S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

[theoneceko]

Why do you continue to soft-claim cop

What the fuck?

I am VT.

I soft-claimed Nerfed Medic. If scum and the real Nerfed Medic caught onto my soft-claim, then there would've been no kills last night and maybe on night 3 too.

Also, I love how you just changed the last quote in your signature. LOL

[theoneceko]

I can answer why I said I'd vote you but didn't. I thought we were playing with a hammer, but since Mike is the best host ever, I shouldn't feel bad about placing my vote. I would have voted you at that time.

As of right now, you're in the middle, but I have to reread my notes once I finish. I'm really documenting who trusted/scum read who when, and seeing if I can find odd jumps. You and Wrath are EXTREMELY consistent.

@Stealthbomber16 You should believe your friend here, even though I never understood why he thought I was consistent at that time:

What are you talking about? We're the least consistent players in this game.

[Stealthbomber16]

What the fuck?

I am VT.

I soft-claimed Nerfed Medic. If scum and the real Nerfed Medic caught onto my soft-claim, then there would've been no kills last night and maybe on night 3 too.

Also, I love how you just changed the last quote in your signature. LOL

First of all, you've softclaimed cop by having all this talk about confirmed town. Your big post at the end of the previous day was definitely a cop softclaim.

Second of all, this makes no sense.

[theoneceko]

First of all, you've softclaimed cop by having all this talk about confirmed town. Your big post at the end of the previous day was definitely a cop softclaim.

Second of all, this makes no sense.

I'm not going to pull up more quotes. However, I'll say that if I was the Parity Cop, then I would've revealed on day 3 when you asked. You're contradicting yourself because you called me compliant and said that I soft-claimed Parity Cop. Those two accusations don't match at all with each other.

[Stealthbomber16]

I'm not going to pull up more quotes. However, I'll say that if I was the Parity Cop, then I would've revealed on day 3 when you asked. You're contradicting yourself because you called me compliant and said that I soft-claimed Parity Cop. Those two accusations don't match at all with each other.

this is correct

[theoneceko]

I'm not going to pull up more quotes. However, I'll say that if I was the Parity Cop, then I would've revealed on day 3 when you asked. You're contradicting yourself because you called me compliant and said that I soft-claimed Parity Cop. Those two accusations don't match at all with each other.

If I was compliant, then I wouldn't have withheld "Parity Cop" leads from you all freaking game.

[Stealthbomber16]

Ok I'm done with today

-vote skip

Lets narrow this pool down

[Stealthbomber16]

I think I've done everything I intended to do today- with varying results.

[theoneceko]

this is correct

I'm not liking Stealth right now.

Is he faking a scumread on me so town!Light and town!Yuesford will vote me?

[theoneceko]

Ok I'm done with today

-vote skip

Lets narrow this pool down

I don't believe you're going to stick with this vote.

[Stealthbomber16]

I don't believe you're going to stick with this vote.

Why not? It's not wise to lynch today and it's impossible to hammer.

Best play for town is to skip.

[theoneceko]

Death Analysis:

Graveyard

Auwt
BananaCucho
Varcron
ZZorange
MartinGG99
S-FM Magoroth
Funny Thing
blinkskater
Renegade
Marshmallow Marshall

Green = confirmed town
Gray = possible scum

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There is one scum between Stealth, Light, and Yuesford. One of these players are in a scum team with:

Auwt
BananaCucho
MartinGG99
Funny Thing
Renegade

[theoneceko]

Why not? It's not wise to lynch today and it's impossible to hammer.

Best play for town is to skip.

this is correct

[theoneceko]

@Yuesford what are you doing?

[Stealthbomber16]

Been thinking about it and it makes way more sense for auwt to have been scum than banana mechanically. Not that it really matters. I don't think it changes my reads.

[theoneceko]

Been thinking about it and it makes way more sense for auwt to have been scum than banana mechanically. Not that it really matters. I don't think it changes my reads.

Same. Since the game didn't end after Renegade's lynch, I'm willing to consider Auwt as scum again.

I'm either mind-melding with you or pocketing you. However, I don't really care right now. I need to be honest with my thought processes.

[theoneceko]

Yuesford, it makes no sense for town to seriously scumread me right now.

[Yuesford]

@Yuesford if you tell me your role, I will tell you mine.

Vanilla Town. What's urs? Mafia? Cop? Doc?

[theoneceko]

I'm going to be happy if I actually caught scum!Yuesford with my bait vote on Banana at the start of this game.

[theoneceko]

Vanilla Town. What's urs? Mafia? Cop? Doc?

You're clearly reading the thread, but haven't responded to the interactions between Stealth and I. I wonder why.

[theoneceko]

@Stealthbomber16 if Renegade and Yuesford are both scum, you can never tell me that scumreading people based on if they're reading the thread without posting is a bad strategy.

[Light_Yagami]

@Light_Yagami

say something scummy so that you dont get shot tonight. quick!

(THIS IS A JOKE!)

Keep Calm.jpg

[Yuesford]

You're clearly reading the thread, but haven't responded to the interactions between Stealth and I. I wonder why.

Uhmm. Cos I'm playing the mods?

[theoneceko]

Uhmm. Cos I'm playing the mods?

Oh okay, I'll stop.

I don't want to angleshoot.

[Yuesford]

I'll let you all handle this. I'm getting bored.

Why is a standard 933 setup not played on this site. smh.

[theoneceko]

I'll let you all handle this. I'm getting bored.

Why is a standard 933 setup not played on this site. smh.

I'd love if someone hosted a FM based on the 933 setup from the mod.

[theoneceko]

I'll let you all handle this. I'm getting bored.

Why is a standard 933 setup not played on this site. smh.

What do you think of the recent posts between me and Stealth?

[Yuesford]

What do you think of the recent posts between me and Stealth?

Well.. My take here is he sided with Kira. But he literally suspected everyone (Me, Ceko, Blink, Renegade, Funny Thing, etc).

That's the most sus part of him that makes me deduce he's the mafia we're looking for.

[theoneceko]

Well.. My take here is he sided with Kira. But he literally suspected everyone (Me, Ceko, Blink, Renegade, Funny Thing, etc).

That's the most sus part of him that makes me deduce he's the mafia we're looking for.

Kira or Stealth?

[Yuesford]

Oh okay, I'll stop.

I don't want to angleshoot.

NP. Kira is playing the mods too, that's why he wasn't active here rn.

[Yuesford]

Kira or Stealth?

Stealth suspected everyone, but he defended Kira and doesn't suspect him at all.

[theoneceko]

By the way, you're extremely cringe for saying you live in China because:

1. I know that you live in America.
2. Several Chinese people are on this site.

[Yuesford]

By the way, you're extremely cringe for saying you live in China because:

1. I know that you live in America.
2. Several Chinese people are on this site.

Living and owning a penthouse in Shenzhen is one of my dream... :/

[theoneceko]

However, I like your points about Stealth. Scum!Stealth probably advocated for a skip today because he knew that at least one person would try to lynch him today. After all, people have been pushing for Stealth's lynch since day 2. Also, scum!Stealth will have a more powerful voice in a 1v2 situation than today.

-vote Stealthbomber16

[theoneceko]

Living and owning a penthouse in Shenzhen is one of my dream... :/

It's still annoying because you say a lot of other questionable things.

[theoneceko]

@Yuesford where is Shenzhen anyways?

[theoneceko]

My posts during day 2 EoD looked really bad.

[Yuesford]

It's still annoying because you say a lot of other questionable things.

Well I always get lynched as town in the mods. There's that. But in FM, my reads on stealthbomber is accurate.

Willing to post cool vid about it if I am wrong.

@Yuesford where is Shenzhen anyways?

Northern side of Hong Kong. It links Hong Kong to Mainland China

[theoneceko]

I think Yuesford realized that I voted Stealth to bait another reaction from him. He doesn't know how to make the proper townie response because he's scum.

By the way @Yuesford , you were supposed to start scumreading me super hard for completely changing my read on Stealth and voting for a player when I just agreed with Stealth that skipping was the best strategy for town. Since you recently had me as 33% scum, you should've said I was 66% scum after I voted Stealth.

However, you seem to have lost all interest in this game after I started tunneling you. You also completely changed your tone after I asked you this:

What do you think of the recent posts between me and Stealth?

I was just throwing shade at Stealth, so I think you were being opportunistic while I was "suspecting" Stealth.
@Stealthbomber16 every bad post I recently directed toward you was fabricated.

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@Yuesford I voted Stealth to see if you'd townclear yourself by scumreading my slot. However, you just left, so I'll just have to give you scumpoints for the way you posted after I asked you a question in the quote above.

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I think Yuesford is the correct lynch for tomorrow.

I will

-vote unvote

because I want to keep re-reading.

[theoneceko]

Well I always get lynched as town in the mods. There's that. But in FM, my reads on stealthbomber is accurate.

Willing to post cool vid about it if I am wrong.



Northern side of Hong Kong. It links Hong Kong to Mainland China

Oh, okay. I actually DID get information from you by voting Stealth. I asked you about Shenzhen to see if you'd respond to that or my vote on Stealth first. I also was legitimately curious. Sorry dude, I'm an asshole.

I really think you're scum now.

[theoneceko]

I think Yuesford realized that I voted Stealth to bait another reaction from him. He doesn't know how to make the proper townie response because he's scum.

By the way @Yuesford , you were supposed to start scumreading me super hard for completely changing my read on Stealth and voting for a player when I just agreed with Stealth that skipping was the best strategy for town. Since you recently had me as 33% scum, you should've said I was 66% scum after I voted Stealth.

However, you seem to have lost all interest in this game after I started tunneling you. You also completely changed your tone after I asked you this:



I was just throwing shade at Stealth, so I think you were being opportunistic while I was "suspecting" Stealth.
@Stealthbomber16 every bad post I recently directed toward you was fabricated.

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@Yuesford I voted Stealth to see if you'd townclear yourself by scumreading my slot. However, you just left, so I'll just have to give you scumpoints for the way you posted after I asked you a question in the quote above.

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I think Yuesford is the correct lynch for tomorrow.

I will

-vote unvote

because I want to keep re-reading.

By tomorrow, I mean day 5.

[theoneceko]

I also unvoted because I didn't want to get risk getting scumread by Light and Stealth for voting Stealth by the time I came back.

[Yuesford]

Oh, okay. I actually DID get information from you by voting Stealth. I asked you about Shenzhen to see if you'd respond to that or my vote on Stealth first. I also was legitimately curious. Sorry dude, I'm an asshole.

I really think you're scum now.

Aight. You've just lost the game because of it.

[theoneceko]

The scum team could be Banana/Renegade/Yuesford.

Banana avoided the fight between Light and Yuesford in day 1. He also barely interacted with Renegade.

The scum team could also be Auwt/Renegade/Yuesford because Auwt gave zero fucks in day 1. This could be because both he knew how Renegade and Yuesford play. Scum!Renegade just coasts and this is Yuesford's second game.

[Yuesford]

By the way @Yuesford , you were supposed to start scumreading me super hard for completely changing my read on Stealth and voting for a player when I just agreed with Stealth that skipping was the best strategy for town. Since you recently had me as 33% scum, you should've said I was 66% scum after I voted Stealth.

However, you seem to have lost all interest in this game after I started tunneling you. You also completely changed your tone after I asked you this:

It's true that I lost interest in the moment. But it's because I'm playing starcraft and I had fun while playing it.. Here? I have no voice. There's that. But it's definitely not because I was tunneled by you.

[theoneceko]

DAY 2 RECAP:

Spoiler : Spoiler Alert :

MartinGG99 (4 [L-95]):
theoneceko, blinkskater, Stealthbomber16, Renegade

WrathCyber (1 [L-98]):
Funny Thing

Light_Yagami (2 [L-97]):
Yuesford, ZZorange

Yuesford (1 [L-98]):
Light_Yagami

S-FM Magoroth (1 [L-98]):
WrathCyber

ZZorange (1 [L-98]):
S-FM Magoroth

Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-98]):
MartinGG99

Something Fishy Is Going On Here...

At This Point From My POV Martians Train Looks Marginally Like A Scum Backed Train.. I Think At Least 1 Scum Is On Martian Currently..

I Need To Watch The Votes Better..

Renegade is the only scum that could've voted Martin.

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nah hes a good guy

FT townread Light all game.

Yagami town?? Whuut??????

Yuesford scumread Light all game.

Or I caught you + stealthbomber16 buddying. That makes 2 confirmed scum. I'm pretty sure if we lynch you today and shoot stealthbomber at night, and locating the last evil (if the 3rd one is still alive) makes things easier.

Fuck the reads. I know you are the nuclear of evils in this game.

Yuesford said Stealth and Light are a team since day 2.

If scum!Yuesford pulled this off on day 2, it would've been a HUGE victory for him. Wait, what the fuck?! Why did he talk about shooting Stealth at night?!?

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#1244

In any case. I firmly believe blink is vig. If he is, then we are missing one kill or mafia hit vakron too.

From what I've observe. Stealth and Light are buddies. Funny is a sheep voter, zzorange is trolling, but would still benefit town. Blink is likely vig, makes no sense to hide it. Wrath is town for me, my gut tells me. Ceko I have no solid opinion, but they are looking a bit scummy bcos he said Light is town locked. I have no opinion about Magaroth and Martin, but they are a sheep voter so it's SUS!! In the mods, we always vote up the non talker if we dont have a lead. But before that, we need to lynch Kira first

Why do you have no opinion about Renegade?

#1381

Kekek. I can't say anything about Renegade. I honestly forgot he was in the game.

This was Yuesford's reply to his reads in post 1244.

This makes Yuesford and Renegade look like a team.

Yuesford is copying Stealth. I hate how much Yuesford copied other players this game.

#1382

I'm not sure about wrath and reneg. But i'm sure stealthman is 100% co-evil!

I heard that mafia like to null-read their teammates. Yuesford is certainly null-reading Renegade, even though he's the biggest "sheep voter" in this game. However, Yuesford called out Magoroth and Martin for "sheep voting" while completely ignoring Renegade.

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yues we get sb first you okay with that

i need the numbers right

-vote stealthbomber16

Kira + stealthbomber are scum partners.
Yeah okay sure. Which ever comes first, this might shaken up a bit.
In any case. Even if I die, everyone lynch Kira tommorow.

-vote stealthbomber16

FT and Yues could be a team.

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like, my only interaction early game was a hardcore defense of yuesford

This gives Yuesford a few townpoints. Why would scum!Yuesford kill somebody that townreads him? However, Magoroth didn't like Renegade, so maybe that's why he got killed.

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So i'm pretty sure funny actually scum slipped here.

He legit called the two dead people (Varcron+Banana.) Town. That's TMI at it's finest.

I would be totally okay with lynching funny here after Martin.

The scum team is FT/Renegade/Yues?

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Good catch.

If Renegade is scum, I highly doubt FT is his partner based on this post.

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Should We Skip Since ZZOrange Was Mod Killed?

Light, why are you still asking this in day 2?

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\/ TOWN \/
Blink
- TRs vacaron, very few people have actually come out to say that
- Advocate for PL

Light
- People say he's town, but my eyes bleed over what he says. Hoping mafia kills him so I don't have to figure the slot out

SB16
- TRs vacaron, very few people have actually come out to say that
- Mind melds with me on Ceko’s play
- Agrees with Banana over Ceko’s play
- Teamy vibes with ceko
- Mind melds some with BC
- Really tries to protect light

Ceko
- Did not like the bit about being forcibly sheepish to get reads
- Super consistent player
- Super afraid of votes (got scared of a train within 7 minutes, wtf)
- Teamy vibes with sb16
- A lot of initial reads are based on inactivity

Wrath
- Also very consistent
- Didn’t really want to move from his votes
- Doesn’t read too closely
- Buddies with zzorange and yuesford
- I think this is a scum slip
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post932991

Renegade
- Plays this game the way I would, at least when it comes to mechanics and fundamentals
- Too few reads for my liking. Voted for Yuesford and SR Auwt. Trusts light. Nothing else in day 1

Martin
- I didn’t comment on him at all during my reads. Not posting much content

Yuesford
- Reason for switching on Ceko was Ceko defense of light
- It’s weak, but maybe yuesford is a weak player
- Forgets SR on banana ans SB
- Tunneling is pretty bad

FunnyThing
- Really strong opening inviting people to check him
- Followed ceko here without much explanation
/\ scum /\

Banana
- Doesn’t agree with vacaron over cheek’s play
- If scum, not with Wrath
- Not scum with Wrath (maybe bussing)
- I don’t think Wrath is scum
- Voting for Aunt was fake, but can’t really ask him anymore

Dead
- Auwt - town
- BC - town? Seems to have started SR SB after I did, and didn’t give many reads


**Other thoughts**
I don't think Blink actually killed Banana. I think there is going to be 2 kills tomorrow and Blink's going to claim it.

Renegade, Martin, Yuesford, and FT are all at the bottom of Magoroth's list. Magoroth died that night.

Spoiler : not scum pairings :

Not scum pairings
Banana && ceko
SB && Light
- Hard to fake anti political between 2 scum mates.* maybe not.
Wrath && ceko
sb16 && ceko
Funny Thing && ceko
- FT mispelling name, thinks ceko is trippin
Renegade && Yuesford
- idk, maybe
- definite train building here
Yuesford && FT
- calling your scum partner a fool, someone you know? interesting play if they're actually scum scum
Blink && ceko
this seems super genuine to me.
Wrath && Ceko
needless for ceko to stop the SAS
Wrath && Martin
Banana && Auwt
Banana && Wrath

This is the only time when Magoroth said a pair could be scum together in his "not scum pairings" list.

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That Could Be The Case

Light also thinks Stealth was pocketing Magoroth. Light has been consistent with his belief that scum!Stealth is pocketing everyone, even if he's wrong about Stealth.

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Renegade doesn't suspect anyone are we reading the same game?

According to how you think Yuesford would act, he is acting like a Town Yuesford atm.

Sb16 and Funny are tied at 3 votes a piece, Martin has 2 what are you talking about martins about to be lynched?

Are you slipping up as scum here? I may be inclined to push for your lynch right now because you make ZERO sense.

Oh my god. This is when Blink starts being a dictator. His tunneling made it very hard to view this game with a level head.

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To defend Yagami here, and I hate defending Yagami, you're sorta the town clear and you're directing the votes at end game. Unless sb16 says lights scum, it's going to take a little more than that to get me to vote light.

is light's meta not to do this?


and blink, sb16 has 3 votes on him, votes are SHIFTING and I don't want sb16 to be the death today.

Magoroth defending Light. Magoroth died that night.

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Yagami won't vote martin tho that much I gathered

Also, Martin never voted Light. There's a small chance that Martin and Light are a team.

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I see what you mean now. Sorry, just remember that this is EOD and things are moving quickly.

Click on the blue arrow to see the full post. However, upon re-reading this, I no longer think Light voting FT was scummy.

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Id Vote Him Just Ta Spite You For Saying That..

Since this was during EoD, I no longer think Light and Martin are a team.

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im just puttin it out there renegade lays loooooooow

This was also during EoD. FT and Renegade might not be a team.

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Yues REALLY doesn't want there to be a SB16 lynch, strange because SB16 + Yagami have been on each others dicks the entire game.

This is wrong, because this was the next post:

Dude.. I unvoted bcos u said stealth claimed parity cop.
I just read the last page due to time constraints.

-vote stealthbomber16

I think town!Yuesford would've been more angry at me for lying about Stealth. However, I might just be tunneled on Yuesford.

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you realize both stealth and light are really good scum players right?

No I did not.

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CONCLUSION:

My re-read made me change my initial opinion that Light was playing scummy during day 2. This technically makes Yuesford look scummier since I don't want to lynch Light for now. Light and blink scumread Stealth, so maybe I need to look harder at Stealth's slot. Blink's post about Stealth's meta intrigued me a lot as well. I hope Reading day 3 will give me more info.

[Yuesford]

The only scum read you'll need to me is I'll definitely kill Kira night 1 no matter what.

[theoneceko]

Since we’re at least one mafia down we can absolutely solve the game.

I’ll go ahead and remove any illusions by claiming VT right now. No chance I die tonight anyway.

Why not?

[theoneceko]

The only scum read you'll need to me is I'll definitely kill Kira night 1 no matter what.

@Mike what happens if two goons are left and they choose to kill different people?

[theoneceko]

if martin was good then im going with this

-vote renegade

Interesting.