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    ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    Account Name: ZZorange
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-2701690
    In-Game Name: Honest Mortician

    Crimes Committed: Griefing

    Your Account Name: Prostagna
    Summary: ZZorange didn't reveal his role to Jailor `because he blacklists 10 mafia roles and prefers town roles every game`.

    Check the chat log. He does it every game when Jailed and plans to do it every game in the future.
    He and akaskr talked about it the whole game in the graveyard chat.



    Personal Opinion: Until ZZorange gets a point ban - I won't play in a game with him ever again. His presence destroys the whole spirit of the game. I see no point in playing in a game where he is present if he does this just to teach everyone that he always is town, while picking the same name.

    Offtopic: Also, the rapist guy, Jimmy, had some fun comment this game:
    I 00:39 Jimmy ALL -I CUM INSIDE BABIES
    I 01:20 Prostagna ALL Jimmy you'll just make another new acc when you get perm banned again? (sad)
    I 01:29 Jimmy ALL Yes
    I 01:36 Jimmy ALL I mean its so easy to make an account
    I 01:41 Jimmy ALL the ban means nothing
    Btw, is it really possible to prefer 7 roles? ZZorange did apparently.



    -Mafia- (1256) ZZOoange.SC2Replay
    Last edited by Sheriff; May 26th, 2021 at 05:37 AM.

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    Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    SC ID VERIFICATION
    ZZorange 1-S2-1-2701690 Correct

    Respective Hotkeys
    ZZorange 5

    Summary
    ZZorange is jailed night 1, when prompted for role all ZZorange says is
    "see ya kidnapper"

    With no role claim the Jailor executes and ZZorange flips Marshall.

    Remainder of the Game
    Town does end up winning the game without their Marshall. Although ironically, had ZZorange not been executed he would have revealed the next day, granting the 11% chance Judge 3 lynches, so this execution most likely saved the game for town. Although that fact is irrelevant here.

    Focusing instead on the graveyard chat:
    Graveyard Chat
    Spoiler : Full Graveyard Chat :
    3:02 JumpinAway RIP
    3:07 ZZorange rip indeed
    3:10 akaskr double kidnapper
    3:10 akaskr damn
    3:13 ZZorange damn really
    3:15 ZZorange u got nappered 2?
    3:16 ZZorange thats hardcore
    3:18 akaskr yarp
    4:26 Suwako how does it feel
    4:31 Suwako to get exed as TG
    5:15 [XXXV]WarPlayer lOOOOOOOOOOl
    5:18 Suwako hahaha
    5:28 JumpinAway RIP lmao
    5:30 akaskr lawl
    5:31 [XXXV]WarPlayer lOOOOOOOOOOOOOl
    5:32 akaskr which kidnapper were you?
    5:36 [XXXV]WarPlayer i waso n u
    5:37 [XXXV]WarPlayer i was on u
    5:39 [XXXV]WarPlayer lOOOOOOOOOOOOl
    5:46 akaskr so the marsh-napper is still at large
    5:54 JumpinAway theres not two kidnappers is there
    5:57 JumpinAway because my role got cleansed
    6:12 akaskr oh, you're right
    6:17 akaskr so that means 1 died to jailor?
    6:18 JumpinAway idk if i got disguised or what
    6:22 JumpinAway but there is a dumb jailor out there prob lol
    6:26 [XXXV]WarPlayer ^
    6:28 [XXXV]WarPlayer lOOOOOOOOOOOl
    6:29 akaskr it should have told 1 if he was killed by jailor or kidnapper
    6:39 akaskr 1 seems to think he was kidnapped
    6:41 JumpinAway 8 who did you kill?
    6:43 JumpinAway it was 5 right
    6:49 [XXXV]WarPlayer ^
    6:51 JumpinAway ah ok
    7:06 akaskr oh, you know what?
    7:13 ZZorange wut
    7:13 akaskr I BET you that 1 didn't reveal his role to the jailor
    7:15 akaskr and that's why he got killed
    7:16 ZZorange ?
    7:21 ZZorange why would i reveal role to a failor
    7:27 akaskr because he killed you, that's why lol
    7:33 ZZorange If you jail someone who blacklists 10 mafia roles and prefers 7 town roles
    7:35 ZZorange You deserve to failor.
    7:47 akaskr nah, if you're jailed and you don't reveal role when questioned, you deserve to be executed
    7:49 JumpinAway you can blacklist roles?
    7:50 ZZorange nope
    7:52 JumpinAway oh
    7:54 JumpinAway wut
    7:54 JumpinAway lmao
    8:00 akaskr lol how many times are you going to get executed zz before you learn your lesson
    8:03 ZZorange ?
    8:08 ZZorange There's no lesson to learn
    8:10 JumpinAway why tf didnt you just claim crier lmao
    8:11 akaskr apparently there is
    8:19 ZZorange I'm simplying teaching the lesson of why you dont execute someone who has all mafia blacklisted and 7 town preferred
    8:21 ZZorange One failor at a time.
    8:24 ZZorange I allow them to failor
    8:25 akaskr oh riiiiight
    8:26 ZZorange So they can learn
    8:28 ZZorange The error of their ways.
    8:29 akaskr it's literally EVERYONE ELSE that's wrong
    8:29 Suwako z
    8:32 ZZorange It is yes.
    8:34 Suwako its no use talking to him
    8:36 ZZorange Thats how hate boners walks.
    8:36 JumpinAway wait i dont get it what do you mean blacklist roles
    8:41 ZZorange work*
    8:49 ZZorange Yes
    8:49 akaskr "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong" -zzorange
    8:52 Suwako i feel like jailor did a good job, because he will throw
    8:53 ZZorange You can blacklist roles
    8:54 ZZorange Pino
    8:57 JumpinAway Really?
    8:58 ZZorange So for instance
    8:58 JumpinAway How
    9:00 [MOKC]Darkstar alright
    9:03 Prostagna you need 10k points for that
    9:03 [MOKC]Darkstar now i can sleepy time
    9:04 ZZorange I haven't been mafia except when i choose to be in over 50 games.
    9:04 akaskr zzorange has the game figured out, he literally is the only one who gets it
    9:06 JumpinAway ohh i see
    9:10 akaskr and he has to teach every other person the meta
    9:12 akaskr one person at a time
    9:17 akaskr until he's been executed by everyone else playing
    9:19 akaskr but don't worry, he's right
    9:21 ZZorange Mafia players arent very smart meow mix
    9:21 JumpinAway oh janitor lul
    9:21 akaskr everyone else is wrong
    9:22 ZZorange it takes time
    9:24 ZZorange They will learn.
    9:24 Suwako lolololol
    9:28 akaskr you're right, you play mafia
    9:31 akaskr perfect example
    9:33 [MOKC]Darkstar hes not infalaible, youre being ridiculous
    10:02 akaskr man zz, I wonder how many games have been lost because of your strat
    10:05 ZZorange ?
    10:08 Suwako zz is just a placeholder... ignore him
    10:09 ZZorange Idk
    10:13 ZZorange Depends how often people choose to failor.
    10:20 Suwako we just need him to fill up a slot for 15
    10:27 akaskr Nah, definitly depends on how often you play against the meta, then blame everyone else
    10:32 ZZorange I don't play against any meta.
    10:33 [MOKC]Darkstar i dont even know what that means
    10:45 ZZorange I've just been jailed n1 more mafia games than you've played so I dont give role. I don't fuck with kidnappers.
    10:48 [MOKC]Darkstar i just play my role to the best of my ability
    10:51 [MOKC]Darkstar thats it
    10:59 Prostagna why wouldnt marshall give role to jailor? thats just plain stupid lol.
    11:02 ZZorange If people dont wanna failor they can choose to not jail me.
    11:04 ZZorange Its up to them.
    11:07 JumpinAway wait you pick the same name every time? why
    11:11 ZZorange its a gimmick
    11:15 ZZorange The Honest Man never lies.
    11:16 ZZorange etc...
    11:17 Suwako but zz also executes me
    11:18 akaskr he does this thing were he plays as "Honest ____"
    11:18 [MOKC]Darkstar its fun to have calling cards
    11:20 akaskr and then never "lies"
    11:23 JumpinAway oh
    11:24 ZZorange That's true though
    11:24 akaskr which means he just doesn't say anything of value
    11:26 [MOKC]Darkstar i use A G E N T B OR N G E
    11:28 ZZorange nah
    11:29 ZZorange thats not true
    11:31 [MOKC]Darkstar and D A R K S T A R
    11:32 akaskr "I don't have any investigative results to report"
    11:35 ZZorange It just means I never say something I know to be false.
    11:36 Suwako he doesn't even play his own save properly
    11:37 akaskr which is true, because he's mafia!
    11:40 ZZorange Well no
    11:42 ZZorange I was investigator that game.
    11:44 Suwako why do we even want to 7222 if you dont want to play it properly?
    11:45 ZZorange And i hadn't found anything.
    11:46 akaskr he just "doesn't lie", but then says bullshit like that
    11:50 JumpinAway darkstar's save is TRASH
    11:50 JumpinAway darkstar's save is TRASH
    11:52 ZZorange Meow Mix
    11:53 Suwako dont take him seriously
    11:55 ZZorange I was investigator that game
    11:56 [MOKC]Darkstar its good to have nubs in the game you guys
    11:58 ZZorange And I hadn't found anything
    11:58 ZZorange So
    11:58 JumpinAway i see his name and i insta -repick
    11:58 [MOKC]Darkstar fresh blood
    11:59 [MOKC]Darkstar its good
    12:01 ZZorange Thats up to you
    12:04 ZZorange To have good reading comprehension
    12:06 akaskr yes, there is a single game you said that and you were actually investigator
    12:12 JumpinAway o shit mm finally hit
    12:14 akaskr and there are other games youv'e said that and you WEREN'T investigator
    12:23 ZZorange ?
    12:23 akaskr hence, you saying nothing of value, but never "lying"
    12:30 [MOKC]Darkstar that sentence is meaningless
    12:35 [MOKC]Darkstar read it to yourself out loud
    12:35 Nameless wow
    12:37 JumpinAway rippp
    12:43 Suwako 1 is thrower
    12:45 Suwako (rofl)
    12:45 Nameless and here i was trying to watch 6
    12:46 ZZorange nope
    12:48 Suwako no you are
    12:49 akaskr you just play your bullshit gimmick, and lose >50% of games you play
    12:49 Prostagna 1 is thrower yeah
    12:52 Faan 1 you literally said nothing in jail then blamed it on kidnapper
    12:55 ZZorange bro
    12:59 [MOKC]Darkstar lol
    13:01 ZZorange You jailed someone who has 10 mafia roles blacklisted and 7 town roles preferred.
    13:05 ZZorange What did you think you were going to get?
    13:06 Suwako zzorange executed me when i claimed marshall to him in jail
    13:06 Suwako zzorange executed me when i claimed marshall to him in jail
    13:07 Faan how am I supposed to know?
    13:12 Faan what fucking roles you have
    13:15 ZZorange Isabella
    13:17 ZZorange I said repent your sins
    13:17 [MOKC]Darkstar yall need to take some chill pills and climb down odd eachothers weiners
    13:18 Prostagna you cant prefer 7 roles..
    13:19 akaskr other people have pretended to be you
    13:20 ZZorange And you didn't repent your sins.
    13:23 akaskr literally anyone can make the name "honest ____"
    13:23 [MOKC]Darkstar off*
    13:26 ZZorange I gave you a choice isabella.
    13:29 ZZorange You chose death.
    13:29 [MOKC]Darkstar odd weiners sounds pretty good too though
    13:30 Suwako i hate you
    13:33 JumpinAway LOL
    13:33 akaskr just because they have that name, doesn't mean they have evils blacklisted
    13:39 akaskr but nah, zzorange is right guys. don't worry
    13:43 ZZorange Thanks Meow Mix
    13:43 akaskr he's the smartest dude in the room, he knows it
    13:46 ZZorange for finally comin to ur senses
    13:51 [MOKC]Darkstar look at this!
    13:52 akaskr he definitely isn't just a troll
    13:52 [MOKC]Darkstar HARMONY!
    13:55 ZZorange I'm not a troll.
    14:01 akaskr exactly! NOT a troll! that's what I said! ;)
    14:07 ZZorange I also say I'm town literally everytime im town so
    14:07 [MOKC]Darkstar ZZO is a good player
    14:11 ZZorange If you follow the gimmick
    14:13 ZZorange You'll never mislynch
    14:16 [MOKC]Darkstar he just catches all the flack because hes high profile
    14:19 JumpinAway LMAO
    14:22 ZZorange Literally if you ever see me say
    14:23 ZZorange "I'm town"
    14:24 ZZorange I am town.
    14:26 ZZorange Full stop
    14:30 ZZorange so
    14:31 akaskr he catches flack because he goes against the meta, and then blames others
    14:32 ZZorange Its up to you Meow Mix
    14:35 ZZorange To have basic pattern recognition.
    14:39 ZZorange If you've played 500 games with a guy
    14:41 ZZorange And everytime he says
    14:43 ZZorange I'm Town
    14:44 ZZorange He's town
    14:47 JumpinAway -notafk
    14:47 akaskr if 90% of people will execute you because you don't reveal role to jailor
    14:48 ZZorange And you still guilty him
    14:49 ZZorange Is it really on him?
    14:51 ZZorange for your inability to recognize patterns?
    14:52 akaskr then it's kinda your fucking fault for getting executed
    14:57 ZZorange nope
    14:59 ZZorange aint on me chief
    15:01 JumpinAway What if they're new
    15:01 [MOKC]Darkstar this is becoming repetitive and circular in nature
    15:03 ZZorange If you dont want to failor
    15:05 ZZorange Dont jail me
    15:06 ZZorange its that simple.
    15:07 akaskr if 90% of people would execute you for not revealing role, then it's not everyone else that is wrong
    15:19 akaskr it doesn't matter what kind of pattern you pretend you have
    15:20 [MOKC]Darkstar new players are good, and theyre gonna amke mistakes
    15:23 ZZorange If you're new you learn your lesson pretty quick.
    15:23 [MOKC]Darkstar maf has a steep learning curve
    15:25 akaskr patterns don't mean shit in a game about LYING
    15:28 ZZorange If you continue to choose to jail me
    15:30 ZZorange And i continue to be town
    15:32 ZZorange That's on you.
    15:33 akaskr yes, and you'd think you'd learn your lesson that other people will execute you
    15:36 ZZorange The definition of insanity
    15:38 ZZorange Is doing the same thing
    15:42 ZZorange expecting a different result.
    15:42 Faan ok joker
    15:45 akaskr lol yes, thank you for agreeing! You're literally doing the exact same thing over and over
    15:48 ZZorange ?
    15:48 akaskr and hoping for a different outcome
    15:50 [MOKC]Darkstar dude, youre not a pyscologist, you learned that in a movie
    15:52 ZZorange You think I'm expecting people not to execute me?
    15:52 akaskr you're continuously NOT revealing role to jailor
    15:56 akaskr and hoping eventually that you won't get executed
    15:57 ZZorange I expect people to be bad and failor.
    15:59 ZZorange It doesn't surprise me.
    16:00 akaskr yet you get executed 90% of the time that happens
    16:04 akaskr yes, you do exemplify insanity
    16:07 akaskr thank you for proving my point
    16:08 ZZorange It's their choice to not failor though
    16:12 ZZorange If they want to failor thats between them and god.
    16:14 [MOKC]Darkstar all the greatest people in history were insane
    16:17 [MOKC]Darkstar look it up
    16:22 [MOKC]Darkstar all of em!
    16:32 akaskr I'm so glad we can finally come to an agreement that you're repeatedly doing the same thing over and over
    16:33 akaskr as you admitted
    16:35 ZZorange Yeah
    16:41 akaskr continuously NOT revealing role to jailor
    16:44 akaskr and expecting them to not execute you
    16:46 JumpinAway uhh wait did i miss something
    16:47 [MOKC]Darkstar dude 5, you are kicking a dead horse into its second death
    16:48 [MOKC]Darkstar give it a rest
    16:49 JumpinAway how'd they know it was 12
    16:49 akaskr when they continuously do
    16:50 ZZorange Well if they choose to execute
    16:52 ZZorange That's their choice.
    17:02 akaskr right, and it's your choice to continue your pattern of trolling
    17:05 ZZorange I'm not trolling.
    17:06 akaskr that's between you and god
    17:09 Prostagna ZZOrange, would you say you're a griefer for never revealing "because you shouldnt" ?
    17:14 ZZorange Whats up?
    17:17 [MOKC]Darkstar you are becoming quite annoying in your repitition, 5
    17:22 ZZorange I'll explain it to you after game
    17:25 ZZorange the logic
    17:43 akaskr it's very obvious, you're not playing to win, zzorange
    17:45 akaskr because if you were, you wouldn't use that strat
    17:46 ZZorange I am playing to win.
    17:46 [MOKC]Darkstar logic is like a hammer we can wield as a weapon against the ignorant
    17:53 JumpinAway hol up how'd you guys know 12 was mm
    17:55 [MOKC]Darkstar gg
    17:55 Isabella Hi
    17:59 Isabella He said it.
    17:59 [FCCCP]PaperTissue the escort and spy carried
    18:01 [UwUMob]ThiccBeefBoi 12 said he was mm
    18:04 JumpinAway oh i missed it
    18:04 JumpinAway lol
    18:04 [MOKC]Darkstar well done


    There are arguments to be made that one need not claim a role, or be honest with their role, every time they are jailed - for example if they suspect they have been kidnapped rather than jailed.

    However the highlighted messages imply that ZZorange believed he was jailed rather than kidnapped and wanted to be executed to "teach a lesson"

    Appeal Violations
    As ZZorange is currently on appeal from a permaban - I am including the conditions of that appeal here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    So as much as I indeed believe conditional appeal could work in a better way than just bashing staff/using smurf account/denying every charges, I must admit the writing style is confusing whether it's sarcasm or sincere to some extent.

    Just for the record, the initial conditions/ideas I suggested were :

    1 : Stop your default hate, including but not only : Marshall rampage (ignoring everything, and straight up going for the defaults), Jailor or Vigi hyper-focusing, LW forging only to get a default down. There will be no award at the end of the year delivered for the one who killed the most defaults.

    2 : While not considered as an offense, but as an unsportsmanlike way of playing, avoid witch-hunting as much as possible. In the same way keeping grudges over and over make the game less enjoyable for everyone.

    3 : Claim your role (and lw if possible) on the stand. Obviously when evil, play smart and don't open claim evil on the stand.

    4 : Play in a "normal" way. Before doing anything, think of it. If it reduces the quality of the game, better not to do it.

    5 : Pushing whoever you want (including defaults) is still possible but make it in a way the whole game does not become a ZZ vs Default brawl.
    3 - Claim your Role
    Being jailed is not nearly as clear cut as being on the stand due to the possibility of a kidnapper - especially on night 1. Insufficient evidence for a violation on this account.

    4 - Play in a "normal" way
    But there is a very strong case for a violation of not playing in a "normal" way. Refusing to reveal as town gov when jailed in order to "teach a lesson" is not playing in a "normal" way - it degrades the quality of the game for other players involved who are not familiar with the way ZZorange plays and it is not fair to them to expect them to know how ZZorange plays as a prerequisite for playing with ZZorange.

    Appeal violation

    Player Offenses
    Griefing
    Appeal violation

    Previous Offenses
    Griefing (May 2021, Permaban - Appealed)

    BLx2 appealed to a WLx3 (late January 2020)
    Intentional Gamethrowing
    Griefing?

    Gamethrowing (2011, KickVote),
    Skyping (2013, 2xKickVote),
    Skyping/Cheating (2013, 4xKickVote),
    Cheating/Skyping/Gamethrow/Griefing (2013, BLx2),
    Skyping (2013, Permabanned),
    Cheating/Skyping(2013, Already Permabanned)

    Recommended Action
    Recommended Action deferred to Warden.

    Additional Notes
    As Jimmy has already been permanently banned, no need to review his activity.

    And players with 20k or more points can prefer up to 10 roles.

    Thank you for taking the time to submit it in your effort to make the community a better place
    Last edited by Sheriff; May 28th, 2021 at 07:40 PM.

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    Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690

    I mean it's not so much evidence as it is reasoning behind my actions Arrow. I made a post about this elsewhere on the site, but I believe it is best for people who play the game they way I do, to not disclose their role in jail and I firmly stand by that. I don't think it's a form of metagaming as it's a part of the game itself, should prefer and blacklist be changed probably but it's hard coded into the game currently so.
    The only townie good enough to get banned for game-throwing in games that he wins.

 

 

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