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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I said assume because we don't have to think it's true, just to use the possibility of its truth as a basis. I guess if we don't believe in it, we're believing we're doing something utterly useless though lol.
    All our well-founded scientific theories can be taken as assumptions of convenience by the same rationale. That removes any kind of belief from science, if you see things that way
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  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    The religious folks always love to counter that atheism is a religion in and of itself, it is always funny.
    I don't know if it's just that they do that to try to frame atheism in a way that they can relate to/understand, or if it's just a blatant ignorant misunderstanding of what atheism actually is. Or a bit of both? I don't get it man. Even back when I was religious I don't remember viewing atheism this way.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  5. #105

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    Religion inherently is accompanied by a series of beliefs and values that come with the religion- including but not limited to belief in a god.

    If you classify belief in a religion solely as belief in a god… I could see why you could consider atheism a religion. But that’s not what religion is. You’re not only believing in a god, you are believing in the values that the religion teaches. Atheism can’t be considered a religion is you believe in the values of the religion because atheism doesn’t have any inherent values.

    So I guess… if you think atheism is a religion… that makes you bad at being religious?
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  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    you are believing in the values that the religion teaches.
    Too bad most religious arguments are made in direct conflict with the values the religious person supposedly follows
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
    @Marshmallow Marshall , using the definition of religion, please argue in what way atheism is a religion and/or has doctrine
    Saying atheism is a religion is plain wrong lol, but it does have potential dogmatism in common with religion ("EVERYONE should be atheist, and showing that you are religious should be illegal!").

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctrine
    Doctrine: a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief

    Gnostic atheism has a doctrine: Gods cannot exist, because there is no scientific evidence of their existence, etc.


    Also, I feel like I should clarify something: I'm not "religious"! I'm an agnostic theist (and don't necessarily believe whatever "god" is even has a consciousness by itself). So no renegade lol I'm not trying to preach you down!
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  8. #108

    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Saying atheism is a religion is plain wrong lol, but it does have potential dogmatism in common with religion ("EVERYONE should be atheist, and showing that you are religious should be illegal!").

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctrine
    Doctrine: a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief

    Gnostic atheism has a doctrine: Gods cannot exist, because there is no scientific evidence of their existence, etc.


    Also, I feel like I should clarify something: I'm not "religious"! I'm an agnostic theist (and don't necessarily believe whatever "god" is even has a consciousness by itself). So no renegade lol I'm not trying to preach you down!
    i have never heard an atheist say that.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  9. #109

    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Saying atheism is a religion is plain wrong lol, but it does have potential dogmatism in common with religion ("EVERYONE should be atheist, and showing that you are religious should be illegal!").

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/doctrine
    Doctrine: a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief

    Gnostic atheism has a doctrine: Gods cannot exist, because there is no scientific evidence of their existence, etc.


    Also, I feel like I should clarify something: I'm not "religious"! I'm an agnostic theist (and don't necessarily believe whatever "god" is even has a consciousness by itself). So no renegade lol I'm not trying to preach you down!
    Yeah no, this isn't a thing. If anything, atheists are more likely to be believers in actual freedom of belief/religion (and freedom FROM religion) and proponents of separation of religion and state. But being atheist means you can believe/push anything you want! Or don't want! You can try to convince people that their religion is dumb or you can just not give a shit - there's no rules to atheism, no message, no teachings and no way to live. Atheism doesn't care how you live your life in any way. Honestly, most atheists couldn't give a damn what you believe as long as you allow them to live with disbelief in peace.

    Still wrong!! "I don't believe in gods" is not a principle or position in a branch of knowledge or a system of belief! Non belief is not a system of belief in anything! And the only branch of knowledge that can be involved is scientific knowledge... Which if anything would be scientific doctrine not atheist doctrine lmao. Using scientific facts in arguments is scientific knowledge, not atheist knowledge. There is no atheist knowledge. There is no atheist system of belief. No atheist teachings. No atheist doctrine!

    If you ask someone why they are Christian, they'll give you a laundry list of Christian teachings that they build and base their faith and belief on. Christian doctrine. Christian teachings. If you ask an atheist why they are atheist, the answers can vary and there aren't any atheist teachings that brought them to that conclusion! Because atheism doesn't have teachings! Doesn't have principles or beliefs or stances on anything. Which is why "atheist doctrine" is a misunderstanding of what atheism is!
    Last edited by BananaCucho; June 18th, 2021 at 09:56 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  10. #110

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    yea, like a lot of atheists oline are like, RELIGION IS CRINGE

    but i don't think they role force their beliefs on others outside of that
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

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  12. #112

    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    hmm, maybe non=belief is a better way to describe my views? uwu

    yea, it actually is xD
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  13. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    hmm, maybe non=belief is a better way to describe my views? uwu

    yea, it actually is xD
    Yeah man don't let these believers make you think that your non-belief is somehow equal to or on the same level of their belief. Non-belief does not require the faith nor irrationality that belief does. Of all the beliefs and religions that exist, the probability of their one god (or gods) existing while all others don't is not equal to the probability that no gods exist lol. Not even close.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  14. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
    @Marshmallow Marshall , using the definition of religion, please argue in what way atheism is a religion and/or has doctrine
    Not everyone makes atheism into a religion, but some do.
    Like Richard Dawkins.
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  16. #116

    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i have never heard an atheist say that.
    I think there are actually people who say that in the francosphere tho. (I can't tell for sure because they're all speaking french) France has been edging towards banning hijabs in public for a long time in the name of "secularism". They take their secularism very far over there. So mm isnt pulling it out his ass when he says it like an american evangelical is
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    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  17. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i have never heard an atheist say that.
    Then you’re not listening closely enough. One of my friends IRL is like this. And there’s plenty more
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  18. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    How did Dawkins make it into a religion? Explain.
    He says everyone who is religious is basically a nutbag and campaigns heavily in favoyr banning religion in the name of ‘science’. He basically misunderstands the point of religion (like a typical fundamentalist, since all fundamentalists think that science and religion are incompatible with one another.
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  19. #119

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i have never heard an atheist say that.
    I have
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  20. #120

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    Something I really dislike about debating religion is the concept of 'faith'. Yes its a thing but all too often I see it used to justify and regurgitate something the individuals power structure has pushed on them. Like 2 weeks ago I got into the whole "Is the Bible the infallible word of God" conversation with a guy and walked him one by one through these versus on Gods Face:

    Genisis 32:30 Seeing Gods face = Preservation of life
    Exedus 33:20 No man will see God and Live
    Genisis 32:30 Jacob saw Gods Face
    Genisis 12:7 Abraham saw Gods Face
    Exedus 33:11 Moses saw Gods Face
    John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time
    Exedus 24: 9-11 The 70 Elders saw Gods face
    1 Timothy 6:16 No man has or can see God

    Obvious and direct contradictions which reflect they can not all be true but it was like the cogs in his head stopped turning for a while then he just dismissed it all and cut back to "I have faith that the Bible is the infallible word of God" because thats what preachers have been telling him. This also runs into an issue I take that preachers always seem to start 'speaking for God' or declaring things they can not possibly know as if they are facts instead of teaching within their own ignorance but thats another subject..

    That said- I have some degree of faith but it is not of that sort and that is not why I made the arguments that I did. A lot of the arguments here deal more with linguistic and semiotic meaning pivoting on semantics and categorization which.. Is kind of pointless (to include my own in that line)

    As I see it there is a hard difference between the Connotation and Denotation of the category 'Atheists' which has become the center of a debate. I personally do not see the broadening of the category of Atheists to include Agnostic beliefs simply because the term itself retains its stance without tacking on the sub-category of Atheism but when I started reading the historical development of Atheism I quickly came to the conclusion that I just do not care enough about the subject to continue. It is of note that it looks like it came out of Samkhya (an Indian philosophy that rejects the idea of God) suggesting that the agnostic bit was a later addition. I also got a chuckle finding out theres like.. Jewish and Christian sects of atheism now? Kinda seems like someone is reeeeeaaaally trying to expand influence pool there..

    But anyways, the fact so many people here see a direct connotation of the category Atheism as a disbelief (rather than lack of belief) in God reflects the difference in categorization relating more toward its use between in groups and out groups of Atheists. Maybe the denotation is technically different but I am torn between calling that ignorance on behalf of its use and that the denotation is itself just contrived to justify inclusion of a larger pool of people for a power structure as opposed to conveying information because as I said, there is no reason to create a 'Agnostic Atheist" category to convey your beliefs when simply calling yourself agnostic conveys your beliefs more clearly and with less symbols (words.)

    At the end of the day though, Does it really matter? Words convey meaning and debating the meaning of a category is less productive than simply cutting the category out and expressing the meaning. I agree with Bannana that "Agnostic Atheism" has no belief but I also don't think thats how I will ever use the word/category of 'Atheism.' In my personal life I have never met a person who identified as an atheist and described their belief as agnostic. Those who did hold such a position identified as agnostic and not as an atheist at all. Maybe its a cultural thing in America and the places I have traveled internationally but when someone identifies as Atheist (in my personal experience) its a hard line belief that God does not exist. If they say "I don't believe in a god, but hey who knows really" they declare as agnostic.

    A part of me also questions if the expansion to include agnostics under atheism (or the new religious atheism stuff thats...?) may be just an effort to grow the population of the group and increase the reach of the power structures that use the group to personal ends. But thats just the cynical side of me that sees no logical reason for the action while seeing substantial gain from such an action by any power structure within the group.
    Last edited by Helz; June 19th, 2021 at 09:42 AM.

  21. #121

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    @Helz atheism, agnostic, agnostic atheism really are all just labels in the end that people use to easily describe themselves. Which is really my whole point; atheism isn't a religion like Christianity, Judaism, etc are in that it's exactly that: a label and not a belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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  23. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I have
    Man you guys have way different experiences than I have lmao. Then again most of the atheists I know are post Mormon atheists which may have a bit to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    He says everyone who is religious is basically a nutbag and campaigns heavily in favoyr banning religion in the name of ‘science’. He basically misunderstands the point of religion (like a typical fundamentalist, since all fundamentalists think that science and religion are incompatible with one another.
    I mean why is religion supposed to be above criticism? Of course he says it a lot more eloquently than you put it, but criticizing a religion is hardly making atheism a religion in and of itself.

    You should provide a source for this. Dawkins has heavily criticized religion and have spoken in hypotheticals about things like a world without religion, but I don't ever recall him actually advocating for a religion ban. Please cite this claim. Thanks.

    Even if he truly misunderstood religion as you state, I don't see how anything he has said has "turned atheism into a religion". It kinda sounds like he has annoyed you a bit but that doesn't justify the claim.
    Last edited by BananaCucho; June 19th, 2021 at 09:59 AM.
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  24. #124

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    I think both are just labels.

    If you go church to church totally different belief systems can be taught. The thing I was referencing earlier is that atheism has similar parallels with religion in many ways. I kinda feel like we are talking past etchother here and our points are not mutually exclusive, we are just diving into the holy shit mess that is language and categorization.

    I also do not feel like I will ever be inclined to differentiate agnostic from gnostic under the umbrella of atheism. When I use the word/symbol atheism in a conversation with the people I am around we mutually understand a meaning that totally excludes agnostic beliefs while if I want to talk about agnostic beliefs I simply use that word/symbol agnostic while excluding the word/symbol atheism because it would confuse people.

    Languages are living things that evolve with their use and are not set in stone as dictionary's would attempt to do. Different dialects exist within most big languages and words meaning changes depending on where you live. You could draw out plenty of such differences between America and England's use of English in both words as well as spelling.

    Imagine this same conversation along those terms. If I was America arguing a Boot is a shoe and you were England arguing it should also include the trunk of your car there is a difference in how the symbol is used -but- neither side is wrong. The productive thing to do would be for each side to acknowledge the opposing sides use and share information through symbols accordingly. The unproductive thing may be to argue about the meaning of the word (as we have done here.)

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  26. #126

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    A bit off topic but I was working on the house and rolling some stuff around in my head and came up with this off topic and totally unsubstantiated
    Spoiler : atheist conspiracy theory: :

    So I was thinking about power structures behind groups and how they push growth of their group because it expands their power. Then I thought about Atheism and the categories included. It occurred to me if you had the belief 'There is no God' you pretty much have a very specific pool of the population that would be included in such a group. This greatly limits group growth and therefore- the growth of your power structure. So how do you grow?

    Expand the belief pool. If Atheism were able to swallow agnostic's it can hit a much wider pool of the population. But after that how do you grow? You have excluded a huge portion of the population which is every person who holds a religious belief.. Well, now that you have swallowed Agnostics you can include any religious person who also adds the "But who really knows" at the end of it.

    Such an evolution of an organization matches up what little I have looked at and satisfies my cynical outlook on power structures.


    Like I said.. Totally unsubstantiated assumptions and pretty off topic but I might not be wrong given that it does explain the direction of growth while establishing motive..

    -edit

    I wonder if religions will ever attempt to include gnostic individuals to expand their power group
    Last edited by Helz; June 19th, 2021 at 10:46 AM.

  27. #127

    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    apo isn't atheist.

    however, she won't bow a head down to a tyrant just because that's a normalcy enforced through peer pressure. (just referring to a number of common religions)

    religion is a double edged sword. yes, it can help encourage some known societal 'morals' such as being kind to others, builds a type of community, and so on.
    but, then it also needlessly and heavily discriminates against a mass of other morally right values. many religions become an entrapment through the use of 'tradition' and 'excommunication' (multiple different forms ranging from simply not being apart of the community anymore to complete banishment) just for not believing in those same morals

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  28. #128

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I think there are actually people who say that in the francosphere tho. (I can't tell for sure because they're all speaking french) France has been edging towards banning hijabs in public for a long time in the name of "secularism". They take their secularism very far over there. So mm isnt pulling it out his ass when he says it like an american evangelical is
    Somebody around actually knows that! xD

    Ever since a crazy Muslim literally decapitated a teacher in France for talking about Muhammad in a way he didn't like or something like that, there's... a lot of tension, let's say. It absolutely isn't a non-existant mentality. I'm a bit surprised it seems foreign to some people.

    @ helz wallpost: Same experience about people describing themselves as agnostic first and foremost, not as atheists when it's what they actually mean. Didn't expect to face disagreements about that, honestly.
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  29. #129

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Ever since a crazy Muslim literally decapitated a teacher in France for talking about Muhammad in a way he didn't like or something like that, there's... a lot of tension, let's say.
    I mean, stuff like that is what the Qur'an kinda tells to do. Why would a thing like that make more of an impact than let's say the November 2015 Paris attacks?
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    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  30. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Somebody around actually knows that! xD

    Ever since a crazy Muslim literally decapitated a teacher in France for talking about Muhammad in a way he didn't like or something like that, there's... a lot of tension, let's say. It absolutely isn't a non-existant mentality. I'm a bit surprised it seems foreign to some people.

    @ helz wallpost: Same experience about people describing themselves as agnostic first and foremost, not as atheists when it's what they actually mean. Didn't expect to face disagreements about that, honestly.
    I've of course seen people be extremely anti-religion, but I've never heard anyone oppose religious expression here in the UK ("showing your religion should be illegal"), so my experience is like ceko and banana's.

    I also generally hear the word agnostic used that way, and respect people don't have to use words the way a dictionary tells them to. I apologize if I gave a different impression due to my pedantic interjections lol
    Last edited by yzb25; June 19th, 2021 at 04:09 PM.
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  31. #131

    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    A bit off topic but I was working on the house and rolling some stuff around in my head and came up with this off topic and totally unsubstantiated
    Spoiler : atheist conspiracy theory: :

    So I was thinking about power structures behind groups and how they push growth of their group because it expands their power. Then I thought about Atheism and the categories included. It occurred to me if you had the belief 'There is no God' you pretty much have a very specific pool of the population that would be included in such a group. This greatly limits group growth and therefore- the growth of your power structure. So how do you grow?

    Expand the belief pool. If Atheism were able to swallow agnostic's it can hit a much wider pool of the population. But after that how do you grow? You have excluded a huge portion of the population which is every person who holds a religious belief.. Well, now that you have swallowed Agnostics you can include any religious person who also adds the "But who really knows" at the end of it.

    Such an evolution of an organization matches up what little I have looked at and satisfies my cynical outlook on power structures.


    Like I said.. Totally unsubstantiated assumptions and pretty off topic but I might not be wrong given that it does explain the direction of growth while establishing motive..

    -edit

    I wonder if religions will ever attempt to include gnostic individuals to expand their power group
    I don't really see that. I think if anything atheists are likely to feel superior and smug and form exclusive cliques like you get with (some) feminists. I think that's reflected in the rhetoric. Marketable atheists that make lots of money through their atheism are "intellectuals" and edgy and non-mainstream. While modern christians are gentle, polite and as innoffensive as humanly possible (I'm thinking of the pope). That's the behaviour of a group trying expand... or at least stop contracting.

    Jewish atheists are a thing because jewishness is also like an ethnicity, afaik. Even if you don't really subscribe to the religious views you can still be closely affiliated with the community and be "ethnically jewish". This christian atheism thing is pretty wild tho. I had no idea this existed and i've got a big shit eating grin on my face now

  32. #132

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    In the Netherlands, 42% of the members of the Protestant Church in the Netherlands (PKN) are nontheists. [...] A minister of the PKN, Klaas Hendrikse has described God as "a word for experience, or human experience" and said that Jesus may have never existed. Hendrikse gained attention with his book published in November 2007 in which he said that it was not necessary to believe in God's existence in order to believe in God.

    from wikipedia XD
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    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  33. #133

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    I feel like this conversation got a bit derailed when we started talking about power structures. Sorry, but I just don’t see what power structures have to do with anything. It’s also a bit meh to look for ‘power structures’ everywhere, IMO. I feel like you could apply that concept to pretty much every influential group in history lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
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    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
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    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
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    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

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    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I feel like this conversation got a bit derailed when we started talking about power structures. Sorry, but I just don’t see what power structures have to do with anything. It’s also a bit meh to look for ‘power structures’ everywhere, IMO. I feel like you could apply that concept to pretty much every influential group in history lol.
    Pretty sure that was me. Someone said something about if religions didn't exist and I rambled about how if religion did not exist a number of other power and social structures would take its place that follows many of the same patterns religions do at heart..

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    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Speaking of religion not existing, has anyone seen The Invention of Lying? Pretty funny take on what the world would be like if nobody could lie except for the one person who figured out how to do it
    That was a pretty funny film. If you like the concept of that humor theres a youtuber named Ryan George that has tons of content along the same lines. It kinda makes me understand how weird the stuff we consider normal really is when put in context of being seen by someone who is alien to it.

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    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    In the Netherlands, 42% of the members of the Protestant Church in the Netherlands (PKN) are nontheists. [...] A minister of the PKN, Klaas Hendrikse has described God as "a word for experience, or human experience" and said that Jesus may have never existed. Hendrikse gained attention with his book published in November 2007 in which he said that it was not necessary to believe in God's existence in order to believe in God.

    from wikipedia XD
    Lololol
    Everyone is Protestant then
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I feel like this conversation got a bit derailed when we started talking about power structures. Sorry, but I just don’t see what power structures have to do with anything. It’s also a bit meh to look for ‘power structures’ everywhere, IMO. I feel like you could apply that concept to pretty much every influential group in history lol.
    It wasn't the point of the thread, but I don't really mind. As for looking for power structures everywhere, that's called analyzing society. Indeed, you could apply that concept to pretty much every influential group in history... and you should! They are the generators of the forces moving society through the ages. It's absolutely relevant to anything that relates to society.
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    Re: Ye atheists by name, lend an ear, lend an ear

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I mean, stuff like that is what the Qur'an kinda tells to do. Why would a thing like that make more of an impact than let's say the November 2015 Paris attacks?
    Of course, those attacks still have an impact even today, and you can still see people wearing or having as a profile picture "JE SUIS CHARLIE", "I am Charlie [an attacked magazine that became the symbol of free speech back then]". But the decapitation left a strong effect and led Macron to force the creation of a "Council of Imams": https://www.leconseildesimamsdefrance.org/ (and by the way, the first thing you see on that page is the Council saying they disagree with the murder lol). Some schools of Islam were judged too radical and especially "anti-republican" (i.e. anti-democratic), and were denied the entry to that council. I'm not sure what happened with them, but they certainly aren't tolerated much.
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    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
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    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
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    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
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    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

 

 

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