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  1. #101

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    i thought keeping the status quo is bigotry, not challnging it xD
    So I can say "n***ger" and not be challenging the status quo?
    Last edited by Oberon; May 12th, 2021 at 03:43 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
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    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

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  3. #103

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    I think one can be bigoted about challenging the status quo, if they are close-minded about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  4. #104

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    English is so dumb. "One" should not be a pronoun. TYVM
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  5. #105

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Disregarding that he was depicted as white on the cover it's still an interesting thought exercise. Consider a book where the main character's skin colour isn't stated. Our imagination picks up the slack and paints the visual for us. Is it racist or a sign of systemic racism for a white person to visualize a white person? I wouldn't be bold enough to assert that, my first assumption is white people are just visualizing themselves into the role of the protagonist. What would be interesting is what any person of colour visualizes. That doll test done decades ago where black kids were asked to choose between a white doll and a black doll had pretty harrowing results. I'd be interested in a revisit of the test on children nowadays to see the results.
    게 셐이야!!!

    i usually imagine protagonists as white, idk, maybe bc the authors are white?? it's so weird to consider that as racist, to see that as ANYTHING, really. the vast majority of authors are white in the U.S. what happened to my childhood, when i couldn't care less aboutthe race of the kids i hung out with??

    i only read a few books by asians, and a few more by black people. in all of those books, the protagonists' race (which matches with the author's race) is explicitly stated and often a central topic. that frustrates me.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  6. #106

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    게 셐이야!!!

    i usually imagine protagonists as white, idk, maybe bc the authors are white?? it's so weird to consider that as racist, to see that as ANYTHING, really. the vast majority of authors are white in the U.S. what happened to my childhood, when i couldn't care less aboutthe race of the kids i hung out with??

    i only read a few books by asians, and a few more by black people. in all of those books, the protagonists' race (which matches with the author's race) is explicitly stated and often a central topic. that frustrates me.
    Good thing our lord and saviors Jesus Christ race isn't mentioned in the bible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  7. #107

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Wearing natural hairstyles harms the job prospects of Black women. I think that's funny.
    (the study page it linked is purchasable for not so cheap price. But it has referenced many many google scholar links, so I think it's safe to assume that study is legit)

    I'm not surprised that someone is subconsciously judged in a job interview by how "appropriate" they dressed and styled their hair. But I think it's funny that what's "appropriate" is the beauty standards of white women.
    But cmoon. That black women natural hair style legit gives a feeling of unprofessionalism.
    omg, white girls' hairs r so straight, clearly white women are uptight as fuck and not a good fit for our business. also, if you've green or blue eyes, you must have ur head in the clouds all the time! the lighter the color, the more ditzy u are! i'm not recruiting some blueberry-eyed fuck as my lead programmer.

    ^now just imagine that being socially acceptable

    btw, i realize oops's response to this was a million times more appropriate than mine lol
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  8. #108

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    omg, white girls' hairs r so straight, clearly white women are uptight as fuck and not a good fit for our business. also, if you've green or blue eyes, you must have ur head in the clouds all the time! the lighter the color, the more ditzy u are! i'm not recruiting some blueberry-eyed fuck as my lead programmer.

    ^now just imagine that being socially acceptable

    btw, i realize oops's response to this was a million times more appropriate than mine lol
    also, imagine CONSTRUCTING a society with those kinds of prejudices. in efe's server, i attempted to box light into cracker/redneck territory, but i didn't come up with a whole language to put his race down bc it kinda made me sick and also made me realize how messed up racial jokes are.

    i was alaoso extremly crnge for trying taht, OWO
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  9. #109

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Why do you believe that everyone is calling you or a particular way of thinking racist when nobody is doing so? That's approaching the territory of schizophrenic delusion.
    u have a point here, it breaks my bren trying to think like u but i can manage sometimes. however u've to consider context here, oberon just got off a ban bc of his stupid jokes (we all know it's not bc he promoetd haking). i absolutely consider obe-won to be racist and sexist now, even if u don't in this thred.

    ig ur just focusing on this debate and im only focusing on my general knowledge of as uwo-won as a person.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  10. #110

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    So I can say "n***ger" and not be challenging the status quo?
    REAL-LIFE socity gets u arrsted/cancled for sayig n-wor. just bc n-wor bannd doen't mean systmic raicsm gone,

    ._.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  11. #111

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think one can be bigoted about challenging the status quo, if they are close-minded about it.
    same uwu.

    UWOWU HEWWO!!!
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  12. #112

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I went to the clothing store today. I want clothes that look nice and happy. I see a sea of multi colours and many different designs and looks. So awesome.
    But, this is all for kids or women.

    I go to the men's section. My choice is depression.
    Grey, black, dark blue. Maroon if you're lucky or that horrid mold green colour if you really want to go wild.
    I have to say the selection for men's clothing is extremely depressing. I just want some bright colorful clothing, or something that just doesn't make me want to kill myself. God damn fucking sexist men's fashion.
    I feel you bro.. I feel you.




    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I want to understand the mechanics of that unseen hand that shapes our society and fosters the division thats so prevalent.
    Hi, Mr.Naruto.
    I think Pain was right. The only way to unite everyone and to make everyone understand each other - is to make everyone feel same extensive Pain. Otherwise, it's like asking to imagine a new color.
    It's just that you can't do that and the only other option is let time do it's thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  13. #113

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I want to understand the mechanics of that unseen hand that shapes our society and fosters the division thats so prevalent.
    I think I found something that I think plays at least some part in this attitude, and it fits well with what @oops_ur_dead said about nobody caring about "whites" but instead caring about "Italian" or whatever other group.

    A quote from The Diversity Study of England and Wales:
    Some of findings suggest the role of prejudices shaping attitudes towards marriage between faith groups. Sarah (not her real name), a female rabbi from London, was careful to recognise the role of prejudices but also of other considerations:

    “There maybe is an element of Islamophobia, I’m not trying to deny it. But if I thought about Muslims, or Sikhs and Hindus…the difference between those and Christians is that you’re talking about other minority faith groups. Why is that relevant? Because they’re all groups…that are small, relative to the general population, and are all seeking to preserve their own ethno-religious identity.

    “Ultimately, they all seek to preserve their ethno-religious identity; when somebody is going to marry a Christian, they are not going to marry somebody who has a strong faith themselves. But if they marry a Muslim, most of the people, who are not involved in interfaith dialogue, will assume that person to be a religious person…Do I want a close relative to marry somebody who is going to pull them out of the Jewish religion?...It’s more likely, in people’s minds, if you’re marrying a Muslim, Hindu or a Sikh, there is a comprehension in our religion that these are faith groups where people tend to be more observant, more involved, on some level, than most Christians are.”
    I highlighted the part that I think has a hand to play in this common attitude disparity towards different ethnic groups.
    Last edited by OzyWho; August 29th, 2021 at 06:51 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  14. #114

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I think I found something that I think plays at least some part in this attitude, and it fits well with what @oops_ur_dead said about nobody caring about "whites" but instead caring about "Italian" or whatever other group.

    A quote from The Diversity Study of England and Wales:


    I highlighted the part that I think has a hand to play in this common attitude disparity towards different ethnic groups.
    Thats an interesting point. I had not considered looking at group identity idiosyncratically. All this time I have just been focused on the external image and how that image is cultivated. I suppose something like Jahari's window could be applied to groups if you treat a group as a superorganism.

    I have sorted quite a few of the opinions I had when I made this thread but I do still see... 'something' that makes conversations on sexism and racism so one directional. At a glance I feel like they should not be so difficult to have but people hear something different from the common view and just assume your position must be hateful if its different.

  15. #115

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    people hear something different from the common view and just assume your position must be hateful if its different.
    Ohh yah, that feels like a common thing for us humans. I remember looking at comment sections in some of those YouTube debates through response videos. Their each respective comment sections seem to often be eager to say something bad about the other group; sometimes dehumanize even.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  16. #116

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Anyone remembers Achmed the dead terrorist? A Jeff Dunham puppet?
    Apparently, he's big in Israel. So big in fact that Jeff Dunham is their favorite comedian.

    Meanwhile, Sweet Daddy Dee puppet had to be retired because of accusations that it's racism.
    Bubba J puppet on the other hand has had no such problems, and I'd argue that it's the most "insulting" of all his stereotype puppets, while Sweet Daddy Dee was the least "insulting" one.

    A double standard kinda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Last edited by OzyWho; October 1st, 2021 at 04:26 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    from time to time, I act very much like a normal person.

  17. #117

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Jesus Christ man, this level of paranoia and conspirational thinking is not healthy. I cannot imagine how much stress one must be going through in their life when they think that the entire world is out to get the white man.
    I'm not sure it's fair to say that the belief that academia is a huge proponent of things like CRT is paranoia or conspiratorial. The English and Sociology departments of a majority of US campuses are left-leaning, even my Mexican American literature class taught similar concepts. I don't think they're specifically out to get people or anything but students are extremely impressionable. Especially when the ideologies presented to them are seen less as an opportunity for discussion and debate and more as an empirical truth that must be accepted for societal or moral self-improvement (Socialism, CRT, etc.)

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    except institutionalized racism against blacks actually exists, racism against whites only exists in the mind of the persecution complex
    That's really the dichotomy that Critical Race Theory proposes as it was developed from Critical Theory. Consciously or unconsciously, Blacks must be victims, Whites must be oppressors. But I don't understand how that means an ethnicity can't show prejudice or racism against whites or any ethnicity. I understand a proposed theory isn't necessarily meant to everyone feel warm and happy inside but the fact that this has gotten so much traction over the past few years boggles my mind. It doesn't seem productive or even rational if the goal of it's exposure by the media or it's proponents was to improve race relations. On the contrary, it feels like we're regressing to segregation and full blown racism again with both sides playing, doesn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I have sorted quite a few of the opinions I had when I made this thread but I do still see... 'something' that makes conversations on sexism and racism so one directional. At a glance I feel like they should not be so difficult to have but people hear something different from the common view and just assume your position must be hateful if its different.
    Yeah. I touched on it here.
    (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶

  18. #118

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Ohh yah, that feels like a common thing for us humans. I remember looking at comment sections in some of those YouTube debates through response videos. Their each respective comment sections seem to often be eager to say something bad about the other group; sometimes dehumanize even.
    It's gotten worse.
    (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶

  19. #119

    Re: Double Standards in Racism and Sexism

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    That's really the dichotomy that Critical Race Theory proposes as it was developed from Critical Theory. Consciously or unconsciously, Blacks must be victims, Whites must be oppressors. But I don't understand how that means an ethnicity can't show prejudice or racism against whites or any ethnicity.
    This thought process is something that has bothered me for a very long time. The idea that racial or gender based hate is itself one directional is probably one of the most ignorant commonly voiced beliefs I hear. The fact an individual's 'group' is seen as holding privileged status in no way translates to them being immune personally from discrimination and hate. The way society accepts thinly veiled hate speech as a push for equality based on victim status is ridiculous to me.

    I largely see it as why CRT is controversial. The bits where it deconstructs racism and informs people on systemic issues is excellent but there are many who use it to push a message of racial hate under the guise of eliminating racial hate which just makes no sense.

 

 

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