S-FM 327 : Last Hope

[OzyWho]

It doesn't make any sense. Heros get their role card as whatever hero, not as random hero. That's why I think Ozy is lying.

Please stop role hunting?
Like it's not that hard to understand how it's a scum thing to do.

[PQRnHack]

Villager (LVL 0) :
You are a powerless member of the Village.
Whenever someone levels you up, you can choose a level 1 Village role and will then become this role at the start of the following night.

[Lumi]

Some comments:

Oberon scumread me earlier in the game, and I was fine with it because Oberon was actually justifying his claim with real reasons (eg Oberon said long read lists is a mafia tell and he thinks he caught me out using one as a new player, therefore he thinks I'm scum. And while I think his reasoning is flawed since it overlooks that I am town and that I naturally am just very thorough - it's at least a legitimate contribution)

blinkskater on the other hand comes into the game - refuses to read my ISO, and starts accusing me of having lied to nearly a dozen people outside of the game - Auwt, Helz, ceko, OzyWho, SuperJack, everyone that was in the Matrix6 spectator chat.

When I tell him the truth, that I've just read way more about FM than your average new player, rather than backing off, he doubles down on it, seemingly certain that I am lying to everyone outside of the game.

These aren't scumreads, these are blatant OOG attacks on me - and when I get defensive of it, he fucking mocks me for it - saying I'm bringing OOG stuff into the game when he was the one who started with those OOG attacks.

So yeah, it killed my motivation to play this game.

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I don't think OzyWho is scum. I am inclined to believe that he was a villager that got leveled up.

I think MM has misread OzyWho on virtue of having not read the entire thread.

I agreed (and still agree with) most of Frinckles reads - except Oberon and Varcron - I still get a scummy vibe from Oberon, but that scummy vibe comes mostly from WrathCyber's connection to Oberon and not Oberon himself - so I would want to see Wrath hammered before Oberon 100% of the time. And Varcron, I just don't know about, but I'm not getting the same scum vibe from him that I normally get in the mod. This is FM though so that probably doesn't count for much.

Frinckles said that the scum is among:
Varcron
WrathCyber
CRichardForumLie
Numbertwo
Blinkskater

I really don't like Richard jumping on the Ozy train - feels like a scum trying to eliminate the villager that got leveled up.

Varcron as I said is in a gray area for me.

I find it odd how Blinkskater has defended #2 using "OOG" reasons saying that #2 always plays like that, and then accused me of using OOG reasons to defend myself.

Also why has no one put any scrutiny on this guy? His ENTIRE contribution this game was starting a train on me based on the false predicate that I am secretly an experienced player who came here just to pretend to be new in order to power wolf, but he's too lazy to be assed to actually read me ISO. That's it. That's all he has contributed.

[WrathCyber]

So now he's claiming villager> Which one is it, PQR? Villager or Hero? You're defending him so hard it's hilarious.

[PQRnHack]

So now he's claiming villager> Which one is it, PQR? Villager or Hero? You're defending him so hard it's hilarious.

Did you read the setup? Vanilla villagers become Heroes upon leveling up.

[Lumi]

And I read Ozy's sudden suspicion of me as a Villager that got the level up trying to not get day 1 lynched.

I think he's grasping at straws after having town read me the entire game, only to flip once the train is on him. But what else is he supposed to do? Town lynching their freshly minted, un-CC'd hero would be a terrible day 1

[WrathCyber]

I know we're writing off ozy too easily. But don't you think he's too confident pivoting his vote to whoever catches his attention? Yet PQR is defending his back like his life is on the line whenever I point out that one fallacy about oxy claiming to be hero.

[Lumi]

-vote WrathCyber

[WrathCyber]

-vote WrathCyber

Lag are you serious right now. I'll be forced to role reveal after this which would bring shadows into the game and have me as their target.

[Lumi]

@LagAttack
This unreasonable AtE made to excuse stepping away of the game is super scummy btw.

You're literally 180ing your attitude towards the game all because 1 guys opinion on you.

Given your game progression before then, this 180 is bordering unbelievable tbh.

I mentioned in the other post - what the heck is unbelievable about losing motivation to play a game after I've been attacked OOG and mocked for being defensive over it for over 30 posts by blink?

[OzyWho]

I'm fairly certain of Richard's towniness.
And Nr2 is mostly his town meta here.
Frinckles and Varcron I feel like will solve themselves out - I expect a thunderdome between them or else!

I'm not very opposed to a wrath lynch.

Will skim though blink's ISO, though i'm not familiar with him that much.
Oberon has been talking to blink for a long portion of this game - chatting back and forth - but never inclined to give a read on blink.
I could see a world where oberon and blink are scum/scum; based on Oberon's ISO.

[Numbertwo]

[Unvote][\unvote]

[Auwt]

I think the question is whether rolecard information also discloses Shadow allies.
@Auwt, if around, are the Shadows informed of their partners' identities (before N1)?

The Shadows know their team members.

[Numbertwo]

Honestly the way ozy is playing right now it lools like he is the templar

[OzyWho]

So now he's claiming villager> Which one is it, PQR? Villager or Hero? You're defending him so hard it's hilarious.

Learn the setup plz. AND STOP FUCKING ROLE HUNTING, JEEZUS HOW DENSE ARE YOU?

[OzyWho]

And I read Ozy's sudden suspicion of me as a Villager that got the level up trying to not get day 1 lynched.

I think he's grasping at straws after having town read me the entire game, only to flip once the train is on him. But what else is he supposed to do? Town lynching their freshly minted, un-CC'd hero would be a terrible day 1

I wasn't even top3 trains when i swapped ftr.
Well.. maybe top3..

[Lumi]

Lag are you serious right now. I'll be forced to role reveal after this which would bring shadows into the game and have me as their target.

You are not at the top of my scum list. But the other trains are Ozy and myself - and I know I'm town, and Ozy is solidly in my town section, so you're the only other choice :\

What I really want is a train on one of the blink/#2 duo since they've been defending each other - but with less than an hour left I don't know if that can still happen

[PQRnHack]

Could Wrath be this dumb of a newbie? That's the question.

[OzyWho]

I know we're writing off ozy too easily. But don't you think he's too confident pivoting his vote to whoever catches his attention? Yet PQR is defending his back like his life is on the line whenever I point out that one fallacy about oxy claiming to be hero.

Don't worry noob.
After 100 mislynches, you too will start re-evaluating more and more often.

[OzyWho]

sorry

[OzyWho]

Lag are you serious right now. I'll be forced to role reveal after this which would bring shadows into the game and have me as their target.

you fucking moron done all the role hunting FOR THE SCUM already yourself, because you haven't learned the setup whilst being new presumably.

[Auwt]

@Auwt
how are ties resolved?

I would think that plurality is lynch no matter what, especially when also skip votes are not allowed.

As I've forgotten to mention how ties work in the setup thread,
Majority is 51% (not achieved)
Plurality is the one the most voted (not achieved 'cause of ties)
Not reaching any majority nor plurality (aka ties/multiple leading trains) will result in a no lynch.

[WrathCyber]

I asked auwt about the details of leveling. He says that Yes, but the level up only happens at the beginning of the night then.
. Therefore ozy's claim is full of such BS it's incredible how hard he's being ignored. Just give templar the win/scum the loss so we can move on and focus on others.

[OzyWho]

Guys, please.
Click this button: link
read through and give your opinions on it.

For the last hour of the game, perhaps we could do a group effort and try to get opinions on a slot that has been under the radar all game long?

Stop your petty skirmishes and let's work together for a change.

[Lumi]

@Auwt When is someone notified that they are leveled up?

[PQRnHack]

I asked auwt about the details of leveling. He says that Yes, but the level up only happens at the beginning of the night then.
. Therefore ozy's claim is full of such BS it's incredible how hard he's being ignored. Just give templar the win/scum the loss so we can move on and focus on others.

Dude, my scum radar is going off even more now. You put Auwt's answer (red text) without giving us context as to what the "Yes" refers to or what the framing of the question was. That "Yes" probably refers to vanilla Villager being notified of leveling-up during the day and said Villager choosing his/her Hero role during the day.

[OzyWho]

I asked auwt about the details of leveling. He says that Yes, but the level up only happens at the beginning of the night then.
. Therefore ozy's claim is full of such BS it's incredible how hard he's being ignored. Just give templar the win/scum the loss so we can move on and focus on others.

Which I already TOLD YOU, you idiot. link
I think you were dropped on your head as a child or something, by how dense you are, STOP ROLE HUNTING.

[Lumi]

Guys, please.
Click this button: link
read through and give your opinions on it.

For the last hour of the game, perhaps we could do a group effort and try to get opinions on a slot that has been under the radar all game long?

Stop your petty skirmishes and let's work together for a change.

Literally the entire game he tunneled on me until I stepped away, (unintentionally) taking away his fodder to appear active with. He then asks a lot of questions while contributing around 3 pretty weak reads in total

[PQRnHack]

To clarify my last statement: I interpret "level up ... happens" as that person formally become the Hero. The person can still be notified of level-up action during the day. I suppose we may need @Auwt to clarify without giving too much away here. Notification (and subsequent choice of Hero) and actual conversion to Hero are two different things in my view.

[OzyWho]

Guys, please.
Click this button: link
read through and give your opinions on it.

For the last hour of the game, perhaps we could do a group effort and try to get opinions on a slot that has been under the radar all game long?

Stop your petty skirmishes and let's work together for a change.

-vote blinkskater

He's attitude towards LagAttack reminds me of his attitude towards me in first S-FM Silent Night.

[Auwt]

@Auwt When is someone notified that they are leveled up?

The Magus has to send a PM during the day, containing the name of the person they want to level up.
They have up to the start of the night to send it or change it.
By this exact moment (beginning of the night), the person will be notified of the level up.

[theoneceko]

I predict with 99% certainty that WrathCyber will flip town and that he's the lowest hanging fruit ever

he called 3 people a templar, so i think he's been softing templar this whole time ;W;

[PQRnHack]

The Magus has to send a PM during the day, containing the name of the person they want to level up.
They have up to the start of the night to send it or change it.
By this exact moment (beginning of the night), the person will be notified of the level up.

"By this moment (beginning of the night)" is interpreted by me as any time prior to that moment - so during the day.

@Auwt , at what time does a Vanilla Villager with a level-up choose their pick of a Level 1 Hero/Villager?

[Lumi]

So @OzyWho was baiting with the level up claim, idk how I feel about that now - but I felt pretty strongly that Ozy was town before he made the comment, and I don't think it's particularly AI,

-vote blinkskater

[OzyWho]

@theoneceko
vote blink imho tbh.
Wrath's game has improved since you last ISO'd them.

[Auwt]

"By this moment (beginning of the night)" is interpreted by me as any time prior to that moment - so during the day.

@Auwt, at what time does a Vanilla Villager with a level-up choose their pick of a Level 1 Hero/Villager?

*At this exact moment (beginning of the night).

F auto correction, my bad.

[PQRnHack]

Wrath's game has improved since you last ISO'd them.

Is this a joke?

[OzyWho]

So @OzyWho was baiting with the level up claim, idk how I feel about that now - but I felt pretty strongly that Ozy was town before he made the comment, and I don't think it's particularly AI,

-vote blinkskater

Tbh, I never imagined I'd be surrounded by idiots; not realizing the obvious due to not learning the setup, and start to role hunting for the scums.
If PQR ends up being scum - this was actually pretty good play by him.
Wrath is just stupid towny imho. But at least I now think they're towny.

[OzyWho]

Is this a joke?

no

[Oberon]

I am not lynching blink d1 lol

[Oberon]

you guys would really lynch ozy and blink over lag attack? lol

[PQRnHack]

*At this exact moment (beginning of the night).

F auto correction, my bad.

Choice of words is important here Lots of chaos in the last 2 hours over the mechanics. Add to the setup thread pls.

Please answer: what is the timeframe for the leveled-up Villager to pick Hero? Based on your comment regarding "notification of leveling up", I assume it has to be during the night.

Please answer: when you say they will become that hero "the following night" does that refer to the night immediately following the day of leveling-up? Or the next night. E.g., day 1 level up, does "following night" refer to N1 or N2 for becoming the hero?

[OzyWho]

Dude, my scum radar is going off even more now. You put Auwt's answer (red text) without giving us context as to what the "Yes" refers to or what the framing of the question was. That "Yes" probably refers to vanilla Villager being notified of leveling-up during the day and said Villager choosing his/her Hero role during the day.

also Wrath has been proven wrong by the host..
literally lied about what the host said..

lol good point, I didn't realize that.

Wrath is back on the menu boys!

But idk, I kinda want blink atm.

[PQRnHack]

@Auwt please see post 1292

[Oberon]

if you vote blinkskater, you're dead tonight

[OzyWho]

also Wrath has been proven wrong by the host..
literally lied about what the host said..

lol good point, I didn't realize that.

Wrath is back on the menu boys!

Scratch all that!
I misunderstood something.

[theoneceko]

The Templar subject was talked for like 10-20 posts in the entire game.

hi, vote wrathcyber please. u brought up the templar discussion and wrath is most likely our templar if not scum

[Oberon]

LAGATTACK IS DEAD TONIGHT UNLESS HE SWITCHES OFF BLINKSKATER AND ONTO PORNHACK

ALL

[Lumi]

Tbh, I never imagined I'd be surrounded by idiots; not realizing the obvious due to not learning the setup, and start to role hunting for the scums.
If PQR ends up being scum - this was actually pretty good play by him.
Wrath is just stupid towny imho. But at least I now think they're towny.

You made the comment after I had already checked out of day 1, sorry

[OzyWho]

if you vote blinkskater, you're dead tonight

After chit chatting with blink all game long, can you please give a read on blink?

lol, also, are you openly claiming shadow here?