S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Honestly Sheriff Would Make No Sense As Scum.. So.. I Believe Mike Ta Be Confirmed Town From My POV ATM..

... yeah ok that is not town Light. I think you're able to understand Mike doesn't instantly become CONFIRMED town at the beginning of the game because he's Sheriff, and you're just trying to pocket him lol.

-vote Light_Yagami

[Marshmallow Marshall]

r u scum

No thanks, you?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

No, i need an explanation, please. Why are you and Mike talking about Grave Digger? I must be missing something or you are trolling me.

... oh, that may be why you're acting like me being doc is a revelation lol.

#	Name	Status	Role	ISO
1	oliverz144	Alive	Survivalist	ISO
2	Marshmallow Marshall	Alive	Doctor	ISO
3	PQRnHack	Alive	Card Sharp	ISO
4	Auwt	Alive	Veteran	ISO
5	jmw	Alive	Vigilante	ISO
6	Light_Yagami	Alive	Lookout	ISO
7	NotPaopan	Alive	Mayor	ISO
8	Frinckles	Alive	Bodyguard	ISO
9	Oberon	Alive	Jailor	ISO
10	luona	Alive	Coach Driver	ISO
11	Mike	Alive	Sheriff	ISO
12	Gikkle	Alive	Grave Digger	ISO
13	Loldebite	Alive	Escort	ISO

@PQRnHack

[luona]

No thanks, you?

im not scum either (:
who would be light yagamis team in ur eyes?

[Light_Yagami]

... yeah ok that is not town Light. I think you're able to understand Mike doesn't instantly become CONFIRMED town at the beginning of the game because he's Sheriff, and you're just trying to pocket him lol.

-vote Light_Yagami

Heh You Wish I Was Scum..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nvm, he already knows lol.

Well this is embarrassing i was doing all my scumreading on the assumption that role distributions were not known. And i saw this Paopan mayor 2 vote thing and thought the scum were going for him. And now you point out to me there is a table listing all our roles LMAO. I never realized this setup was going to out all of our roles per person. My plan was to pick some players OUTSIDE of myself tonight because i didnt want mafia to know i was card shark. But there goes that idea. THIS SETUP IS WACK. I need to rethink.

And I thought I was smart. Fucking hell, this is embarrassing as fuck.

Or maybe im mafia and that's what i want you to think ;)

This is an awkward way to "realize". I have some doubts. On the other hand, I'm not too sure what the benefit of playing dumb as mafia would be here.

OK well now that this p[art is fucking clear. Who wants to be in the chat tonight if i live?

I volunteer ^^

[Marshmallow Marshall]

im not scum either (:
who would be light yagamis team in ur eyes?

It's a little early for associations of this kind. I think Mike would look good if Light flipped scum, though, since he addressed his posts in a way that I don't think is SvS (he was pretty aggressive).

[Light_Yagami]

im not scum either (:
who would be light yagamis team in ur eyes?

What Are Your Thoughts Thus Far.. You Have Been Pretty Reserved..

[oliverz144]

Greetings!

Are you suggesting we actually lynch Paopan because... he has two votes? Or am I missing something? The argument is quite thin if it really is what you're saying. If we begin lynching town because they can get manipulated by scum, we might as well just flip a coin to decide who's innocent and who's guilty...

"we're not here for an ethical win" lol ok. I think it's perfectly ethical to use mechanics, though - the issue is that I don't really see how publicly stating actions would help us, except maybe for roles like the Card Sharp for a consensual town core.

What "strange behavior" did you see from PQ exactly?

And we definetly should aim to lynch today, not just for the sake of preventing potential scum jailor actions but also for the sake of getting information to analyze later on.

i think that paopans role is useless for town.
hes just a flip to be done, to lower poe
and no, im not a social darwinist.

public actions will allow a public action plan
we need to work together to flip scum. if we dont, we will be manipulated by mafia, and will hit town only.

i first thaugth the way he doesnt see the table with the roles is strange. turns out, he is lost like this half of the time lmao

[jmw]

Interesting. BG Doc never day 1 lynch Just in case. so no point Going there. you going after BG doc and Sheriff. I would love to hear you elaborate more. I would like to hear your thought process.

Roles aren't alignment indicative, so as far as I'm concerned they don't matter too much in terms of alignment.
If I think someone's scum, I'm going to go after them, and their role being strong won't stop me.
That said, I'm not sure why you say I'm going after BG doc and sheriff? I've yet to place a serious vote.

@jmw also why is your vote on Obron? Your posts are vague accusations on players with out any reasoning. If you are town you should elaborate a bit more.
1 If you see sometthing We dont We need to see it.
2 to confirm you are not Mafia trying to mislead town into killing out Protectives and Check.

Reading your posts I get the feel you are protecting Light. Your excuse you have posted in post #262 is weak but you did say town lean not read. but even for a town lean is off after everything he has posted so fare.

So please explain your reads showing posts from now and pas. to show how you came up with the read you have come up with.

My vote on Obron is from RVS. I don't feel like I need to remove it yet and haven't felt like voting anyone else yet so it stays.
I feel like most of my posts have been straightforward except for the W/W PQrn and MM read. Which my initial thought behind was "If PQrn is scum, this looks like an easy excuse to switch your vote off of a teammate" but after sleeping on it, that read is bad because it was basically still RVS and PQrn could have swapped off of a teammate for any reason, plus there's no guarantee PQrn was voting a teammate anyway.
It's also weird to frame my townlean on light as a "weak excuse", seems like a lot of shading, but I can understand if you disagree. While reading up I did see the "sheriff confirmed town" post which is the only one I'd think so far to be scummy in any way. Don't know if it's enough to change my initial impression yet, we'll see.

Escort I believe you should RB the Viggy. for 2 reasons.

1 if Viggy is town: viggy shooting day 1 has best odds of hitting a town prob a protective like our BG.
2 If Viggy is Mafia they get an extra KP in the night.

Either way it is best if viggy does not shoot night 1.

To 1: excluding scum coach driver, there are no "odds" in me hitting a protective. Either I target someone with a protective role or I don't. If you don't trust my gamesolving abilities and thus don't trust my shots, that's one thing, but I don't feel like 1 is a valid reason to block me.
Also if I get blocked I'll be sad

I know people are scum leanin Frinkles. But his posts are matchin with how I was thinking about the game. Feels from a town mindset. Also a Bgfor a Mafia role would be messed up for mafia. I am not saying to give him a pass. But Not day 1 give it a day please. We will learn more tomorrow.

Can you give an example of a post or thought process that matches how you were thinking about the game? How were you thinking about the game?
And also BG for mafia doesn't seem that strong, as if they protect a teammate successfully, they die, and it's a 1 for 1 (which is always good for town) and if we can figure out who they were protecting we catch another scum as well.

I guess we can *easily* try to distinguish not *so* likely pairing.
For instance having both a Jailor and a Vigilante in the bandit team would be close to impossible (considering the fact Lag rand'ed thrice and took the fairest).

Thus Oberon/jmw are either TvT or SvT (TvS) in my book.

Following this pattern we can sort this game out way easier.

Same goes for you and Frinckles, I highly doubt you both share the bandit alignment.

I'd be careful with this, although it was randed thrice and the fairest was taken, the odds are low but possible for all three pairings to have had some combo you would deem unbalanced (all three setups could have rolled with Jailor and Vigilante as scum for example, then no matter what Lag does me and Oberon would be S/S).
I wouldn't assume any pairings of people to not be S/S based on roles, I'd look at interactions for that.

I feel you.
Invisible mode should be prohibited, at least in FM.

Angleshooting is annoying so I disagree.

this seems like an odd reason to townread someone, do u usually do reasoning like this..?

/shrug, I thought of something so I posted about it.
I don't know how to answer that question, you can ask PQR who's played a game with me or Gikkle who's played many games with me.

[jmw]

Oh also re: BG being messed up for mafia, I assumed that to mean too strong, if you meant that to be too weak, well, anything's possible. Could indicate mafia has some other, stronger, roles.
I'd not assume anyone to be town or scum simply on their role.

[jmw]

Heh You Wish I Was Scum..

@Light_Yagami do you still think Mike has to be town because he's sheriff?

[Light_Yagami]

@Light_Yagami do you still think Mike has to be town because he's sheriff?

In My Mind He Has Ta Be.. A Sheriff As Mafia Is A Bit Redundant Since Scum Already Know Who Each Other Are And Know Everyone Else Is Town.. Only Way Mafia Sheriff Makes Sense If Its One Big Mind Screw..

[Gikkle]

Townlean LY for this.
I think scum LY either disables the activity filter or closes the tab instead of posting about leaving the tab open and leaving it open.
If LY was inexperienced I would say this is scummy (due to caring so much about appearances) but from what I've seen it seems like this is not LY's first rodeo (ha) so I think this is more townie than not

@Gikkle your opinions on LY's post? Does it sway either way? You usually have a reasonable take when I make reads of this kind

This is basically WIFOM. Only thing to be taken from this is caring about appearances, which is in of itself more scummy than not. Being experienced doesn't mean you stop caring about appearances; it just means you've probably learned how to hide it better.

As both alignments, Light could have turned off their activity. Them choosing to post instead of doing that only shows that they didn't think of that or they want to keep it on; nothing really alignment indicative in that regard.

[Gikkle]

Jailor/Vigilante can be on the same side, I think. Jailor is useless except when a no-lynch happens, and Vigilante can only kill one town player before it's turned into a citizen, and we'd be aware of any extra kills like that. Wouldn't be too strong of a combination.

As for RBing Jmw, we can control Jmw's kill, so there's no need to do that.

[Gikkle]

I think MM is town? They seem reasonable enough, for now. Haven't seen anything I disliked from them, really.

[Gikkle]

Oberon is pushing rather weird points, without doing any deeper analysis. Potentially wolf sided Jailor?

[Gikkle]

Oberon and Jmw both are giving me bad feelings, but both could be town too. Too early to tell.. Nobody has really done anything that makes me super confident in them either way.

[Auwt]

Awut great Wifom, you are not helping town only crediting distrust. In towns 2 most powerful roles Mayor and Sheriff. I get anyone can be mafia. But I know I am town. Mafia knows I am town. From my PoV Mafia best play if they can’t kill me at night due to protectives is to discredit the town pr’S I was thinking of a You mayor and light But you discredit me and mayor. And CD. But you failed to really point out Lights reactions to my probing questions. Him not wanting me to check him. Him trying to pocket me. iSO me and him. It is almost as you are protecting him. You and the Viggy. I do find this odd. Yes you pointed out him sAying I am confirmed when from his POV no one is confirmed unless they have the solve or mafia.. so right now from my POV his flip will give us a lot of info about the Viggy and. Vet. Or we can just vote the vet since I can not check that role.

I am protecting Light?
Interesting.
I just tend to skip Light's D1 because it's like 99% of bs and meme/video posting and 1% of actual useful information.
Don't feel like bothering too much about this kind of behaviour.
If you feel like there is something hidden beneath it, feel free to dig it out and inform us.

It currently did not ping me much to be fair.

[Auwt]

can u explain what paopan and awuts scum records are like?

To make it simple, I was scum for like half a year (something like 5-6 games in a row) and rolled town in the last FM.
Paopan in the other hand, has only been scum since his debut, never town. (4 games?)

i like auwts chain of posts on this page (6), but i do have a question;

in this post, what made you satisfied enough to unvote pqrnhack?

My reasoning here is not hyper strong, but as PQR did not even notice the rolelist table at this point I was like eh whatever lets give him benefice of a doubt regarding his plan (sheriff on paopan and bg on sheriff).
He seemed not to be aware of what's going on and omitted a big fail in his plan.
I am however not excluding him from a potential today lynch.

[Auwt]

Jailor/Vigilante can be on the same side, I think. Jailor is useless except when a no-lynch happens, and Vigilante can only kill one town player before it's turned into a citizen, and we'd be aware of any extra kills like that. Wouldn't be too strong of a combination.

As for RBing Jmw, we can control Jmw's kill, so there's no need to do that.

Jailor and Vigilante might be on the same side, but would be unbalanced.
It might actually be one of the most unbalanced one.

[Oberon]

Well this is embarrassing i was doing all my scumreading on the assumption that role distributions were not known. And i saw this Paopan mayor 2 vote thing and thought the scum were going for him. And now you point out to me there is a table listing all our roles LMAO. I never realized this setup was going to out all of our roles per person. My plan was to pick some players OUTSIDE of myself tonight because i didnt want mafia to know i was card shark. But there goes that idea. THIS SETUP IS WACK. I need to rethink.

Now you understand why I panicked when I saw my role in the table

[jmw]

In My Mind He Has Ta Be.. A Sheriff As Mafia Is A Bit Redundant Since Scum Already Know Who Each Other Are And Know Everyone Else Is Town.. Only Way Mafia Sheriff Makes Sense If Its One Big Mind Screw..

I can’t really understand this reasoning, roles were essentially random among alignments. It seems illogical to assume a role’s alignment based on utility to a side.

[luona]

What Are Your Thoughts Thus Far.. You Have Been Pretty Reserved..

have i..?
i thought ive been open about my thoughts so far

i dont like pqrnhack, jmw, oliver

loldebite also stuck out, but i keep having flip flops in my read on them.

[Oberon]

Oberon is pushing rather weird points, without doing any deeper analysis. Potentially wolf sided Jailor?

Does everyone who acum reads you give you bad feelings?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

i think that paopans role is useless for town.
hes just a flip to be done, to lower poe
and no, im not a social darwinist.

public actions will allow a public action plan
we need to work together to flip scum. if we dont, we will be manipulated by mafia, and will hit town only.

i first thaugth the way he doesnt see the table with the roles is strange. turns out, he is lost like this half of the time lmao

I could be mean and say that you also are a flip to be done, to lower PoE. And that everyone but myself is, too. After all, since I'm obviously town, we're all gonna win like this! Convenient, right? :P

In what world is a Mayor useless for town? That's the strangest thing I've seen in a while, actually: Mayor is one of the strongest possible roles, even when its alignment isn't confirmed. Of course, it's a massive threat if it's scum-aligned, but it also is a massive boon if it's town-aligned. So while we definetly should be careful about Paopan, we should try to read him before doing anything to him.

Okay, well I'm open to plan proposals, since none come to my mind atm.

Hahaha makes sense. Not sure what to do with him for now, tbh, maybe he will be easier to read when he posts from a non confused state.

[Oberon]

Light is giving out townpoints too freely. That feels scummy. Reminds me of myself when I’m playing scum.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What Are Your Thoughts Thus Far.. You Have Been Pretty Reserved..

Potential distancing between Light and Luona when Light begins to be suspected?

Also, my internet is being horrible at the moment, it took me ages to be able to write this simple post so I might head off for a while

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nevermind, now everything works fine again! Weird lol.

have i..?
i thought ive been open about my thoughts so far

i dont like pqrnhack, jmw, oliver

loldebite also stuck out, but i keep having flip flops in my read on them.

I like this reply (both because it looks like she's actually trying to convince Light and because it's pretty much true, especially considering how early in the game we are) and am tempted to retract my previous statement here.

What's the issue with jmw and oliver, btw? I have a hard time remembering who's who, especially since they didn't have an avatar until recently.

[Light_Yagami]

Light is giving out townpoints too freely. That feels scummy. Reminds me of myself when I’m playing scum.

Not Really Im Guessing One Role Has To Be Town Due To It Being Useless As A Scum Role..

[Light_Yagami]

Potential distancing between Light and Luona when Light begins to be suspected?

Also, my internet is being horrible at the moment, it took me ages to be able to write this simple post so I might head off for a while

So Me Asking Other Players Their Thoughts Is Suddenly Scum Behavior? Please Do Tell More..

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Spoiler : Long post :

Roles aren't alignment indicative, so as far as I'm concerned they don't matter too much in terms of alignment.
If I think someone's scum, I'm going to go after them, and their role being strong won't stop me.
That said, I'm not sure why you say I'm going after BG doc and sheriff? I've yet to place a serious vote.

My vote on Obron is from RVS. I don't feel like I need to remove it yet and haven't felt like voting anyone else yet so it stays.
I feel like most of my posts have been straightforward except for the W/W PQrn and MM read. Which my initial thought behind was "If PQrn is scum, this looks like an easy excuse to switch your vote off of a teammate" but after sleeping on it, that read is bad because it was basically still RVS and PQrn could have swapped off of a teammate for any reason, plus there's no guarantee PQrn was voting a teammate anyway.
It's also weird to frame my townlean on light as a "weak excuse", seems like a lot of shading, but I can understand if you disagree. While reading up I did see the "sheriff confirmed town" post which is the only one I'd think so far to be scummy in any way. Don't know if it's enough to change my initial impression yet, we'll see.

To 1: excluding scum coach driver, there are no "odds" in me hitting a protective. Either I target someone with a protective role or I don't. If you don't trust my gamesolving abilities and thus don't trust my shots, that's one thing, but I don't feel like 1 is a valid reason to block me.
Also if I get blocked I'll be sad

Can you give an example of a post or thought process that matches how you were thinking about the game? How were you thinking about the game?
And also BG for mafia doesn't seem that strong, as if they protect a teammate successfully, they die, and it's a 1 for 1 (which is always good for town) and if we can figure out who they were protecting we catch another scum as well.

I'd be careful with this, although it was randed thrice and the fairest was taken, the odds are low but possible for all three pairings to have had some combo you would deem unbalanced (all three setups could have rolled with Jailor and Vigilante as scum for example, then no matter what Lag does me and Oberon would be S/S).
I wouldn't assume any pairings of people to not be S/S based on roles, I'd look at interactions for that.

Angleshooting is annoying so I disagree.

/shrug, I thought of something so I posted about it.
I don't know how to answer that question, you can ask PQR who's played a game with me or Gikkle who's played many games with me.

This is nothing scum can't fake, but this also is pretty good content: rectifying inaccuracies about assumptions on pairings, defending invisible mode (meh, but still valid), showing some early game thought progression on his reads. I like what I'm seeing.

[oliverz144]

I dont scumread anyone, even paopan
its too early for this, yet.
i wasnt even able to form any reads, i just have soap in my brain :'(
luona seems pretty townie due to post #304
jmw "destroyed" his own "defense" multiple times, and i meta-read his post behaviour as town (weak proof i know)
other than this, and my 2 previous posts, my reads are nothing but soap. Soap without form, content or value

[Light_Yagami]

This Is The Most Anti Climactic Day 1 Ever..

[oliverz144]

And yes, actually i would be a better lynch than paopan when it comes to lowering poe...
this is not an justification to vote me, but just me debunking my own reads
maybe (highly chanced) paopan, our mayor, isnt that good of a vote d1
later today, when ive finished cooking, i will go one for one the players and look, whether or not they are to "expensive" role-wise to be lynched d1
then we will have a poe for d1, consisting out of maybe 4 players. Then we will decide who to be lynched, based on their scuminess. Unless someone makes a HUGE mistake in wording/behaviour as scum, i doubt we will have another way

and i will get a pfp

[PQRnHack]

just got off my pcp. what is pfp?

[Oberon]

And yes, actually i would be a better lynch than paopan when it comes to lowering poe...
this is not an justification to vote me, but just me debunking my own reads
maybe (highly chanced) paopan, our mayor, isnt that good of a vote d1
later today, when ive finished cooking, i will go one for one the players and look, whether or not they are to "expensive" role-wise to be lynched d1
then we will have a poe for d1, consisting out of maybe 4 players. Then we will decide who to be lynched, based on their scuminess. Unless someone makes a HUGE mistake in wording/behaviour as scum, i doubt we will have another way

and i will get a pfp

Town should never be in favour of their own lynch

-vote oliverz144

[Oberon]

Never mind, misread lol

-vote Gikkle

[PQRnHack]

Never mind, misread lol

-vote Gikkle

da fuq did you misread?

[oliverz144]

Pfp means profile picture

and i would really love to find out what @Oberon misread. Such an action can cause a hammer in a bad situation, and i want to avoid something like this by typing better next time.
also whats your reason for gikkle? I cant see him leaning anywhere, neither town or scum

[jmw]

Why is everyone here so hard to read

MM is being very reasonable, I get the sense that nothing they've done so far is out of a normal wolfrange but I've liked their posts the most out of anyone's opening on a re-read
Gikkle's also not done anything that he couldn't do as both alignments yet, but I like his sanity check on the (frankly not so good) read I made last night.
Mike and Light's reasonings are very odd to me, I can't understand Light's reasonings behind townreading the sheriff and don't think I'm going to get anywhere on that topic at all.
Mike seems to have a ToS player point of view with regards to roles that seems to come into his posts as a bias toward those roles and against anyone who targets those roles? (myself)

PQR and Oliver seem similar to the only game I've played with them, where they were both town
And as weird as it is, I like Oberon quickly backing down off of Oliver. Think that's a good look.

[jmw]

Also I missed Oliver's post about #304 but agree it's a good question to posit. I remember when first reading that I was surprised that MM didn't go after me for my initial, not so good first impression of LY there.
I'm finding analysis a little harder than it typically would be for me, this is a very different setup and it seems some players are approaching it differently than I would which makes a headspace harder to develop.

will be busy for a few hours, tag me with questions.

[Light_Yagami]

Why is everyone here so hard to read

MM is being very reasonable, I get the sense that nothing they've done so far is out of a normal wolfrange but I've liked their posts the most out of anyone's opening on a re-read
Gikkle's also not done anything that he couldn't do as both alignments yet, but I like his sanity check on the (frankly not so good) read I made last night.
Mike and Light's reasonings are very odd to me, I can't understand Light's reasonings behind townreading the sheriff and don't think I'm going to get anywhere on that topic at all.
Mike seems to have a ToS player point of view with regards to roles that seems to come into his posts as a bias toward those roles and against anyone who targets those roles? (myself)

PQR and Oliver seem similar to the only game I've played with them, where they were both town
And as weird as it is, I like Oberon quickly backing down off of Oliver. Think that's a good look.

It Shouldnt Be All That Hard To Read... I Believe We Are All Speaking English...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So Me Asking Other Players Their Thoughts Is Suddenly Scum Behavior? Please Do Tell More..

No, it's rather that Luona looks a little bad if you flip scum. I don't think your post is terribly scummy in itself, it just involves a potential association.

I dont scumread anyone, even paopan
its too early for this, yet.
i wasnt even able to form any reads, i just have soap in my brain :'(
luona seems pretty townie due to post #304
jmw "destroyed" his own "defense" multiple times, and i meta-read his post behaviour as town (weak proof i know)
other than this, and my 2 previous posts, my reads are nothing but soap. Soap without form, content or value

Lol it's fine, you seem to have reads anyway xD.
I'm not sure "im not scum either" is terribly compelling, but I guess I can understand basing a read on that kind of thing, since I do it too; your reference to meta in the next sentence indicates you're the kind of player who likes "vibe-reading" people. Well, I think.

Uhhh, when did jmw defend himself, and when did he destroy his own defense? I may have missed something...

[luona]

im starting this post off by a very important announcement: im painting my nails rn if anyone can guess what color it is they get a FREE townread!!!
also just figured out how to do this cool font stuff am i a site regular now

My reasoning here is not hyper strong, but as PQR did not even notice the rolelist table at this point I was like eh whatever lets give him benefice of a doubt regarding his plan (sheriff on paopan and bg on sheriff).
He seemed not to be aware of what's going on and omitted a big fail in his plan.
I am however not excluding him from a potential today lynch.

whos ur top 3 ideal lynches in order..? if u dont mind me asking.

Okay, well I'm open to plan proposals, since none come to my mind atm.

hear me out,
what if you
heal me tonight :o

Light is giving out townpoints too freely. That feels scummy. Reminds me of myself when I’m playing scum.

yet ur vote isnt on him.. why?

also btw, this reminds me, thank god whoever asked about vote counts, i was too shy to ask myself.

Potential distancing between Light and Luona when Light begins to be suspected?

hows this distancing

What's the issue with jmw and oliver, btw? I have a hard time remembering who's who, especially since they didn't have an avatar until recently.

i remember jmw had some posts i like, but he had alot more posts i dislike. i find his stances on things weird. (if u need more, i can quote specifics once my nails dry)
oliver, i didnt like how originally he didnt really mind if we would go for a paopan lynch or not. i think his specific wordings were "scum will manipulate him if hes town" or something along those lines which, while that may be true, i think it would better to lynch maf/scumreads than lynching "dangerous roles" just for the sake of. i remember asking him if he scumread paopan, but i dont remember seeing a reply, did i miss it?

ngl i forgot how to vote again, but i backread for it and i hope it works

-vote PQRNHACK

i like this vote the most rn

anyone i've mentioned not liking earlier i would be fine with as well, though as oliver posts more i got slight doubts in my read on him. also add oberon in the list of people i wouldn't mind voting.

[Light_Yagami]

im starting this post off by a very important announcement: im painting my nails rn if anyone can guess what color it is they get a FREE townread!!!
also just figured out how to do this cool font stuff am i a site regular now


whos ur top 3 ideal lynches in order..? if u dont mind me asking.


hear me out,
what if you
heal me tonight :o


yet ur vote isnt on him.. why?

also btw, this reminds me, thank god whoever asked about vote counts, i was too shy to ask myself.


hows this distancing


i remember jmw had some posts i like, but he had alot more posts i dislike. i find his stances on things weird. (if u need more, i can quote specifics once my nails dry)
oliver, i didnt like how originally he didnt really mind if we would go for a paopan lynch or not. i think his specific wordings were "scum will manipulate him if hes town" or something along those lines which, while that may be true, i think it would better to lynch maf/scumreads than lynching "dangerous roles" just for the sake of. i remember asking him if he scumread paopan, but i dont remember seeing a reply, did i miss it?

ngl i forgot how to vote again, but i backread for it and i hope it works

-vote PQRNHACK

i like this vote the most rn

anyone i've mentioned not liking earlier i would be fine with as well, though as oliver posts more i got slight doubts in my read on him. also add oberon in the list of people i wouldn't mind voting.

Orange And Black Because Halloween?

[luona]

Orange And Black Because Halloween?

wrong! have a free scumread instead tho
(kidding, but start doing ai stuff :<)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why is everyone here so hard to read

MM is being very reasonable, I get the sense that nothing they've done so far is out of a normal wolfrange but I've liked their posts the most out of anyone's opening on a re-read
Gikkle's also not done anything that he couldn't do as both alignments yet, but I like his sanity check on the (frankly not so good) read I made last night.
Mike and Light's reasonings are very odd to me, I can't understand Light's reasonings behind townreading the sheriff and don't think I'm going to get anywhere on that topic at all.
Mike seems to have a ToS player point of view with regards to roles that seems to come into his posts as a bias toward those roles and against anyone who targets those roles? (myself)

PQR and Oliver seem similar to the only game I've played with them, where they were both town
And as weird as it is, I like Oberon quickly backing down off of Oliver. Think that's a good look.

I don't really understand what Mike has been doing this game, partly because his logic seems confusing and partly because I'm not a native english speaker + trying to read, uh, liberal grammar :P. As for Light, I think he might be playing dumb here with the "trust the Sheriff" thing (which, for the record, is clearly nonsensical considering the way roles were given to each alignment). He also hasn't done anything striking me as stemming from town intent, which is probably the most reliable way to read him, so I have big doubts there.

Also, it's not weird to like Oberon backing down quickly when he realized he misread his post as something he considers a scumtell when that scumtell was not there: the intent behind the vote looks pure, since he's removing the vote as soon as he realizes the logical grounds to scumread are bad. It's not impossible that he has a different intent (or even that he's faking to generate the exact thought process I just expressed), but I think it's still towny.

Also I missed Oliver's post about #304 but agree it's a good question to posit. I remember when first reading that I was surprised that MM didn't go after me for my initial, not so good first impression of LY there.
I'm finding analysis a little harder than it typically would be for me, this is a very different setup and it seems some players are approaching it differently than I would which makes a headspace harder to develop.

will be busy for a few hours, tag me with questions.

What is your approach suggestion, then?

[luona]

I'm not a native english speaker

couldnt tell

[Light_Yagami]

I don't really understand what Mike has been doing this game, partly because his logic seems confusing and partly because I'm not a native english speaker + trying to read, uh, liberal grammar :P. As for Light, I think he might be playing dumb here with the "trust the Sheriff" thing (which, for the record, is clearly nonsensical considering the way roles were given to each alignment). He also hasn't done anything striking me as stemming from town intent, which is probably the most reliable way to read him, so I have big doubts there.

Also, it's not weird to like Oberon backing down quickly when he realized he misread his post as something he considers a scumtell when that scumtell was not there: the intent behind the vote looks pure, since he's removing the vote as soon as he realizes the logical grounds to scumread are bad. It's not impossible that he has a different intent (or even that he's faking to generate the exact thought process I just expressed), but I think it's still towny.


What is your approach suggestion, then?

Im Just Not Here This Game Man... Its Like Something Else Is Preoccupying My Mind... I Just Cant Find My Groove..