S-FM 328: Lazy (6P)

[OzyWho]

Setup

LagAttack - ISO \ Auwt - ISO
blinkskater - ISO
Oberon - ISO \ Frinckles - ISO
PQRnHack - ISO
theoneceko - ISO
Varcron - ISO

D1 \ D2 \ D3 \ EoG

[OzyWho]

S-FM Lazy (6P)


You just received a letter!

(Excited about what it could be you quickly go and open it)
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We have been informed by some of you that your entire department is being lazy.
We do not tolerate such behavior!
As of right now, you have one week to improve your productivity or all but the 2 honest of you will be fired. Their identity will remain anonymous, but rest assured that they share our disdain for laziness and will keep us up to date.

Sincerely,
CEO of The Firm.

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Day1

Setup

Living	Graveyard
@Varcron @LagAttack @theoneceko @Oberon @PQRnHack @blinkskater

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

3 votes to hammer.

[Lumi]

You just received a letter!

(Excited about what it could be you quickly go and open it)
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We have been informed by some of you that your entire department is being lazy.
We do not tolerate such behavior!
As of right now, you have one week to improve your productivity or all but the 2 honest of you will be fired. Their identity will remain anonymous, but rest assured that they share our disdain for laziness and will keep us up to date.

Sincerely,
CEO of The Firm.

lol, just noticed this last minute flavor added to the setup. Last minute flavor addition - truly in the spirit of this game.

[PQRnHack]

Lazy Town Mayor here. As a reminder, it's 3 votes to hammer today, so even one T-on-T vote could allow M+M to slaughter (but at least all eyes would be on them D2). The mayo asks town to hold off putting down random votes, so just stay lazy.

I will start with my tentative vote(s): KILL COLORED NAMES FIRST!
same as my earlier post #35

[PQRnHack]

Lazy @OzyWho did not colorize any names here as he did in the Signups thread.

[OzyWho]

Lazy @OzyWho did not colorize any names here as he did in the Signups thread.

Lies

[PQRnHack]

Lies

found the scum, reported for editing!

[Lumi]

Hello all.

Day 1, Post 1 solve right here.

Actually, game's solved before the game even starts: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post927878

We have a 50% winrate.

To put it more explicitly:

1. The sheriff openly claims
   
   • If someone counter claims then we thunder dome the two sheriff claims. This is great for town because if we guess right then our winrate shoots up to 75%. If we guess wrong then that's fine, our winrate is still at 50% - average winrate increases from 50% to 62.5%
   • Before we hammer either sheriff claim, that to-be-hammered sheriff should ORDER the players to be lynched next, and then town will follow out those orders.
     
     • A sheriff refusing to give an ordering is likely a scum just giving up since they know they'll be hammered so it doesn't matter
   • If the sheriff has reads, they can incorporate that into the ordering - if they are clueless, then just decide randomly.
     
     • THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT - because the scum are a coordinated team, it is critically important that our sheriff gives an ordering for who to lynch if a scum CC's AND the real sheriff is looking to be the one hammered in the event that a scum tries to (foolishly) CC them. The real sheriff's ordering is a source of trusted randomization
     • Obviously a fake sheriff would give a list too - do NOT let the list given by ANY sheriff sway you in the lynch process, as the scum sheriff has perfect information about the game and can make their list look appealing - the information should only be used in the event that the lynched player flips sheriff.
2. Sheriff leads town to victory. I don't care how bad you feel your reads are this game if you get sheriff - you can literally pick randomly and we still win half the time. It's just important that you actually do lead to prevent scum from manipulating town.
   
   • And in the event that the sheriff was CC'd and we guessed wrong on who the real sheriff was - then the sheriff STILL leads town to victory from the grave, following their lynch order they laid out.

And to summarize that:

1. Sheriff reveals
2. Sheriff leads town
3. ???
4. Win

[blinkskater]

Hello all.

Day 1, Post 1 solve right here.

Actually, game's solved before the game even starts: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post927878

We have a 50% winrate.

To put it more explicitly:

1. The sheriff openly claims
   
   • If someone counter claims then we thunder dome the two sheriff claims. This is great for town because if we guess right then our winrate shoots up to 75%. If we guess wrong then that's fine, our winrate is still at 50% - average winrate increases from 50% to 62.5%
   • Before we hammer either sheriff claim, that to-be-hammered sheriff should ORDER the players to be lynched next, and then town will follow out those orders.
     
     • A sheriff refusing to give an ordering is likely a scum just giving up since they know they'll be hammered so it doesn't matter
   • If the sheriff has reads, they can incorporate that into the ordering - if they are clueless, then just decide randomly.
     
     • THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT - because the scum are a coordinated team, it is critically important that our sheriff gives an ordering for who to lynch if a scum CC's AND the real sheriff is looking to be the one hammered in the event that a scum tries to (foolishly) CC them. The real sheriff's ordering is a source of trusted randomization
     • Obviously a fake sheriff would give a list too - do NOT let the list given by ANY sheriff sway you in the lynch process, as the scum sheriff has perfect information about the game and can make their list look appealing - the information should only be used in the event that the lynched player flips sheriff.
2. Sheriff leads town to victory. I don't care how bad you feel your reads are this game if you get sheriff - you can literally pick randomly and we still win half the time. It's just important that you actually do lead to prevent scum from manipulating town.
   
   • And in the event that the sheriff was CC'd and we guessed wrong on who the real sheriff was - then the sheriff STILL leads town to victory from the grave, following their lynch order they laid out.

And to summarize that:

1. Sheriff reveals
2. Sheriff leads town
3. ???
4. Win

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

[Varcron]

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

Well that's good then.

[theoneceko]

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

-vote blinkskater

im the real sheriff. im also not afraid of "both scum" hammering you bc you're one of them.

[Varcron]

-vote blinkskater

im the real sheriff. im also not afraid of "both scum" hammering you bc you're one of them.

If this is a meme vote then that's a bad idea


Game starts off on L3.

[theoneceko]

If this is a meme vote then that's a bad idea


Game starts off on L3.

why would villager fake sheriff?

[theoneceko]

If this is a meme vote then that's a bad idea


Game starts off on L3.

i still want a thunderdome between me and blink, but on the very slight chance that blink is actually another citizen faking villager, i will rescind my vote for now.

-vote unvote

**STILL WANT BLINK LYNCHED TODAY

[Varcron]

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff

Wait, ceko can't be sheriff

because I'm Sheriff

I get the fancy underline and bold too! Take that!

-vote blinkskater


im the real sheriff. im also not afraid of "both scum" hammering you bc you're one of them.

Those are the 4 claims, 2 of them you can obviously tell were faked

and two were real claims.

[Varcron]

Those are the 4 claims, 2 of them you can obviously tell were faked

and two were real claims.

The one from Oberon is later on, so I'll dig around to find it.

[Frinckles]

Those are the 4 claims, 2 of them you can obviously tell were faked

and two were real claims.

Holy shit you guys are fucking insane

[Varcron]

Holy shit you guys are fucking insane

I know

That's why half this thread is a bunch of crying and anger

[Lumi]

Holy shit you guys are fucking insane

Plus blink hard-claimed sheriff too and then only backed down once he was at L-1. But apparently that makes me scum for wanting to lynch him.

[Varcron]

Hello all.

Day 1, Post 1 solve right here.

Actually, game's solved before the game even starts: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post927878

We have a 50% winrate.

To put it more explicitly:

1. The sheriff openly claims
   
   • If someone counter claims then we thunder dome the two sheriff claims. This is great for town because if we guess right then our winrate shoots up to 75%. If we guess wrong then that's fine, our winrate is still at 50% - average winrate increases from 50% to 62.5%
   • Before we hammer either sheriff claim, that to-be-hammered sheriff should ORDER the players to be lynched next, and then town will follow out those orders.
     
     • A sheriff refusing to give an ordering is likely a scum just giving up since they know they'll be hammered so it doesn't matter
   • If the sheriff has reads, they can incorporate that into the ordering - if they are clueless, then just decide randomly.
     
     • THIS STEP IS VERY IMPORTANT - because the scum are a coordinated team, it is critically important that our sheriff gives an ordering for who to lynch if a scum CC's AND the real sheriff is looking to be the one hammered in the event that a scum tries to (foolishly) CC them. The real sheriff's ordering is a source of trusted randomization
     • Obviously a fake sheriff would give a list too - do NOT let the list given by ANY sheriff sway you in the lynch process, as the scum sheriff has perfect information about the game and can make their list look appealing - the information should only be used in the event that the lynched player flips sheriff.
2. Sheriff leads town to victory. I don't care how bad you feel your reads are this game if you get sheriff - you can literally pick randomly and we still win half the time. It's just important that you actually do lead to prevent scum from manipulating town.
   
   • And in the event that the sheriff was CC'd and we guessed wrong on who the real sheriff was - then the sheriff STILL leads town to victory from the grave, following their lynch order they laid out.

And to summarize that:

1. Sheriff reveals
2. Sheriff leads town
3. ???
4. Win

Good stats and numbers, NAI, but still, solid.

[Varcron]

Spooky

[blinkskater]

That being said I'm going to talk to my scum buddy for a while peace out.

[PQRnHack]

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff

[theoneceko]

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff

What if the mafia just claimed sheriffs? Can we get 6 sheriff claims today pls?

u just revealed here that ur intention was to get the real sheriff to reveal himself.
wdym? if you were actually a sheriff, then wouldn't you say "i will thunderdome with the other sheriff claim like lag told me to." the fact you said this shows you can NOT be a sheriff.
that a third person claims sheriff. how would you know this unless you were scum?

[PQRnHack]

u just revealed here that ur intention was to get the real sheriff to reveal himself.
wdym? if you were actually a sheriff, then wouldn't you say "i will thunderdome with the other sheriff claim like lag told me to." the fact you said this shows you can NOT be a sheriff.
that a third person claims sheriff. how would you know this unless you were scum?

Lag's strat/post assumes that if a CC is made to Sheriff role, then that CC is scum. Forgot to cover the case of Citizen CC'ing Sheriff.

[Varcron]

u just revealed here that ur intention was to get the real sheriff to reveal himself.
wdym? if you were actually a sheriff, then wouldn't you say "i will thunderdome with the other sheriff claim like lag told me to." the fact you said this shows you can NOT be a sheriff.
that a third person claims sheriff. how would you know this unless you were scum?

You're looking at this way too hard LMFAO

If the real sheriff reveals and gets mislynched, town's chances of winning go up since that's one outed scum.

[Varcron]

You're looking at this way too hard LMFAO

If the real sheriff reveals and gets mislynched, town's chances of winning go up since that's one outed scum.

Because you gotta keep in mind Ceko

4v2

Sheriff Mislynch= 3v2

Lynch fake sheriff claim= 3v1

Mislynch= 2v1

Mislynch #2 1v1 and scum win the tie


We need to mislynch literally 3 times in order to lose this game if I'm right.

[theoneceko]

You're looking at this way too hard LMFAO

If the real sheriff reveals and gets mislynched, town's chances of winning go up since that's one outed scum.

you're right. my tunnel on pqr was absolute dogshit bc i completely misinterpreted his intentions

i understand that, but this is like frinckles getting lynched from last game. town would've been in a better spot if we didn't lynch frinckles. in this game, town will also be in a better spot if they lynch blink first instead of me.

[blinkskater]

you're right. my tunnel on pqr was absolute dogshit bc i completely misinterpreted his intentions

i understand that, but this is like frinckles getting lynched from last game. town would've been in a better spot if we didn't lynch frinckles. in this game, town will also be in a better spot if they lynch blink first instead of me.

I normally carry scum you think I'm the one out of two of my partners to guarantee my self lynched in a CC? Even if I convinced you guys to lynched the real sheriff first, then I was lynched how does that even help my scum team?

[Lumi]

To ruin Lag's genius master plan, I offer a scenario not covered by Lag What is that scenario?

I'm the Sheriff

This post can be made as either alignment IMO, but I do happen to agree so.

I'm the Sheriff

Our winrate just increased to 62.5%

[PQRnHack]

What if the mafia just claimed sheriffs? Can we get 6 sheriff claims today pls?

[theoneceko]

so, blink and pqrn claimed sheriff. i am technically a cc since i posted after them.

i don't see why either of them would fake sheriff as villager, so i suspect both of them are mafia.

lynch blink, then pqrn

[theoneceko]

it's not a meme vote.

I AM THE REAL SHERIFF.

TODAY WE LYNCH BLINKSKATER, THEN TOMORROW WE LYNCH PQRNHACK.

[theoneceko]

it's not a meme vote.

I AM THE REAL SHERIFF.

TODAY WE LYNCH BLINKSKATER, THEN TOMORROW WE LYNCH PQRNHACK.

perhaps i jumped the gun too fast here. i mean, in the mod you obviously want to lynch anyone that cc's mayor. i also wanted to follow lag's strategy, which pqr shred to pieces by fake-claiming sheriff.

however, pqr just recently got townpoints bc he claimed villager faking sheriff. this was literally at the moment when i was about to say blink and pqr probably can't be a team.

[Auwt]

perhaps i jumped the gun too fast here. i mean, in the mod you obviously want to lynch anyone that cc's mayor. i also wanted to follow lag's strategy, which pqr shred to pieces by fake-claiming sheriff.

however, pqr just recently got townpoints bc he claimed villager faking sheriff. this was literally at the moment when i was about to say blink and pqr probably can't be a team.

I would need an explanation on the reason why you would give townpoint to someone that backed off from a claim......

[theoneceko]

wifom is the only weapon the scum have right now.

[theoneceko]

i'm tunneling a bit more this game fyi

[blinkskater]

Ceko, you're the 3rd player to claim Sheriff, just because you used giant green leters and say I'm a liar doesn't really mean anything at all.

I claimed, PQR claimed right after me. now you come in and claim?

Do I have these events correct?

[Varcron]

Ceko, you're the 3rd player to claim Sheriff, just because you used giant green leters and say I'm a liar doesn't really mean anything at all.

I claimed, PQR claimed right after me. now you come in and claim?

Do I have these events correct?

Wait, ceko can't be sheriff

because I'm Sheriff

I get the fancy underline and bold too! Take that!

[theoneceko]

Ceko, you're the 3rd player to claim Sheriff, just because you used giant green leters and say I'm a liar doesn't really mean anything at all.

I claimed, PQR claimed right after me. now you come in and claim?

Do I have these events correct?

cuz i'm mad that u immediately claimed sheriff. this forced me to reveal without getting a read on players first.
true, that means nothing. the only way we will resolve this is through a thunderdome between you and me.

what is this tone lol. why don't u care that two people immediately cc'ed your "sheriff" claim? i said this about pqrn, but there's no way you should be this chill if you were actually the sheriff. how does two people cc'ing you improve your odds of leading town?

[blinkskater]

cuz i'm mad that u immediately claimed sheriff. this forced me to reveal without getting a read on players first.
true, that means nothing. the only way we will resolve this is through a thunderdome between you and me.

what is this tone lol. why don't u care that two people immediately cc'ed your "sheriff" claim? i said this about pqrn, but there's no way you should be this chill if you were actually the sheriff. how does two people cc'ing you improve your odds of leading town?

You should be able to to read my tone here. Please don't try and associate how you think I would react as a Sheriff here to how I'm acting. Seems like you're trying to make it look like because I'm not freaking out, somethings wrong.

PQR Immediately rescinded, and pretty much said why he did what he did, and gave a follow up on you about you claiming after like that. I can see town in that slot for that.

I'm positive at this point either one of you or PQR is scum.

[Lumi]

OK. apparently this is just a troll game now with three sheriff claims.

You all did read the setup, right? The scum have no night kill, your wifom garbage is just throwing.

[blinkskater]

OK. apparently this is just a troll game now with three sheriff claims.

You all did read the setup, right? The scum have no night kill, your wifom garbage is just throwing.

Please don't accuse players who actually know how to play Mafia of throwing.

[Lumi]

Please don't accuse players who actually know how to play Mafia of throwing.

Are you implying something with this?

[blinkskater]

Calling people trolls and accusing people of throwing when they are just trying to play Mafia legit pisses me off, unless you're scum because I award scum points for that type of reading.

[Lumi]

Calling people trolls and accusing people of throwing when they are just trying to play Mafia legit pisses me off, unless you're scum because I award scum points for that type of reading.

There's literally an optimal strategy to play this setup, please tell me what purpose all these sheriff claims could have other than people just deciding to shit on the strategy I just posted and you said you agreed with

[PQRnHack]

There's literally an optimal strategy to play this setup, please tell me what purpose all these sheriff claims could have other than people just deciding to shit on the strategy I just posted and you said you agreed with

too lazy for math strategy
math not fun
i shall dis-integrate your strategy and use my own derivative

[blinkskater]

too lazy for math strategy
math not fun
i shall dis-integrate your strategy and use my own derivative

Math is no fun eh, I don't think you're being honest with that statement.

[blinkskater]

There's literally an optimal strategy to play this setup, please tell me what purpose all these sheriff claims could have other than people just deciding to shit on the strategy I just posted and you said you agreed with

I'd rather not discuss it at this point in time the significance of these sheriff claims.

I should have specified that I agreed with you ONLY on the fact Sheriff claiming right away increases towns WINRATE.

There were also some scenarios you left out of your "plan." FM isn't always so black and white, "Follow my plan and we win." Every player in the game can legitimately say that.

[theoneceko]

I'd rather not discuss it at this point in time the significance of these sheriff claims.

I should have specified that I agreed with you ONLY on the fact Sheriff claiming right away increases towns WINRATE.

There were also some scenarios you left out of your "plan." FM isn't always so black and white, "Follow my plan and we win." Every player in the game can legitimately say that.

i would've done this, but 1. you and pqr beat me to it 2. i've no idea who i'd lynch if i instantly revealed