S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

[theoneceko]

like, my only interaction early game was a hardcore defense of yuesford

and a hard scumread on ceko.

:^)

[Funny Thing]

Dude looks generally towny. Everything he's said seems motivated from a town perspective.

yo tell you what who do you think is one hundred percent towny

[theoneceko]

yo tell you what who do you think is one hundred percent towny

you're going in circles.

Check recent posts Stealth made and you'll find your answer.

[Funny Thing]

like, i've been reading this game, but not READING. and i haven't interacted with anybody

yeah so your just gonna die hah

[Funny Thing]

you're going in circles.

Check recent posts Stealth made and you'll find your answer.

he doesnt need help does he?

[theoneceko]

he doesnt need help does he?

Stealth might get annoyed and not answer you, so I pre-emptively answered for him.

In other words, I don't know.

:^)

[Funny Thing]

Stealth might get annoyed and not answer you, so I pre-emptively answered for him.

In other words, I don't know.

:^)

thats what makes you towny

[blinkskater]

Tbh I would scum read this entire thread, but i have to pick players to be town to try and solve the game... Varcron was the only town read I had full confidence in, fuckin scum monsters...

[blinkskater]

I do feel better about Yuesford at the moment and less good about Yagami.

My poe order looking like this Martin>>Ren>> Mag/Funny

[blinkskater]

Dude looks generally towny. Everything he's said seems motivated from a town perspective.

I say this kind of thing when i'm scum all of the time and need to spit out a quick reason why I town read someone .

[Yuesford]

yues we get sb first you okay with that

Kira + stealthbomber are scum partners.
Yeah okay sure. Which ever comes first, this might shaken up a bit.
In any case. Even if I die, everyone lynch Kira tommorow.

-vote stealthbomber16

[Yuesford]

@Yuesford

Nah. That's a lie. I gave my opinion about everyone as of day 2.

[Stealthbomber16]

yo tell you what who do you think is one hundred percent towny

Blink, Yagami, and Varcron WAS yesterday.

I did already answer this.

[Stealthbomber16]

I say this kind of thing when i'm scum all of the time and need to spit out a quick reason why I town read someone .

Tbh not even 100% sure why I townread him

[Stealthbomber16]

Anyone mind telling me why I’ve got the most votes rn?

[blinkskater]

plus why would you kill charmander fam that dont make any sense you didn even vote with the two towns that died so auwt was probably mafia

so bad guys used both kills on the same person and shaggy shot charmander for no reason but both killed ppl voted auwt and you didnt. your the odd man out right

So i'm pretty sure funny actually scum slipped here.

He legit called the two dead people (Varcron+Banana.) Town. That's TMI at it's finest.

I would be totally okay with lynching funny here after Martin.

[blinkskater]

Or vice versa idc

-vote funny thing

[blinkskater]

As an uninformed player in a flip less setup you don't just call the 2 players that died town, no that's definitely a TMI slip

[theoneceko]

So i'm pretty sure funny actually scum slipped here

He legit called the two dead people (Varcron+Banana.) Town. That's TMI at it's finest.

I would be totally okay with lynching funny here after Martin.

I like how Funny Thing was the only one who questioned your vigilante claim. Also, his argument that the nerfed medic healed someone last night makes a lot more sense than your theory that mafia stacked their kill on Varcron.

[blinkskater]

I claimed the banana kill how would he know banana is town?

My guess is that scum also hit banana, that's how he knows.

[blinkskater]

I like how Funny Thing was the only one who questioned your vigilante claim. Also, his argument that the nerfed medic healed someone last night makes a lot more sense than your theory that mafia stacked their kill on Varcron.

I believe he questioned my claim because him and his scum team killed banana.

I don't think he has an argument that nerfed medic killed someone either, you are mistaken I believe.

[Renegade]

So i'm pretty sure funny actually scum slipped here.

He legit called the two dead people (Varcron+Banana.) Town. That's TMI at it's finest.

I would be totally okay with lynching funny here after Martin.

Good catch.

[theoneceko]

the nerfed medic healed someone last night

There is no need for the nerfed medic, assuming they’re still alive, to confirm this.

[blinkskater]

At least a lynch today and a kill or two tonight will help narrow things down

[Stealthbomber16]

There is no need for the nerfed medic, assuming they’re still alive, to confirm this.

nerfed medic doesn’t get feedback on heals, as per mike’s response already.

[theoneceko]

Or vice versa idc

-vote funny thing

As an uninformed player in a flip less setup you don't just call the 2 players that died town, no that's definitely a TMI slip

I’m totally okay with sheeping you since you are basically confirmed town. Funny Thing was a slot I wanted to lynch later, but I did say that he has been giving me weird vibes lately.

-vote Funny Thing

I feel like I’m playing the mod with a decisive government role or an investigative role that has a lead. If blink is town, this is a very good sign for us because blink is a good player. Also, having an outed power role lead town gives them a sense of direction in this flipless setup.

I believe the only scenario where scum!blinkskater would claim to be vigilante is if he caught Varcron or Banana softclaiming vigilante through breadcrumbs. I’m too lazy to check both players’ ISOs to confirm this, but I will say right now that I think Varcron is more likely to have breadcrumbed. It’s just a gut feeling I have.

**If someone can check if Banana or Varcron breadcrumbed being a vigilante, that would be amazing.

[theoneceko]

I have the most posts. Can someone overtake me in post count? I don’t like spamming the thread.

[Stealthbomber16]

Quality over quantity

[S-FM Magoroth]

I’m totally okay with sheeping you since you are basically confirmed town. Funny Thing was a slot I wanted to lynch later, but I did say that he has been giving me weird vibes lately.

-vote Funny Thing

I feel like I’m playing the mod with a decisive government role or an investigative role that has a lead. If blink is town, this is a very good sign for us because blink is a good player. Also, having an outed power role lead town gives them a sense of direction in this flipless setup.

I believe the only scenario where scum!blinkskater would claim to be vigilante is if he caught Varcron or Banana softclaiming vigilante through breadcrumbs. I’m too lazy to check both players’ ISOs to confirm this, but I will say right now that I think Varcron is more likely to have breadcrumbed. It’s just a gut feeling I have.

**If someone can check if Banana or Varcron breadcrumbed being a vigilante, that would be amazing.

i haven't seen any crumbs in my reread. i'm at page 15.

[theoneceko]

**If someone can check if Banana or Varcron breadcrumbed being a vigilante, that would be amazing.

@S-FM Magoroth this is your job. You’re apparently still catching up, and this will help make up for your scummy behavior this game.

You might ask how you were scummy this game. I will answer that question right now by providing two examples:

1. You said you would vote me “multiple times” but have gone after LHF, such as Yuesford and Light.
2. You said you would vote Stealth at the beginning of day 2, but voted ZZorange instead. Your vote is still on ZZorange. In other words, you’re not putting your votes where your mouth is.

I think both examples show that you’re a scum who is hesitant to attack two town players who post a lot and therefore tend to be townread more.

[theoneceko]

i haven't seen any crumbs in my reread. i'm at page 15.

Ignore my post where I just called you scum. Please let me know if you find more breadcrumbs lol

[S-FM Magoroth]

I can answer why I said I'd vote you but didn't. I thought we were playing with a hammer, but since Mike is the best host ever, I shouldn't feel bad about placing my vote. I would have voted you at that time.

As of right now, you're in the middle, but I have to reread my notes once I finish. I'm really documenting who trusted/scum read who when, and seeing if I can find odd jumps. You and Wrath are EXTREMELY consistent.

[Light_Yagami]

I do feel better about Yuesford at the moment and less good about Yagami.

My poe order looking like this Martin>>Ren>> Mag/Funny

I See How You Are..

[Light_Yagami]

At least a lynch today and a kill or two tonight will help narrow things down

Should We Skip Since ZZOrange Was Mod Killed?

[S-FM Magoroth]

Should We Skip Since ZZOrange Was Mod Killed?

nah. the game's fair now. the real Daily Mafia setup is played with 1 less citizen, but MM thinks that's going to make a night/day difference.

[Funny Thing]

aight

[theoneceko]

I can answer why I said I'd vote you but didn't. I thought we were playing with a hammer, but since Mike is the best host ever, I shouldn't feel bad about placing my vote. I would have voted you at that time.

As of right now, you're in the middle, but I have to reread my notes once I finish. I'm really documenting who trusted/scum read who when, and seeing if I can find odd jumps. You and Wrath are EXTREMELY consistent.

What are you talking about? We're the least consistent players in this game.

[Renegade]

There is no need for the nerfed medic, assuming they’re still alive, to confirm this.

100% agree nerfed medic shouldn't say a word.

[Light_Yagami]

Why Are We Talking About TP Roles? Its Kinda Suspicious. Clearly No Power Role Should Reveal Unless Absolutely Necessary..

Such As If Cop Finds Scum.. That Information Is Required Swiftly

[Light_Yagami]

-vote WrathCyber

This Is A Pressure Vote To See If This Player Contributes More.

[Light_Yagami]

Also, @S-FM Magoroth Any Notions About The Game Thus Far?

[S-FM Magoroth]

Yeah, I'm writing up my day 1 results here and putting together a wall before rereading day 2.

[S-FM Magoroth]

\/ TOWN \/
Blink
- TRs vacaron, very few people have actually come out to say that
- Advocate for PL

Light
- People say he's town, but my eyes bleed over what he says. Hoping mafia kills him so I don't have to figure the slot out

SB16
- TRs vacaron, very few people have actually come out to say that
- Mind melds with me on Ceko’s play
- Agrees with Banana over Ceko’s play
- Teamy vibes with ceko
- Mind melds some with BC
- Really tries to protect light

Ceko
- Did not like the bit about being forcibly sheepish to get reads
- Super consistent player
- Super afraid of votes (got scared of a train within 7 minutes, wtf)
- Teamy vibes with sb16
- A lot of initial reads are based on inactivity

Wrath
- Also very consistent
- Didn’t really want to move from his votes
- Doesn’t read too closely
- Buddies with zzorange and yuesford
- I think this is a scum slip
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post932991

Renegade
- Plays this game the way I would, at least when it comes to mechanics and fundamentals
- Too few reads for my liking. Voted for Yuesford and SR Auwt. Trusts light. Nothing else in day 1

Martin
- I didn’t comment on him at all during my reads. Not posting much content

Yuesford
- Reason for switching on Ceko was Ceko defense of light
- It’s weak, but maybe yuesford is a weak player
- Forgets SR on banana ans SB
- Tunneling is pretty bad

FunnyThing
- Really strong opening inviting people to check him
- Followed ceko here without much explanation
/\ scum /\

Banana
- Doesn’t agree with vacaron over cheek’s play
- If scum, not with Wrath
- Not scum with Wrath (maybe bussing)
- I don’t think Wrath is scum
- Voting for Aunt was fake, but can’t really ask him anymore

Dead
- Auwt - town
- BC - town? Seems to have started SR SB after I did, and didn’t give many reads


**Other thoughts**
I don't think Blink actually killed Banana. I think there is going to be 2 kills tomorrow and Blink's going to claim it.

[S-FM Magoroth]

I'll post my unredacted notes in a sec, but the formatting might suck. At work.

[S-FM Magoroth]

I have links to all of these reads/statements/votes. ask if you want them.

Spoiler : other people's reads on each other :

Ceko
1. version
- sb/banana scum team
- backs away from it
- TR light
2. version
- SR light, TR BC
- SR Funny Thing
- SB/Yuesford not a scum team
- SR WrathCyber
3. version
- Definitive reads list
- SR wrath
- SR & vote auwt
4. version
- definitive reads list
- banana no longer TR
- zzorange town
- magoroth town
- martin town
5. version
- meta TR read yuesford
- votes Martin
6. version
- definitive reads list
7. version
- definitive reads list
Wrath
1. version
- banana scum lean
2. version
- banana not scum, ceko scum
- SR martin, stealth
- definitive reads
- TR Auwt
- SR Mag
- TR SB
3. version
- TL ceko

Martin
1. version
- BC good, Wrath scum
- TR Ceko
- Wrath/Ceko not scum pairing
- TR Light
- vote Auwt

Yuesford
1. version
- SR Light
- SR BC
- TR ceko
- SR Stealth
2. version
- SR ceko
- SR Renegade

Stealthbomber16
1. version
- scum read ceko
- TR BC
- TR Light
2. version
1. TR ceko
2. SR Wrath
3. version
- unvotes Wrath
- TR Vacaron
- SR Auwt
- SR Yuesford
4. version
- no SR Auwt
Light
1. version
- TR FunnyThing
- SR Yuesford
- slight SR SB
- SR zzorange

FT
1. version
- SR Yuesford
- SR Auwt
2. version
1. no SR on Yuesford
2. SR zzorange
3. SR Auwt

Renegade
1. version
- votes Yuesford
- Town Points Light
- SR Auwt

Blink
1. version
- votes Light
- SR Light && votes zzorange
2. version
- null light
- TR Vacaron
- votes martingg
- TR SB16
- votes Yuesford
- TL Auwt
3. version
- SR SB
- Martin and Yagami are not both scum
- TR Light
Auwt
1. version
- votes Light
- TRs Yuesford, Wrath, ZZorange, SR ceko, FT
- SR Light

BC
1. version
- no reads
2. version
- votes WrathCyber
- SR Auwt
- TR Ceko
- TR Light
- SR SB

Vacaron
1. version
- scum read ceko
- scum read Yuesford
- TR light, TR BC, TR ren
- slight TR martin
- scum read zzorange
- slight SR Light
- SR Auwt
2. version
- definitive reads list

Spoiler : my day 1 notes :

- Renegade - super not down for skipping.
- Vacaron agrees ^^
- ceko really trusts light out of the gate
- If banana is scum, ceko is likely not scum with banana
- Ren defends banana, but for a good reason (viewing thread is not scum)
- Ren is not interested in RVS
- FunnyThing doesn't get d1 trolling
- Banana starts interacting with people
- Wrath trolls Banana
- Wrath says needs to wait for d2 for solid town reads
- Ceko validation
- Sb and Wrath picks up on ceko's validation
- explanation of ceko's play
- super afraid of votes still
- Banana promises to be good
- I would have worded this as "I promise I'm good"
- Vacaron doesn't like ceko's explanation
- SB talks about mod knowledge, then not applying.* I'd expect him to be experienced enough not to talk about this
- Doesn't seem like Wrath reads.
- BC didn't SR banana, he TRed him.
- People start TRing light
- BC does not think ceko's anger is forced, disagrees with vacaron
- seconded by SB
- sb is mind melding with BC, but I guess that doesn't mean they're necessarily scum together, or maybe they're scum together all 3
- Yuesford defends ceko, another mind meld
- Ceko does well with probabilty.* Need to see if ceko and blink are aligned later on.
- Votes start to go on yuesford
- started by vacaron
- FT and Renegade follow on
- honestly, scum points for yuesford here
- Yuesford is like a small stupid troll.* nothing really intelligent coming out of this slot.
- I guess this is what SB was talking about
- SB says yuesford isn't trying to play the game.* I don't see it yet
- Ceko gives their opinion on Yuesford/SB16
- seems to be primarily based on sb's hatred of yuesford's ban
- teamy teamy sb16/ceko
- Banana tries to get something started on Wrath
- detracts from yuesford/light
- no reason though
- SB doesn't expect this.* And since Wrath is my TR here, this is a mind meld
- I think this is a major Wrath slip.
- SRs Banana, but says BC is sheeping and sleeping, a common TOWN thing to do
- Ceko gives a reads list.
- some of this stuff isn't good
- a lot of scum reading for "inactivity
- auwt, mag, martin
- says vacaron is scummy
- SB agreeing with ceko's wall post is kinda flimsy
- teamy teamy sb16/ceko
- SB trusts light for some sort of hidden scum read
- Blink goes opposite to this
- Martin and Auwt show up
- Blink doesn't want to lynch wrath, but wants to policy lynch instead
- Auwt's first posts are pretty bad.* Doesn't take it seriously at all.
- also agrees with zzorange's "d1 is stupid".* lets see if there's anything else useful out of him
- Martin could be tired
- Blink and light respond to zzorange's posts
- Auwt and Blink disagree over zzorange's interpretation
- Blink crumbs vigi on zzorange, but doesn't shoot
- Stealth unvotes wrath and i think will eventually move to another train
- FunnnyThing follows ceko, but doesn't say why
- funny thing is in ceko's town reads list
- this is a follow
- Why doesn't wrath pick up on this sheep and sleep shit?
- Ceko is super consistent
- Yuesford kind of forgets that he SR banana and SB
- zzorange pops in at the same time as yuesford
- wrath definitely buddying with zz and yuesford
- Vacaron also picks up on the fact that yuesford is naming too many scums
- Ceko votes Auwt, other scum read, doesn't like Yuesford
- this could also be
- Wrath is super consistent with his reads
- Martin is super consistent
- but he knows how to play mafia
- I advocate for a coallescing, and that kinda starts to get zzorange off the table
- FunnyThing votes for Auwt
- too many scum here
- SB and BC pile on Auwt
- SB16 says Yuesford is scummy for derailing.* I don't think he did that
- Banana agrees with my take on Sb's vote on Yuesford
- Renegade voices vote on auwt
- More talk on Auwt and Yuesford
- Blink likes Yuesford bc he's following his TRs
- Auwt starts talking
- SB starts to look scum read by bc/blink
- not for a very good reason though
- Wrath defends Yuesford, zzorange
- super consistent
- Wrath begs Banana
- if Wrath ends up being scum, Banana was his partner
- Another consistent wrath post
- Wrath says for zzorange/yuesford voters to get off
- wrath doesn't read apparently
- Ceko town reads Wrath for this
- Banana finds Ceko read funny funny
- Banana votes Auwt
- Auwt was already a scum read, so this reasoning is fake
- SB really protects light here
-


FunnyThing
- some thing about inviting people to check him.* a really big confidence passing a 1v1
StealthBomber
- weird thoughts about BC voting wrath
- gets off of town zzorange
Renegade
- vacaron mind melded with him early game
- weird apology from someone who said "fuck you" to them
Light
Ceko
- ceko looks for validation of his town read on light
- ceko gets scared within 7 minutes of a 2 vote(?) train on him
- ceko votes for my top town
- ceko explains wrath vote
- but then switches to Auwt after a nothing comment?* That's FREAKING weird
- vacaron dittos this
- ceko says stuff about his own meta
- I kinda like it, but i'm not melding with blink
- ceko is hunting TPRs
Yuesford
- Yuesford kind of forgets that he SR banana and SB
- picks 3 new people as possible scum reads
- zzorange might have been skyping with light
WrathCyber
- same thoughts on ceko as i did
- Wrath's response to BC is bad
- also the slip
- this feels towny
- no one defends wrath
- hunting TPR
- honest defense of Yuesford
- contradictory agreement of vacaron's read
- Wrath's lead
- contradicting agreeing

i have links for all but 1

Spoiler : not scum pairings :

Not scum pairings
Banana && ceko
SB && Light
- Hard to fake anti political between 2 scum mates.* maybe not.
Wrath && ceko
sb16 && ceko
Funny Thing && ceko
- FT mispelling name, thinks ceko is trippin
Renegade && Yuesford
- idk, maybe
- definite train building here
Yuesford && FT
- calling your scum partner a fool, someone you know? interesting play if they're actually scum scum
Blink && ceko
this seems super genuine to me.
Wrath && Ceko
needless for ceko to stop the SAS
Wrath && Martin
Banana && Auwt
Banana && Wrath

[S-FM Magoroth]

Questions I have yet to answer
- Why is BC scum, and/or who planted that idea
- Did Light OMGUS? Or was there a reason Light voted for Yuesford?
- Wrath, can you respond to this post? why did you back off of ceeko so quick?
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post932973
- FT, why did you start to vote Auwt?
- I didn't understand Auwt's best post
- Ceko never answered why they thought Light's answer was good.
- Post 1
- Post 2
- Post 3
- When did Wrath start trusting Auwt?
- starting post

[S-FM Magoroth]

Sorry guys, i'm doing a shit job at playing this game. I took 5ever to get my reads down and its EoD 2 and i'm just fucking behind.

[S-FM Magoroth]

Based off my reads of day 1, I'd plop my vote on martin or funnything. my town leans/reads are on that.

-vote funny thing

[Stealthbomber16]

Yeah I don’t think you’re scum anymore

[Stealthbomber16]

I’d rather stay on Martin but I’ll follow the momentum here.

-vote Funny Thing