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    Should Plurality lynch be as common as it is?

    I was browsing the Approved Setups page and noticed this old beauty - Simple Forum Mafia (9P).

    And I noticed something odd. Namely the fact that it doesn't have Plurality Lynch. Only Majority.
    I've completely forgotten that's even a possible thing!

    I love the fact that Town is forced to come to an agreement. And likewise, the Mafia are forced to be more active too. At LYLO - analyzing the EoD votes of past days is just so much cooler.

    Compare it to having a 13 player game that has a tie between multiple slots, with 2 votes on each.
    The games are like night and day.

    What is your opinions regarding Plurality lynch?
    I realize that there's likely a consensus that it's very pro-town. But if you have a spear poking at your back, pushing you forward, while it's true that it would be beneficial for you if there was no spear poking at you - without it there would be nothing to drive you forward.
    I don't think Plurality Lynch is strictly pro-town. I think the lack of it pressures EVERYONE and that is pro-town too. It evens out. Not perfectly, but somewhat. And I'd say that the very very slight imbalance towards the scum side, that comes from a lack of Plurality, is well worth the difference in gameplay.

    What would people say on the proposition to have more games without Plurality?




    Quick question: Scum don't have a mandatory faction kill in almost any setup - correct?
    Last edited by OzyWho; January 13th, 2021 at 09:44 AM.

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    Re: Should Plurality lynch be as common as it is?

    No, go away with those heretical ideas! So many games were dull and boring because we could never reach an agreement. Having inactives, even if they aren't that many, completely kill games with majority only. Yes, in theory, it forces everyone to do something. In reality, it just results in some people actually trying to win and some others being potatoes and killing the fun.

    DOWN WITH THE HERETICS, UP WITH THE PLURALITY
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    Re: Should Plurality lynch be as common as it is?

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Ozy you should talk to @Voss he’s very interested in finding new voting systems that might be better than the existing/usual options
    As far as the topic of this thread is concerned, plurality and condercet are both the same in the sense of mandatory lynch at EOD.

    Me personally I'm not a believer in condercet. As much as I'm not a fan of a 3 way tie with 2 votes on each at EoD1 - I'm not confident that condercet improves that scenario. If anything I think it's the opposite and is similar to yzb's voting system where the scum could vote each other if the numbers allow it - making it in my eyes even less informative than a 3 way tie EoD1 with just ~50% of votes present.

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    Re: Should Plurality lynch be as common as it is?

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    As far as the topic of this thread is concerned, plurality and condercet are both the same in the sense of mandatory lynch at EOD.

    Me personally I'm not a believer in condercet. As much as I'm not a fan of a 3 way tie with 2 votes on each at EoD1 - I'm not confident that condercet improves that scenario. If anything I think it's the opposite and is similar to yzb's voting system where the scum could vote each other if the numbers allow it - making it in my eyes even less informative than a 3 way tie EoD1 with just ~50% of votes present.
    i didn't mean condorcet. I think voss expressed interest in other kinds of new voting systems too
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    Re: Should Plurality lynch be as common as it is?

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    As far as the topic of this thread is concerned, plurality and condercet are both the same in the sense of mandatory lynch at EOD.

    Me personally I'm not a believer in condercet. As much as I'm not a fan of a 3 way tie with 2 votes on each at EoD1 - I'm not confident that condercet improves that scenario. If anything I think it's the opposite and is similar to yzb's voting system where the scum could vote each other if the numbers allow it - making it in my eyes even less informative than a 3 way tie EoD1 with just ~50% of votes present.
    Your presentation of condorcet is categorically false, but I'm not going to derail your thread on it.

    Majority is strictly more scum sided than plurality, even without a game of inactives. If a scum is close to being yeeted (call it one away), and there are towns people voting other players and have been vocal about it, scum aren't going to vote their partners. They would much rather let it skip, thus starving the town a chance to use their most reliable tool to eliminate scum.

    Also plurality (and condorcet) don't mandate a yeet. That's just what the group prefers. They prefer a yeet because yeets are good for the town, (no matter what Light Yagami says). If the group preferred a skip day, they'd vote skip day. Plurality and condorcet don't have mandatory no skip days.

    If anything, I regret introducing condorcet to the community before running multi vote plurality systems. That would have been an easier pill to swallow, and much simpler to understand.

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