S-FM Eternal Conflict (Off Queue Game Ongoing)

[Wiisp]

While at it, I can add that Gray-whatshisface and mm and martin give me a tranquil feeling. I confirm them to be town. MM less for being a filthy bastard by ignoring my request.
But If Gray-whatshisface was any greener, he could live amongst the Namekians, Yoda would get a little free erection first time in centuries, and House Harkonnen would mistake him for one of their lamps.
In a world where Martin flips red I would be surprised indeed.

While your thoughts do line up with the above post, the tone isn't real
you don't actually care that I shot him
that isn't how you react to me killing someone you literally locked as town for being, "tranquil", which being tranquil is actually more likely to come from a wolf. Martin is a lot better because he has actually given thoughts that don't look shallow, and MM is anything but shallow, grasping at straws everytime he enters the thread. Maybe if I see a push from him that I actually. I might change my mind.

and why not do you vote Y? why does traction on you make you move?

[Wiisp]

MM is anything but tranquil*

[Wiisp]

There is nothing game-throwing about me claiming my role
and I don't understand why you all go around insulting each other

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

I'm not acting anything you fool, don't make shit up dickhead.

Apparently you missed my read on gray/mm/martin/yzb which was before this day kill.

Either way, it is my wish to end this day sooner than later - prolonging it only brings suffering.

-vote yzb25

Ftr, I have a suspicion that the triggered wiisp is secretly legit trying his best to game throw. No, I'm not kidding.

You fail to understand that in so, I include all your previous opinions on Grey as acting. And why would we speed up day 1 when today is the only day that Wiisp is able to contribute in before they die.

If you are not kidding then state your reasonings, with backup like past similar events and reasonins. Because accusations of gamethrowing have no place in public during a game, and if you are using the idea of gamethrowing to further your alignments goal then that is a horrid way of playing and against the spirit of the game.

[Leto II]

MM is anything but tranquil*

I didn't call them tranquil. Read again.
I already voted yzb.

I don't care about the kill on Gray? Yeah.. ok. You got me. How folly of me to think that you wouldn't presume my true feelings, seeing through my deception.
I don't even know what this is called what you're doing. Bad rationalizing into believing and thinking what you want to, I guess?


My man. I hope you don't mind if I don't interact with you for my duration in this game? Which is something I hope I can manage for my own sake and for the games atmosphere.

[Leto II]

You fail to understand that in so, I include all your previous opinions on Grey as acting. And why would we speed up day 1 when today is the only day that Wiisp is able to contribute in before they die.

If you are not kidding then state your reasonings, with backup like past similar events and reasonins. Because accusations of gamethrowing have no place in public during a game, and if you are using the idea of gamethrowing to further your alignments goal then that is a horrid way of playing and against the spirit of the game.

My previous opinions? I literally town read him even in the post where I voted him, as explained later in the game. How can you say you take my previous opinions into consideration when you apparently don't even know them? Are you for real?

And, while it's true that the optimal course of action is to prolong day1 for as long as possible. Are you seriously wanting to sacrifice the joy and atmosphere of a game for the sake of optimal play? Who would have thought that the roleplaying guy wouldn't care about joy...
You're telling Y after doing X. What is the name for it? Cognitive dissonance? Or perhaps deception / scum painting?

[Wiisp]

I didn't call them tranquil. Read again.
I already voted yzb.

I don't care about the kill on Gray? Yeah.. ok. You got me. How folly of me to think that you wouldn't presume my true feelings, seeing through my deception.
I don't even know what this is called what you're doing. Bad rationalizing into believing and thinking what you want to, I guess?


My man. I hope you don't mind if I don't interact with you for my duration in this game? Which is something I hope I can manage for my own sake and for the games atmosphere.

you literally voted yzb just now, and you called everyone tranquil except you did hedge a bit on MM, thats the only difference

[Wiisp]

My previous opinions? I literally town read him even in the post where I voted him

and that's a good thing? lmao

[Leto II]

you literally voted yzb just now, and you called everyone tranquil except you did hedge a bit on MM, thats the only difference

Hey, Wiisp. You make me not feel tranquil. You don't give me a tranquil feeling.
I just called you not tranquil, apparently.

Best case scenario, you're not even trying to understand what I'm saying, but instead nag about semantics. The best case scenario is where you don't even try to read people anymore... Great...
You so cool man.

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

My previous opinions? I literally town read him even in the post where I voted him, as explained later in the game. How can you say you take my previous opinions into consideration when you apparently don't even know them? Are you for real?

And, while it's true that the optimal course of action is to prolong day1 for as long as possible. Are you seriously wanting to sacrifice the joy and atmosphere of a game for the sake of optimal play? Who would have thought that the roleplaying guy wouldn't care about joy...
You're telling Y after doing X. What is the name for it? Cognitive dissonance? Or perhaps deception / scum painting?

Translation: How dare U! me town read him so hard I even vote him cause he is so town! Grrr (angry noise's)

The length of day 1 does not determine the enjoyment level of the game, yet you are forcing in this measurement to allow not only to create a reason to end day 1 early (hence reducing important content) but to simultaneously counter my push by claiming I'm going against my purpose to be able to lay the view I'm scum painting and being deceptive.

It's not worked though.

=)


Scum

[Leto II]

and that's a good thing? lmao

Are you even looking at what I'm replying to?
Have I ever said anything about it being good or bad?

You're making assumptions about my feelings, you don't attempt to read be but instead nag about semantics, you're putting words in my mouth.

Like, dude. I thought you were smart. But I think you couldn't even try to be more biased. To be less rational. To do not rationalizing for your confirmation bias.

Could a discussion with you even be any less open? Or Is this a norm for you?

Dude, gtfo of my face.

[Wiisp]

Hey, Wiisp. You make me not feel tranquil. You don't give me a tranquil feeling.
I just called you not tranquil, apparently.

Best case scenario, you're not even trying to understand what I'm saying, but instead nag about semantics. The best case scenario is where you don't even try to read people anymore... Great...
You so cool man.

lmao what an interesting argument
you are arguing semantics as a defense, I didnt even notice the subtle difference
so no

and I am easily the most likely person to re-evaluate at any given moment, so just wow me, its easy
I am as much annoyed as I am glad, that I got you to actually feel like you care about the game, just by pressuring you
but you still have not convinced me yet

its funny how much literal pressure can drastically change the coyness of one player

[Wiisp]

Are you even looking at what I'm replying to?
Have I ever said anything about it being good or bad?

You're making assumptions about my feelings, you don't attempt to read be but instead nag about semantics, you're putting words in my mouth.

Like, dude. I thought you were smart. But I think you couldn't even try to be more biased. To be less rational. To do not rationalizing for your confirmation bias.

Could a discussion with you even be any less open? Or Is this a norm for you?

Dude, gtfo of my face.

stop trying to argue intelligent, you voted me a town, you don't see me arguing it makes you stupid, cause if you are town, you are just as uninformed as me
but your vote was still lackluster, as it was just a grandstand, why exactly what I be mad that someone that isn't me died?

I should make a list of everyone in this game that goes straight to ATE lol

also this is mafia, literally every case is a god damn assumption, chill out
not every case against you is malicious, or trying to adhere from your enjoyment of the game

now answer my question, Why did you vote me under that pretense? was that really a scum-case against me?
or were you just meming? (voting me because I was apparently mad that some random possible town got shot) like this helps me read you

[Wiisp]

Translation: How dare U! me town read him so hard I even vote him cause he is so town! Grrr (angry noise's)

The length of day 1 does not determine the enjoyment level of the game, yet you are forcing in this measurement to allow not only to create a reason to end day 1 early (hence reducing important content) but to simultaneously counter my push by claiming I'm going against my purpose to be able to lay the view I'm scum painting and being deceptive.

It's not worked though.

=)


Scum

I like your first sentence, but what is this about ending the day early, did I miss him say that?

[Wiisp]

also @ Ganelon
​if you are still reading
this is exactly why I avoid this playstyle, and work backwards trying to find town

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

Hello and pleasant day. I am late for the party, but I am Samson. To my character I will be true, thus many questions will only be answered in riddles. You must decide the answers for yourselves but be warned, I shall not suffer cheaters to my riddles! Play me false and with the surest grip I shall grab your throat, pry open thy mouth, and rip out thy forked tongue. So cheat me not!

I'll read past posts later, just needed to make my entrance.

I accept your challenge to a battle of wits!

[Wiisp]

I accept your challenge to a battle of wits!

I leave the riddles to you, if you can get him to do something, cause I have no idea what the answer is

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

Abandon your integrity if you must but ask me not to do the same simply for the sake of your vanity. I am Samson. Blessed with great strength, great wine, and great wit.

Don't speak of vanity. Human vanity cherishes the absurd notion that our species is the final goal of evolution.

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

I see what you did there with the fancy words and the logic....just need some time to take in and digest the plethora of undigestable jargon whilst figuring out what the rules are, which in hindsight seems like the place I should have started. The ALPHA. The beginning. Dare I say it ere long you figure out I mean the setup!

I look forward to seeing and digesting your understanding. In fact, I am thrilled to be alive at time when humanity is pushing against the limits of understanding. Even better, we may eventually discover that there are no limits.

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

I'm not acting anything you fool, don't make shit up dickhead.

Apparently you missed my read on gray/mm/martin/yzb which was before this day kill.

Either way, it is my wish to end this day sooner than later - prolonging it only brings suffering.

-vote yzb25

Ftr, I have a suspicion that the triggered wiisp is secretly legit trying his best to game throw. No, I'm not kidding.

@Wiisp

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

Here is my riddle for today:

"Out of the eater came something to eat.
I have many teeth sometimes they are fine.
First I'm by your head, then I'm down your spine.
What is it of that I speak?"

Solve the Riddle and I shall answer any question truthfully. I swear on my righteous hair- the hair that gives me the strength of ten men.

Riddles from the Bible. How boring. Though it does not necessarily make you evil. To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird, as you would expect of a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries.

[Wiisp]

I can understand not pushing the full 3 weeks, but its still kinda early for a day end
I don't know if I want to read into that, that particular thought kinda feels TWTBAW, his other stuff I hate more

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

I'm not acting anything you fool, don't make shit up dickhead.

Apparently you missed my read on gray/mm/martin/yzb which was before this day kill.

Either way, it is my wish to end this day sooner than later - prolonging it only brings suffering.

-vote yzb25

Ftr, I have a suspicion that the triggered wiisp is secretly legit trying his best to game throw. No, I'm not kidding.

In this religious battle I see you taking an extremist approach with accusations to game throwing by the
"God" role. Though I do not blame you for this over the top stance - The take-home message is that we should blame religion itself, not religious extremism - as though that were some kind of terrible perversion of real, decent religion. Voltaire got it right long ago: 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.' So did Bertrand Russell: 'Many people would sooner die than think. In fact they do.'

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

There is nothing game-throwing about me claiming my role
and I don't understand why you all go around insulting each other

You've insulted everyone this game... Multiple times. Passive aggressive insults are still insults

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

My previous opinions? I literally town read him even in the post where I voted him, as explained later in the game. How can you say you take my previous opinions into consideration when you apparently don't even know them? Are you for real?

And, while it's true that the optimal course of action is to prolong day1 for as long as possible. Are you seriously wanting to sacrifice the joy and atmosphere of a game for the sake of optimal play? Who would have thought that the roleplaying guy wouldn't care about joy...
You're telling Y after doing X. What is the name for it? Cognitive dissonance? Or perhaps deception / scum painting?

I mean it as a compliment when I say that you could almost define a philosopher as someone who won't take common sense for an answer.

[Wiisp]

You've insulted everyone this game... Multiple times. Passive aggressive insults are still insults

maybe, I try to attack the play not the person, and I refrain from harsh/direct insults
it may slip ever once and a while

[Leto II]

I mean it as a compliment when I say that you could almost define a philosopher as someone who won't take common sense for an answer.

I appreciate your kind words.

[Wiisp]

I mean it as a compliment when I say that you could almost define a philosopher as someone who won't take common sense for an answer.

tell me, can you see Leto town here?

[Samson]

Riddles from the Bible. How boring. Though it does not necessarily make you evil. To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird, as you would expect of a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries.

You did an excellent job at attacking the inspiration, validity, and integrity of the riddle without venturing a guess. In short, you just expressed how much you dislike the bible in general. I the mighty Samson care naught for opinon. The challenge was set. Brave to respond you were, however contrite your words I did not hear so much as a hint of a guess. Might I be expecting a more verbose expansion of your wit or is the ultimate answer you to express that simply you do not know the answer?

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

You did an excellent job at attacking the inspiration, validity, and integrity of the riddle without venturing a guess. In short, you just expressed how much you dislike the bible in general. I the mighty Samson care naught for opinon. The challenge was set. Brave to respond you were, however contrite your words I did not hear so much as a hint of a guess. Might I be expecting a more verbose expansion of your wit or is the ultimate answer you to express that simply you do not know the answer?

There's no point to humoring this. Though the details differ across the world, no known culture lacks some version of the time-consuming, wealth consuming, hostility provoking rituals, the anti-factual, counter-productive fantasies of religion. So why bother pushing pointless riddles from your holy book?

[Samson]

There's no point to humoring this. Though the details differ across the world, no known culture lacks some version of the time-consuming, wealth consuming, hostility provoking rituals, the anti-factual, counter-productive fantasies of religion. So why bother pushing pointless riddles from your holy book?

You have a point. Why are we even playing this make-believe game to begin with?

[Leto II]

[QUOTE=Hybrid Richard Dawkins;915222]Baaaaaa. Let's sheep confirmed townie and suck up to them now

-vote Leto II

but yeh now Leto takes the highroad and is acting that they where so certain that Grey was town. Good job, want to stress it out more? Geez Leto reactions not good.[/QUOTE @Hybrid Richard Dawkins Could you elaborate please?
What specifically is about my reaction "not good"?
I'm having trouble seeing a world where being upset, that my top town read got killed in the worst play possible, could be seen as a "bad reaction". What makes it "bad"?

You fail to understand that in so, I include all your previous opinions on Grey as acting. And why would we speed up day 1 when today is the only day that Wiisp is able to contribute in before they die.

I missed that word the previous time I read this.
May I ask why you chose to randomly decide that I was "acting" the entire game? Like do you have any reason for it? At all? It seems rather random and unnecessary unexplained / unelaborated.

By your own words, you're sheeping the confirmed town. Deciding I was acting all game, without any other reason than to sheep. Deciding that my reactions were bad, for no other reason than to sheep.

Do I make assumptions here, in the above paragraph? By assuming your given reason is your sole reason? I don't see why you wouldn't give any other reasonings yourself as either alignment tbh.

[Leto II]

"let's sheep"
"bad reaction" (even though the most normal one)
"assume you acted all game!" (only reason given is in order to sheep)

I mean wtf?

[SamsungLyssa]

I wouldn’t be able to read ppl this game and you guys deserve someone who won’t fold and have mental breakdowns bc of getting scumread. Like I tried to read but its just not working lol. All I’m getting is contextless posts that may be scummy if viewed in a certain light or maybe townie so I’m literally doing 50/50 on a lot of my reads here. I will literally be a fifth wheel this game if I’m in it, so I’m not interested.

some people never had the makings of a varsity mafia player

[Wiisp]

-unvote

over this for now
finding my next target

[Wiisp]

I didn't call them tranquil. Read again.
I already voted yzb.

I don't care about the kill on Gray? Yeah.. ok. You got me. How folly of me to think that you wouldn't presume my true feelings, seeing through my deception.
I don't even know what this is called what you're doing. Bad rationalizing into believing and thinking what you want to, I guess?


My man. I hope you don't mind if I don't interact with you for my duration in this game? Which is something I hope I can manage for my own sake and for the games atmosphere.

honestly man, rereading this post, lets not pretend your tone actually matched that post, I'm gunna assume what I want
and if every person I attack plays this game, its going to be an unfun game of mafia
I am already dead tonight in worst case worlds.

you people joke and joke and joke and joke, with your snide tones, and then when shit gets real, you act like the world is ending
I already unvoted you because you don't sound like mafia from how you reacted, that's pretty much all I needed

so just help me find mafia if you are town, and don't play like this
its not fun for everyone, you can talk to me, and I will listen, despite what you may think

[Wiisp]

imagine having suspicions on someone for literally weeks. Seeing someone's posts as manipulative / malicious is very painful normally. But now I'm in it I kinda realize this is gonna be more like "eh, I think this, this and this is bullshit" then that's it. It's not like you're not gonna be carrying that weight for weeks.

I'm p null on wiisp and leto. Maybe a townlean on leto if I squint really hard, but the slot seems kinda systematic so they could probably make that kind of analysis of my post irrespective of my alignment.

Scum probably are tempted to take a week off to reach nirvana before they post. I'ma begin by scumreading ppl who I suspect are lurking this / may try to lurk this.

-vote S-FM Magoroth

lets do some rereading, explain to me why you had to bother saying you had a null read on anyone, 11 posts into the game?
honestly man, I am still not feeling you town here, I keep wavering

-vote yzb25

[Wiisp]

Some rapid bullet thoughts.

- Please don't spam this game. Take the time to make long posts. The more posts we have, the harder this game is going to be because content is just so taxing for towns people to sift through over and over again. Please.

- I'm prepping for vacation and won't really be around till maybe Tuesday. And I'm in another s-fm that really deserves my attention as EoD is in 26 hours.

- I also think this game would be perfect to try informal bird voting. We certainly have the luxury of time to make sure everyone understands what's going on with it.

- In addition, given that we have hammer on, which is needlessly scum sided, I will not be voting until 3 days before Day End. I encourage everyone to do the same. Early hammer would be absolutely terrible and then we'd spend Day 2 debating if it was scummy to do so or not. I don't need to have that argument.

- Lastly, let's not resort to personal attacks. This is going to be a long game, and it'll be more likely to cause people to burn out. I'd love to see the end of the game with everyone here and have no replacements. I apologize in advance for my sheer stupidity.

you really only made 2 posts? really? after 3 days?
i'll give u the benefit of the doubt since u did say maybe tuesday? so i'll consider this a v/la
since this is massive amount of time to just not post, 3 weeks does not mean posting every 5-7 days is ok

[Wiisp]

@Bankieh
same goes for you, this is toxic behavior
not posting content regularly is toxic
I could probably say that your first post kinda makes you town, because its very rare to see mafia start with those kinds of posts
but you really need to make content

[Wiisp]

@Bankieh
same goes for you, this is toxic behavior
not posting content regularly is toxic
I could probably say that your first post kinda makes you town, because its very rare to see mafia start with those kinds of posts
but you really need to make content

@Bahkieh

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

@Bankieh
same goes for you, this is toxic behavior
not posting content regularly is toxic
I could probably say that your first post kinda makes you town, because its very rare to see mafia start with those kinds of posts
but you really need to make content

Bahkieh has made content. It may not be content up to your standards, but it's content nonetheless.

[Wiisp]

God:
Wisp

Town Leans:
Halz
Richard

Lesser Town Leans (probably for bad reasons)
Leto II

Don’t know how I feel about his outburst
Paul/Samson

Null:
Dark
Bahk
S-FM Magoroth
Samsung

Possible Scum:
(I wouldn’t take this too seriously, since we still have 4 complete nulls)
Yzb
Martin
MM

Gray is dead, don’t care

[Wiisp]

Bahkieh has made content. It may not be content up to your standards, but it's content nonetheless.

yaaaaa
lets agree to disagree there
maybe his first post, but I'm not taking his second post as content

[Wiisp]

like I'm not currently interested in Bankieh, but I would like him to try to change his playstyle up a bit given the day lengths
unless someone here can tell me a difference between his wolf and town game, that I can keep an eye out for

[Helz]

Hello and pleasant day. I am late for the party, but I am Samson. To my character I will be true, thus many questions will only be answered in riddles. You must decide the answers for yourselves but be warned, I shall not suffer cheaters to my riddles! Play me false and with the surest grip I shall grab your throat, pry open thy mouth, and rip out thy forked tongue. So cheat me not!

I'll read past posts later, just needed to make my entrance.

There is a part of me that still wishes I had fucked that blond stripper at your bachelor party.

Regardless its always nice to have a familiar face brother.

[Leto II]

Bahkieh has made content. It may not be content up to your standards, but it's content nonetheless.

Now in retrospect - I think we can see how this might of been not the most suited setup for this unique game length.
When you know that your time is limited - you naturally want to push others for more content.
Now if you add it being caused by one's own misplay - just think of what it does to the subconscious mind. I think it's quite natural to subconsciously want to blame others for a lack of content whenever anything even slightly not serious or gamesolvy appears.
The man himself used his early posts to chit chat. Now he can't the sight of even a slightly not "I want to lynch this guy" vote, even though given the day length we should be barely out of RVS.
I think only a rare few players wouldn't become a pain in the ass being in God's shoes in a situation like this.
I sincerely believe that this is a far from optimal setup for the day lengths, and would result in toxicity in many playthroughs. And that's not including the theme of the setup. xD

I swear @Marshmallow Marshall is secretly a troll and made this setup predicting all of this. xD

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

Now in retrospect - I think we can see how this might of been not the most suited setup for this unique game length.
When you know that your time is limited - you naturally want to push others for more content.
Now if you add it being caused by one's own misplay - just think of what it does to the subconscious mind. I think it's quite natural to subconsciously want to blame others for a lack of content whenever anything even slightly not serious or gamesolvy appears.
The man himself used his early posts to chit chat. Now he can't the sight of even a slightly not "I want to lynch this guy" vote, even though given the day length we should be barely out of RVS.
I think only a rare few players wouldn't become a pain in the ass being in God's shoes in a situation like this.
I sincerely believe that this is a far from optimal setup for the day lengths, and would result in toxicity in many playthroughs. And that's not including the theme of the setup. xD

I swear @Marshmallow Marshall is secretly a troll and made this setup predicting all of this. xD

Your analysis of the subconscious is interesting. I did enjoy reading this post, and for that I thank you.

yaaaaa
lets agree to disagree there
maybe his first post, but I'm not taking his second post as content

Unlike my counterpart, I am not interested in kissing your feet just because you rolled the "God" role. The days are 3 weeks long for science's sake. Let the man post at his pace. There's plenty of time for it.

[Helz]

Now in retrospect - I think we can see how this might of been not the most suited setup for this unique game length.
When you know that your time is limited - you naturally want to push others for more content.
Now if you add it being caused by one's own misplay - just think of what it does to the subconscious mind. I think it's quite natural to subconsciously want to blame others for a lack of content whenever anything even slightly not serious or gamesolvy appears.
The man himself used his early posts to chit chat. Now he can't the sight of even a slightly not "I want to lynch this guy" vote, even though given the day length we should be barely out of RVS.
I think only a rare few players wouldn't become a pain in the ass being in God's shoes in a situation like this.
I sincerely believe that this is a far from optimal setup for the day lengths, and would result in toxicity in many playthroughs. And that's not including the theme of the setup. xD

I swear @Marshmallow Marshall is secretly a troll and made this setup predicting all of this. xD

So I am a bit drunk right now and my filter is off.
So please allow me to be the first to tell you to go fuck yourself on your crying about the game not being what you wanted after being given the opportunity to change the game into what you wanted but you did not take advantage of that. The setup thread is blatantly asking for feedback.

I swear Leto II is a troll who has an OOG agenda : P

[Hybrid Richard Dawkins]

Woah bro let's not be toxic right?

Right guys?

Right?

[Helz]

Woah bro let's not be toxic right?

Right guys?

Right?

Lol. Yeah, That was a dick move on my part.

Btw though. When I pretended to smite your slot you guys flat out stopped talking and repeatedly logged in to check if you flipped. What was going on in your minds there? I would have expected a town that thought they were about to flip to start dumping their reads as opposed to going silent mode and checking in on what happened...