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  1. ISO #401

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    As I said before it bothers me that you look at that difference to indicate I must be town when last game the setup and my role both required me to sit on the town/scum fence. I have flat out told you this is my Obvious Town style as well as that I play it as scum; but you keep insisting that it means I am town making me question if you have an informed perspective and know that I am very likely to be town.
    I think I've been rather transparent about my perspective in most of the posts I've directed at you.
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  2. ISO #402

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Your first interaction towards me was basically "these aren't good enough!" so I'm entitled to say yes they are.
    Sure but then you backtracked when questioned, and then overplayed your confidence, then backtracked again when questioned, then overplayed your confidence again and here you are backtracking again.

    Annnd nobody is entitled to shit.
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    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
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    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  3. ISO #403

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Sure but then you backtracked when questioned, and then overplayed your confidence, then backtracked again when questioned, then overplayed your confidence again and here you are backtracking again.

    Annnd nobody is entitled to shit.
    They are good reads.
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  4. ISO #404

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    I kinda feel like we just filled almost an entire page with "OMGUS" arguments

    @Frinckles @FrostByte Your interactions just look like your getting etch-other frustrated and not generating very useful content past that I can say your almost certainly not teamed. May want to consider stepping back and approaching things differently. I can't imagine either of you are having fun right now.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  5. ISO #405

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I kinda feel like we just filled almost an entire page with "OMGUS" arguments

    @Frinckles @FrostByte Your interactions just look like your getting etch-other frustrated and not generating very useful content past that I can say your almost certainly not teamed. May want to consider stepping back and approaching things differently. I can't imagine either of you are having fun right now.
    I tried doing this already.
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  6. ISO #406

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    Wow, My confidence went from a 6 from a 3 out of 10 reading the last 2 pages. helz point on Mat was what was gnawing at me to give him a town read. I can not see Scum anyone to even bring that up. Matzed posts are hard town sided. I would not want to lynch thses people today

    Helz
    MM
    Oberon
    FB
    Mat

    any of the other 3 I am not agests. OTher than DM for now. not responding to host is not AI.

    So I guess I am ok with lynching eather Freckles or mesk. today.

    Freckles
    Mesk
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  7. ISO #407

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    I'm looking through Frinckles'/FrostByte's posts again, and I'm noticing the FB is really shifting into high effort modes. (a lot of posts, responding to multiple ideas at once, discussing his theory of scumhunting)

    But Frinckles is staying low effort.

    No idea if I make anything if this development yet.
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  8. ISO #408

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    -vote Helz

    with intent to lynch.
    top scumread and top townread from everyone, NOW.
    Just poking back through some stuff I do not see scum Oberon making this post.

    I will also say I am more comfortable with Matt than I let on. He is consistently reacting very well to my prods.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  9. ISO #409

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'm looking through Frinckles'/FrostByte's posts again, and I'm noticing the FB is really shifting into high effort modes. (a lot of posts, responding to multiple ideas at once, discussing his theory of scumhunting)

    But Frinckles is staying low effort.

    No idea if I make anything if this development yet.
    Look at the train on FB?

    Town tends to get trained hard day 1.

    Unless I am teamed with FB? I am not.

    FB I belive is town. I know this gets me scum read but I dont give a flip. I am going agests Majority. but I do belive FB is town not Neutral or Mafia. pure town. his reactions to Cit claims lowering the PR pool. feels genuine. I belive Mafia is hard pushing for his lynch. I can no say why but I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH FB TODAY!!!
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  10. ISO #410

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I can no say why but I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH FB TODAY!!!
    If you straight up want to claim Guardian its cool man. Its not an anti-town role.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  11. ISO #411

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Look at the train on FB?

    Town tends to get trained hard day 1.

    Unless I am teamed with FB? I am not.

    FB I belive is town. I know this gets me scum read but I dont give a flip. I am going agests Majority. but I do belive FB is town not Neutral or Mafia. pure town. his reactions to Cit claims lowering the PR pool. feels genuine. I belive Mafia is hard pushing for his lynch. I can no say why but I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH FB TODAY!!!
    So in your perspective, Frinckles basically has to be scum. Does that make sense to you independently of how you feel about FB?
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  12. ISO #412

  13. ISO #413

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    So in your perspective, Frinckles basically has to be scum. Does that make sense to you independently of how you feel about FB?
    No i am not saying Frinckles has to be Scum. But has the highest equity to be scum. So playing the odds to hit scum I feel Frinkles is the best shot. I made it clear how I feel about FB. I feel like your prodding into me to clarify more on FB is a bit anti town.
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  14. ISO #414

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    He's not guardian.
    What makes you sure of that?
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  15. ISO #415

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    He's not guardian.
    Correct but how did you know that? Are you the other Neutral???
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  16. ISO #416

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    What makes you sure of that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Correct but how did you know that? Are you the other Neutral???
    Mike is BLEEDING town, and I don't appreciate one of my townreads being shifted to a neutral pile.

    Mike just is not at all acting as someone with the perspective of a HGS, and I'm a bit surprised if you can't see it at this point.
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  17. ISO #417

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Mike is BLEEDING town, and I don't appreciate one of my townreads being shifted to a neutral pile.

    Mike just is not at all acting as someone with the perspective of a HGS, and I'm a bit surprised if you can't see it at this point.
    I very honestly would like to see one of the big town reads end up being a town sided neutral very much. Digging through some triangulation and everyone just has too many town reads reinforcing my belief that one of them must be power wolfing well.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  18. ISO #418

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    I truly dont know more of what we can get out of today other than hear from DM. If DM ends up being one of the mafia team Would explain a lot on the town reads.
    I truly think Frinckles is Scum not sure if he is Neutral or MAfia.

    If there is a Neutral Guardian they should out no reason for town to Kill them also would not make sense for mafia to kill them. This would help us narrow down the reads as well. Mafia would never be so bold as to claim that role if they did soon as the real one flips they would be outed.

    Insane Harpy or Guardian if you are out there openly claim. For balance I would think that Guardian target would be Town. That would give us a near confirmed town. with the neutral. it also will help us evaluate the people pushing on them.

    if not then we have a EXE or Senator. and tonight will answer that one.

    So I still think Frinkles is our best lynch for today.
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  19. ISO #419

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    this game is getting boring fast. I am going to go for a while. Please if you town read me lay off FB.
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  20. ISO #420

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I very honestly would like to see one of the big town reads end up being a town sided neutral very much. Digging through some triangulation and everyone just has too many town reads reinforcing my belief that one of them must be power wolfing well.
    I think that's what we'll end up seeing. Having three scum is quite incompatible with my current perspective on the game.

    But as I've said before, we don't need to pay attention to the neutral right now. If there's a senator, we'll find out tomorrow. Right now, it's time to sort out FB vs Frinckles. (unless you really think it's TvT, which I doubt) I'm currently leaning toward FB being scum, *especially* with how his behavior picked up a lot since he got a train. A mini-timeline I have in my notes:

    9 - Frinckles votes FrostByte
    247 - FB shows up for the second part of D1
    274 - MM votes FrostByte
    291 - I vote FrostByte
    300 - FB says he doesn't have reads and was very tired when he scumleaned Helz, starts making a lot of posts
    350 - FrostByte votes Frinckles

    Post 247, where FrostByte shows he's awake for today, and post 300, where FrostByte really starts responding and starts responding to everyone's posts, are 90 minutes apart. He's now the #2 poster. If he was always going to spring into action today, why didn't he do so sooner? It's not like post 300 or 301 were massive wallposts; they don't take a lot of time to make. So why is he talking more now? Because he knows his ass is on the line.

    I think FrostByte started off trying to be a lurker scum, and is now really trying to defend himself. Going after the next-most-viable yeet candidate is especially telling.

    I'm not ruling out the possibility that he's town. (If Frinckles is in fact scum, it could be FB voted Frinckles because he picked up on this scumminess. However, given his scumlean on you, I'm more inclined to believe he's been faking reads this game) It's D1, and there's only so much to go off of. But I *certainly* don't see a better person to yeet right now. (We have a replacement for DM lined up, and *if* he's a TPR, he wouldn't be able to claim to defend himself)
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  21. ISO #421

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'm looking through Frinckles'/FrostByte's posts again, and I'm noticing the FB is really shifting into high effort modes. (a lot of posts, responding to multiple ideas at once, discussing his theory of scumhunting)

    But Frinckles is staying low effort.

    No idea if I make anything if this development yet.
    High effort lol

    Having a monologue about hating meta and not liking reads list (while calling one not good enough) is not high effort. He's a boxed wolf who is tunneling me to survive another day. Even when I wanted to stop conversing with him after we had already crossed votes, he kept at it because it gives him something to do. Don't twist our conversation and say I'm low effort because I don't feel inclined to respond to his mental gymnastics and double quoting.
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  22. ISO #422

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    He also kept throwing low-effort scumpaint at me by insinuating that my reads list was dishonest and only for towncred or some shit. When you asked me for one Matt. He's full of shit and didn't even read my posts before picking a fight.
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  23. ISO #423

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    Oh god, don't you ever tag me in a day 1 post including preflip associations. That shit is atrocious
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  24. ISO #424

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    So just to try something new... Behold! The giant table of stances~
    Person Reads Are On ----> Oberon FrostByte Frinckles Marshmallow Dark Magician Mesk514 Mike MattZed Helz
    Oberon ---x--- Lean Scum? Lean Scum? Null Lean Scum? Lean Town
    FrostByte ---x--- Scum Null Lean Scum?
    Frinckles Town Scum ---x--- Strong Town Null Town Null Lean Town Null
    Marshmallow Soft Town Scum Soft Town ---x--- Null Lean Town Strong Town Lean Town Town
    Dark Magician ---x---
    Mesk514 ---x---
    Mike Null Null? Scum Soft Town Null Null ---x--- Scum? Strong Town
    MattZed Null Soft Town Soft Scum? Town Null Lean Town Town ---x--- Town
    Helz Soft Town Soft Scum Null Lean Town Null Null Soft Town Soft Town ---x---
    So this is what I gather from chat so far. A few notes:

    -Oberons 'positions' were largely inferred from him voting people. I think the only real position he took was an FoS on me based on my trolling before I had a role card.
    -Frostbyte has not taken much of a position and is widely scum read I feel uncomfortable that he is the 2nd highest poster but I have no real feeling of his outlook on the game although this is in part from his post style and 1v1 with Frinckles
    -Frinckles has clearly taken positions although I did find it odd when MM swapped from the bottom to the top between posts 285 - 383
    -Marshmallow is widly town read and clearly communicating positions but has more town leans than slots in the game
    -Dark Magician still MIA
    -Mesk is oddly town read and I had to note going through her Iso she has provided about as many thoughts on the game as Dark Magician. The expressed meta logic being the cit claim mostly?
    -Mike oddly has a low amount of reads expressed on him but those that there are feel town. He consistently focuses on vote patterns and seems to favor Frinckles > Frost today under that reasoning
    -MattZed is pretty widely town read

    I think Frinckles, FrostByte, Mesk makes sense as the D1 pool by consensus. I am not sure if a policy DM lynch makes sense given we have a massive replacement pool this game.

    I would like to hear more from them as the day pushes on as well as more from Oberon.

    If anyone wants to fill in a blank or correct me for misrepresenting your view feel free.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  25. ISO #425

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    Now ima run and whip up some maple sausage queso for my dirty bulking like a fat kid : )
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  26. ISO #426

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    FrostByte (3 [L-2]):
    MattZed, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles
    Frinckles (2 [L-3]):
    FrostByte, Mike
    Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-4]):
    Oberon
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  27. ISO #427

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    @Helz , I was wondering what you were up to lurking so long

    You can update my Frinckles to null and FB to scum. I'm maybe on the verge of soft scum with FB, but at this point I'm ready to lock in "it's time for FB to roleclaim or die."

    I'm not opposed to adding Mesk to the yeet list for today, but I'm not going to be the one driving that train.
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  29. ISO #429

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    So just to try something new... Behold! The giant table of stances~
    Person Reads Are On ----> Oberon FrostByte Frinckles Marshmallow Dark Magician Mesk514 Mike MattZed Helz
    Oberon ---x--- Lean Scum? Lean Scum? Null Lean Scum? Lean Town
    FrostByte ---x--- Scum Null Lean Scum?
    Frinckles Town Scum ---x--- Strong Town Null Town Null Lean Town Null
    Marshmallow Soft Town Scum Soft Town ---x--- Null Lean Town Strong Town Lean Town Town
    Dark Magician ---x---
    Mesk514 ---x---
    Mike Null Null? Scum Soft Town Null Null ---x--- Scum? Strong Town
    MattZed Null Soft Town Soft Scum? Town Null Lean Town Town ---x--- Town
    Helz Soft Town Soft Scum Null Lean Town Null Null Soft Town Soft Town ---x---
    So this is what I gather from chat so far. A few notes:

    -Oberons 'positions' were largely inferred from him voting people. I think the only real position he took was an FoS on me based on my trolling before I had a role card.
    -Frostbyte has not taken much of a position and is widely scum read I feel uncomfortable that he is the 2nd highest poster but I have no real feeling of his outlook on the game although this is in part from his post style and 1v1 with Frinckles
    -Frinckles has clearly taken positions although I did find it odd when MM swapped from the bottom to the top between posts 285 - 383
    -Marshmallow is widly town read and clearly communicating positions but has more town leans than slots in the game
    -Dark Magician still MIA
    -Mesk is oddly town read and I had to note going through her Iso she has provided about as many thoughts on the game as Dark Magician. The expressed meta logic being the cit claim mostly?
    -Mike oddly has a low amount of reads expressed on him but those that there are feel town. He consistently focuses on vote patterns and seems to favor Frinckles > Frost today under that reasoning
    -MattZed is pretty widely town read

    I think Frinckles, FrostByte, Mesk makes sense as the D1 pool by consensus. I am not sure if a policy DM lynch makes sense given we have a massive replacement pool this game.

    I would like to hear more from them as the day pushes on as well as more from Oberon.

    If anyone wants to fill in a blank or correct me for misrepresenting your view feel free.
    I have FB as town. Like I said his reactions to the cit claims feels genuine and it is the same way I felt. Freckles early hard cit claim and then hard town reading anyone who did is God Awfull. I stand behind that read. FB has not tryed to look townie. Freckles has will say something townie and then bring that up over and over as if he is trying to look townie. I feel FB is going over to easy here. This lynch does not feel right.
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  30. ISO #430

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    @Helz , I was wondering what you were up to lurking so long

    You can update my Frinckles to null and FB to scum. I'm maybe on the verge of soft scum with FB, but at this point I'm ready to lock in "it's time for FB to roleclaim or die."

    I'm not opposed to adding Mesk to the yeet list for today, but I'm not going to be the one driving that train.
    No no no no no no this is awfull 100% awfull.
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  31. ISO #431

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I would also like to repeat:

    We should not yeet Dark Magician today. If he's a TPR, he can't claim it in his defense. We have more than enough replacements for his slot.
    Why are you trying to out all the TPR”s
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  34. ISO #434

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Why are you trying to out all the TPR”s
    I'm not. If I thought FrostByte was a TPR, I wouldn't be voting him right now. I think he's scum, but *IF* he's a TPR, he should have the chance to claim such before he's hammered, especially because TPRs can't be CC'd by other town in this setup.

    I also have *no* interest in hearing Dark Magician's role right now. I'm simply pointing out we shouldn't yeet him because, if he's a TPR, he can't use the "I'm an un-CC'd TPR, therefore unvote me" defense that any other TPR could use.

    But now that you mention it, I should be more clear on something:

    I don't want to hear FrostByte's role. *If* there are enough people on board with me to yeet him, I want to hear a cit/TP1/TP2 claim.
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  38. ISO #438

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I don't want to hear FrostByte's role. *If* there are enough people on board with me to yeet him, I want to hear a cit/TP1/TP2 claim.
    I like this a lot. It allows us to sort CC's while giving absolute minimal information to scum.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  39. ISO #439

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    @Helz , @Oberon , I'd like one of you to ask FrostByte to claim cit/TP1/TP2. If either of you joined the train, it'd be basically impossible to FrostByte to avoid the yeet. (since DM isn't here and I don't see anyone else getting 4 votes) Unless you've both changed your mind on FB, it's time to hear his claim.

    Helz's table of claims makes me feel all the more certain FB is scum. Who else goes to #2 poster and his only read is a scumread on the person with the 2nd highest number of votes? How can he make 60+ posts with so few read-like opinions if he's not scum? If he were town trying to save himself, he would know there's AT LEAST 2 scum out there and doesn't need to tunnel on Frinckles when it's possible he could instead nail another scum. This kind of tunnelvision really strikes me as belly-up scum.
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    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  40. ISO #440

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'm not opposed to adding Mesk to the yeet list for today, but I'm not going to be the one driving that train.
    I am not going to push for it but as I said, her contributions have been on par with DM's. I do think the players who town read her should skim her Iso. She would be viable for CFD if that becomes something at days end.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  41. ISO #441

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I am not going to push for it but as I said, her contributions have been on par with DM's. I do think the players who town read her should skim her Iso. She would be viable for CFD if that becomes something at days end.
    I'm a bit busy IRL, but I'll get to an ISO in a few hours to see if she's a viable backup if FB is a TPR.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  42. ISO #442

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'm not. If I thought FrostByte was a TPR, I wouldn't be voting him right now. I think he's scum, but *IF* he's a TPR, he should have the chance to claim such before he's hammered, especially because TPRs can't be CC'd by other town in this setup.

    I also have *no* interest in hearing Dark Magician's role right now. I'm simply pointing out we shouldn't yeet him because, if he's a TPR, he can't use the "I'm an un-CC'd TPR, therefore unvote me" defense that any other TPR could use.

    But now that you mention it, I should be more clear on something:

    I don't want to hear FrostByte's role. *If* there are enough people on board with me to yeet him, I want to hear a cit/TP1/TP2 claim.
    Is my tpr read on him bad??? Am I litterly the only one who is tpr reading him?
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  43. ISO #443

  44. ISO #444

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Is my tpr read on him bad??? Am I litterly the only one who is tpr reading him?
    I saw what you were getting at but I just don't see it.

    From his play off the top of my head this is my thinking:

    Last game I played with him he was Town. He was low participation D1 and going into D2 I poked him for participation and he basically told me to fuck off. That is totally consistent with his play this game but his interactions with Frinckles feel very different to me. I really felt like he was going hard ATE this time while he had more reasoning last game. He is also tearing at Frinckles arguments with strawman attacks and his tone felt almost frantic. It reminded me of how I feel when I am totally scum but someone is scum reading me for a reason that makes no sense to me.

    Granted I do still need to do a full Iso on him as well as a few others and perhaps my opinion could change if we get to see him partake in the game outside of the defensive 1v1 with Frinckles.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  45. ISO #445

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Just a reminder. Theres still 18 hours left in the day. I feel like there is a.. vibe.. like we are in the final moments of the day about to drop the hammer and there is no reason for that. We have plenty of time.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  46. ISO #446

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I saw what you were getting at but I just don't see it.

    From his play off the top of my head this is my thinking:

    Last game I played with him he was Town. He was low participation D1 and going into D2 I poked him for participation and he basically told me to fuck off. That is totally consistent with his play this game but his interactions with Frinckles feel very different to me. I really felt like he was going hard ATE this time while he had more reasoning last game. He is also tearing at Frinckles arguments with strawman attacks and his tone felt almost frantic. It reminded me of how I feel when I am totally scum but someone is scum reading me for a reason that makes no sense to me.

    Granted I do still need to do a full Iso on him as well as a few others and perhaps my opinion could change if we get to see him partake in the game outside of the defensive 1v1 with Frinckles.
    Only 2 scum and I could be wrong. I will help.
    -vote Frostbyte
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  47. ISO #447

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    You just put him at L1. May want to hold back for hammer control. There is no need to end the day early.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  48. ISO #448

  49. ISO #449

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Well he is at L1. There is not anymore pressure than being at L1. I hope you are right and freckles is town and FB is the scum. I still think it is the other way. But if I am litterly the one one who is reading that I can admit when I am wrong.
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  50. ISO #450

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    I think it would be a good move for us to examine Frinckles and Frost a bit closer. I don't think a single player has made a real case on him. Its just been people making points here and there.

    I would be disappointed if we hammerd a town and then actually looked through him tonight and realized a more in depth read woulda prevented it.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

 

 

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