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  2. #102

    Re: The future "racism"

    I didn't actually say autism wasn't a spectrum. In fact the whole notion of there being a dividing line between autism and non-autism implies a spectrum. What I was arguing against was the claim that the spectrum ran from "normal" people all the way to people with severe autism. In my estimation that is similar to saying there is a schizophrenic spectrum and that "everyone" is on it. The difference between people with autism, and regular people, is so great, that there can't possibly be a spectrum running from "normal" to autistic. Any more than there is a "spectrum" of schizophrenia, which is an absurd idea.
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  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I didn't actually say autism wasn't a spectrum. In fact the whole notion of there being a dividing line between autism and non-autism implies a spectrum. What I was arguing against was the claim that the spectrum ran from "normal" people all the way to people with severe autism. In my estimation that is similar to saying there is a schizophrenic spectrum and that "everyone" is on it. The difference between people with autism, and regular people, is so great, that there can't possibly be a spectrum running from "normal" to autistic. Any more than there is a "spectrum" of schizophrenia, which is an absurd idea.
    There is a schizophrenia spectrum lmao.

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    There is a schizophrenia spectrum lmao.
    Maybe for schizophrenics, but "normal" people don't belong on that spectrum. There is no spectrum for something qualitative like "hears voices".
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  5. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Maybe for schizophrenics, but "normal" people don't belong on that spectrum. There is no spectrum for something qualitative like "hears voices".
    There are schizophrenia spectrum disorders where people do not hear voices.

    In fact hearing voices is not a required symptom for schizophrenia diagnosis.

  6. #106

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    Fair enough, but that doesn't mean most people are on it
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  7. #107

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    And the point of my example was the kid had something trigger him. Your post where you said your inability to read social queues comes and goes implies this is inconsistent behavior. What I am putting forward is perhaps, hypothetically speaking if you are autistic, you also have your own trigger you do not realize which makes your inability to read social queues seem like it "comes an goes" or in other words seem inconsistent. This is why I said my previous post, because this is literally an example of my brother. His symptoms come and go, and its a constant battle to identify what triggers him and how to resolve/deal with it.

    Autistic people can in fact be incredibly normal for a good portion of time.
    Have you considered that, perhaps, your brother acts "normally" because he's learned to act that way - not because he actually is normal?
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  8. #108

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Yea the autism spectrum system leads to a lot more diagnosis than before. I think better data would be number with Asperger's syndrome.
    How does this fit with your claim that everyone is autistic (to a lesser or greater degree)?
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  9. #109

    Re: The future "racism"

    What you all are discussing is the categorical vs dimensional approach to classifying mental disorder, which is a major topic of debate. This isn't a question that has an objective answer because we don't really know what causes mental disorder or how mental disorders work. Biologically, it is plausible that either or both can be responsible for a particular mental disorder (i.e. a on/off model for a mental disorder or a spectrum ranging from normal to completely disordered can both be explained biologically).

    I'm personally of the belief that most disorders are more or less continuous from neurotypical to "fully" disordered. For example, some people find making off-colour jokes that hurt other's feelings to be okay, a trait I find indicating a mildly "autistic" form of lack of social understanding. Similarly, some otherwise neurotypical people people will have more whimsical personalities and/or believe in conspiracies, which is a mild form of delusion that I consider to be on the schizophrenia spectrum, so to speak, without being necessarily harmful to one's life.

    Ultimately the only objective discussion we can have with our current understanding of mental disorder is how much the categorical vs dimensional approaches help with treatment. The idea of discrete mental disorders is ultimately a useful way of classifying symptoms into convenient boxes so that we can treat them more effectively. If you take two people with schizophrenia they can often have wildly different symptoms, the biological underpinnings of each person's disorder can be completely different, and the treatments that help both people can also be very different, but we say they both have schizophrenia. It seems that the psychology community is moving more and more towards the dimensional approach of classification.

  10. #110

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    we don't really know what causes mental disorder
    There are some known causes ftr.
    Taking valproate in combination with other antiepileptic drugs while pregnant is almost guaranteed the child to be autistic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  11. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    There are some known causes ftr.
    Taking valproate in combination with other antiepileptic drugs while pregnant is almost guaranteed the child to be autistic.
    Oh sure, I meant more that we don't know how biological variation causes mental disorder, even when we might know some of the biological underpinnings.

    Mostly because we also don't really have a comprehensive model of consciousness.

  12. #112

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    What you all are discussing is the categorical vs dimensional approach to classifying mental disorder, which is a major topic of debate. This isn't a question that has an objective answer because we don't really know what causes mental disorder or how mental disorders work. Biologically, it is plausible that either or both can be responsible for a particular mental disorder (i.e. a on/off model for a mental disorder or a spectrum ranging from normal to completely disordered can both be explained biologically).

    I'm personally of the belief that most disorders are more or less continuous from neurotypical to "fully" disordered. For example, some people find making off-colour jokes that hurt other's feelings to be okay, a trait I find indicating a mildly "autistic" form of lack of social understanding. Similarly, some otherwise neurotypical people people will have more whimsical personalities and/or believe in conspiracies, which is a mild form of delusion that I consider to be on the schizophrenia spectrum, so to speak, without being necessarily harmful to one's life.

    Ultimately the only objective discussion we can have with our current understanding of mental disorder is how much the categorical vs dimensional approaches help with treatment. The idea of discrete mental disorders is ultimately a useful way of classifying symptoms into convenient boxes so that we can treat them more effectively. If you take two people with schizophrenia they can often have wildly different symptoms, the biological underpinnings of each person's disorder can be completely different, and the treatments that help both people can also be very different, but we say they both have schizophrenia. It seems that the psychology community is moving more and more towards the dimensional approach of classification.
    I agree for the most part but I don't understand what the last paragraph has to do with dimensionality, unless you're saying that the symptoms a schizophrenic experiences differ based on how severe their illness is? Is that what you're saying?
    Last edited by Oberon; May 3rd, 2021 at 06:49 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
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    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
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    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
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    Yeah I donít read or care to that much. I just vote correctly and thatís that.

  13. #113

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I agree for the most part but I don't understand what the last paragraph has to do with dimensionality, unless you're saying that the symptoms a schizophrenic experiences differ based on how severe their illness is? Is that what you're saying?
    My point is that the way we classify mental disorders as distinct form eachother doesn't necessarily come from any sort of shared underlying biological causes, or even that they necessarily always present in the same way, but in ways that benefit treatment. What we call "schizophrenia" may well be a bunch of different disorders with different genetic and environmental causes that happen to look the same, we don't really know yet. That different treatments work or don't work depending on the patient seems to partially support this, anyway.

    Culture and context also plays a big role. I read some literature once (can't find it right now) that suggested that the reason autism rates are so low in Africa is partially because the traits of autism aren't as much of a hindrance in the context of African society and culture, so they don't really recognize them as disordered. Schizophrenia in non-western countries is also not as much of a burden because, for whatever reason, people with schizophrenia in eastern cultures who hear voices tend to hear those voices saying positive things rather than negative things as in western cultures, which probably does good for their overall wellbeing and mental state.

    The same logic applies to the use of categorical vs dimensional classification. I guess that psychology as a whole is finding that dimensional classification is more useful than categorical, leading to decisions such as collapsing autism and aspergers into the autism spectrum.

    My overall point is that the classification of mental illness is quite fuzzy and nobody can definitively say anything on topics like whether everyone is on the autism spectrum or not. Clinically, Oberon is right: because these classifications are rather binary, neurotypical people are not on the autism spectrum. In the real world, and biologically, we don't really know.

  14. #114

    Re: The future "racism"

    That seems fair.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
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    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
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    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
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    Yeah I donít read or care to that much. I just vote correctly and thatís that.

  15. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    Imagine acting like a leftist and being ableist at the same time.
    Imagine automatically assuming I'm a leftist and an ableist. Good to know you like to run to conclusions without reading.
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  18. #118

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    My point is that the way we classify mental disorders as distinct form eachother doesn't necessarily come from any sort of shared underlying biological causes, or even that they necessarily always present in the same way, but in ways that benefit treatment. What we call "schizophrenia" may well be a bunch of different disorders with different genetic and environmental causes that happen to look the same, we don't really know yet. That different treatments work or don't work depending on the patient seems to partially support this, anyway.

    Culture and context also plays a big role. I read some literature once (can't find it right now) that suggested that the reason autism rates are so low in Africa is partially because the traits of autism aren't as much of a hindrance in the context of African society and culture, so they don't really recognize them as disordered. Schizophrenia in non-western countries is also not as much of a burden because, for whatever reason, people with schizophrenia in eastern cultures who hear voices tend to hear those voices saying positive things rather than negative things as in western cultures, which probably does good for their overall wellbeing and mental state.

    The same logic applies to the use of categorical vs dimensional classification. I guess that psychology as a whole is finding that dimensional classification is more useful than categorical, leading to decisions such as collapsing autism and aspergers into the autism spectrum.

    My overall point is that the classification of mental illness is quite fuzzy and nobody can definitively say anything on topics like whether everyone is on the autism spectrum or not. Clinically, Oberon is right: because these classifications are rather binary, neurotypical people are not on the autism spectrum. In the real world, and biologically, we don't really know.
    Is it possible that many or even most people who have "disorders" are people who's brain would work perfectly fine in a primitive hunter-gatherer society but whose brain happens to clash with our modern complicated society? I mean, I'm not sure how hearing voices could be anywhere near as distressing if we didn't have such a sophisticated language that could say such deep shit. At worst you'd just hear negative intonations if you only had a primitive notion of language. I wonder if anyone's tried to observe isolated tribes and find the "mentally ill tribespeople".
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  19. #119

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    My point is that the way we classify mental disorders as distinct form eachother doesn't necessarily come from any sort of shared underlying biological causes, or even that they necessarily always present in the same way, but in ways that benefit treatment. What we call "schizophrenia" may well be a bunch of different disorders with different genetic and environmental causes that happen to look the same, we don't really know yet. That different treatments work or don't work depending on the patient seems to partially support this, anyway.

    Culture and context also plays a big role. I read some literature once (can't find it right now) that suggested that the reason autism rates are so low in Africa is partially because the traits of autism aren't as much of a hindrance in the context of African society and culture, so they don't really recognize them as disordered. Schizophrenia in non-western countries is also not as much of a burden because, for whatever reason, people with schizophrenia in eastern cultures who hear voices tend to hear those voices saying positive things rather than negative things as in western cultures, which probably does good for their overall wellbeing and mental state.

    The same logic applies to the use of categorical vs dimensional classification. I guess that psychology as a whole is finding that dimensional classification is more useful than categorical, leading to decisions such as collapsing autism and aspergers into the autism spectrum.

    My overall point is that the classification of mental illness is quite fuzzy and nobody can definitively say anything on topics like whether everyone is on the autism spectrum or not. Clinically, Oberon is right: because these classifications are rather binary, neurotypical people are not on the autism spectrum. In the real world, and biologically, we don't really know.
    source?? no, clearly we know everything about mental disorders. after, all, we, had, psychoology for two million years, such an old madiCOWOL field with practices set in STONE!!! (usually, i'd rather not say this so i can hear oberon speak more LOL)

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  20. #120

    Re: The future "racism"

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Is it possible that many or even most people who have "disorders" are people who's brain would work perfectly fine in a primitive hunter-gatherer society but whose brain happens to clash with our modern complicated society? I mean, I'm not sure how hearing voices could be anywhere near as distressing if we didn't have such a sophisticated language that could say such deep shit. At worst you'd just hear negative intonations if you only had a primitive notion of language. I wonder if anyone's tried to observe isolated tribes and find the "mentally ill tribespeople".
    Maybe they'd hear predators that weren't there
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
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    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
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