S-FM 328: Lazy (6P)

[Auwt]

And Ceko CC'ing you is not on the list?
Varcron and I are likely a "team": one of Lazy Town Citizens

That's not something I am certain of.
I would personally not expect double scum claiming Sheriff.
Whether it is risky or not.

Unpredictable would be the word for it.

[Auwt]

blink should be voting me rn. i hard-claimed sheriff. if he's actually a sheriff, then he should vote me right now.

Funny, because at some point you did exactly the same with blink.

[Auwt]

Isn't that exactly what blink said a few posts back but with an uno reverso?

^ .

[Auwt]

If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Ceko + Lag

I don't know if my talk is worth something here.
But atm I find Ceko as a misguided townie.

[Auwt]

My vote will stand on ceko. It makes no sense for a pro player to consider a universe with the 2 mafia both claiming Sheriff.

Yup, I would not expect it either.

[Auwt]

No, quite frankly, I can't guess what you're hard claiming.

If that's an attempt to divert the attention away from you after being moved to L-1 by some dumbass then that gives you scum credibility.

Blink voted you before entering L-1.
I don't think that was an attempt to divert the attention.
Anyway with Ceko ccing and forcing the thunderdome, it would not have changed the outcome imo...

[Auwt]

Lmao no you didn't even ask for my reasons for doing what i did, you just auto vote me and say i cant be town because im not sheriff. You are further outting yourself as scum here.

I still don't see the point of doing that as a Citizen.

[Auwt]

THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE WAY TO PLAY THIS SAVE:
SHERIFF PUBLICALLY REVEALS

IF NO ONE COUNTER CLAIMS, GREAT, SHERIFF LEADS TOWN.

IF YOU GET TWO SHERIFF CLAIMS, EVEN BETTER, YOU LYNCH ONE SINCE THEY ARE SCUM AND THE OTHER IS REAL SHERIFF.

THAT WHOLE STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK IF YOU LET ONE OF THE COUNTER CLAIMS OUT OF IT. THAT'S HOW YOU LET MAFIA WIN MORE OFTEN THAN TOWN - THAT'S WHY HELZ SAID IN THE SETUP THREAD THAT HE THINKS THE SAVE IS TOO SCUM FAVORED - BECAUSE PEOPLE GET COLD FEET AND LET SCUM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.


But fuck me for wanting to stick to the optimal strategy, right? Apparently wanting to stick to the optimal strategy to win and pushing hard for the person I read to be far scummy in the thunderdome makes me scum.

Tbh this is the way to solve this setup.
I back up Lag's vote on blink, I would have totally voted blink if I had been here D1.
And at the time I'm reading this post more than 3+ people claimed it.
Supposingly either maf made an attempt or there are multiple trolling citizens.

[Frinckles]

So auwt it's Varcron and pqrn right?

[Auwt]

Yeah this is 100% right from Ceko

I think lag overreacted by saying that it was only him that was getting shit thrown towards them, it was a group of us.

Do I think the amount of shit thrown was out of desperation? I kind of do, and that's why I'm not ruling out voting blink, however I don't think turbo is the way to go in any scenario with Lazy

IMO scum!blink I could see fake claiming sheriff and doing exactly what he did as a high risk-reward play.

Probably still some kind of grudges from previous game. (Lag/blink)

[Auwt]

So auwt it's Varcron and pqrn right?

Atm I haven't seen any post from Oberon or you.

The possible pairings that stand out are :

Varcron/PQR
PQR/Frinckles
Frinckles/Varcron

But that's only with the assumptions of having not seen any of your post AND that ceko is the uncced Sheriff right now.

[Auwt]

Why do we have 3 sheriff claims?

Lmao.

[Auwt]

-vote Varcron

Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?

Not that I'm defending Varcron, but claiming and retracting is a play you are familiar with.
Consistency is lacking a bit there.

[Frinckles]

Atm I haven't seen any post from Oberon or you.

The possible pairings that stand out are :

Varcron/PQR
PQR/Frinckles
Frinckles/Varcron

But that's only with the assumptions of having not seen any of your post AND that ceko is the uncced Sheriff right now.

How much do you like Occam's razor?

I didn't vote for Blink and wanted your slot lynched while you were in a thunderdome with Blink.

From the perspective of Varcron/PQRN both being town I would be bussing you in that scenario which we both know is untrue.

Therefore, one or both of them is scum from our perspectives. Not only this, but if you and PQRN are teamed up all it would take is your two votes to hammer him if he's town. Obviously PQRN isn't online but that could change rather quickly. Doesn't have high impact on the game at the moment, but it's worth mentioning.

Regardless, I don't see you teamed up with PQRN as I outlined to Ceko last page. I see you with Varcron here or Varcron with PQRN.

So, which one would you prefer we lynched? Varcron works in both worlds I see plausible, do you agree?

[Auwt]

How much do you like Occam's razor?

I didn't vote for Blink and wanted your slot lynched while you were in a thunderdome with Blink.

From the perspective of Varcron/PQRN both being town I would be bussing you in that scenario which we both know is untrue.

Therefore, one or both of them is scum from our perspectives. Not only this, but if you and PQRN are teamed up all it would take is your two votes to hammer him if he's town. Obviously PQRN isn't online but that could change rather quickly. Doesn't have high impact on the game at the moment, but it's worth mentioning.

Regardless, I don't see you teamed up with PQRN as I outlined to Ceko last page. I see you with Varcron here or Varcron with PQRN.

So, which one would you prefer we lynched? Varcron works in both worlds I see plausible, do you agree?

The thing is that, if you truly are town, then the solve should be Varcron/PQR.
But you are so eager to get a lynch that I'm starting doubting, especially considering Oberon's consistency throughout the different games he has played.

Another possibility would also be PQR and you, or even darker, Varcron and you, since Varcron has not been insta-hammered yet.
The fact that you voted someone to a L-2 shows you KNOW 100% what you are doing, but that's the kind of play I would see from a town!Frinckles or a scum!Frinckles.

[PQRnHack]

What the lump!!!
Who let these two jokers in here?

[Auwt]

Anyway before attempting anything crazy,
I am going to head to dream land, and hopefully have a fresher mind tomorrow.

[PQRnHack]

It is hard to say, but my suspicion is on Varcron/Auwt(Lag) team. 2nd choice is Frinckles(Oberon)/Auwt(Lag), they are good at bussing.

[PQRnHack]

Actually going through Lag's ISO, the probability of Frinckles(Oberon)/Auwt(Lag) goes up.

The big question is: would either Frinckles or Lag (and even Auwt now!) push Varcron in their "solves" if Varcron were their partner? Could be a pro play to bus, then try to lynch me or whoever their alternate "partner to Varcron" "read" is. If this big play is not happening, then I remove Varcron from scum pairings and the solve becomes Frinckles+Auwt.

If it's Frinckles+Varcron then they got me good.

Ceko you will have to help me out there.

[Frinckles]

It is hard to say, but my suspicion is on Varcron/Auwt(Lag) team. 2nd choice is Frinckles(Oberon)/Auwt(Lag), they are good at bussing.

Wow, somebody finally opens their brain to the framework. You're probably town, wanna kill Varcron?

Or we can kill Lag(auwt), I don't care.

[PQRnHack]

And sorry for not posting earlier, had to catch up last 4-5 pages. I was busy working on a quarterly product forecast that had to be completed by today, so I worked much of last night as well as this morning to get that sent out before 8 AM. Then I had natural workday after 8 AM, which I've wrapped up now. No, I would not intentionally sit and not post, especially if I was scum and knew that it would be viewed as coasting.

[PQRnHack]

Wow, somebody finally opens their brain to the framework. You're probably town, wanna kill Varcron?

Or we can kill Lag(auwt), I don't care.

Stop pocketing me And basically all 3 questionable players (in my POV) have offered comments to bus their 2nd partner, so I can't trust statements like "I dont care" - Mafia can afford a mislynch, Town cannot.

[theoneceko]

Actually going through Lag's ISO, the probability of Frinckles(Oberon)/Auwt(Lag) goes up.

The big question is: would either Frinckles or Lag (and even Auwt now!) push Varcron in their "solves" if Varcron were their partner? Could be a pro play to bus, then try to lynch me or whoever their alternate "partner to Varcron" "read" is. If this big play is not happening, then I remove Varcron from scum pairings and the solve becomes Frinckles+Auwt.

If it's Frinckles+Varcron then they got me good.

Ceko you will have to help me out there.

._. i think varc bc he avoided all the messy sheriff claims at the beginning. blink pointed this out

[theoneceko]

also varc hammered blink

[theoneceko]

new scum poe

varc -> auwt(lag) -> frinckles(oberon)

[PQRnHack]

._. i think varc bc he avoided all the messy sheriff claims at the beginning. blink pointed this out

Okay let's say we lynch Varc who flips scum. How do we figure out which of Auwt/Frinckles is the last scum? Frinckles pushed Varc relatively firmly, including him in scum pairings and even voting on him.
But then Lag also made posts like
"scum team is Varcron + PQR ;w;

why else did Varcron hammer like that"

so if Varcron is scum, then he got bussed by their teammate.

[PQRnHack]

also varc hammered blink

Let me check sequencing of votes. If that hammer was to save Lag, then the solve is there.

[PQRnHack]

Vote sequence leading up to end of D1 was as follows, disregarding votes outside of Lag and Blink (mostly yours, Ceko).

Oberon(now Frinckles) votes Lag
Blink votes Lag
Ceko votes Blink
Lag votes Blink
Varcron hammers Blink

Would scum Lag+Varcron really cast their 2nd and 3rd votes on Blink to save Lag?

[Varcron]

._. i think varc bc he avoided all the messy sheriff claims at the beginning. blink pointed this out

I've already apologized for being physically out of my house for a few hours

In future games I'll make sure to sit and type in FM all day because that's clearly what is expected.

[Varcron]

So auwt it's Varcron and pqrn right?

You're way too lynch hungry

Give your head a shake town, scum needs 1 PERSON to mess up their vote

Then they can hammer and instant win.

[Frinckles]

Vote sequence leading up to end of D1 was as follows, disregarding votes outside of Lag and Blink (mostly yours, Ceko).

Oberon(now Frinckles) votes Lag
Blink votes Lag
Ceko votes Blink
Lag votes Blink
Varcron hammers Blink

Would scum Lag+Varcron really cast their 2nd and 3rd votes on Blink to save Lag?

Probably? You've been pushing auwts slot as scum this game and I'm skeptical of a bus

[Frinckles]

You're way too lynch hungry

Give your head a shake town, scum needs 1 PERSON to mess up their vote

Then they can hammer and instant win.

If Ceko or PQRN votes you right now I'll be cleared and I won't have to deal with you three worldbuilding around a slot that didn't want Blink lynched.

[Varcron]

Probably? You've been pushing auwts slot as scum this game and I'm skeptical of a bus

It is a bus from my POV

PQR has barely touched me the entire game, but he's been putting pressure on Lag/Auwt most of the game.

It's a good way to get townread, assuming that the team is PQR/Auwt

[Frinckles]

But I'm pretty sure it's you + auwt at this point anyway.

[Varcron]

If Ceko or PQRN votes you right now I'll be cleared and I won't have to deal with you three worldbuilding around a slot that didn't want Blink lynched.

How exactly would you be cleared? I don't see how my lynch clears you in the slightest.

[Frinckles]

And I'm not lynch hungry, I'm just saying one of you is town who needs to be a bit more confident in reading and the other two are scum hedging whether to bus the other guy in a day chat

[Frinckles]

How exactly would you be cleared? I don't see how my lynch clears you in the slightest.

Do you not see that because you're scum and it wouldn't end the game or because you think im scum

[Varcron]

Then you have this gem of an interaction

Wow, somebody finally opens their brain to the framework. You're probably town, wanna kill Varcron?

Stop pocketing me And basically all 3 questionable players (in my POV) have offered comments to bus their 2nd partner, so I can't trust statements like "I dont care" - Mafia can afford a mislynch, Town cannot.

You didn't even respond when he called you out for pocketing him.

[theoneceko]

Okay let's say we lynch Varc who flips scum. How do we figure out which of Auwt/Frinckles is the last scum? Frinckles pushed Varc relatively firmly, including him in scum pairings and even voting on him.
But then Lag also made posts like
"scum team is Varcron + PQR ;w;

why else did Varcron hammer like that"

so if Varcron is scum, then he got bussed by their teammate.

i don't think so bc lag voted frinckles right before that. she spelled his name wrong, but still

[Frinckles]

Then you have this gem of an interaction






You didn't even respond when he called you out for pocketing him.

Did you intentionally remove the part where I opted to kill Lag instead of you? Or are you my scum partner here?

[theoneceko]

Vote sequence leading up to end of D1 was as follows, disregarding votes outside of Lag and Blink (mostly yours, Ceko).

Oberon(now Frinckles) votes Lag
Blink votes Lag
Ceko votes Blink
Lag votes Blink
Varcron hammers Blink

Would scum Lag+Varcron really cast their 2nd and 3rd votes on Blink to save Lag?

hmmm...

[Varcron]

Do you not see that because you're scum and it wouldn't end the game or because you think im scum

Currently? I think in terms of teams it's either Frinckles/PQR or Auwt/PQR, either way PQR is in the POV.

Here's why:

PQR has been laying into Auwt for most of the game, so it would be a reasonable bus for that pairing

You/PQR because of how you two seem to be buddying, but I think that's less likely since PQ pointed out your pocket attempt.

Ceko is town in all cases here in my POV unless we're being bamboozled.

[Frinckles]

Currently? I think in terms of teams it's either Frinckles/PQR or Auwt/PQR, either way PQR is in the POV.

Here's why:

PQR has been laying into Auwt for most of the game, so it would be a reasonable bus for that pairing

You/PQR because of how you two seem to be buddying, but I think that's less likely since PQ pointed out your pocket attempt.

Ceko is town in all cases here in my POV unless we're being bamboozled.

Okay so you're best shot is to vote Pqr here.

[theoneceko]

i swear lag-auwt is scummier than varc, but i don't wanna lynch a replacement today

[Varcron]

Did you intentionally remove the part where I opted to kill Lag instead of you? Or are you my scum partner here?

I missed that part, but that makes it worse

Or we can kill Lag(auwt), I don't care.

This implies you know something we don't, or you're happy you'll get a quick win with either lynch assuming you're the scum with PQ

[Varcron]

Okay so you're best shot is to vote Pqr here.

Yes, in my POV PQR is the best lynch, and has been for several hours now.

-vote PQRnHack

[PQRnHack]

So @theoneceko , would scum!Varcron post "...it's either Frinckles/PQR or Auwt/PQR, either way PQR is in the POV" while knowing that I am then likely to vote him after this (from my POV, as LTC)? From my POV, if Varcron is town, then scum would have to be Frinckles+Auwt, a combination that Varcron left out. Would scum!Varcron leave out the obvious combination and the only combination that would stop me from lynching Varcron?

[PQRnHack]

Yes, in my POV PQR is the best lynch, and has been for several hours now.

-vote PQRnHack

I just got on less than 2 hours ago. So now I am no longer your strong townread that I was D1?

[Frinckles]

This implies you know something we don't

It doesn't.

or you're happy you'll get a quick win with either lynch assuming you're the scum with PQ

When I've talked to any of you, I've given you the opportunity of worldbuilding to convince me which of the other two are scum. I'm indifferent to who it is at the moment because I'm trying to see who is authentic. Rationally, I never get lynched here because of how my slot has played and voted. That has even less to do with individual skill and more of how the game elapsed.

PQR pushed Auwt's slot to an extent; has been somewhat aloof (didn't vote but likely didn't want Blink lynched.)

You and Auwt have focused on Blink/Ceko/my slot mostly this game, which doesn't help much rn

[Varcron]

I just got on less than 2 hours ago. So now I am no longer your strong townread that I was D1?

You've been gone since the last chunk of D1

Basically the same timeline from where I called you my top townread, which in my opinion means you decided to coast because you're "safe"