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  1. #101

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    There are two persons here who can handshake I guess, sigh.
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    Screw you I actually have more grudges towards the people who have their names start with A

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  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    It seemed LagAttack failed to understand and adapt to the internet culture. Being racist inside a video game is not the same thing as being racist in real life. Oh, wait a minute.. Holy sh*t.. WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! I object to being called a racist!

    I'm hatin ol blacks, slavs, irish, asian, indian, arabs, jews, aryans, muslims, boers, etc. and racism is defined as having a prejudice against a particular ethnicity. I affirm and certify that Paopan hates everyone equally and will not be again considered racist. You can also call me the multiracial godfather of equality. So I suggest the mods to do their job and dismiss my case. *case adjourned*

    On a side note,
    #freepalestine
    Look at that, #10 out of the aforementioned 14 has joined the thread.

    You use racial slurs in mafia more often than 98.7% of the playerbase, so your opinion that your behavior is a part of "internet culture" is certainly not reflective of SC2 Mafia culture as you are a far outlier there.

    Actually, the fact that you consider frequent use of racial slurs and casual racism to be a part of "internet culture" speaks a lot to the parts of the internet that you frequent.

    ===

    But I have to ask, why are you posting here? Defending your perceived right to use racial slurs and casual racism in game? What are you looking to gain?

    I've played many game with you before, I've seen you in plenty of games just playing like a regular player - no racism, no slurs, just good fun.
    Actually scratch that, most games I've seen you in, you play significantly better than the average player - so I know you're able to do it - able to play normally sans racism.

    So I have to ask, what are you looking to gain here? Do you feel wronged for being punished for a behavior you thought was allowed?
    If that's the case, I hold no grudge with you - I just don't want to see slurs, racism, or hateful speech in game. If you were genuinely apologetic, recognized that hateful speech is harmful, if you were looking to discontinue using it in game, and if you were looking to discourage others (rather than encouraging them like I've seen you do) from using hateful speech... then I would be the first person to advocate for your watchlists to be appealed.

    But that's obviously not why you're here, as you defend your racial slur usage by saying it's okay because you "hate everyone equally"

    I do hope you change your mind though, and if you do, please let me know so I can be the first to advocate on your behalf.

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    It seemed LagAttack failed to understand and adapt to the internet culture. Being racist inside a video game is not the same thing as being racist in real life. Oh, wait a minute.. Holy sh*t.. WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! I object to being called a racist!

    I'm hatin ol blacks, slavs, irish, asian, indian, arabs, jews, aryans, muslims, boers, etc. and racism is defined as having a prejudice against a particular ethnicity. I affirm and certify that Paopan hates everyone equally and will not be again considered racist. You can also call me the multiracial godfather of equality. So I suggest the mods to do their job and dismiss my case. *case adjourned*

    On a side note,
    #freepalestine
    Your attitude might be ok where you come from.
    Just don't kid yourself into thinking that's the case anywhere else including here.

  5. #105

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    Okay fine, I admit that I was just fooling around here. FYI, yes. I never throw my games. If I think of something I think is evil, but has no leads on it. I'll just say ex. "5 is a jew, vote him up". You can take it as my unique way of voting up someone for a role claim. If I'm evil, well. Random lynching is always a (+) on us.

    That's not my point. My point about the internet culture is you don't have to take everything you've read on the internet seriously. Also, damn.. how did I become racist online where I really know who am I and have no shred of racism in my body. I don't even care if people are racist or not.

    Seemed like there are testimonies similar to mine.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c...scovered_that/
    Last edited by Yuesford; May 16th, 2021 at 04:16 AM.

  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    Look at that, #10 out of the aforementioned 14 has joined the thread.

    You use racial slurs in mafia more often than 98.7% of the playerbase, so your opinion that your behavior is a part of "internet culture" is certainly not reflective of SC2 Mafia culture as you are a far outlier there.

    Actually, the fact that you consider frequent use of racial slurs and casual racism to be a part of "internet culture" speaks a lot to the parts of the internet that you frequent.

    ===

    But I have to ask, why are you posting here? Defending your perceived right to use racial slurs and casual racism in game? What are you looking to gain?

    I've played many game with you before, I've seen you in plenty of games just playing like a regular player - no racism, no slurs, just good fun.
    Actually scratch that, most games I've seen you in, you play significantly better than the average player - so I know you're able to do it - able to play normally sans racism.

    So I have to ask, what are you looking to gain here? Do you feel wronged for being punished for a behavior you thought was allowed?
    If that's the case, I hold no grudge with you - I just don't want to see slurs, racism, or hateful speech in game. If you were genuinely apologetic, recognized that hateful speech is harmful, if you were looking to discontinue using it in game, and if you were looking to discourage others (rather than encouraging them like I've seen you do) from using hateful speech... then I would be the first person to advocate for your watchlists to be appealed.

    But that's obviously not why you're here, as you defend your racial slur usage by saying it's okay because you "hate everyone equally"

    I do hope you change your mind though, and if you do, please let me know so I can be the first to advocate on your behalf.
    Wow, maybe you should become his lawyer too!
    You could work out a contract!

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  11. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    I quickly wrote some python code to parse the 373 games I have played in since returning to SC2Mafia.

    For simplicity I just calculated usages of the n-word - since almost every player that thinks racism is fun uses that slur often

    For each player I played with I calculated:
    • The number of games I've played with them
    • The number of games in which they used the slur
    • The total number of times they used the slur


    And for each game I counted the number of times the slur was used in the game.

    Here are the results:
    Game Statistics
    • 62.2% (232/373) games do not have the slur in them at all
    • 90.8% (339/373) games have the slur used 4 or less times in total among all players over the course of the game
    • Only 4.3% (16/373) games have the slur used more than 10 times in total


    Player Statistics
    • 89.4% (693/775) of the players I've played with have literally NEVER used the word
    • 96.0% (744/775) of the players have used the word only 4 times or less over ALL games I've played with them
    • That bottom of the barrel 4.0% contributes 93.9% (1491/1588 ) of the usages of the word
    • When you filter out players whom I've played less than 5 games with, there are only 14 players who have used the word more than 10 times
    • These 14 "regulars" contribute 67.6% (1074/1588 ) of the usages usages of the word


    Now this was just looking at a single (albeit by far the most common) slur - but all manners of slurs likely follow a very similar distribution.

    SC2 Mafia's racism problems are NOT due to a widespread problem with the "culture" of the game. The problems are NOT due to new players or infrequent players that use the game as a playground to grief. The problems are created and perpetuated by a very small but very vocal group of regular players that push the idea that using slurs and casual racism is okay. It's not.

    I've seen these people claim that "everyone" uses slurs or racism in mafia - so fighting the problem isn't possible. That's simply not true. The group that contribute the large majority of the problem isn't even large enough to fill a full 15 player lobby.
    This aligns with my personal observation. Racism is not a widespread problem within the Mafia community.
    Many find it distasteful and leave the community because of it.
    But at any given point in time, there is a vocal minority of racist griefers who ruin the game for the playerbase.

    I'm interested to see and run your Python code through my save files.
    Could you share it to me in a PM?


    Your friendly neighbourhood Asian.

  12. #112

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    I quickly wrote some python code to parse the 373 games I have played in since returning to SC2Mafia.

    For simplicity I just calculated usages of the n-word - since almost every player that thinks racism is fun uses that slur often

    For each player I played with I calculated:
    • The number of games I've played with them
    • The number of games in which they used the slur
    • The total number of times they used the slur


    And for each game I counted the number of times the slur was used in the game.

    Here are the results:
    Game Statistics
    • 62.2% (232/373) games do not have the slur in them at all
    • 90.8% (339/373) games have the slur used 4 or less times in total among all players over the course of the game
    • Only 4.3% (16/373) games have the slur used more than 10 times in total


    Player Statistics
    • 89.4% (693/775) of the players I've played with have literally NEVER used the word
    • 96.0% (744/775) of the players have used the word only 4 times or less over ALL games I've played with them
    • That bottom of the barrel 4.0% contributes 93.9% (1491/1588 ) of the usages of the word
    • When you filter out players whom I've played less than 5 games with, there are only 14 players who have used the word more than 10 times
    • These 14 "regulars" contribute 67.6% (1074/1588 ) of the usages usages of the word


    Now this was just looking at a single (albeit by far the most common) slur - but all manners of slurs likely follow a very similar distribution.

    SC2 Mafia's racism problems are NOT due to a widespread problem with the "culture" of the game. The problems are NOT due to new players or infrequent players that use the game as a playground to grief. The problems are created and perpetuated by a very small but very vocal group of regular players that push the idea that using slurs and casual racism is okay. It's not.

    I've seen these people claim that "everyone" uses slurs or racism in mafia - so fighting the problem isn't possible. That's simply not true. The group that contribute the large majority of the problem isn't even large enough to fill a full 15 player lobby.
    yo wtf again?? HOW R U MOR XTRA THN ME?!?

    i mea, it's a prtty smrt ide to jst se thes ppl as shtbags. xtra shity with whpped crem on top.

    im gonna laugh so hard when the next two people i report for racism get punished, xDD
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  13. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    It is the same underlying principle. That being:

    stupid excuses for bullshit.

    You shouldn't be offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apparently taking issue with this behavior is a "mental problem", actually it is the reverse.
    People create these "mental problems" themselves. I didn't say people were crazy lol
    Last edited by Oberon; May 17th, 2021 at 01:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    A forum is essentially the same as private property. Owners reserve the right to remove people at their discretion. You have been given consent to come here, that consent can be rescinded.

    What legal grounds do you have for ignoring a request to leave private property in real life, let alone on the internet?
    i have a dgree in poroprty law, u rong.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  19. #119

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    I quickly wrote some python code to parse the 373 games I have played in since returning to SC2Mafia.

    For simplicity I just calculated usages of the n-word - since almost every player that thinks racism is fun uses that slur often

    For each player I played with I calculated:
    • The number of games I've played with them
    • The number of games in which they used the slur
    • The total number of times they used the slur


    And for each game I counted the number of times the slur was used in the game.

    Here are the results:
    Game Statistics
    • 62.2% (232/373) games do not have the slur in them at all
    • 90.8% (339/373) games have the slur used 4 or less times in total among all players over the course of the game
    • Only 4.3% (16/373) games have the slur used more than 10 times in total


    Player Statistics
    • 89.4% (693/775) of the players I've played with have literally NEVER used the word
    • 96.0% (744/775) of the players have used the word only 4 times or less over ALL games I've played with them
    • That bottom of the barrel 4.0% contributes 93.9% (1491/1588 ) of the usages of the word
    • When you filter out players whom I've played less than 5 games with, there are only 14 players who have used the word more than 10 times
    • These 14 "regulars" contribute 67.6% (1074/1588 ) of the usages usages of the word


    Now this was just looking at a single (albeit by far the most common) slur - but all manners of slurs likely follow a very similar distribution.

    SC2 Mafia's racism problems are NOT due to a widespread problem with the "culture" of the game. The problems are NOT due to new players or infrequent players that use the game as a playground to grief. The problems are created and perpetuated by a very small but very vocal group of regular players that push the idea that using slurs and casual racism is okay. It's not.

    I've seen these people claim that "everyone" uses slurs or racism in mafia - so fighting the problem isn't possible. That's simply not true. The group that contribute the large majority of the problem isn't even large enough to fill a full 15 player lobby.
    It wasn't really a problem until you made it a problem. Good job

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  23. #123

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    It wasn't really a problem until you made it a problem. Good job
    "Yeah, me being as purposefully offensive as possible is definitely not a problem. It’s not a problem that I’m trying to make people as mad as possible. The fact that you’re mad that I’m being a piece of shit is your problem, not mine. Fucking virgin."
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    How dare you send me another box of cereal
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    congrats you're an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
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    I'm sure.. 100% clownbomber16 is scum. I'll suck my own dick if I'm wrong.
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    if you are still confused i have a stellar comeback which involves more insulting of the french.

  24. #124

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    My hot take:

    People have problems that they create for themselves. This does not make them "bad" and doesn't necessarily make them stupid. Some people just watch too much TV.
    That being said, I do believe there is nothing wrong with saying the n word or pedo stuff, especially in SC2Mafia, which is a very trolly place.

  25. #125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    “Yeah, me being as purposefully offensive as possible is definitely not a problem. It’s not a problem that I’m trying to make people as mad as possible. The fact that you’re mad that I’m being a piece of shit is your problem, not mine. Fucking virgin.”
    This is probably a better argument than "racism". At least it's more honest, which already makes it a better argument.

  26. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    My hot take:

    People have problems that they create for themselves. This does not make them "bad" and doesn't necessarily make them stupid. Some people just watch too much TV.
    That being said, I do believe there is nothing wrong with saying the n word or pedo stuff, especially in SC2Mafia, which is a very trolly place.
    Luckily this inane belief will have no policy changes here in sc2mafia.

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  27. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I agree 100% with it
    I would agree with you if you meant only cases where the person offended is treated with dignity and respect.

    But that's not the case. You're talking about an absolute statement, so you're including cases where the offended is being diminished as a person.

    Without being offended, slavery would still exist and women would still have no rights.

    If a retard was made fun of for being a retard by his community, even those closest to him, and ended up killing him/herself. Hey, it was his choice for being offended - that's what you're saying.

    Go remind your grandparents every day that they're old. Go remind a local cripple that they can't walk and laugh about it.
    Don't worry - if they get offended; you can just say it was their choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    It wasn't really a problem until you made it a problem. Good job
    If you wish to be offensive, then why be surprised if people are offended?

    Isn’t that the objective? Mission accomplished?
    Last edited by OzyWho; May 21st, 2021 at 01:16 PM.
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  29. #129

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I'm talking about sc2mafia and people spamming n**ger
    Next time you agree with an 'absolute statement', you might want to elaborate on that beforehand.

    Unless you want to argue for arguing sake and waste other people's time, ofc.
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  30. #130

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    My hot take:

    People have problems that they create for themselves. This does not make them "bad" and doesn't necessarily make them stupid. Some people just watch too much TV.
    That being said, I do believe there is nothing wrong with saying the n word or pedo stuff, especially in SC2Mafia, which is a very trolly place.
    My cold take:

    People have limits/boundaries. Everyone has something that sets them off. You can talk all the shit you want to me, I've heard it all before, I have no shits left to give. But if someone talks shit about my family they're going to end up with a missing leg.

    You have some kind of boundary to deal with your parents (allegedly. I've got no idea if that's true or not but it's the example I'm gonna use here). How is that any different than someone having a boundary with racism or pedophilia? If I or someone I know had a bad experience with a pedophile at a young age I'd absolutely not be comfortable with it here. I'd appreciate the steps that aamirus and the administrative team are taking to make it less of an issue in the game and within the outer community. I would be very thankful that steps are being taken to respect my boundaries.

    You wouldn't be ok with someone making fun of your parents. I wouldn't be ok with someone making fun of my parents. Why is it ok to make jokes about pedophiles?

    Before I post something I do a test: I read my post out loud as though I'm explaining it to someone. If I can't explain "why" it's funny without thinking I sound like a complete fucking sociopath it's probably because it's not funny.
    Last edited by Stealthbomber16; May 21st, 2021 at 01:59 PM.
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    How dare you send me another box of cereal
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    congrats you're an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    I'm sure.. 100% clownbomber16 is scum. I'll suck my own dick if I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Plotato View Post
    if you are still confused i have a stellar comeback which involves more insulting of the french.

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    I don't understand why you feel the burning desire to insert your opinion on racism and pedophilia here oberon. Why don't you find some alt-right site to post this dribble? Everyone except maybe a couple of randos don't appreciate seeing this spew.

    Do you think people are going to laud your stand for allowing pedophilia in the arcade? Or are you just trying to stir people up because you're bored?

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    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  33. #133

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    I agree, getting offended is a choice when on the internet.

    It's a whole different thing when someone called you a retard or a n*gger on the internet compared to a friend or a fellow you are personally working with. So yeah, I don't really care much about it even if they my mother a hussy.
    Last edited by Yuesford; May 21st, 2021 at 04:55 PM.

  34. #134

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella View Post
    It wasn't really a problem until you made it a problem. Good job
    UWOWU HEWWO!!!
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  35. #135

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, I am actually a person who gets offended rather easily, and often times I come to the conclusion that I am unreasonable doing so. Most things are just jokes; treat them as such. Nuff said
    NUFF, SNUFFITY PUFF, PUFF WUFF WUFF,

    guys i've a proposal to make. uninstall sc2 and quit using the internet. wtf r u all doing here???
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

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    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I'm curious what the punchline of saying "I RAPE KIDS" or spamming n*gger 50 times is. Jokes are supposed to have a punchline or a funny bit, no? What is funny about spamming n*gger 50 times? I don't understand the joke, could you explain?
    They lack attention, and doing this fills that void imho.

    Something strange just happened to me.
    In my language these are 2 entirely different things: attention deficiency and attention disorder. Translating it directly didn't work because English has ADHD - which has both of the words in it whilst only having the meaning of one.

    What is it called in English what I just described?
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  38. #138

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    They lack attention, and doing this fills that void imho.

    Something strange just happened to me.
    In my language these are 2 entirely different things: attention deficiency and attention disorder. Translating it directly didn't work because English has ADHD - which has both of the words in it whilst only having the meaning of one.

    What is it called in English what I just described?
    Histrionic personality disorder

  39. #139

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    They lack attention, and doing this fills that void imho.

    Something strange just happened to me.
    In my language these are 2 entirely different things: attention deficiency and attention disorder. Translating it directly didn't work because English has ADHD - which has both of the words in it whilst only having the meaning of one.

    What is it called in English what I just described?
    You'd probably just say they're desperate for attention, a prima donna, a drama queen, a showoff, etc. depending on the context of what they do
    Last edited by aamirus; May 21st, 2021 at 06:51 PM.
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    this will put all of you in your place
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    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    congrats you're an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    I'm sure.. 100% clownbomber16 is scum. I'll suck my own dick if I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Plotato View Post
    if you are still confused i have a stellar comeback which involves more insulting of the french.

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    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    If the mods are Tychus, who got the trigger for the bomb they're wearing?
    as an ex-mod i can tell you this is @Arrow
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    congrats you're an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuesford View Post
    I'm sure.. 100% clownbomber16 is scum. I'll suck my own dick if I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Plotato View Post
    if you are still confused i have a stellar comeback which involves more insulting of the french.

  43. #143

    Re: Racist names (yes this again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post


    this will put all of you in your place
    wtf is this supposed to prove
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

 

 

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