This does not match up with what Oliverz has actually done.

    "Pointing (Lag's alleged change in tone) out" - This is Marshmallow putting words in Oliverz mouth, which is what we talked about afterwards and which he acknowledges as a possibility in #179. The only thing Oliverz did publicly say was that Lag wasn't doing a full mechanical plan and "being smart town" like they were last game. Oliverz did not point out any kind of change in tone or anything like that.
    "Starting the discussion strongly" - Strongly worded, sure. I wouldn't call it "starting the discussion strongly" though, as it wasn't strong in it's structure, considering he doesn't talk about it all after that and the explanation is pretty lackluster.
    "Making people take a stance about his read" - Never happened.

    This is just a very strange read altogether and seems a lot like you're trying to justify something you don't really believe in. Maybe I'm wrong? It's just weird on the surface and your answers so far have only raised more questions.

    Sorry if this doesn't make much sense or is jumbled, I'm a bit tired.

  35. ISO #235

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    -vote NotPaopan


    I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Pao somehow puts me off.
    No no. I voted for you because you literally scum read almost everyone here.
    On the other hand, I was just trying to get to know you better cos I am familiar with everyone here except you.

  36. ISO #236

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Pao “somehow puts you off”? He just CC’d you. That’s pretty weak dude.
    -vote Stealthbomber16


    We need to team up more NotPaoPan! Did you see how Stealthbomber fell for that reaction test like a neewbie scum?

    SCUM

    PQR
    Voss
    Stealth



    Stealth, in case you didnt see what hit you.

    1) I may or may not have fake claim medic to provide cover for the real medic.
    2) NotPao may or may not have CCed me to provide cover for the real medic or for me. Because i dont believe he'd CC me if he was the real medic nor he'd CC me if he was scum and trade 1 for 1 for me. So he is just town.
    3) You saw an opportunity to shade me and try to pocket Pao and went for it and got caught.

    My work is done! Solved the game on day 1 like always.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

  37. ISO #237

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    No no. I voted for you because you literally scum read almost everyone here.
    On the other hand, I was just trying to get to know you better cos I am familiar with everyone here except you.
    That is incorrect. I scum read two, I RTed the rest.
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

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  41. ISO #241

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Aight, time to focus on this game. I got mislynched in the past hour on another website.

    Here's an overview. We are still at the RVS stage. I don't get why some people hated this, this is literally like, one of the best stages in FM. Now, let's talk about two things. Setup and players

    Setup:
    I don't think everyone should reveal their roles.
    I mean... Oliver suggested everyone reveal except the medic and voter. Like, seriously?
    Assuming everyone here didn't take gaokao. I am still expecting everyone here to know how to add and subtract.
    As for the Medic,

    Marshmallow Marshall - MM pocketed me and is successful. MM is a low-lying bastard if scum.
    Lag - Lag can both be beneficial or disastrous to town.
    Gikkle - Unlike before, I'm now familiar with Gikkle. I tunnelled the guy for the first 3 days and he flips town. I like his recent post, so yeah.
    Loldebite - Yeet this, seriously. No explanation needed!!!
    PQRnHack - Not provoking/starting a train on me?? seems new. He did it as scum before. So positive review for this guy atm.
    oliverz144 - Attacking Lag straight out for meta reasons. I'm not familiar. First impression might be a bus with Lag.
    Freckles - Goddamn Shark. Confirmed town!
    Voss - buddying with oliver, skipping RVS, straight up IIoA post. I hate it. If Guillo wasn't active, I'll 100% vote for Voss.
    Guillo - Scum reading half the pop. Still testing the waters on this guy.
    Renegade - Renren is beloved Mayor in which I was last game, so I fully knew how big the responsibility of Mayor. I'm a medic and I'll protect you renren
    Stealthbomber16 - Seeing no excessive AtE (if town) atm. Feels good, but also wary.

    Now noobs, inspect and scumread my read list.

  42. ISO #242

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    In case people did not know:

    There are links with the words "ISO" to the left of the player names in the player list of the first post (OP) of the thread. I made them so its easy for everyone. It also includes my own ISO at the top of the list.
    A.K.A "That One Idiot"

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  45. ISO #245

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    Errr...
    PQ, Voss, Lag, Me, Stealth ??
    I mean, we all know there are only three scum so IF all scum were in that list, im wrong about two of them, now tell me, why do you associate suspecting several players with being scum? I'm uninformed, wouldnt be more suspicious if i was townreading half the playerlist on day 1?
    Tell the truth and you'll lie good.

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  48. ISO #248

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    I'll be back in 9 hours or so to reread the day. Thank you for not making this a 15 page day one, everyone

    my last reads list is still pretty accurate, but I haven't read page 5.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  49. ISO #249

  50. ISO #250

    Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    -vote Stealthbomber16


    We need to team up more NotPaoPan! Did you see how Stealthbomber fell for that reaction test like a neewbie scum?

    SCUM

    PQR
    Voss
    Stealth



    Stealth, in case you didnt see what hit you.

    1) I may or may not have fake claim medic to provide cover for the real medic.
    2) NotPao may or may not have CCed me to provide cover for the real medic or for me. Because i dont believe he'd CC me if he was the real medic nor he'd CC me if he was scum and trade 1 for 1 for me. So he is just town.
    3) You saw an opportunity to shade me and try to pocket Pao and went for it and got caught.

    My work is done! Solved the game on day 1 like always.
    I… what?

    1. Yeah, I recognized that and called someone out for commenting on it
    2. You don’t think he’d CC you if he were real medic? Why not?
    3. Lol ok

    I’m just confused, more than anything. Like you just broke the entire theoretical smokescreen by making this play and you didn’t even get anything out of it.

    I’m pretty sure you genuinely got counterclaimed and are trying to dig your way out of the hole because I called you out for a weak response…

    This is the post that really breaks the illusion, by the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillo View Post
    NotPaoPan are you a new player to mafia?
    This shows me that you aren’t confident in this gambit. All that you just did was potentially out the medic. I fail to see how what you’re doing is pro-town.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    Anyways I shot Brad due to my morbid fear of zombies.

 

 

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