A.K.A "That One Idiot"
To me that says DM is the green-check more than SJ is, though I could be wrong. I'm just saying the green-check on SJ isn't so certain.
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Varcron has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
Varcron (4 [L-0]): Marshmallow Marshall, Dark Magician, SuperJack, Bahkieh
Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-3]): MartinGG99
Sorry for the delay wasn't expecting a hammer. I won't be able to make another proper day end post as I'm at work and working with limited resources. I can make one before night ends though. So the important info of who Varcron was...
...Varcron was a Angel. Night Ends March 4th at 7PM EST. (I will probably have to change the end day timer as 7pm wont be possible more than likely after a while here but something tells me I won't have to worry about that more than likely but just figured I'd let you guys know).
Last edited by AIVION; March 1st, 2021 at 04:12 PM.
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
DAY 4 HAS BEGUN!
It would seem that heaven is in turmoil. The angels were in a scurry and were barely able to notice the charred remains of what seems to be @SuperJack . Upon further inspection, this Angel was specialized in protection. They were a Guardian Angel! With their death, it would seem that heaven must act quickly if they are to find and defeat Satan and his Antichrist.
Will they succeed? We shall soon see...
Also side note: Dark Magician had to replace out and in their stead is Rhand!
Alive:
@Dark Magician - replaced with @Rhand
@Marshmallow Marshall
@SamsungLyssa - Now replaced with @NoctiZ
@MartinGG99
@Bahkieh
Smited:
@Grayswandir - Angel
@yzb25 - Demon
@Helz - Human Priest
@Wiisp - God
@S-FM Magoroth - Soul Probe Angel
@Samson - Angel
@Varcron - Angel
@SuperJack - Guardian Angel
With 5 left alive it is 3 votes to hammer.
3 week long phases oh yeaa almost down the home stretch mark people!
Link to Day 2: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...148#post918148
Link to day 3: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...921#post919921
Day 4 Ends March 25th at 5:00PM EST:
Everybody is equally weak on the inside, just that some present their ruins as new castles and become kings –
Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before.
If your dear heart is wounded, my wild heart bleeds with yours.
Hi all. I have a lot of catching up to do, that will take me a while.
So.. first thought would be to go for DM/Rhand. But I do believe there's some stock to the idea that it's possibly TvT. I'll give it some thought before committing to anything.
Honestly though, it's literally 50% chance for me to vote the right person, 2/5 overall of lynching correctly right now in this game. It's MYLO so we need to be right today but luckily today is a long-ass time in this game. Will probably expend more effort than I have up until now to go back and see who I'd peg as scum. My IRL stress has also gone way down finally so I freed up some mental space.
Mylo? I think it’s lylo? Or is there something mechanical going on that I’m not aware of?
I read about 1/3rd of the game. A lot more work ahead of me.
What is the TvT situation you’re talking about? Me and who?
Is anyone still playing this? It’s hard to motivate myself to read 1600 posts for a dead game :/
DM's slot regains a lot of suspicion here, although I'm not sure whether him stopping his OMGUS against me to go against objectively scummy Varcron was driven by pure scum self-preservation or by a genuine "this guy is scummy", because both are possible. The issue here is that we can't exactly question DM about his thought process, since he's not in the slot anymore.
Other than that, Martin voting me yesterday is ????, and I really dislike his stuff about SJ not having been confirmed while he obviously was, but given that Varcron was actually town and given that SJ is now dead, I don't see the scum intent here: why would scum!Martin get on me alone while the focus is on town!Varcron, and why would he deny that SJ is confirmed town only to see him dead on the next day? The only way this makes sense is if he's scum with DM's slot and wants to make people think his scummate was "confirmed town" by the invest while not jumping on the DM/Varcron train so that he can say "told you" and look good. It's not impossible, but there are a lot of if, so I don't think I would lynch him today; if we lynch DM's slot and that it flips scum, then he'd have to be looked at much more closely.
@Bahkieh needs to explain his thought process from yesterday about Varcron more closely and to give reads now. I secretly thought his sheeping onto Varcron was rather towny because I thought Varcron would flip scum, but the town flip completely reverses this.
Noctiz... no vote yesterday? Why?
DM's slot regains a lot of suspicion here, although I'm not sure whether him stopping his OMGUS against me to go against objectively scummy Varcron was driven by pure scum self-preservation or by a genuine "this guy is scummy", because both are possible. The issue here is that we can't exactly question DM about his thought process, since he's not in the slot anymore.
Other than that, Martin voting me yesterday is ????, and I really dislike his stuff about SJ not having been confirmed while he obviously was, but given that Varcron was actually town and given that SJ is now dead, I don't see the scum intent here: why would scum!Martin get on me alone while the focus is on town!Varcron, and why would he deny that SJ is confirmed town only to see him dead on the next day? The only way this makes sense is if he's scum with DM's slot and wants to make people think his scummate was "confirmed town" by the invest while not jumping on the DM/Varcron train so that he can say "told you" and look good. It's not impossible, but there are a lot of if, so I don't think I would lynch him today; if we lynch DM's slot and that it flips scum, then he'd have to be looked at much more closely.
@Bahkieh needs to explain his thought process from yesterday about Varcron more closely and to give reads now. I secretly thought his sheeping onto Varcron was rather towny because I thought Varcron would flip scum, but the town flip completely reverses this.
Noctiz... no vote yesterday? Why?
(EBWOP; added a line jump for clarity)
Because.. it was L-1 for a while and I didn't want to hammer yet? Why is this even relevant? I feel this single line question kind of distracts from truly relevant matters. If Varcron flipped scum I could atleast understand it but there's truly nothing you could gain whatsoever by posing this question. Especially after I made intent to vote clear during the last day.
And I was actually about to move my vote off of Varcron because I wasn't ready for a lynch yet and I had a feeling it would happen. And yeah I always have low post counts.
I play way too much Pokemon.
I still think my vote from 2 days ago was a good one.-vote MartinGG99
I play way too much Pokemon.
SuperJack flipped Guardian Angel.
Meaning if he were checked, he would've appeared as "Powerful" and that wouldn't have greenchecked him (Since there are still demons alive that appear as "Powerful").
Therefore, I believe my claim in the last day phase was absolutely correct. DM *was* more likely to have been greenchecked by the Soul Probe (Magoroth) than SJ was.
Also it turns out my read on Varcron is right.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Also let me just put this down
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
Because his reactions to me before SJ hammered were just unsatisfactory; they're vague and dismissive OMGUS-y imo.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
You're basically green-checked to me imo.
I would like your help in trying to find the 2 scum in Bahk/NoticZ/MM.
I feel like MM is the scummiest of both of them. The last scum is somewhere else in there.
In practically all situations I can imagine, you probably get shot tonight because of the green-check so if you want a say in how this game plays out I suggest you consider giving your thoughts in that group.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Honestly MM dropping a big paragraph on DM without considering the meaningfulness that SJ was a TPR on his flip (which implies DM was the green check) is nagl.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Honestly rn I'm leaning towards Bahk/MM.
NoticZ's posts for this day phase ring to me on a good tone level, and I think somewhere in my notes I had suspected a Bahk/MM team.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
See there's like this really big nudge from MM that doesn't really develop into something later on, even though the reasons here are basically the same reason he votes Samson.
But he doesn't vote Bahkieh at all during this game, though he did vote Yzb25 (a flipped demon) on Day 1.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Reading Bahk's ISO and my old notes on him I just feel bad about him as well. He's mostly coasting and voted for both Samson and Varcron.
Additionally, he had an outburst of sorts on D2 during the (quoted) progression below and considering these posts are across a 10-something duration of time, it just looks fake to me.
He also wasn't under any serious pressure at the time I recall, and he even mentioned how SJ was trying to support or be friendly with him. And then he immediately shades that as possible pocketing. To me, if you make an outburst, you do it under pressure as town. Not outta nowhere.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Honestly I would be okay with Bahk or MM going off today tbh.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
Because you've said stuff yesterday and didn't vote, which is always interesting. You did say that you didn't want to hammer but supported a Varcron lynch, though, so it's ok. But asking the question isn't a crime, and I fail to see why you'd see it as one; this is an overreaction.
Ah ok. Well, this is a first on this site; usually we run on 48/24 phases.
Thoughts on the current game state? I understand if you haven't read everything yet, but if you have some insight, it'd be welcome.
If this vote holds, this means either Bakhieh or Martin is scum (or both and that they're bussing eachother). We're at LYLO, scum could hammer town here if a townie misvoted, as long as they are both online. This puts scum #1 in Bahkieh/Martin and scum #2 in DM(Rhand)/Noctiz.
OOOooooo... that's a pretty good point. That means DM is probably town, unless Mag checked Helz on N1 and simply did not have a check. If DM is town, it leaves Noctiz + one of Bahkieh/you as scum, which could very well make sense associations-wise.
What are your thoughts on Noctiz? @Bahkieh , same question.
Worldbuilding =/= "dismissive OMGUS". The fact that you're discrediting what I did as OMGUS is actually quite OMGUSsy lol.
I have re-read this whole game these last couple of hours and honestly, it has given me more questions than answers.
I'm only half convinced that Mag checked DM. I'm cannot 100% tell if Mag had an honest read-switch from D1 to D2 on DM or if he actually checked him. He brings up the vote dynamics on D1 as reason to make SJ, MM and DM the town core. When I looked at the way that went though, both MM and Martin were on yzb pretty early on, but also switched votes to other people momentarily. DM had their vote on other people up until close to the end where they tried to place a vote on yzb but failed to do so.
What's more interesting is that yzb, when Helz mentioned it and voted Dark Magician, was ready to sheep him onto DM to protect himself.
Would yzb, as scum, jump at the chance to sacrifice fellow scum mate DM? A couple posts later he showed a reluctance to sacrifice Bahkieh instead, calling it "lame". Couple posts later he did jump onto Bahkieh though but said this:
Failed vote in this case. Comparing the tone however, I'd feel most comortable with lynching Bahkieh today. And in case Bahkieh is scum, MM would be the most likely partner. I don't see Bahkieh bussing Martin with their vote two days in a row.
-vote Bahkieh
I'd love input on this though. scum!Bahkieh makes most sense to have scum!MM as mate but earlier during re-reading I also entertained both MM and Martin as possible town slots and considered a DM+Bahkieh team. In both cases I'd have Bahkieh down as scum though. If Martin turns out to be scum then wp, but it's a really close call for me here.
To add onto my explanation of yzb intent behind DM vs Bahkieh:
Their line when voting Bahkieh, saying "fuck it. If this train is truly scum motivated that means multiple people here are scum and they are seriously implicating themselves by pulling that." could also imply knowledge that Bahkieh really is town and this is yzb trying to cast suspicion onto everyone else that finds Bahkieh suspicious if they manage to shift the lynch on Bahkieh. Thus yzb's happiness to vote DM would point towards yzb wanting to gain big town cred for being on the right train if DM gets lynched (although the proclaimed goal was to achieve a null lynch).
It's hard for me to really say which way around is more likely to be true, which is why I'd love to hear some thoughts before I really lock in Bahkieh as scum.
I was also advised to be open about the fact that at the time of making my last post, the "things going on" was Helz inviting me to his Priest dead chat. He has said that due to something he said in dead chat scum will know that Helz and I have a permanent chat now so I wanna be open to everyone here as well.
I've re-read Mag's early D2 posts, and it's still true that the ambiguity doesn't exactly indicate a clear check on DM (hence why I thought SJ was the check, but that is impossible since he would've came up as TPR/scum, which would probably have gotten him a scumread). Perhaps he checked Helz and simply did not have any information? That would explain the utter lack of breadcrumbing from an experienced player. All of this leads nowhere, though: we only know we cannot count on any check information from Mag.
As for the interactions between yzb and others, he might have turned on antispew mode. Plus, none of the votes you quoted look particularly good, or any good at all, really. I'm not sure this means anything.
You're going down a strange rabbit hole here: yzb could have been doing pretty much anything to generate antispew given the state he was in, iirc. I think what really matters here is the individual scumminess of players, and who those individually scummy players can't be scum with. My individual scumreads are Bahkieh and DM/Rhand atm, with you remaining as a question mark: you're done nothing scummy, but nothing that makes me say "This guy is town" either, and yet you've been active and gave content for a while now. As for Martin, I don't see him trying to pull a weird, risky and unlikely to succeed play trying to get scum!DM a "confirmed" status, which would be the only reason that makes at least some sense for him to have protested the SJ check theory so hard. If DM flips scum, though, this would need to be considered more closely.
Okay, does he have any interesting info?
Well, I'll say that I do think the different ways that yzb has responded to voting either of them D1 does indicate something but trying to find out the intent is not easy. Be that as it may, I'll paraphrase some interesting points Helz has made:
First of all: Everyone needs to be careful with their vote. It should be obvious, but especially this setup allows scum to coordinate during the day which allows them to snipe any town member here that currently has 1 vote. To add on:
To which Helz summed up that #1625 means Bahkieh or MartinGG is scum and #1627 means either Martin or MM is scum. And since it's been 2 days since those votes it's reasonable to assume that both of those situations have 1v1 scum and one of them must be a scum player voting. Adding on:It also means that if you had a vote standing for a while and the scum did not snipe they are either pulling some FPS stuff or (more likely) that player you had voted on is scum. If another player has a vote standing they are either scum or their vote is on a scum placing them in a 1v1 situation given that no normal scum would ever pillow push in this situation.
Further, a point that I liked a lot made by someone in dead chat is how insane it is for Martin to throw a "Let me just put this here" and vote. I definitely agree, now that it's been pointed out...its a mechanical certainty that either Bahkieh or Martin have to be scum for both the reason of scums snipe ability not used on Martin as well as the inability for 2 town to vote on 2 scum between only 3 players.
All in all we should allow Rhand some more time to read up and I'll also keep discussing some points with Helz to add more town perspectives here.
Well, this has now become a really slow game.
So let's start this back up. MM, you state a lot of opinions and express where you agree and disagree on reads and that's cool. I'd like to hear more specifically though: If you had to vote someone today, right now, who would that be? Bahkieh and Martin have made their opinions clear so I'm wondering about yours as it's not really explicitly clear to me.
@Rhand have you had time to read this game? Would love to hear some new perspectives, especially regarding what you think of MM, Martin and Bahkieh respectively. Have you progressed far enough?
While NoticZ *could* be scum here I don't see how that's the most plausible option here; DM as I said I think was green-checked. The fact that DM has been put through quite some doubt this whole game overall (iirc) only to end up as the 2nd best town-read on Mag's list was obviously meant to dodge looking like he had cop TMI to the wolves.
A.K.A "That One Idiot"
1. My thoughts on NoticZ is that:
1a. I have a more difficult time of finding buddies for him
1b. I have bigger suspects than him
1c. His tone at SoD was good imo.
2.
It is when you're doing that all the sudden just because you dropped in someone's reads. Now I don't have a photographic memory of D3, but I don't recall you essentially world-building on me until after you started dropping in my reads. You also didn't react in a way that I might expect from a player that gets accused of "putting on a show"; I would imagine a typical villager would react as if they're being attacked on their authenticity. Instead, you got this almost tone-deaf "ah they could be buddies with Varcron" suggestion without ever really defending yourself here other than just leaving it as a simple "baseless accusation".
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