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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    MAAAATTTT
    I'm here, I'm just trying to decide if DM is tunneling on me because he's a lazy scum going for the first person he feels he can paint or if he's lazy town who's literally only bothered to pay attention to the person voting him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Hi, brb in an hour. Just got off work
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Rng gods love me. Back to rolling citizen, thank god
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Thank you RNGESUS
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Lol okay deputy marshmallow. You didn't have that issue the last time we played
    I spent most of last game thinking I was a scum-aligned neutral. I wanted to pocket Mesk by accepting her claim.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Incorrect actually.

    Illuminati role variants for the mafia can't backstab/night-kill their mafia buds. The real non-illuminati ones can. Hence why there's two role-cards in the setup for illuminati and non-illuminati ones.

    So if there's an illuminati witch hunt the godfather or the consigliere can kill each other if they're the real one

    Thus proving them as....uh...."town" non-illuminati.

    Unless they're both non-illuminati and they kill each other in a single night, in which case that's very bad if there's illuminati (or very good for town if there isn't illuminati).

    Some things are better left unsaid xD.
    This isn't scummy since if you were any scum role, you could just point it out in your chat when the time comes, but meh.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Oh and I hardclaim conspiracy theorist.

    I'm recanting n1, with full acknowledgement that this gives ~65% chance of just out-right losing on my part.

    (50/50 from chances of Illuminati existing and I auto-lose as per role-card, and another 15% chance where I live and rand jester and lose horribly because I hardclaimed my role and intent here).

    Since I have an auto-vest on n1, I can only be killed by my own action on N1, thus meaning if I die there is 100% illuminati.

    And if I don't die, there 100% is NO illuminati.

    I'm partially doing this because I don't wish to live to n2 or n3 having to deal with possible illuminati mind-fuckery.
    If there is illuminati and a townie dies N1, asssuming we mislynch today (which isn't very unlikely), the Illuminati instantly win. This is even more true if there's an illuminati Mayor, in which case we literally lose right away if there are illuminati.
    As for you benefiting from that or not, well, you're literally throwing your game away in most cases as you pointed out yourself. The setup isn't meant for that, and you aren't supposed to want to play this suboptimally xD.
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    But, on the plus side,

    If there is Illuminati then I just saved the non-illuminati faction a ton and don't have to worry about who's mafia and who's town.
    no, you simply screw us over in most cases because we effectively lose a townie :P
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post

    Some things are better left unsaid xD.
    This isn't scummy since if you were any scum role, you could just point it out in your chat when the time comes, but meh.

    If there is illuminati and a townie dies N1, asssuming we mislynch today (which isn't very unlikely), the Illuminati instantly win. This is even more true if there's an illuminati Mayor, in which case we literally lose right away if there are illuminati.
    As for you benefiting from that or not, well, you're literally throwing your game away in most cases as you pointed out yourself. The setup isn't meant for that, and you aren't supposed to want to play this suboptimally xD.


    no, you simply screw us over in most cases because we effectively lose a townie :P
    Hi, I already said this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I spent most of last game thinking I was a scum-aligned neutral. I wanted to pocket Mesk by accepting her claim.
    WOWOWOW. I didn't give much credit to Frinckles' "you didn't have that issue last time we played", but this is bullshit.

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed
    In case someone isn't believing my claim, I've crumbed it A LOT. I have OPENLY neutral slipped several times (calling for cit/TP1/TP2 claims, never considering benign neut, I've considered the possibility of someone being Vengeful Harpy, etc) I used variations of the word "Holy" "Guard" and "Spirit" in posts directed at Helz, sometimes doing so with really awkward phrasing. I honestly stopped keeping track of all of them, but the posts include 18, 26, 52, 55, 57, 127, 151, 386, 963, 964. I said in post 16 that Helz was "my peek." If you're seriously doubting my claim I can dig up more posts where I did things specifically directed at Helz to let him know.

    I determined fairly early on Helz was town, so I needed to side with town to win. For those of you townreading me, THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS BASICALLY TOWN. I just had the harder wincon that town needed to win AND Helz needed to be alive for it, which was basically impossible.
    Link because I can't quote with quote-link from the Archive: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...499#post908499

    -vote MattZed

    And with some seriousness this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Hi, I already said this.
    Yea I read it afterwards XD. Well I agree with it lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    You're gonna sell me that you scumread mesk with a straight face? Damn bro
    I think claiming Cit is scummy in this setup, moreso than others because of possible Illuminati motivation.

    I'll concede that DM AND Mesk being Illuminati would be an extremely bold play: at least one of them isn't an Illuminati cit, so if they flipped a non-cit town role it would immediately give away that we have an Illuminati. But it's also possible one or more of them are mafia thinking a cit claim would get them credit. It's not strongest scumtell, but we're on page 3, Mesk is online, and in the wrong setup (E/F) we can't even afford a misyeet today. We don't really have the liberty of not being productive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    WOWOWOW. I didn't give much credit to Frinckles' "you didn't have that issue last time we played", but this is bullshit.


    Link because I can't quote with quote-link from the Archive: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...499#post908499

    -vote MattZed

    And with some seriousness this time.
    I lied when I made that post. When Helz flipped, I decided to townside to avenge him and felt "oh yeah I've been town-sided this whole time" would earn town's trust much better than "I thought Helz was scum and was actively effort posting and trying to pocket people to make it easier for Helz to win." @Auwt , please confirm I spent a LOT of time PM'ing you that I thought Helz was scum and was trying to help scum last game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    When I pushed you D2 last game it was because I was very certain you weren't Helz' partner. (I thought that was Mike, for the record) I was even prepared to CC you if you claimed TP1. (although I don't think I told Auwt that part)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    ... did you not see my post explaining how anti-town and pro-Illuminati it is to claim cit D1?

    -vote Mesk514
    No, cause I've been at work for 12 hours and haven't read shit. But I don't care either 🤷🏻*♀️
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    :shrug:

    I'm rolling the dice.

    Besides, I will never know for 100% certain if recanting is the right choice since the A/D win conditions demand that I recant....and my own investigative check can even fail / be insane-y.
    I support yzb's motion to lynch you tomorrow if you recant tonight and don't die.
    RECANT YOUR INTENT TO RECANT! At this point, you're nearly 100 % losing if you don't, which... you shouldn't be doing.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    When I pushed you D2 last game it was because I was very certain you weren't Helz' partner. (I thought that was Mike, for the record) I was even prepared to CC you if you claimed TP1. (although I don't think I told Auwt that part)
    As the last bit I'm going to say on this:

    Screen Shot 2020-12-17 at 20.00.49.png
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I lied when I made that post. When Helz flipped, I decided to townside to avenge him and felt "oh yeah I've been town-sided this whole time" would earn town's trust much better than "I thought Helz was scum and was actively effort posting and trying to pocket people to make it easier for Helz to win." @Auwt , please confirm I spent a LOT of time PM'ing you that I thought Helz was scum and was trying to help scum last game.
    I'll wait on Auwt's confirmation lol, but that would make much more sense than you actually trying to help town while playing like you did last game.
    on the other hand, Helz was quite the obvtown so I'll really leave that to Auwt
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    As the last bit I'm going to say on this:

    Screen Shot 2020-12-17 at 20.00.49.png
    Ok then lol
    -vote unvote


    Note that this doesn't make MattZed towny in any way, just not scummy in any way either.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    You sadly picked the wrong game to make a cute d1 neut play. My sensei taught me to lynch all neut claims on sight, but never admit it in a game. Sorry <3
    I like this, even though it's obviously possible to post from any alignment. The tone and the intent seem towny.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Ok then lol
    -vote unvote


    Note that this doesn't make MattZed towny in any way, just not scummy in any way either.
    We've been mindmelding most of this game. Do you really think the cit claims are NAI?

    I'm not saying "OMG LOCKSCUM," but the two cit claims are frankly the scummiest thing I've seen so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Cit claiming is extremely scummy and we already have 2 of them.

    Not a fan.
    @FrostByte "maybe there is some hope for this site after all"
    - S-FM AIVION

    Mesk claiming cit is literally of no value whatsoever. It's like she didn't post. She'd post that as anything. Let's keep the WIFOM alive and move on.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    We've been mindmelding most of this game. Do you really think the cit claims are NAI?

    I'm not saying "OMG LOCKSCUM," but the two cit claims are frankly the scummiest thing I've seen so far.
    Anti-town, sure. Scummy, no. Certainly not towny either (even though it's in DM's meta to do weird stuff like that), but not scummy.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    How dare someone claim cit before I do.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    @FrostByte "maybe there is some hope for this site after all"
    - S-FM AIVION

    Mesk claiming cit is literally of no value whatsoever. It's like she didn't post. She'd post that as anything. Let's keep the WIFOM alive and move on.
    Then let me pitch you a different angle: If you really think it's of no value, then Mesk has posted pure fluff this game. Join me in pressuring her into contributing more: she's the best candidate to pressure now. We need EVERYONE to contribute material. We might not even be able to afford a misyeet today.
    @Renegade , that goes for you too
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    How do you feel about the other cit claimers?
    I actually am a cit, so of course I'm weary of all other citizen claims. I highly doubt all town can be citizens
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

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    Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Having standards this low for a "good strategy" is like BL game throwing. (Dw I'm not reporting u or anything lmao)
    I have the exact same opinion here. Doing this in a ladder game that has a setup which explicitely prevents the neutral from doing this with good odds is just sad
    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    You aren't as upset about rolling cit :0
    Uh, I'd say he looked pretty upset.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I’m not really going to pay much attention to this game.
    But the question is, is Matt’s thought here genuine or is it just an opportunity to discredit people.
    If Matt and MM are the scum team here (AKA Strongest Players) I wouldn’t be surprised.
    I also wanted MM’s 7 Slot but instead I get the worst slot in the game.
    Even the chances of my role to role is low.
    Maybe even too upset. This is a ladder game, once again, and it'd be nice if you would play the game.
    This reasoning is terrible. "X and Y are the strongest players, so they're probably scum"? Really? And if you don't mean we're probably scum but simply that "you wouldn't be surprised because it could happen", then you're posting pure fluff. Bad post. I'm not even sure it's scummy, it's just bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I’m very upset.
    Never said I wasn’t, in fact I was implying that I was.
    I was just saying that if Illuminati exists, town already lost if they ML anyone other then me.
    Uh, town loses if it mislynches too much, too, and you don't seem exactly keen to help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    That’s how bad it is putting a VT in a setup like this.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I’m not going to waste my time verbally fighting.
    Because that’s what I’d have to do with this role.
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I wouldn’t be surprised if this [my first shitpost saying mattzed is illuminati confirmed because he's the setup creator] is legit Tbh.
    The temptation to policy lynch this is strong. @Dark Magician , either you give better input than that or an army of squirrels rains upon you and murders you. The choice is yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

 

 

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