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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Eh. I think the solve is pOrNHAcK + SJ.

    Oberon / Auwt do seem suspicious ..but it's more likely that SJ is taking Oberon for a ride and whatever Auwt's new strategy is hasn't really hit home.

    Again, do I think SJ would do something like that? Sure why not. The counterclaim and subsequent pivot to 'im tracker but im not' was enough to move everyone's vote off the two slots. That's in addition to the fact that almost everyone here believes Numbertwo is the real tracker.

    I'll give credit to a possible town play of adding yet another level of wifom over Numbertwo's claim but still, if the claim is true Mafia was already looking at a gamble. There was no reason for it. In my mind, only scum or citizen make that play.

    More on Oberon; I think he's being lead on by Superjack's suggestion that he wouldn't do something so scummy. We are stacked with at least 5 players in this game who would not give a flying fuck about what they say and would gaslight their way to victory. I'm not really huge on meta but in this case, it makes sense to bring it up.

    More on SJ; I was more curious as to the lack of pushback on other players who suggested the same things I did in my first major post about you. In fact, most of my points were parroting their thoughts because I was didn't read the damn thread like a dummy though I did elaborate on them more. You seemed more focused on taking those elaborations out of the conversation and got 3+ replies wondering what the hell you were talking about. I don't know if I struck something specific in there but it'll be worth looking at if I'm whacked at night.

    Anyway unfortunately for me and fortunately for you, I can't really vote SJ after this wifom mess that's been created. If it's a legit big ball play, cheers. Otherwise I'll need to go with PQR here.

    I needed to look into Blink/Auwt a little more but honestly nothing is pinging me about them much.

    -vote pqrnhack
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    I suppose that makes me feel better about Blink/Numbertwo. Whether or not they believe I just ripped off their talking points, it was a nice mind meld when I looked back and saw we had similar thinking.

    Even though Blink could totally just fake that shit lol
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by ZZorange View Post
    i got nothin else 2 say just outed town doin town stuff so after we lynch auwt i guess ill vote the guy who said i was sheepin since people who try 2 doubt confirmed town r usually evil.
    ay zztops wanna vote for pqrnhack?
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Auwt got Lynched
    Spoiler : Votes :
    Auwt (3 [L-2]):
    SuperJack, Oberon, ZZorange
    ZZorange (2 [L-3]):
    PQRnHack, Numbertwo
    PQRnHack (2 [L-3]):
    blinkskater, Frinckles
    Oberon (1 [L-4]):
    Auwt

    Auwt's role was...
    Spoiler : :
    Mafia Goon

    Day2 will start in:
    • 00

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    DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS



    Last edited by OzyWho; May 10th, 2021 at 03:02 PM.

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Interesting developments. And poor ZZorange, Maf's retaliation for him wanting Auwt lynched!

    Oberon's commentary so far seems very reasonable, and I can see SJ CCing Tracker as Town here in order to create some chaos to help generate leads in RVS.

    I think Numbertwo is a legit Town Tracker or one of the other townies in col C or row 3, which allowed him to know that a Tracker exists. But would a Doc make this risky play just to out the real Tracker (if CC'ed) to protect (and expose himself)? A bulletproof townie might do so to attract the nightly shot, although Maf is less likely to fall for it given the likelihood of Doc (or maybe it's a really deep play where he claims Tracker trying to get Mafia to think he's Doc (mentioned col C before) and tries to use that vest to prevent kill N1).

    Frinckles trying to get ZZorange to vote me in the final moments of D1 could have been an attempt to save Auwt. Keep eyes on that guy.

    blinkskater also sus. Says "So scum would be auwt, frinckles, PQR" then votes me instead of joining existing votes on Auwt. Frinckles later votes me as well.

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Last scum, you're unbelievably rude for killing our new player on N1. You deserve DEATH.
    Plus, I have no clue why they didn't kill Oberon instead lol. He's basically confirmed town for his great contribution yesterday (not mechanically confirmed, but it'd take a pretty damn convincing case for me to ever vote him). Either him or SJ would have been good targets.
    And sorry for being retarded yesterday I guess XD.

    So, by PoE:
    MM, duh
    Oberon is town and MVP as I already said.
    SuperJack is town for obvious reasons (the whole situation around him, but also and perhaps most importantly the fact he was an active and strongly opposed counterwagon to flipped scum Auwt).
    Numbertwo because he should be what he claims to be, since he's un-CCed. IF ANYONE WANTS TO CC HIM AND LYNCH HIM, IT'S TODAY OR NEVER. THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUM LEFT, SO THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR CCING LATER. Outside of this, he's confirmed town.

    Frinckles for strongly initiating the Auwt wagon and keeping the fuel in it, and for not jumping on SJ (I'm aware it's slightly hypocritical of me to use that as a town tell when I jumped on SJ myself, but hindsight gives me an hypocrisy pass!). I put him in a different category because he's Frinckles the scum mastermind and it's not totally beyond him to pull such a play, even though he's really towny.

    Leaving:
    Blink
    PQ
    (MM from an external point of view, I guess)


    I mildly townread Blink. You know what this means... I'd vote him, but I feel like he has enough honor not to kill a new player on N1. PQ, on the other hand... I mean, you're nice and I like you, but I feel like you very well could do that plus, there's nothing else to significantly read you on, which means I am to cast you into the deepest part of hell.
    -vote PQRnHack
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Auwt (voted out at L-2) cast his only vote on Oberon, about half an hour before D1's end. Wonder why he didn't add a vote to ZZorange or myself (both at L-3) to force a tiebreaker. If both other scums had their votes on ZZ or myself, then he could have just put his vote on the guy with 0 maf votes to avoid putting attention on the other 2 maf. And if only 0-1 maf had their votes on ZZ and myself (each), then seems like it would be safe to go ahead and vote either one of us?

    I have to wonder if ZZorange was killed N1, in part, to frame me and make it appear that Auwt didn't put up a tiebreaking vote on me because I am also maf. And I also had my vote on ZZorange, which adds more potential for mafia to be trying to make me look like scum here.

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Last scum, you're unbelievably rude for killing our new player on N1. You deserve DEATH.
    Plus, I have no clue why they didn't kill Oberon instead lol. He's basically confirmed town for his great contribution yesterday (not mechanically confirmed, but it'd take a pretty damn convincing case for me to ever vote him). Either him or SJ would have been good targets.
    And sorry for being retarded yesterday I guess XD.

    So, by PoE:
    MM, duh
    Oberon is town and MVP as I already said.
    SuperJack is town for obvious reasons (the whole situation around him, but also and perhaps most importantly the fact he was an active and strongly opposed counterwagon to flipped scum Auwt).
    Numbertwo because he should be what he claims to be, since he's un-CCed. IF ANYONE WANTS TO CC HIM AND LYNCH HIM, IT'S TODAY OR NEVER. THERE'S ONLY ONE SCUM LEFT, SO THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR CCING LATER. Outside of this, he's confirmed town.

    Frinckles for strongly initiating the Auwt wagon and keeping the fuel in it, and for not jumping on SJ (I'm aware it's slightly hypocritical of me to use that as a town tell when I jumped on SJ myself, but hindsight gives me an hypocrisy pass!). I put him in a different category because he's Frinckles the scum mastermind and it's not totally beyond him to pull such a play, even though he's really towny.

    Leaving:
    Blink
    PQ
    (MM from an external point of view, I guess)


    I mildly townread Blink. You know what this means... I'd vote him, but I feel like he has enough honor not to kill a new player on N1. PQ, on the other hand... I mean, you're nice and I like you, but I feel like you very well could do that plus, there's nothing else to significantly read you on, which means I am to cast you into the deepest part of hell.
    -vote PQRnHack
    MM I didn't start the Auwt wagon. Im guessing your mistaken. You should probably run through my ISO again.
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    It's 4 votes to hammer. So if 2 townies put up a vote on a townie, then it can be day over (after maf add their own 2 votes). For this reason, I think it is suboptimal for townies to be casting formal votes this early. Tentative votes and further discussion over the next 48 hours is what I would recommend. For instance, if MM is townie and just voted me up, then it takes only another 2nd townie to potentially lead to me getting lynched. Granted, this can quickly reveal who the remaining 2 mafias but the outcome would be our 5v2 reducing to 4v2 at end of D2, then 3v2 if they get a kill N2.

    Furthermore, we haven't had the opportunity to hear of any leads (how about it, Tracker?) so MM's voting so early feels even more planned.

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    I think it's safe to say Oberon, SJ, #2 are lock town at this point in time. I don't think I'd ever consider voting Oberon or SJ. If #2 comes out with a track and isn't CC'D I'd say I would never vote him as well.

    Now onto MM I'm reading his play as town right now and I've never really been wrong reading him as town. I'm not going to hedge on that now. His logic day 1 also reminded me of town MM tunneling onto SJ'S strange behavior and scum reading him for it. Funny that Oberon was actually the one who logically IMO read SJ correctly day 1.

    That puts SJ, Oberon, #2, MM in a pool of players I strongly town read and probably never would vote.

    That only leaves frinckles and PQR in a pool of players that I don't town read for any reason at all. I still feel the same as day 1. I can't see myself voting anywhere aside from there. PQR was fast to say that frinckles vote on him EOD was an effort to save AUWT which I found a bit defensive from PQR. SO that being said.
    -vote PQRNhack
    This isn't where i parked my car.....

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    The reason I scumread AUWT was because his only defense seem'd to be "IDK why people are voting me."

    Auwt's insistence on SJ and Oberon being scum because they were mind melding was also a p bad argument. I mean that was the "easy" push because of SJ's un orthodox D1 behavior. When AUWT is scum that's usually exactly how he plays
    This isn't where i parked my car.....

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    MM I didn't start the Auwt wagon. Im guessing your mistaken. You should probably run through my ISO again.
    I just looked back and... well, I was sure that post was yours, but no, it was SJ's. Oh well. I guess you're also part of the PoE, then.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Auwt (voted out at L-2) cast his only vote on Oberon, about half an hour before D1's end. Wonder why he didn't add a vote to ZZorange or myself (both at L-3) to force a tiebreaker. If both other scums had their votes on ZZ or myself, then he could have just put his vote on the guy with 0 maf votes to avoid putting attention on the other 2 maf. And if only 0-1 maf had their votes on ZZ and myself (each), then seems like it would be safe to go ahead and vote either one of us?

    I have to wonder if ZZorange was killed N1, in part, to frame me and make it appear that Auwt didn't put up a tiebreaking vote on me because I am also maf. And I also had my vote on ZZorange, which adds more potential for mafia to be trying to make me look like scum here.
    I feel like ZZorange was killed randomly. The complicated plays you're talking about are simply less efficient than the standard plays, which would have been to kill the obvious townies. If scum had thought about the kill, they'd have concluded it was best to kill Oberon or SJ. Or perhaps even #2 if they believed the Tracker claim and wanted to risk it despite the possibility of doc heal.

    Also, seeing your other posts, you seem to have missed something: there is only one scum left. It's a 7v2 setup, and we got one scum down. Voting is perfectly fine atm. Hammering isn't, though, as we need both the time to discuss and the Tracker's info.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I feel like ZZorange was killed randomly. The complicated plays you're talking about are simply less efficient than the standard plays, which would have been to kill the obvious townies. If scum had thought about the kill, they'd have concluded it was best to kill Oberon or SJ. Or perhaps even #2 if they believed the Tracker claim and wanted to risk it despite the possibility of doc heal.

    Also, seeing your other posts, you seem to have missed something: there is only one scum left. It's a 7v2 setup, and we got one scum down. Voting is perfectly fine atm. Hammering isn't, though, as we need both the time to discuss and the Tracker's info.
    I'm not sure how to feel about thats it's quite obvious there's only 2 scum in the game when it's clear PQR has looked at the setup.

    ZZ was a safe kill, he was essentially confirmed town, and highly likely for the kill to go thru.
    This isn't where i parked my car.....

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    wasup wasup. my poe is still exactly the same, minus AUWT obviously.

    Frinckles or PQR.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I just looked back and... well, I was sure that post was yours, but no, it was SJ's. Oh well. I guess you're also part of the PoE, then.
    Yeah the candidates today are myself along with Blinkskater, PQRnHack.

    For all my paranoia, SuperJack can be considered. He could be bussing.

    Oberon and MM, I don't really know. Probably just town.

    Waiting for Numbertwo's check.
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Also, seeing your other posts, you seem to have missed something: there is only one scum left. It's a 7v2 setup, and we got one scum down. Voting is perfectly fine atm. Hammering isn't, though, as we need both the time to discuss and the Tracker's info.
    Oh crap, that's quite a miss lol. I guess just because it's been so many weeks since I first signed up that i forgot the setup. For some reason I thought it was a 6v3, not 7v2. That changes a lot.

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Still curious though why didn't Auwt put up a vote on ZZ or myself to tie the votes? He was online 30 mins before day's end and put his vote on Oberon. Can someone from the vets explain this to me?
    That's one reason I'm considering SJ a lynch candidate as well. If Auwt intended to survive, he did a fairly poor job of it there. If his death was pre-planned, however, that's a different issue entirely.

    I for one welcome the discussion as to whether auwt and sj said
    "Lets bus lul"
    "Haha k"
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    So, I'll suggest we all look at whether Auwt/SJ interactions seem fabricated first.

    Then if we reach a consensus where that's not probable, we bring the lynch pool back to the aforementioned three.

    Me, PQRnHack, Blinkskater and we can duke it out from there.
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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    While we wait for our Tracker to speak up...

    QUestion to the vets... How many games have you seen in which Mafia votes their own Mafia, resulting in a lynch? Does that ever happen? In other words, should we be considering any of Auwt's voters (SJ, Oberon) at all as a big brain long con play? I tend to think not (given 7v2 must be hard for mafia), but wanted to hear from more experienced FM players here.

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    Re: Matrix6 (9P)

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Asswipes, don't turn me into a clown just because I thought there was a 3rd mafia. Clearly, I am the 2nd and last mafia and I was just trying to throw you off with my misunderstanding of the setup. Just like Frinckles throwing us off with his mastery of the mafia "Goon".
    I was just teasing Blink, what are you on about? Or are you conceding?
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