A message to sc2mafia and staff from anti-hero ZZOrange

[SuperJack]

As messenger for the tale of Zzorange I bring a message

People of Starcraft 2 Mafia, some may hate me, some may agree, some may have no opinion.

I have warned the staff to clean their moderator and admin teams or people who think their gods here and abuse their power.

Ill probably get banned, flamed, or harassed. I really dont care. as this wont change a single fucking thing.

I am now giving 7 days EXACTLY as of this hour on this day, for the staff to clean their team of black sheeps. I expect a report at day 7 whos getting kicked.

If the staff does not comply, I will be buying the domain name, and cleaning EVERY staff on here and bringing people i know will judge correctly, and not judge on favor of who sucked their dicks most.

Arrow told me the liscence dont expire before october, guess what? i hired a domain name broker and am ready to buy the website when i tell him. hope aamirus has 5 000 Dollars (hurray for deployments and big loads of cash coming with it) ready to buy it back. if he creates another site ill just buy this one too. along with taking over SC2 mafia arcade game.

bitch all you want it wont change a thing. the only thing that will prevent me from buying it is if you work with me on this.

I have seen several cases of mod/admin abuse on both the forums and the actual game, yet nothing has been done. time for this bs to end.

last warning for staff.

this is the information from my broker i got, just to prove im not joking around. im doing this for my kids also, like i said they love this game, and i will do anything for my kids.

if aamirus attempts ANY legal actions agaisnt me, I wont hesitate to go back at him for copyright infringments. i really dont have to explain myself. aamirus knows what im talking about. if he has the least bit of respect and honesty towards others, He will not deny it (im not asking for him to acknoledge it in public, it is not my intentions of humiliating him)

Thanks for you time

[OzyWho]

Where was this hero for the 8 years he's been registered on the site?
Because it's strange. The staff, especially the keeper team, is better than it has ever been and yet the hero only now - after his 4th and final perm ban - is making his appearance.

[Oberon]

Where was this hero for the 8 years he's been registered on the site?
Because it's strange. The staff, especially the keeper team, is better than it has ever been and yet the hero only now - after his 4th and final perm ban - is making his appearance.

Only the keeper team. And even the keepers... I mean, one of the reports made recently was was handled by someone in the game lol

Aside from that... yeah. But the problem isn't this website specifically. It's the entire Mafia Community. There is something wrong with it lol.

[OzyWho]

Nvm it be old post.

[theoneceko]

UWU, HEWWO!!! UWOWU HEWWO!!!

[theoneceko]

Anyways, here's a similar quote from Brendan:

People of Starcraft 2 Mafia, some may hate me, some may agree, some may have no opinion.

I have warned the staff to clean their moderator and admin teams or people who think their gods here and abuse their power.

Ill probably get banned, flamed, or harassed. I really dont care. as this wont change a single fucking thing.

I am now giving 7 days EXACTLY as of this hour on this day, for the staff to clean their team of black sheeps. I expect a report at day 7 whos getting kicked.

If the staff does not comply, I will be buying the domain name, and cleaning EVERY staff on here and bringing people i know will judge correctly, and not judge on favor of who sucked their dicks most.

Raptor told me the liscence dont expire before october, guess what? i hired a domain name broker and am ready to buy the website when i tell him. hope DR has 5 000 Dollars (hurray for deployments and big loads of cash coming with it) ready to buy it back. if he creates another site ill just buy this one too. along with taking over SC2 mafia arcade game.

bitch all you want it wont change a thing. the only thing that will prevent me from buying it is if you work with me on this.

I have seen several cases of mod/admin abuse on both the forums and the actual game, yet nothing has been done. time for this bs to end.

last warning for staff.

this is the information from my broker i got, just to prove im not joking around. im doing this for my kids also, like i said they love this game, and i will do anything for my kids.

if DR attempts ANY legal actions agaisnt me, I wont hesitate to go back at him for copyright infringments. i really dont have to explain myself. DR knows what im talking about. if he has the least bit of respect and honesty towards others, He will not deny it (im not asking for him to acknoledge it in public, it is not my intentions of humiliating him)

Thanks for you time

UWOWU HEWWO!!!

[theoneceko]

This ZZ is such a troll,

UWOWU HEWWO!!!

[theoneceko]

I think SuperJack is really unhappy right now.

[theoneceko]

@SuperJack did your quote originate from Brendan's shitpost?

[SuperJack]

@SuperJack did your quote originate from Brendan's shitpost?

No, the origins are from an original person who's original post is in a staff archives.

And it wasn a shit post, it was a real post someone made. Must be a reincarnation of OrangeZZ

[Brendan]

@SuperJack did your quote originate from Brendan's shitpost?

i never shitpost

[ZZorange]

Damn I really got under this guys skin I guess.

I don't really know why, my beliefs aren't that out there.

The objective fact is that yes the mods here are biased, that cannot really be disproven and the reasons why are as simple as people's motivations.


There isn't actually anything holding sc2mafia moderators to doing their job well, if they make a bad call they're not going to be reprimanded the only thing potentially keeping them honest is other moderators who also do not having anything preventing them from fucking up.

Then you simply have to think about the mentality of people who choose to sc2mafia moderate.

Nearly all people who volunteer their time to "do something good" to put it vaguely, expect the actions of that time spent to directly benefit someone or some thing.

If you had someone for example giving their time to say volunteer to help vaacinate people, but then you told that person that all of their efforts weren't actually helping anyone and the rest of the team was filling those syringes with just water. The only reason you'd stay there after being told that your actions were essentially worthless, would be if you really enjoyed jabbing people with needles.

This same situation applies to all the moderators of sc2mafia. In truth they know that 100% of the bans doled out can be circumvented easily and any bans they make to most "problem players" can effectively be ignored. Now this isn't really up for debate that's just a fact of how sc2 currently is.

So knowing the fact that any bans handed out can effectively just be ignored, why would anyone who came to sc2mafia to moderate for the good of the people stick around.

Think about it logically, if you knew for a fact anything you did wouldn't have any lasting consequences and you wouldn't be helping anyone, the only reason you would stick around is if there was something else involved in it that you enjoyed doing. IE the rush one gets from flexing their power and getting their rocks off banning someone.

Most things that sane people do can be explained by the things that motivate them, so if I take out the motivation people get from actually doing something that helps people, there has to be something else that motivates them or why would they continue to do it.

Like for instance I enjoy sc2mafia so I continue to play it for example, if I no longer enjoyed it I wouldn't play it.


This isn't anything personnel against the mods but the objective truth is, that they only remain mods to powertrip there's no other realistic motivation they could have when their actual actions are meaningless from a "making the community better" standpoint.


If you want to remain in denial you can try but like it or not you will eventually arrive at the this fundamental truth, because well the truth is the truth because its true. One can't deny reality forever.

Honest Man Out.

[Helz]

Damn I really got under this guys skin I guess.

I don't really know why, my beliefs aren't that out there.

The objective fact is that yes the mods here are biased, that cannot really be disproven and the reasons why are as simple as people's motivations.


There isn't actually anything holding sc2mafia moderators to doing their job well, if they make a bad call they're not going to be reprimanded the only thing potentially keeping them honest is other moderators who also do not having anything preventing them from fucking up.

Then you simply have to think about the mentality of people who choose to sc2mafia moderate.

Nearly all people who volunteer their time to "do something good" to put it vaguely, expect the actions of that time spent to directly benefit someone or some thing.

If you had someone for example giving their time to say volunteer to help vaacinate people, but then you told that person that all of their efforts weren't actually helping anyone and the rest of the team was filling those syringes with just water. The only reason you'd stay there after being told that your actions were essentially worthless, would be if you really enjoyed jabbing people with needles.

This same situation applies to all the moderators of sc2mafia. In truth they know that 100% of the bans doled out can be circumvented easily and any bans they make to most "problem players" can effectively be ignored. Now this isn't really up for debate that's just a fact of how sc2 currently is.

So knowing the fact that any bans handed out can effectively just be ignored, why would anyone who came to sc2mafia to moderate for the good of the people stick around.

Think about it logically, if you knew for a fact anything you did wouldn't have any lasting consequences and you wouldn't be helping anyone, the only reason you would stick around is if there was something else involved in it that you enjoyed doing. IE the rush one gets from flexing their power and getting their rocks off banning someone.

Most things that sane people do can be explained by the things that motivate them, so if I take out the motivation people get from actually doing something that helps people, there has to be something else that motivates them or why would they continue to do it.

Like for instance I enjoy sc2mafia so I continue to play it for example, if I no longer enjoyed it I wouldn't play it.


This isn't anything personnel against the mods but the objective truth is, that they only remain mods to powertrip there's no other realistic motivation they could have when their actual actions are meaningless from a "making the community better" standpoint.


If you want to remain in denial you can try but like it or not you will eventually arrive at the this fundamental truth, because well the truth is the truth because its true. One can't deny reality forever.

Honest Man Out.

Just a few thoughts:

I don’t believe anyone can buy the domain. I won’t explain why but it’s just not a thing because this site is not hosted like a site would be if you wanted to make your own site.

I also never understood the position of people destroying players experiences to ‘force staff to stop hurting players experiences’ I face palm every time I see some idiot pretending to have moral grounds for being an asshole.

I have honestly never herd of a punishment system with anywhere near the checks and balances that this site has. Someone pushes a report- that person can’t be involved in the report after that. Then someone else processes the report and yet another person reviews and implements the punishment. Then it can be appealed and yet another person uninvolved up to that point handles a review of the report and punishment. That’s a crazy amount of checks to ensure no unilateral action is taken and eliminate bias.

As for power tripping staff, I did see that at some points but I don’t think it’s been an issue for a very long time. After a while those who craved power were weeded out and those who reluctantly accepted it to preform the function of protecting the community moved up.

At the end of the day moderation is a thankless job. When done right nobody cares and when done wrong you get crucified in a court of public opinion. There is no pay and it takes a lot of work and the ‘power’ you get does not give you much fun in the end. The ‘rules’ were created by the community and you have to accept that when players report you it’s because your behavior is hurting their experience. You also can not blame staff when it’s the community itself that’s taking issue with your behavior.

If you would like to have a conversation on the ethics of moderation I’m game but you really should accept that when you have issues with many people you are the common factor in the situation. It’s my personal belief that game moderation should focus on ensuring an enjoyable experience for the community.

[ZZorange]

Just a few thoughts:

I don’t believe anyone can buy the domain. I won’t explain why but it’s just not a thing because this site is not hosted like a site would be if you wanted to make your own site.

I also never understood the position of people destroying players experiences to ‘force staff to stop hurting players experiences’ I face palm every time I see some idiot pretending to have moral grounds for being an asshole.

I have honestly never herd of a punishment system with anywhere near the checks and balances that this site has. Someone pushes a report- that person can’t be involved in the report after that. Then someone else processes the report and yet another person reviews and implements the punishment. Then it can be appealed and yet another person uninvolved up to that point handles a review of the report and punishment. That’s a crazy amount of checks to ensure no unilateral action is taken and eliminate bias.

As for power tripping staff, I did see that at some points but I don’t think it’s been an issue for a very long time. After a while those who craved power were weeded out and those who reluctantly accepted it to preform the function of protecting the community moved up.

At the end of the day moderation is a thankless job. When done right nobody cares and when done wrong you get crucified in a court of public opinion. There is no pay and it takes a lot of work and the ‘power’ you get does not give you much fun in the end. The ‘rules’ were created by the community and you have to accept that when players report you it’s because your behavior is hurting their experience. You also can not blame staff when it’s the community itself that’s taking issue with your behavior.

If you would like to have a conversation on the ethics of moderation I’m game but you really should accept that when you have issues with many people you are the common factor in the situation. It’s my personal belief that game moderation should focus on ensuring an enjoyable experience for the community.

If your definition of "the community" is Altech, Invictus and players like Ozywho who report people when they are the ones who made the mistake, then I deeply fear for your soul. Most of the common reporters here aren't the mafia community, they are players who can't win in the game so they come here to report people they hate to settle the score. That's why I'm able to refute most of the replays that come up here, because in most of them they claim I intentionally gamethrew when it's easy to see I didn't. Of course at a certain point the mods go "Well this guy got reported a bunch so the reports must be valid" Even if one of the "valid" reports is a report for something that I've never seen reported for on the site in my entire time here.

Also "At the end of the day moderation is a thankless job. When done right nobody cares and when done wrong you get crucified in a court of public opinion. There is no pay and it takes a lot of work and the ‘power’ you get does not give you much fun in the end." Well it makes it all worth it at the end when you know the actions you took prevented the bad people from playing mafia Right... It did prevent them from playing the game right? *Anakin Stare*

[OzyWho]

players like Ozywho who report people when they are the ones who made the mistake

For the record, this monkey thinks I was a Jailor who executed him.. because.. you know.. he assumed so without fact checking..

I call him monkey because that's how I view him intellectually now.
Reason being: I told him I was never a Jailor who executed him but telling him directly is not enough for the little monkey to understand..

I've never seen someone report someone else in a game where they were the failor who executed a town. That is a new level of memery and fun defining. That is quite funny.

Ok..
Why are you telling me this again?
And just out of curiosity, who was the 'failor'? So I can go and congratulate him.

[SuperJack]

Oh wow, our mythical beacon of hope!
Has just now. SHATTERED. The entire world and reality.
I hear every mod has suddenly collapsed, their eyes bleeding whilst their hair gently falls off their head. Their core beliefs stuck bare, realising that their whole purpose is meaningless, every action, every word have had zero impact upon their beloved mafia mod.
Gonna help everyone pack, discussion has been held and the site will be shutting down. This time next week everyone will be gone.
Can't believe no one ever has even suggested whatever possibility you just suggested. This site should of closed down like 5 years ago.


Good job ZZorange, you won.

[DJarJar]

their eyes bleeding whilst their hair gently falls off their head.

zombie-jar-jar-binks.jpg

[Unknown1234]

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Never fails to make an appearance

[OzyWho]

zombie-jar-jar-binks.jpg

Cute force-illusion.
We all know none could beat Darth JJ

[ZZorange]

Provide a counter argument instead of just satire posting or you just kinda look like a goon.

[SuperJack]

Provide a counter argument instead of just satire posting or you just kinda look like a goon.

Spoiler : =) :

Bingle bongle dingle dangle, yickedy doo, yickedy da, ping pong, lippy-tappy-too-ta!

[OzyWho]

SJ stop trolling him lol

[Unknown1234]

You’re so blinded by your belief that mods are only here to powertrip others is making you sound quite dumb right now.

[ZZorange]

You’re so blinded by your belief that mods are only here to powertrip others is making you sound quite dumb right now.

It's not a belief it's the truth because they have zero motivation to do anything properly and if people aren't motivated to do things properly they often won't.

If mods aren't here because they enjoy busting nuts banning people and locking threads, then why are they here. Can you answer that one Unknown?

[SuperJack]

It's not a belief it's the truth because they have zero motivation to do anything properly and if people aren't motivated to do things properly they often won't.

Man yeh. How about someone goes around shitting on them when they try and do their job? Maybe that will help motivation.

[OzyWho]

Man yeh. How about someone goes around shitting on them when they try and do their job? Maybe that will help motivation.

I doubt they get paid

[ZZorange]

Man yeh. How about someone goes around shitting on them when they try and do their job? Maybe that will help motivation.

That's not the same and you know it lol. You can't compare real jobs to volunteer ones people decide to choose for a variety of reasons and I can shit on people who decide to choose a volunteer job because it helps them feel more in control in a life they feel they have no control over, by letting them powertrip on people and ban them.

I don't feel bad hating on people who are objectively bad human beings. They chose to be that, and they can just as easily choose not to be it too.

[Unknown1234]

It's not a belief it's the truth because they have zero motivation to do anything properly and if people aren't motivated to do things properly they often won't.

If mods are here because they enjoy busting nuts banning people and locking threads, then why are they here. Can you answer that one Unknown?

As someone who made a farewell post telling people who you enjoyed playing with that you are no longer returning (still a lie anyways which is funny) I have a feeling you can answer this question on your own. If I didn’t like interacting and talking to people on this site I wouldn’t be here right now. Mafia isn’t a game to be played on your own, no matter what people say. There are others like me who enjoy playing the game with others and don’t want their games ruined by others who think they can exploit rules and get away with it.

[Oberon]

There is a reason most of the users on-site are Staff.

[Unknown1234]

There is a reason most of the users on-site are Staff.

If you’re not including retired staff it’s actually not that high a percentage.

[rumox]

If you’re not including retired staff it’s actually not that high a percentage.

Among the top ~100 posters of 2021, 6 of them were staff. 13 if you include ex-staff.

[OzyWho]

Among the top ~100 posters of 2021, 6 of them were staff. 13 if you include ex-staff.

I imagine 80 others having below 10 posts with most of them closer to 1

[Oberon]

Among the top ~100 posters of 2021, 6 of them were staff. 13 if you include ex-staff.

4/9 people who posted here are staff. Nuff said

[Renegade]

4/9 people who posted here are staff. Nuff said

Definition of cherry picking.

Obviously this post is more likely to have a staff response than non staff.

[Stealthbomber16]

4/9 people who posted here are staff. Nuff said

The thread title is "A message to sc2mafia and staff".

There's actually only one current staff member who responded to this thread. Blue names are retired staff. I'm not staff, unknown is not staff, SJ is not staff.

FAKE NEWS!

[Unknown1234]

4/9 people who posted here are staff. Nuff said

I think it’s funny how nobody will ever be able to tell if you’re being serious or trolling.

[OzyWho]

There is a reason most of the users on-site are Staff.

Keep going.

[SuperJack]

Brb gonna tell my wife they are a bad mother so that my kids will have a better upbringing

[OzyWho]

I think ZZorange just applied for Keeper position.

[Unknown1234]

I nominate SuperJack to review the application of the hero for staff.

[DJarJar]

Just a random thought, but if you're not throwing games anymore on your smurf account, maybe the punishment system did its job?

[Unknown1234]

Just a random thought, but if you're not throwing games anymore on your smurf account, maybe the punishment system did its job?

I think the fact he’s still crying here to staff about how bad the staff are doing their jobs is a good sign of this.

[ZZorange]

Just a random thought, but if you're not throwing games anymore on your smurf account, maybe the punishment system did its job?

That assumes one false thing though that I intentionally threw games to begin with, for if I was an intentional thrower who threw games on purpose and I cared more about throwing games than actually playing them, I would continue to throw games on my alt accounts.

The truth of the matter though is that the only thing that changed is that people don't know it's ZZorange so they don't file a report because they hate that guy.

The hard truth is, is I haven't intentionally thrown in all of the games I have been reported save for 1. Because I don't enjoy intentionally throwing the game. You can look at any of my reports looking for concrete proof that I was trying to lose the game for my team and you'll find none because none exists.


If I was the chronic thrower you believe I am, I would throw games repeatedly to spite you and while I have obviously mentioned the thought had crossed my mind the truth is the only people who would suffer would be the mostly innocent people who play Mafia regularly the mods who doled out the injustice aren't effected lol and even if they happened to be playing there's still 13 other people that would suffer because of what one bad person did? That just ain't worth it.

I play sc2mafia and that's about it, always has been. You guys decided to ban me over a gimmick account under the false pretense of throwing but I didn't throw games and I can enjoy playing sc2mafia without using a gimmick.

The only people you will ever "teach a lesson" to by banning are the casual players who don't know/ don't want to go through the effort to make a new account to play a game they hadn't even liked that much yet. Any true mafia fan will just continue to play and if they're throwers they'll throw, if they're rascists they'll be rascists. You know that's the truth of the matter, you've seen it.

You've been around long enough to know the truth that I'm saying to you right now, you've seen the Pedo alts, the Rascism alts you know how much your bans have done but you stay because locking threads and taking the "moral high ground" get you hard.

It's not some big conspiracy it's the easily observable truth. Ridicule, satire post, do whatever you want about me but anyone looking from the outside will probably be able to see the valid points Im making and always have made.

[DJarJar]

That assumes one false thing though that I intentionally threw games to begin with, for if I was an intentional thrower who threw games on purpose and I cared more about throwing games than actually playing them, I would continue to throw games on my alt accounts.

The truth of the matter though is that the only thing that changed is that people don't know it's ZZorange so they don't file a report because they hate that guy.

The hard truth is, is I haven't intentionally thrown in all of the games I have been reported save for 1. Because I don't enjoy intentionally throwing the game. You can look at any of my reports looking for concrete proof that I was trying to lose the game for my team and you'll find none because none exists.


If I was the chronic thrower you believe I am, I would throw games repeatedly to spite you and while I have obviously mentioned the thought had crossed my mind the truth is the only people who would suffer would be the mostly innocent people who play Mafia regularly the mods who doled out the injustice aren't effected lol and even if they happened to be playing there's still 13 other people that would suffer because of what one bad person did? That just ain't worth it.

I play sc2mafia and that's about it, always has been. You guys decided to ban me over a gimmick account under the false pretense of throwing but I didn't throw games and I can enjoy playing sc2mafia without using a gimmick.

The only people you will ever "teach a lesson" to by banning are the casual players who don't know/ don't want to go through the effort to make a new account to play a game they hadn't even liked that much yet. Any true mafia fan will just continue to play and if they're throwers they'll throw, if they're rascists they'll be rascists. You know that's the truth of the matter, you've seen it.

You've been around long enough to know the truth that I'm saying to you right now, you've seen the Pedo alts, the Rascism alts you know how much your bans have done but you stay because locking threads and taking the "moral high ground" get you hard.

It's not some big conspiracy it's the easily observable truth. Ridicule, satire post, do whatever you want about me but anyone looking from the outside will probably be able to see the valid points Im making and always have made.

What I got out of that is you finally decided to stop your "gimmick" of obsessively hunting default names even if they are objectively poor targets or even proven to be your teammates. Sounds like a success story to me

[ZZorange]

What I got out of that is you finally decided to stop your "gimmick" of obsessively hunting default names even if they are objectively poor targets or even proven to be your teammates. Sounds like a success story to me

Nice actual lying. Trying to warp the narrative is some good stuff, but you and I both know the truth.

I only ever lynched unconfirmed default names and you know that. I have not one lynched a confirmed town default name but you know that already but don't care because it doesn't suit your narrative. Wow a shocker imagine a terrible human lying to cover their narrative because someone called out the real reason they volunteer to do something is because they enjoy banning people and are a bad person. Noice.

**AAMirus scrambles through past forum posts looking for proof to find one of their own posts but then realizes said post they made was based on false information**

[DJarJar]

Nice actual lying. Trying to warp the narrative is some good stuff, but you and I both know the truth.

I only ever lynched unconfirmed default names and you know that. I have not one lynched a confirmed town default name but you know that already but don't care because it doesn't suit your narrative. Wow a shocker imagine a terrible human lying to cover their narrative because someone called out the real reason they volunteer to do something is because they enjoy banning people and are a bad person. Noice.

**AAMirus scrambles through past forum posts looking for proof to find one of their own posts but then realizes said post they made was based on false information**

Hey you're getting decent at forum mafia

[SuperJack]

God no, Keeper? You peeps insane?


Straight to Blue SuperMod. They can be a Warden, we can revive that staff Position and I'm sure zzorange will have sc2mafia back to its glory days of 2013.

[Unknown1234]

God no, Keeper? You peeps insane?


Straight to Blue SuperMod. They can be a Warden, we can revive that staff Position and I'm sure zzorange will have sc2mafia back to its glory days of 2013.

I bet Arrow would step down for ZZhero.

[OzyWho]

God no, Keeper? You peeps insane?


Straight to Blue SuperMod. They can be a Warden, we can revive that staff Position and I'm sure zzorange will have sc2mafia back to its glory days of 2013.

Do it!

[SuperJack]

I didn't intentionally commit a crime multiple times.

I only accidentally committed a crime multiple times

Youre honour, law enforcement are out to get me. I swear thats the only explanation