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  1. ISO #201

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

    I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize that as caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it, as opposed to killing it. There should be no need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.
    Last edited by Space Milk; March 20th, 2022 at 10:31 PM.

  2. ISO #202

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Space Milk View Post
    Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

    I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize your place as unpaid, unknown caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - and then see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it. You don't need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.
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  3. ISO #203

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Space Milk View Post
    Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

    I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize your place as unpaid, unknown caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - and then see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it. You don't need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.
    I am pretty sure I was just in the lobby you were referring to when you posted this, and the only problematic player from that lobby was FrankZappa. if you've played any number of games with him you would not be surprised to find out that he is indeed in that toxic 2% mentioned in the stats.

    Your posts and the fact that you necro'd this thread reads like you're just trying to stir shit, and so you've already been infracted once accordingly.

    As I mentioned to you in PMs:

    If that wasn't your intent and you do genuinely care
    If that wasn't your intent and you do genuinely think the methodology is lacking and have suggestions for how to improve it
    If that wasn't your intent and you have a set of replays that are more recent that you would like analyzed
    If that wasn't your intent and you have the technical proficiency to help improve the script and would like to help

    If it's any of those things, then message me on Discord and I'd be happy to talk to you more about them (Lag#0773)

    But otherwise I have no choice but to take your posts and actions on face-value and assume you're just trying to stir shit.

    I did just play a game with you though in the Arcade, and you seemed nice enough, so maybe I should give you more benefit of the doubt? Look forward to hearing from you and getting your help and input on how to improve the community

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  6. ISO #206

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Space Milk View Post
    Virtually every lobby including the one I am playing in right now contains some problematic -ism that go unpassed because outside of one mod I see every now and then, you moderators do not play your own game. And furthermore, the players do not care enough to report. Like hell I'm going to help any of you and report it myself.

    I like this game. Frankly, my only bad experiences with this game were nearly 10 years ago when there was an overabundance of moderators who paid money for their position, then abused their privileges in lobbies. In fact that was part of the original reason why I even made this account in 2013, then stopped posting for nearly a decade. This game has been fine since I resumed around 2019 or so beyond slow lobbies. I seriously hope you all realize your place as unpaid, unknown caretakers of a dying mod of a dying game - and then see the value in protecting and nurturing your creation, because it is fun and people like it. You don't need to make up a heroic grand narrative with a moral objective that is impossible to fulfill. If moral fulfillment is what you really want in your life, there are better vectors for that than StarCraft 2.
    Over the last 10 years I have had a very good understanding of how people got where they were. If you have any real reason to think someone got where they were by paying feel free to substantiate it.

    I do get your point on over moderation although I also do not agree with how you applied it. I have a very personal understanding of how it feels when bad moderators label you as hateful but a lot of it comes down to the 'why.' When its the community saying they do not want to deal with pedo/racist role play and people are arguing its just part of the game it is very different than moderators enforcing their world view or framing people as hateful out of context.

    At the end of the day from a utilitarianist perspective moderation is about creating an environment for people to have fun in. When the majority of players have an issue with a small groups behavior that small group should get moderated. That has nothing to do with the personal openions of the moderators.

    In my experience with shitty communities when moderators go on power trips you can identify patterns of them saying 1 thing to the community and doing something totally different in action. And taking extreme liberty's with how rules are interpreted while working to silence discussion about their actions.

    That said, I think you do genuinely care and have a legitimate complaint but you are absolutely going about it in the wrong way and on the wrong issues. I think you are somewhat getting dog piled here but you are also getting pigeon holed into supporting a pro-racist/sexist/nazi/pedo position. It may be good for you to clarify what your position is if it is not to allow for those extremes of speech.

  7. ISO #207

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    The most intrusive moderation during live gameplay is simply changing a name. Everything else is dealt with in the report section. Just FYI if you think the lack of live moderation = lol mods don't play.

    Beyond that, don't really see what you're crying over? Based on post history you like playing with nazis and being racist so I can only infer that you also don't like that you can now be reported for being racist?

  8. ISO #208

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Space Milk View Post
    There are virtually no new players, and those who do play are overwhelmingly open to black and disturbing humor, just look at Arcade General chat or the chat of any random lobby. SC2 is one of few unmoderated games left on the market, and it has cultivated a user base that reflects that - along with collecting "refugees" from other games that have become moderated. Stringent moderator action would actually drive away new players. If we were talking about Battlefield or Halo this would make sense.
    1 ) While there are not a lot of them, there are new players.

    2 ) No. It's just that the ones who are open to racism make so much noise.

    3 ) Indeed, Arcade General chat is open to racism, yet semi-controlled by Blizzard themselves, should you try to shout slurs there, and hopefully you will get silenced in the upcoming week.

    4 ) Some players are the problem, and that "some" refers to a minority of players. Lot of them have already been taken down, and while we cannot ensure there is absolutely no racism anymore, as far as I am aware, things are going much better than it used to be years before.

    5 ) And as a personal note, I am open to any new players, and usually those are not the ones causing problem and getting punished (apart from the Smurf accounts). In fact, a lot of the people causing troubles with their in-game behaviour are players who used to it for years and now cannot reform themselve on that matter.

    Apart from that, you stated in your next post the use of words that would not be detected by the bot.
    That's true some of them would not have been detected.
    However, what I can tell you, is that those words are almost exclusively used by the ones who are already recorded on other more "findable" words (like n-word and so on).
    So all in all, there certainly is a tiny missing sample, but the largest of them were caught by the bot.

    Please understand that applying punishment to those who misbehave harshly is only performed to make the game cleaner.
    No one can stand having a game with 5 to 6 players naming themselves/using slurs related to pedophilia, racism in any sort whatsoever.
    If you do, well then I have nothing to tell you anymore.
    I've myself been renaming several players lately, and warning them the same way.
    Should they go that way again, they would be punished accordingly, some abide and everything goes okay, some don't and well, you know the story.
    Just for your information, there are some players who are currently having more than 6 reports related to racism in less than a year, as well as being repeatedly told they should stop, and new reports may be flowing against them.
    Those are the ones to get rid of, and nobody should miss them
    It might be hard to reach a point where there is no more racism and any sort of hate speech, that's for sure, but we are all humans, and as this statement tells we should be able to respect each other.
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  9. ISO #209

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    I just responded because i find it great fun to be super sarcastic to obvious bigot defenders.

    Some random shows up here and accuses Lag of making up numbers for some narrative? Come on. This guy's not worth the time.

    With that being said, I actually challenge anyone to find an example here in SC2 that these well constructed logical posts actually convinced them to changed their mind.

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  11. ISO #211

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrMostache View Post
    Here are some recent mafia reviews.


    Mafia Reviews.png
    Those sentiments nigh on identical to my own negative impressions of when I started playing again. What made me come back instead of straight up leaving were the good games though.
    Sometimes you get games full of decent adults who're also good players. A joy all around.
    Sometimes you get games full of people whom you just don't want to be around whatsoever, but also the games themselves are bad (no trial for days and days, town lynching confirmed townies, mafia killing confirmed neutrals, you name it).
    I think the average behavior is in-between, pretty much where Lag showed it is. But the first impressions felt more extreme and it took a while to calibrate.
    Currently my main demotivator to join a game is the vast disparity between the average skills between different games. You get from Town just annihilating the opposition, where everyone solves and works together, to Town not voting nor uttering a word of inquisition for days until they become the minority. I find that -Mafia- games are more enjoyable when expectations and reality correlate well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  12. ISO #212

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Disclaimer: I'm a Forum Mafia admin, so I don't really touch the Arcade-related stuff (because it's not my job), but since this is on the forum, I'm allowing myself to step in a little bit.

    I'm gonna ditto Lag's call to use private channels for such talks, especially when it has been consistently asked for. This thread's very title doesn't strike me as "let's discuss how to improve the game", but rather as "let's berate staff", and you've been necroing it... Considering what I've seen from you, I think there is at least a part of you that is genuine in loving the game and wanting to improve it. But there's something very clear: this is not the right way to enact changes for the better and to improve the community. At best, nothing will happen, and at worst, drama will be stirred, which is detrimental to a fun environment.

    Apart from that, just during the last week, I have encountered three players on SC2 who spontaneously told me they didn't play Mafia because people were way too "toxic"/"racist"/"bitching". So while I do think some people would be annoyed by moderating slurs, the amount of people annoyed by the existence of such slurs turned away from the game seems to be much higher. Lag's statistics point towards this conclusion too.

    As for reports: they're useful. Not only do they eventually remove the culprits, they act as a deterrent. Saying reports do nothing after failing to report rulebreaking is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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  13. ISO #213

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrMostache View Post
    Here are some recent mafia reviews.


    Mafia Reviews.png
    What the hell? If the blame for the current state of this game can be pinned on one person, that person is You! Keep ignoring blatant racists that spam racial slurs in the first 5 seconds of the replays you review and focus instead on players you have personal vendettas against: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ive-Punishment

    The only thing you should be doing in this thread is apologizing for the state you've allowed this game to fall into.

  14. ISO #214

    Re: Do Admins actually play arcade?

    Quote Originally Posted by JagdPanther View Post
    What the hell? If the blame for the current state of this game can be pinned on one person, that person is You! Keep ignoring blatant racists that spam racial slurs in the first 5 seconds of the replays you review and focus instead on players you have personal vendettas against: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ive-Punishment

    The only thing you should be doing in this thread is apologizing for the state you've allowed this game to fall into.
    Hi Jagd, if you have an issue with a member of the staff and believe there has been an abuse of power, I will hear and address your case personally myself. You may either message me on Discord directly (Lag#0773, also in the Sc2Mafia server) or you may message me in PMs. I look forward to hearing from you.

    Anyway this thread has been necro'd and derailed several times now and should have been locked a while ago.

 

 

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