S-FM 325: Trust Fall (10p)

[Mike]

Trust Fall
Hosted by: Mike
Created By: OzyWho
10 Player

Mafia X 2
Town X 8

For Setup Click here

Players:

Oberon
Marshmallow Marshall
luona
angelily
Renegade
SuperJack
Bakermir
Red XIII
HappyMeal
OzyWho

Mechanics
Nightless.
No Lynches.
No Suicides.
Last Wills are not allowed.
The mafia have a permanent chat during the day since it is nightless.

Win Conditions
Mafia win when they have both exited the game.
Town win when Mafia outnumbers are on even count with outnumber are on even count with them.

Game will Start 6pm CST 3/10/2021

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

CONDORCET RANKING LINK

Spoiler : cvote :

Oberon,
Marshmallow Marshall,
luona,
angelily,
Renegade,
SuperJack,
Bakermir,
Red XIII,
HappyMeal,
OzyWho

[Mike]

@Oberon
@Marshmallow Marshall
@luona
@angelily
@Renegade
@SuperJack
@bakermir
@Red XIII
@Happymeal
@OzyWho

Game is open for posting 99 votes to hammer.

And to the new players Remember No editing your posts it is ageist the rules of the site.

Host Reserves this Color

[bakermir]

first

[OzyWho]

hi

Spoiler : cvote :

Bakermir,HappyMeal,Oberon,Marshmallow Marshall,luona,angelily,Renegade,SuperJack,Red XIII,OzyWho

[bakermir]

hi

Spoiler : cvote :

Bakermir,HappyMeal,Oberon,Marshmallow Marshall,luona,angelily,Renegade,SuperJack,Red XIII,OzyWho

bruh

[OzyWho]

Ok, some quick thoughts about the game.

We have infinite time, and the last "Trust Falls" will always be the hardest to hit correctly.

From my point of view, I'll never trust anyone until we're 1 Trust Fall away from winning AND I'm 100% sure of whom to Trust Fall with. That way I can ensure that we have the best chance of winning this game.

However, until then, I think it's best if we all come to an agreement. An agreement that all Trust Falls in this game will be by a conensus between everybody in this game, or almost everybody.
Throughout the way, keep in mind that the Mafia have a permanent chat - and they will no doubt will try to divide us at some point or something like that. It's just as crucial for us to try and catch them coordinating something as it is for them to try and coordinate something - especially in a scenario where we landed 2 successful trust falls and are 1 away from victory.

@Mike I TRUST bekarmir

Would you accept that?

[Mike]

Ok, some quick thoughts about the game.

We have infinite time, and the last "Trust Falls" will always be the hardest to hit correctly.

From my point of view, I'll never trust anyone until we're 1 Trust Fall away from winning AND I'm 100% sure of whom to Trust Fall with. That way I can ensure that we have the best chance of winning this game.

However, until then, I think it's best if we all come to an agreement. An agreement that all Trust Falls in this game will be by a conensus between everybody in this game, or almost everybody.
Throughout the way, keep in mind that the Mafia have a permanent chat - and they will no doubt will try to divide us at some point or something like that. It's just as crucial for us to try and catch them coordinating something as it is for them to try and coordinate something - especially in a scenario where we landed 2 successful trust falls and are 1 away from victory.

@Mike I TRUST bekarmir

Would you accept that?

Yes, Even if it is misspelled If you can tell who the person you are trusting It will be accepted. In The future any more claims like that will be recorded. I have not recorded this one

[OzyWho]

Yes, Even if it is misspelled If you can tell who the person you are trusting It will be accepted. In The future any more claims like that will be recorded. I have not recorded this one

Ahh, so no traps with deliberate misspellings, gotcha.
Even "MM" or "Magoroth" or "SJ" would be fine, right? Ok, this brings the atmosphere down from formal to casual quite a bit tbh.

My dream was baker to jump to "I TRUST OZY!!" and we would've caught a scum.

Technically, we need to catch only 1 scum 100% and we win.
In FM everything is far less AI than people think.

[bakermir]

Ahh, so no traps with deliberate misspellings, gotcha.
Even "MM" or "Magoroth" or "SJ" would be fine, right? Ok, this brings the atmosphere down from formal to casual quite a bit tbh.

My dream was baker to jump to "I TRUST OZY!!" and we would've caught a scum.

Technically, we need to catch only 1 scum 100% and we win.
In FM everything is far less AI than people think.

so it was a trap?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ok, some quick thoughts about the game.

We have infinite time, and the last "Trust Falls" will always be the hardest to hit correctly.

From my point of view, I'll never trust anyone until we're 1 Trust Fall away from winning AND I'm 100% sure of whom to Trust Fall with. That way I can ensure that we have the best chance of winning this game.

However, until then, I think it's best if we all come to an agreement. An agreement that all Trust Falls in this game will be by a conensus between everybody in this game, or almost everybody.
Throughout the way, keep in mind that the Mafia have a permanent chat - and they will no doubt will try to divide us at some point or something like that. It's just as crucial for us to try and catch them coordinating something as it is for them to try and coordinate something - especially in a scenario where we landed 2 successful trust falls and are 1 away from victory.

@Mike I TRUST bekarmir

Would you accept that?

If we all "never trust anyone until we're 1 trust away from winning", then the game is never going to end lol. Simply waiting until we're 100 % sure of who to trust fall with is a better course of action.

Everyone coming to an agreement before doing anything will never work: not everyone has the same interests here. There will necessarily be scum disruption. Plus, you cannot expect everyone to think the same, and you cannot expect everyone to be right even if they think the same, either. Listening to others' opinions and especially doubts about others is a very healthy behavior in this game, but trying to form an unbreakable mass decision block where nobody can ever agree or disagree will create artificial reads. If we actually follow that course of action because we think it's optimal, those who play by the rules of that game will simply follow the consensus and be shielded by it, while those who do not want to will be artificially scumread. And if we follow that course of action but don't think it's optimal, well... it's pointless.

DON'T THOU SPEAKETH THE FORBIDDEN WORDS IMMEDIATLY, FOOL!

[OzyWho]

If we all "never trust anyone until we're 1 trust away from winning", then the game is never going to end lol. Simply waiting until we're 100 % sure of who to trust fall with is a better course of action.

I think you missing the point.
For example, let's assume you're the best player in the lobby and that you're town. Well, in that case - it is in your and your teams best interest to stay in the game until the final day/-s, guiding everyone else along the way and making the final, toughest, decision yourself and be the last man to leave the ship.
Hence why, for example, I said I prefer SJ to be in the F4/F6.

Everyone coming to an agreement before doing anything will never work: not everyone has the same interests here. There will necessarily be scum disruption. Plus, you cannot expect everyone to think the same, and you cannot expect everyone to be right even if they think the same, either.

Doesn't mean that we can't try though. Having different mindsets and opinions doesn't mean we shouldn't use the infinite time to come as close to a consensus as possible before making decisions.

Listening to others' opinions and especially doubts about others is a very healthy behavior in this game, but trying to form an unbreakable mass decision block where nobody can ever agree or disagree will create artificial reads.

Depends on where you draw the line in the sand I guess?
I just want nobody to making foolish hero syndrome decisions that nobody else agrees with. Would kinda make the game useless, ngl.

If we actually follow that course of action because we think it's optimal, those who play by the rules of that game will simply follow the consensus and be shielded by it, while those who do not want to will be artificially scumread. And if we follow that course of action but don't think it's optimal, well... it's pointless.

Good point tbh!

DON'T THOU SPEAKETH THE FORBIDDEN WORDS IMMEDIATLY, FOOL!

Look at the content it created though!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I think you missing the point.
For example, let's assume you're the best player in the lobby and that you're town. Well, in that case - it is in your and your teams best interest to stay in the game until the final day/-s, guiding everyone else along the way and making the final, toughest, decision yourself and be the last man to leave the ship.
Hence why, for example, I said I prefer SJ to be in the F4/F6.

Sure, I guess. I don't think it matters much; if others are actually that bad, they're just not going to listen to you . However, the fact you're expressing the desire to be among the last ones standing is showing a town PoV. Scum wouldn't care about that, and it takes a special level of immersion in one's fake town role for one to think about this kind of thing.

Doesn't mean that we can't try though. Having different mindsets and opinions doesn't mean we shouldn't use the infinite time to come as close to a consensus as possible before making decisions.

We should use the time we have and make sure everyone has discussed so that we gain as much info as possible, yes. That doesn't mean we have to chain ourselves by a strict consensus policy, though.

Depends on where you draw the line in the sand I guess?
I just want nobody to making foolish hero syndrome decisions that nobody else agrees with. Would kinda make the game useless, ngl.

Agreed. As I said, it's healthy to listen to others here. None of the extremes are good, "the truth lies in the middle".

Look at the content it created though!

Ehh, true, true. I don't particularly like Baker's tone, but it tells nothing more for now. Perhaps later.

[OzyWho]

What is cvote?
It's a way for us to quickly look up how do people townread/scumread each other. And also what is the consensus (by a complicated math - irrelevant).

How to see?
Click the link in the opening post of the thread called "CONDORCET RANKING LINK".

How to make/update?
You can either manually by making a spoiler tag, and putting everyones names from your scummiest to your towniest (can exclude yourself as towniest), or you can "CREATE VOTE CODE" in the link and post it here.

Looks like this:

Spoiler : cvote :

Bakermir,HappyMeal,Oberon,Marshmallow Marshall,luona,angelily,Renegade,SuperJack,Red XIII,OzyWho

In that list - Bakermir is my scummiest.

I hope that explains cvote. We can choose not to even use it, it's just a tool the host gave us if we want to use it.

[SuperJack]

Alright I'll whip out the old magic carpet and we should be good to go.

[OzyWho]

Alright I'll whip out the old magic carpet and we should be good to go.

Don't go. I prefer you to be in the F6 or F4.

[SuperJack]

Permission to spam the page with thousands of different Do you Trust me quotes from all the different movies?

[OzyWho]

Permission to spam the page with thousands of different Do you Trust me quotes from all the different movies?

Granted. Except I'm not host.

[SuperJack]

I haven't read the Setup yet.

[OzyWho]

I haven't read the Setup yet.

How tf do you sign without reading the setup first?

[SuperJack]

How tf do you sign without reading the setup first?

Trust me, I have no Idea.

[OzyWho]

Trust me, I have no Idea.

Tbh, you're basically a piece of furniture in the house of SC2 Mafia. This infinite setup fits you well.
The only missing are Aamirus and Stealthbomber16 imo.

[OzyWho]

Sunday a different FM will start for me. Depending on how active it'll be - I might not be here much next week.

[OzyWho]

@bakermir say something

[bakermir]

@bakermir say something

so if one of us is mafia, that will leave the other mafia alone with rest of town correct? I am a bit confused lol

[OzyWho]

so if one of us is mafia, that will leave the other mafia alone with rest of town correct? I am a bit confused lol

Mafia can't Trust Fall together if that's what you're asking. They each need to find a Townie whom to Trust Fall with.

[OzyWho]

@SuperJack how do you like the setup?
Also, why didn't SC2Mafia participate in Season 1 of FM Championship? It was 2013/2014 I think. The archives show the site was way more active then.

[OzyWho]

Sucks for me, the Condorcet link is mobile compatible. At least not with mine.
Can see the first 5 in the consensus list but not any individuals lists.

[OzyWho]

I'm alone now...
I guess SJ reads setup, and baker was only "online" by that weird phone thingy.

Worth a note - it's been nearly an hour since the game is open. I've seen luona and Renegade online in the main page at some point or another, but they never bothered to visit this page. Maybe scum chat. Maybe setup reading. Probably nothing. But I thought it worth pointing out.

[Renegade]

I'm alone now...
I guess SJ reads setup, and baker was only "online" by that weird phone thingy.

Worth a note - it's been nearly an hour since the game is open. I've seen luona and Renegade online in the main page at some point or another, but they never bothered to visit this page. Maybe scum chat. Maybe setup reading. Probably nothing. But I thought it worth pointing out.

I was asleep for the past hour so the open browser windows on my PC must have been saying I was online but I really wasn't

Wouldn't read too much into it, in fact there were a lot of recent conversations about the online status feature for this reason.

[OzyWho]

@Renegade
What are you a Renegade of? (sorry I'm bored)

[Renegade]

@Renegade
What are you a Renegade of? (sorry I'm bored)

Interesting question.

My video game name back in the day was "Renegade Gypsy". I like to go against the grain and popular opinion, as you may have noticed based on my interactions here.

It gets me into a lot of trouble.

Now the question is, who or what is an ozywho?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Tbh, you're basically a piece of furniture in the house of SC2 Mafia. This infinite setup fits you well.
The only missing are Aamirus and Stealthbomber16 imo.

How dare you call SJ a simple piece of furniture. My gut tells me he's good this game, but obviously, that's not even close to being strong enough for a trust fall.

I'm alone now...
I guess SJ reads setup, and baker was only "online" by that weird phone thingy.

Worth a note - it's been nearly an hour since the game is open. I've seen luona and Renegade online in the main page at some point or another, but they never bothered to visit this page. Maybe scum chat. Maybe setup reading. Probably nothing. But I thought it worth pointing out.

Maybe scumpainting. Maybe genuine observation. Probably nothing. But I think it means absolutely nothing.
=) (=

[Renegade]

Hello everyone excited to play this interesting setup!

[OzyWho]

Hello everyone excited to play this interesting setup!

I legit don't remember seeing you so cheerful.
I'll take all the credit!

[Renegade]

I legit don't remember seeing you so cheerful.
I'll take all the credit!

For the record I usually am cheerful, but this site does bring me down unfortunately.

[OzyWho]

@luona
Hi, are you experienced in Forum Mafia? Did you read and had no problem understanding the setup?

[luona]

@luona
Hi, are you experienced in Forum Mafia? Did you read and had no problem understanding the setup?

ah hihi, ive played forum mafia a few years ago but im very bad and forgot how to play pretty much, i hope i do well enough..
the setup i kinda understand, like we're town hunting instead of scumhunting right?

[OzyWho]

WAOT LOL

IM SO CONFUSED IS THIS THE THREAD- I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO IT IN THE OTHER ONE

Nah, that was just the signup page. We have 3 different pages per game here:
-Setup
-Signup
-Game

Helps keep things clean and organized from our point of view. And easier to find if needed.

Interesting question.

My video game name back in the day was "Renegade Gypsy". I like to go against the grain and popular opinion, as you may have noticed based on my interactions here.

It gets me into a lot of trouble.

Now the question is, who or what is an ozywho?

Gypsy/Roma women are the most beautiful IMO.

Ozy was (former) friend of mine. Back in 2010 or 2011, I had my SC2 account. But for reasons to distance from a certain community easier - I brought a new account (SC2 wasn't F2P back then) and gave that 1st account to my former friend.
Account got banned for sharing. (account verification asked him 3 times where was i born, he knew where I grew up so instead of asking me he typed my home city 3 times in a row )

Many many, about 6-7, years later, I wanted to distance myself from another community. So I went back to my original account. It's SC2 in-game name was Ozy on EU. I went to NA and chose my own name - Who.
Later when choosing a name for another community, in forum and discord, I chose OzyWho - so both EU and NA players can know who I am.

From there, I chose the same name here because I grew accustomed to it.

ah hihi, ive played forum mafia a few years ago but im very bad and forgot how to play pretty much, i hope i do well enough..
the setup i kinda understand, like we're town hunting instead of scumhunting right?

Yeah, exactly. Though doesn't hurt to do both.

[luona]

Nah, that was just the signup page. We have 3 different pages per game here:
-Setup
-Signup
-Game

Helps keep things clean and organized from our point of view. And easier to find if needed.

ahh okay LOL i kept refreshing the signup one and was wondering why nobody was posting until i saw a notification

I think happy meals scum

[bakermir]

ah hihi, ive played forum mafia a few years ago but im very bad and forgot how to play pretty much, i hope i do well enough..
the setup i kinda understand, like we're town hunting instead of scumhunting right?

hi ^=^


i am probably the worst here. I am quite new to FM.


this is also my first time in a setup like this

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Interesting stories about your names, Renegade and Ozy. I thought Renegade was quite straightforward, but I had always wondered about the Who and the Ozy and the Ozywho ^^

ah hihi, ive played forum mafia a few years ago but im very bad and forgot how to play pretty much, i hope i do well enough..
the setup i kinda understand, like we're town hunting instead of scumhunting right?

Lol don't worry, we're not that good either... And yes, you're right about the setup's mechanics. Do you have any reads as of now? "Every bit helps", as they say; right now, we're just trying to find something to jump on so that meaningful discussion can begin. Usually, that'd be RVS (Random Voting Stage), but since this isn't a normal mafia game, we're just going to point fingers and give our hearts before we can start giving our trust, I guess.

[luona]

WAOT LOL

IM SO CONFUSED IS THIS THE THREAD- I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DO IT IN THE OTHER ONE

[luona]

ive never seen lily as scum i hope shes town!!

[Mike]

OK to clarify, The Game is conducted here in this Thread. Everyone has been given a discord Room. That is for Mod comunications. For example you post in here @Mike I trust BlinkSkater
Then you can also post in discord @dude Mike I trusted Blinkskater in post #34.
This way I do not miss any trusts. But It has to be first posted here.

To explain the setup simply

there is 2 Mafia rest are just Town no PR roles no Night no Night kills The vote stem is your to use as tools as you see fit.

when player A trusts player b nothing happens but then when player b trusts player a both will be removed from the game.
Mafia can not Trust another mafia. now They can claim they trust there partner but if both trust each other nothing will happen.
If a town trusts a mafia and then the mafia can snap trust the town and get both removed.
For towns win con Town need to get Town removed from game. So For town to win they need to get to final 4 and have 2 mafia still in game or down to final 2 with 1 mafia in game.
For Mafia to win Both Mafia need to be removed from game.

All trusts to be counted must be
1 @Mike I trust Name (to make bold type [b] this would be bolded [ /b] with out the space.)
2 then put in your discord room pinging me saying you trusted who and number of the post you put it in.

Also Trust can not be Rescinded ONCE YOU TRUST SOME ONE IT IS PERMENT

[OzyWho]

The first player to declare a Trust will be marked as scum.
There, now this game will last forever and ever and we will all grow old and happy together. But not too happy, or...

Ok I think I will go try and sleep.

[bakermir]

OzyWho shame on you

[bakermir]

too bad I can't vote out my scumread. OzyWho is my top scumread as of this post.

[OzyWho]

LOL !!!

luona top town

OzyWho shame on you

too bad I can't vote out my scumread. OzyWho is my top scumread as of this post.

This though feels unnatural from how highly I think of you as a (town)player.

[luona]

The problem here, for me, is that in order to properly alignment read this - it's vital to correctly assess your skill level.

This sort of random poking/testing/pressuring or whatever - it's higher skill level than you've made out to be. I'm not wanting to make any presumptions here, I'll observe you closely moving forward.

Ahhh so you think im gonna be good? time to carry

This though feels unnatural from how highly I think of you as a (town)player.

have you played with bakermir before?

[bakermir]

This though feels unnatural from how highly I think of you as a (town)player.

It is all real though, you used the c word and tried to trick me into trusting you. With all the posts we have so far you are my first scumread.