S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

[Voss]

*Proceeds to try to CFD a slot that was literally afk at EoD*

Like what the actual fuck was that EoD? Starting a CFD on a slot for the crime of not being able to be online at the time?
And states attorney vote as well?

I don't see where Renegade votes you for being afk.

[Renegade]

It didn't have much to do with Lag not being present at EOD, I just thought that slot was a better choice over Frinckles, but both of them were okay with me.

As for PQ, while I think his D1 is kinda scummy, I think D2 will tell.

What are the odds that both the States Attorney AND Lag are both scum and the vote is a total distraction?

[Renegade]

I need some time to process the deaths and additional info before I drop a vote today.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

.............
why was Frinckles, of all people, lynched?

I'd vote for Lag or Oliverz over PQR.

I hardclaim Guillotina's Reincarnation, agree with his reads, and hereby state that Voss is scum.

-vote Voss

Sure, and then you "stayed on Frinckles"... because REASONS??

Also, where is the resistance to PQ lynch coming from? How comes baby shark and pizza otter Frinckles gets lynched over him? And how comes Lag was tied with him instead? It's quite obvious scum were unhappy with where the game was going and decided things had to change.

PQ/Voss scum team, + maybe Loldebite who kept changing votes only to end up going on an entirely unexplained Renegade wagon at EoD (After having voted oliver, then me, then PQ).

[Lumi]

@Lag what are your thoughts right now?

Guillo death seems to be because he claimed medic and wolves feared him as a town leader able to start a CFD on whomever he wants, including probably the worst CFD candidate in the game - a slot that was busy for the latter half of day 1.

Since the wagons were t/t at EoD I suspect that the wolves are the people that were off-wagon, it makes much more sense for them to just try to sit back and let town implode rather than to get involved in close wagons and risk falling under heavy scrutiny for being on the "wrong" wagon since the wrong wagon is unpredictable in which one will actually flip.

Renegade is the obvious exception to this though, his egging on of the Frinckles train only to jump off of it at the last second reads a lot like a wolf trying to avoid being on "the wrong wagon"

[oliverz144]

Frinckles train had 3/4 of Guillo's scum list (Oliver, Voss, PQR), and the alternate wagon was the 4th member of his scum list (Lag). If we think Guillo was killed for accurate reads, then that is something notable.

this intends that im scum
or voss is scum
or pqr is scum

[Lumi]

I don't see where Renegade votes you for being afk.

It's in the EoD vote tally, my last post on day 1 was 22 hours before EoD

[Gikkle]

.............
why was Frinckles, of all people, lynched?



I hardclaim Guillotina's Reincarnation, agree with his reads, and hereby state that Voss is scum.

-vote Voss

Sure, and then you "stayed on Frinckles"... because REASONS??

Also, where is the resistance to PQ lynch coming from? How comes baby shark and pizza otter Frinckles gets lynched over him? And how comes Lag was tied with him instead? It's quite obvious scum were unhappy with where the game was going and decided things had to change.

PQ/Voss scum team, + maybe Loldebite who kept changing votes only to end up going on an entirely unexplained Renegade wagon at EoD (After having voted oliver, then me, then PQ).

If you're town, Voss is likely scum, I would agree.

[Lumi]

It didn't have much to do with Lag not being present at EOD, I just thought that slot was a better choice over Frinckles, but both of them were okay with me.

As for PQ, while I think his D1 is kinda scummy, I think D2 will tell.

What are the odds that both the States Attorney AND Lag are both scum and the vote is a total distraction?

Why did you think my slot was a better choice over Frinckles?

[oliverz144]

I need some time to process the deaths and additional info before I drop a vote today.

and i suppose a vote- free time of 24h after SOD2
many information we have
not quick hammering is good

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Guillo death seems to be because he claimed medic and wolves feared him as a town leader able to start a CFD on whomever he wants, including probably the worst CFD candidate in the game - a slot that was busy for the latter half of day 1.

Since the wagons were t/t at EoD I suspect that the wolves are the people that were off-wagon, it makes much more sense for them to just try to sit back and let town implode rather than to get involved in close wagons and risk falling under heavy scrutiny for being on the "wrong" wagon since the wrong wagon is unpredictable in which one will actually flip.

Renegade is the obvious exception to this though, his egging on of the Frinckles train only to jump off of it at the last second reads a lot like a wolf trying to avoid being on "the wrong wagon"

It's pretty unlikely Renegade tried pulling anything like that off, considering he's mayor. 2 votes can make a massive difference in the result of the day (and as a matter of fact, it had a 50 % chance of doing so).

I am convinced scum pushed away from a PQ lynch. The gamestate when I left was in no way indicating that the EoD votecount would look anything like how it was. There was a massive change because scum didn't like where the game was going; it's basically the opposite of "dead air, dead villager".

[Renegade]

Why did you think my slot was a better choice over Frinckles?

Low energy frinckles isn't too alignment indicative to me. It was more policy in my book, which I didn't think was an especially good reason. Given no other options, sure I was fine with Frinckles, but I thought there were better options, like you.

It was interesting to me that there were several others entertaining other trains but ended up sticking with Frinckles anyway.

[Lumi]

Low energy frinckles isn't too alignment indicative to me. It was more policy in my book, which I didn't think was an especially good reason. Given no other options, sure I was fine with Frinckles, but I thought there were better options, like you.

It was interesting to me that there were several others entertaining other trains but ended up sticking with Frinckles anyway.

I'm asking why you thought I was a better option though, voting someone who tried to generate content in the thread in the first 26 hours of the day phase, only to be met with crickets from the thread, and then get busy and not be able to play the second half of the day phase when everyone decides to show up... well it's just a bizarre vote.

Maybe I'm being too OMGUS-y with it and it's more NAI than I think, AI or not, it's certainly bizarre. How did you not think there was a better slot to vote?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

this intends that im scum
or voss is scum
or pqr is scum

And it's highly likely. Speaking of that, why were you on Frinckles yesterday? That makes no sense, and although there certainly were misguided townies in that wagon (since there were 4 players lol), I have a hard time believing town self-destructed so hard by massively hopping on an unexplained wagon when alternatives with cases existed. PQ, Voss, Oliver, even Lag to some extent would have been understandable at least a little bit, because they had been discussed and suspected. That is not the case when it comes to Frinckles.

I also cannot help thinking that PQ's question to Gikkle "is Frinckles a good lynch?" was testing the waters and that he succeeded in directing the lynch towards him and away from himself.

[Gikkle]

Guillo death seems to be because he claimed medic and wolves feared him as a town leader able to start a CFD on whomever he wants, including probably the worst CFD candidate in the game - a slot that was busy for the latter half of day 1.

Since the wagons were t/t at EoD I suspect that the wolves are the people that were off-wagon, it makes much more sense for them to just try to sit back and let town implode rather than to get involved in close wagons and risk falling under heavy scrutiny for being on the "wrong" wagon since the wrong wagon is unpredictable in which one will actually flip.

Renegade is the obvious exception to this though, his egging on of the Frinckles train only to jump off of it at the last second reads a lot like a wolf trying to avoid being on "the wrong wagon"

He took back the medic claim, and why fear a "town leader" (Notably, he was under scrutiny by the end of day, so he was not widely town read) if his reads are inaccurate? He was pushing you. The other 3/4th of his scum list voted your counterwagon. Either, A) his reads were entirely inaccurate and scum killed him anyways, B) at least 2 scum lynched Frinckles over you for whatever reason, despite the fact Frinckles was not doing anything useful and you are a fearsome townie, or C) you're scum

Which is it?

[PQRnHack]

Feels bad about Frinckles flipping town. I shall assume the Corrupt killed Guillo to frame his scumreads, which I am one of. So expect maf to push a lynch on me today as low hanging fruit for another mislynch. With that said, I cannot rule out other people in his scumlist, with my eyes on Oliver and Lag (not as much on Voss at this time).

What was up with the last minute votes on Renegade btw?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Oh, by the way... States Attorney should claim and explain themselves. You don't get to remain anonymous if you place a controversial vote during the night. One claim also isn't too bad for WIFOM, since medic exists.

[Stealthbomber16]

Will be out for most of the next few hours, placing my vote here.

This is very similar to the situation from last game where we just got a mislynch but I don’t think I blame anyone on their train. Both Lag and Frinckles were interchangeably null leaning scum reads for me on day 1. My read on Lag has not changed but I also have not done any analysis over the night, unfortunately.

-vote Lag

We’re starting here today, and we’ll see where things go. I need a lot more out of you today.

[Voss]

.............
why was Frinckles, of all people, lynched?



I hardclaim Guillotina's Reincarnation, agree with his reads, and hereby state that Voss is scum.

-vote Voss

Sure, and then you "stayed on Frinckles"... because REASONS??

Also, where is the resistance to PQ lynch coming from? How comes baby shark and pizza otter Frinckles gets lynched over him? And how comes Lag was tied with him instead? It's quite obvious scum were unhappy with where the game was going and decided things had to change.

PQ/Voss scum team, + maybe Loldebite who kept changing votes only to end up going on an entirely unexplained Renegade wagon at EoD (After having voted oliver, then me, then PQ).

Yeah, I'm not going to be apologetic for the reason why I voted for Frinckles. Why would I want to keep someone who is spamming roleplay??

Looking forward to more critical analysis from Oliver to bust this game open.

This is his best post. I challenge you to find a better Frinckles post than this.

[PQRnHack]

What are the odds that both the States Attorney AND Lag are both scum and the vote is a total distraction?

What are the odds that Lag IS the States Attorney?

[Stealthbomber16]

Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
Lag
PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Voss (1 [L-6]):
NotPaopan
Lag (4 [L-3]):
Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
Stealthbomber16
Renegade (1 [L-6]):
Loldebite

I’m going to revisit this as time goes on but this is… a start, I guess.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Feels bad about Frinckles flipping town. I shall assume the Corrupt killed Guillo to frame his scumreads, which I am one of. So expect maf to push a lynch on me today as low hanging fruit for another mislynch. With that said, I cannot rule out other people in his scumlist, with my eyes on Oliver and Lag (not as much on Voss at this time).

What was up with the last minute votes on Renegade btw?

Lololol ok you're scum. You're spouting nonsense and generating unlikely narratives that paint you as town just like you did when we were scummates in Once Upon a Town in the West. Guillo was killed to frame his scumreads? He was a charismatic, widely townread town leader. Also, killing someone to frame his scumreads is 1) something that rarely happens in reality and 2) a shitty thing to do to a first-time player on the site (Really, where is your honor, Sc2 Mafia?).

[Gikkle]

Didn't even want to vote Frinckles lol, only voted him because I thought a cfd out of nowhere was forming on Renegade (who I don't think anyone had really talked about with regards to lynching) and I got weirded out by it, so I made a split second decision to just vote Frinckles who had less to offer to the game (because of shark roleplay) than Lag.

[Stealthbomber16]

Didn't even want to vote Frinckles lol, only voted him because I thought a cfd out of nowhere was forming on Renegade (who I don't think anyone had really talked about with regards to lynching) and I got weirded out by it, so I made a split second decision to just vote Frinckles who had less to offer to the game (because of shark roleplay) than Lag.

See, stuff like this is why I really cannot fault any of the Frinckles voters yesterday. If day were 2 minutes longer you probably would’ve seen me vote him too.

@Loldebite Can you explain your vote on Renegade, please?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah, I'm not going to be apologetic for the reason why I voted for Frinckles. Why would I want to keep someone who is spamming roleplay??



This is his best post. I challenge you to find a better Frinckles post than this.

I bet you have turned holiday cheer off ever since you joined, you soulless monster. Frinckles shitposts a lot, but he also is a highly talented player, and you KNOW this. I believe you literally advocated for him to go to the Mafia Championship this year. He did absolutely nothing actively scummy. If no other players had been valid options for lynch, I could understand the policy lynch, but there absolutely were valid options outside of Frinckles. You even admitted that yourself by saying you would vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ - you did have reads that had much more solid ground than "oh he posted pizzas and sharks".

[PQRnHack]

Also, where is the resistance to PQ lynch coming from? How comes baby shark and pizza otter Frinckles gets lynched over him? And how comes Lag was tied with him instead? It's quite obvious scum were unhappy with where the game was going and decided things had to change.

PQ/Voss scum team, + maybe Loldebite who kept changing votes only to end up going on an entirely unexplained Renegade wagon at EoD (After having voted oliver, then me, then PQ).

Not that I can convince you at this time, but I am town, so anyone's resistance to PQ lynch is quite irrelevant. Does Mafia care whether lynch is Town_A or Town_B? I see where you are coming from, the logic is reasonable (that I am scum and someone's choice not to vote me could be AI), but ofc i know from my seat that it's a waste of energy as it isn't the case.

Or am I wasting my own energy convincing a scumbag?

[PQRnHack]

.............
why was Frinckles, of all people, lynched?



I hardclaim Guillotina's Reincarnation, agree with his reads, and hereby state that Voss is scum.

-vote Voss

Sure, and then you "stayed on Frinckles"... because REASONS??

Also, where is the resistance to PQ lynch coming from? How comes baby shark and pizza otter Frinckles gets lynched over him? And how comes Lag was tied with him instead? It's quite obvious scum were unhappy with where the game was going and decided things had to change.

PQ/Voss scum team, + maybe Loldebite who kept changing votes only to end up going on an entirely unexplained Renegade wagon at EoD (After having voted oliver, then me, then PQ).

Come to think of it, it is odd for you to suspect PQ+Voss team, when I put Voss as the most towny person at Half of D1 (score of 75 from what I recall). If i(or anyone else for that matter) were scum, there's no way that their scum partner would be listed as the towniest read of the 11.

[oliverz144]

It didn't have much to do with Lag not being present at EOD, I just thought that slot was a better choice over Frinckles, but both of them were okay with me.

As for PQ, while I think his D1 is kinda scummy, I think D2 will tell.

What are the odds that both the States Attorney AND Lag are both scum and the vote is a total distraction?

or lag and state attorney are the same slot?

[PQRnHack]

Guillo death seems to be because he claimed medic and wolves feared him as a town leader able to start a CFD on whomever he wants, including probably the worst CFD candidate in the game - a slot that was busy for the latter half of day 1.

Since the wagons were t/t at EoD I suspect that the wolves are the people that were off-wagon, it makes much more sense for them to just try to sit back and let town implode rather than to get involved in close wagons and risk falling under heavy scrutiny for being on the "wrong" wagon since the wrong wagon is unpredictable in which one will actually flip.

Renegade is the obvious exception to this though, his egging on of the Frinckles train only to jump off of it at the last second reads a lot like a wolf trying to avoid being on "the wrong wagon"

Dunno if you are town, but you claim t/t wagon between Guillo/Lag. My name popped up in there as well, so just for your info it was more like t/t/t wagons if you are truly town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Not that I can convince you at this time, but I am town, so anyone's resistance to PQ lynch is quite irrelevant. Does Mafia care whether lynch is Town_A or Town_B? I see where you are coming from, the logic is reasonable (that I am scum and someone's choice not to vote me could be AI), but ofc i know from my seat that it's a waste of energy as it isn't the case.

Or am I wasting my own energy convincing a scumbag?

Even in the unlikely event you are town, it's false to say resistance to your lynch (and more exactly speaking, resistance to the direction of the game) is irrelevant: it indicates scum were unhappy with what was happening, so even assuming you're town, we would have to look into whoever was also being suspected. That would probably be Lag or Oliver. I don't think we live in a world where you are town, though, so this doesn't apply.

[Stealthbomber16]

Come to think of it, it is odd for you to suspect PQ+Voss team, when I put Voss as the most towny person at Half of D1 (score of 75 from what I recall). If i(or anyone else for that matter) were scum, there's no way that their scum partner would be listed as the towniest read of the 11.

This is a player who never got to experience the absolute craziness that was @Hybrid scum MVP.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Come to think of it, it is odd for you to suspect PQ+Voss team, when I put Voss as the most towny person at Half of D1 (score of 75 from what I recall). If i(or anyone else for that matter) were scum, there's no way that their scum partner would be listed as the towniest read of the 11.

Lol top townreading your scummate is not unheard of and is especially not beyond your scum range

[PQRnHack]

I am convinced scum pushed away from a PQ lynch.

You are incorrect here. Just like Guillo was incorrect by reading me as scum.

[Gikkle]

I'd be a bit disappointed if MM is actually town, since I thought I had something with his weird Oliverz stuff yesterday. Oh well. Guess I'll go after Voss next, with his weirdly confident TR on MM with weak reasons.

[Gikkle]

-vote Voss

[Stealthbomber16]

FTR I don't think the attorney vote on Lag is alignment indicative in any way shape or form. I could absolutely see a town attorney placing a vote on the day 1 countertrain and I could also absolutely see a scum attorney placing a vote on a person who absolutely could be a mislynch candidate on day 2. Both are valid options. Lag is also crazy enough that I could see him placing a vote on himself or ordering a teammate to put a vote on him. These are all 100% viable options and we are getting absolutely no information from that action.

[oliverz144]

.............
why was Frinckles, of all people, lynched?



I hardclaim Guillotina's Reincarnation, agree with his reads, and hereby state that Voss is scum.

-vote Voss

Sure, and then you "stayed on Frinckles"... because REASONS??

Also, where is the resistance to PQ lynch coming from? How comes baby shark and pizza otter Frinckles gets lynched over him? And how comes Lag was tied with him instead? It's quite obvious scum were unhappy with where the game was going and decided things had to change.

PQ/Voss scum team, + maybe Loldebite who kept changing votes only to end up going on an entirely unexplained Renegade wagon at EoD (After having voted oliver, then me, then PQ).

omg i was sigged by the MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL
i will screenshot that when im on pc.
and yes, eod and the different votes and reads are yet to be understood.
I have troubles yet to remember who is who after turning pfp's off. That was a misstake.

[PQRnHack]

I also cannot help thinking that PQ's question to Gikkle "is Frinckles a good lynch?" was testing the waters and that he succeeded in directing the lynch towards him and away from himself.

That's absurd! Repeating for the 3rd time: I voted two times, first was opening troll vote on Renegade as Mayor; 2nd was Frinckles when I said I was placing a serious vote. Gikkle had their first troll/random vote on Frinckles and so I asked Gikkle if that persistent vote (which stuck since random phase) was good lynch or not (i.e., did the initially-random vote convert to a serious vote - and answer from Gikkle was essentially yes). In part, I wanted to check Gikkle's commitment there so they didnt skirt by with a random vote that stuck around.

[Gikkle]

I, for one, thought PQRN was fairly townie the first day phase. Sort of undecided on them now.

[PQRnHack]

Oh, by the way... States Attorney should claim and explain themselves. You don't get to remain anonymous if you place a controversial vote during the night. One claim also isn't too bad for WIFOM, since medic exists.

I support this suggestion (and no, MM, this is not scum PQ attempting to pocket you).

[PQRnHack]

Lololol ok you're scum. You're spouting nonsense and generating unlikely narratives that paint you as town just like you did when we were scummates in Once Upon a Town in the West. Guillo was killed to frame his scumreads? He was a charismatic, widely townread town leader. Also, killing someone to frame his scumreads is 1) something that rarely happens in reality and 2) a shitty thing to do to a first-time player on the site (Really, where is your honor, Sc2 Mafia?).

But it's working, isn't it? Got you convinced that I'm scum, so if that is their strat, then it is working (and yes, I know that you dont need that strat on top of your own scumreads of me bla bla, but it sure helps convince you further, right?).

[oliverz144]

And it's highly likely. Speaking of that, why were you on Frinckles yesterday? That makes no sense, and although there certainly were misguided townies in that wagon (since there were 4 players lol), I have a hard time believing town self-destructed so hard by massively hopping on an unexplained wagon when alternatives with cases existed. PQ, Voss, Oliver, even Lag to some extent would have been understandable at least a little bit, because they had been discussed and suspected. That is not the case when it comes to Frinckles.

I also cannot help thinking that PQ's question to Gikkle "is Frinckles a good lynch?" was testing the waters and that he succeeded in directing the lynch towards him and away from himself.

did u just suggest me to vote myself?
jokes aside, i have a chronic hate against fluff and jokes (334- paopan and me)
and lag wasnt happening when i was not afk 6h b4 eod.
and later i was busy reading up so i didnt participate in active discussion.

[Loldebite]

See, stuff like this is why I really cannot fault any of the Frinckles voters yesterday. If day were 2 minutes longer you probably would’ve seen me vote him too.

@Loldebite Can you explain your vote on Renegade, please?

I tried to there :

Renegade
Why didnt you feel like voting PQR instead of lag/frinckles ? You scum read him earlier.
It seemed to me that Renegade was pushing for easy targets (low activity) that would yield little to no information which i felt was scummy.
That is why when Frinckles voted i did feel it was okay, but i quickly realized that 1) deciding something like that in the fire of action is a bad idea 2) its not going to happen anyway
So i considered voting lag to spare frinckles, but couldnt bring myself to it because i had kinda the same feeling about that than about Frinckles. In hindsight, i should've either voted lag or stayed or PQR.

If you have any questions LMK

[Lumi]

He took back the medic claim, and why fear a "town leader" (Notably, he was under scrutiny by the end of day, so he was not widely town read) if his reads are inaccurate? He was pushing you. The other 3/4th of his scum list voted your counterwagon. Either, A) his reads were entirely inaccurate and scum killed him anyways, B) at least 2 scum lynched Frinckles over you for whatever reason, despite the fact Frinckles was not doing anything useful and you are a fearsome townie, or C) you're scum

Which is it?

Taking back the medic claim can easily be interpreted as medic WIFOM. So I think the entire premise of your questions are wrong.

I already said I think the wolves were off-wagon, doing their own thing. Guillo's suspicions of me were pretty much entirely because I wasn't around anymore, like all I would have to do is start posting on day 2 and his read on me changes - his reads changed a dozen times on day 1 after all - and that's something you should know about Guillo as well, he jumps around with his reads very often, using them to apply pressure and extract information, not control thread narrative.

I think the Guillo kill was because of his medic WIFOM + his thread influence - he's still top poster in this game as of now after all.

[Loldebite]

did u just suggest me to vote myself?
jokes aside, i have a chronic hate against fluff and jokes (334- paopan and me)
and lag wasnt happening when i was not afk 6h b4 eod.
and later i was busy reading up so i didnt participate in active discussion.

So that's the why behind your vote on Frinckles, chronic hate against fluff ?

[Lumi]

Oh, by the way... States Attorney should claim and explain themselves. You don't get to remain anonymous if you place a controversial vote during the night. One claim also isn't too bad for WIFOM, since medic exists.

I obviously agree with this, lmao

[Lumi]

Lololol ok you're scum. You're spouting nonsense and generating unlikely narratives that paint you as town just like you did when we were scummates in Once Upon a Town in the West. Guillo was killed to frame his scumreads? He was a charismatic, widely townread town leader. Also, killing someone to frame his scumreads is 1) something that rarely happens in reality and 2) a shitty thing to do to a first-time player on the site (Really, where is your honor, Sc2 Mafia?).

Do you not remember PQ's play in the Gravity Falls game? He was so all over the place that AIVION revoked his ability to post from the dead, lmao

Why do you think the wolves were Frinckles voters instead of off-wagon observers?

[oliverz144]

Feels bad about Frinckles flipping town. I shall assume the Corrupt killed Guillo to frame his scumreads, which I am one of. So expect maf to push a lynch on me today as low hanging fruit for another mislynch. With that said, I cannot rule out other people in his scumlist, with my eyes on Oliver and Lag (not as much on Voss at this time).

What was up with the last minute votes on Renegade btw?

this Is 1to1 pqr scum play in 334.
he c5aims that "guillo was killed to frame his scumlist" and takes this as an excuse why he is town and any wagon on him has scum equity.
AFTERWARDS the very next sentence he proceeds into scumreading me and lag, while trusting voss.
double standarts. Scum flip

[Lumi]

Dunno if you are town, but you claim t/t wagon between Guillo/Lag. My name popped up in there as well, so just for your info it was more like t/t/t wagons if you are truly town.

You remind me of all-over-the-place Tambry from Gravity Falls, not confrontational pushing nonsense PQ in the Wild West. I think the wolves were just happy to sit back and watch EoD chaos

[Loldebite]

I agree with MM and also think PQR is scum, both for his reckless vote on Frinckles (he voted Frinckles 2h into D1 and didnt vote anywhere else until he was dead, based on what ? He justified afterwards saying "out of character fluff". 2h into D1. This is obviously a made-up excuse. IMO thought about in hindsight to look less like he did in the OUaTitW game.
I guess renegade was kinda right : PQR was extremely confident about his Frinckles vote.

I agree with SB that the attorney vote is likely NAI. Same has to be said about Governor/Judge, i fear.