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  1. ISO #101

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Are you going to name names or just claim that *someone* is being suspicious?
    too early honestly to really even bother. JUST KNOW IM WATCHING YOU ALL
    while I like to lay it all out on the table like the good little whore I am, not at the very beginning. there's gotta be some work put in first.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  2. ISO #102

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    by vote logic eather me and you are MAfia teammates. and we are both hard open wolfing or
    Oberon at L3 and no one jumping on that is sus also he is voting SB16.

    I am going to step away becuse the more I look at it the more I want to tunnel my read. I will post more later when I have a clear mindset.
    You are definitely overthinking this. Scum wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves by turning the Oberon train from RVS to "oh he might get yeeted." Would be VERY MUCH a powerwolf play, and many of the players with the energy to be powerwolves are probably town.

    But the possibility that he's scum and his teammate just isn't voting him is very real.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  3. ISO #103

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Just because of the way the game is kicking off I am going to start by advocating our days end lynch is out of a lurker. Voicing support for this incentives players for participation.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  4. ISO #104

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    I should clarify and say 'low contribution player'
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  5. ISO #105

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Just because of the way the game is kicking off I am going to start by advocating our days end lynch is out of a lurker. Voicing support for this incentives players for participation.
    I'll support this unless someone like Mike can make an actual case.

    -vote Dark Magician


    Put your vote where your mouth is!
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  6. ISO #106

  7. ISO #107

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Lol.
    Yeah, I don't know if anyone else has played with game moral to push win-con but its something I do from time to time. I wanted wolves to push harder for their win and town to get lazy. Unknown carried our team that game though.

    Marshmallow Marshall gets the very slightest of town points from me for his focus to break RvS. He is actively working to push the game into a playable state which is critically important for us today given that a D1 lynch is mandatory.

    Oberon also gets the very slightest of town points for hitting on PR hunting. The 3 games I have read through or played which he was in he hits on that tell literally every game as town. I dont know his meta to know if he would do the same as scum but take that for what it is. That post was consistent with the way he views Mafia

    I will do some town lead plays this game but keep in mind I will also have decent chunks of non-participation. I was really hopeing that the game would start next week and almost immediately subbed out but I really like the player line up and it was hard for me to pass up you calling me out for a re-match.
    Without wanting to engage in a tunnel, I have a question... do you consider mechanical talk as "non-playable" or something close to that? If not, can you explain the blue part?

    I like your point about Oberon and PR hunting, btw; it makes sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  8. ISO #108

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Just because of the way the game is kicking off I am going to start by advocating our days end lynch is out of a lurker. Voicing support for this incentives players for participation.
    You have my full support.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  9. ISO #109

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    You have my full support.
    Y'all need to start pressure voting. "You've just logged on and have 3 votes" is a much better way to encourage participation than "I hope you you saw that one post where we said we'd yeet a lurker."
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  10. ISO #110

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I am referring to knowing if they are town. Don't care about then if they are Cit or PR it is day 1.

    Mesk can be Cit, PR, Neutral or Mafia. But the "naw they cit" can be TMI or just a strong read. But to catch mafia it is the small things people over look. is how you find them.
    "naw they cit" can just be something said without much conviction at the beginning of a game, too. I don't think that's AI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    no scum reads. but scum leans are You, Oberon, Mesk, Frinckles, and MM. Only town lean i have is Helz. Yes I understand in this setup only 2 scum. but This is what I have so fare like i said no real Scum reads just scum leans. and not hard town reads just a Slight town lean.
    Can you explain your scum leans a bit? Or are those just gut reads?
    Also, is saying there are only 2 scum a neutral slip??? :P
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  11. ISO #111

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Y'all need to start pressure voting. "You've just logged on and have 3 votes" is a much better way to encourage participation than "I hope you you saw that one post where we said we'd yeet a lurker."
    Fair point, and Helz doesn't exactly seem to need pressure atm. I can always look at his tacos later.

    -vote Frinckles
    Don't pull an Undercover scum style, come and exist with us
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  12. ISO #112

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Fair point, and Helz doesn't exactly seem to need pressure atm. I can always look at his tacos later.

    -vote Frinckles
    Don't pull an Undercover scum style, come and exist with us
    I'd rather go for the person who literally hasn't posted, but I can settle for the person who had the chance to post and posted little.

    -vote Frinckles
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  13. ISO #113

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    -vote unvote

    since i guess we've moved passed the random bullshit beginning phase.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  14. ISO #114

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    I'm not gonna pressure vote cause fuck that, but I can contribute to the encouragement of participation
    @Dark Magician
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  15. ISO #115

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I'm not gonna pressure vote cause fuck that, but I can contribute to the encouragement of participation
    @Dark Magician
    We're either still in the random phase, or we're not.

    If you really feel we're not, I look forward to your arguments on someone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  16. ISO #116

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I am not saying you could not be Mafia at all. And to be fair the first post where you said 'To catch Mafia' was in context to a response on your comment that Frinckles could be Mafia making it totally NAI. I just poked at it for the reaction test.

    My point that your second comment that theres only 2 scum in the game is very specifically a potential TMI slip as a neutral because thats exactly how they would view the game. I found it particularly amusing in that it was in context to talking about a potential Frinckles TMI as well as touching on the finer points of identifying tells.

    Why did you feel my suggestion voiced that I thought you could be only and specifically Neutral?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    and to answer your question I did not. I was reaction testing you.
    This interaction (including the posts I'm not quoting but that are about Mike's post with a potential neutral slip) is:
    - not SvS (pretty elaborated and out of nowhere at the beginning of the game, I doubt it's scum theatre)
    - looking good for Mike, considering both objective value (reaction testing here is plausible and good) and meta (Mike does that a lot as town)

    And Helz is saying good and logical things, but I strongly doubt he only does that as Town, so I'm not gonna read into that.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  17. ISO #117

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I'd rather go for the person who literally hasn't posted, but I can settle for the person who had the chance to post and posted little.

    -vote Frinckles
    Not having posted 7 hours into a game (I think that's what we're at right now?) isn't a sin; I just happened to see the game was a thing quickly enough to post, but I could very well have been the one having posted nothing. On the other hand, Frinckles appeared and as you said, had the chance to post; we were scum together in Undercover and he wasn't particularly talkative and even less useful to town, so I really prefer that option ^^.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  18. ISO #118

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    We're either still in the random phase, or we're not.

    If you really feel we're not, I look forward to your arguments on someone.
    bruh, just because the conversation has moved along doesn't mean I have the answers or some sort of hypothesis as to what is going on.
    If you really encourage participation from my and my slot, remember I DONT DO READS DAY ONE.
    i honestly can and never will day one go getters, because I'm too stupid to do it myself *shrugs*

    but anyways, Mike came in kinda piggybacking on y'alls conversation already going on. I don't think it really contributed to any part of the small exchange and was just fluffy.

    the marshall is just annoying in many different ways, but in game wise, he's generally just a poker regardless of faction so I don't take it as anything indicative.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  19. ISO #119

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    never understand***
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  20. ISO #120

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    bruh, just because the conversation has moved along doesn't mean I have the answers or some sort of hypothesis as to what is going on.
    If you really encourage participation from my and my slot, remember I DONT DO READS DAY ONE.
    i honestly can and never will day one go getters, because I'm too stupid to do it myself *shrugs*

    but anyways, Mike came in kinda piggybacking on y'alls conversation already going on. I don't think it really contributed to any part of the small exchange and was just fluffy.

    the marshall is just annoying in many different ways, but in game wise, he's generally just a poker regardless of faction so I don't take it as anything indicative.
    Not sure disregarding the Mike-Helz interaction is fair if you're giving a read on Mike: it's pretty much the most solid thing that has happened this game lol.

    And before you say you "don't do reads D1", remember that you just gave a read .
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  21. ISO #121

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Not sure disregarding the Mike-Helz interaction is fair if you're giving a read on Mike: it's pretty much the most solid thing that has happened this game lol.

    And before you say you "don't do reads D1", remember that you just gave a read .
    i prefer the term observation as I don't really find it indicative, just suspicious.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  22. ISO #122

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    i prefer the term observation as I don't really find it indicative, just suspicious.
    Not to be an annoyance, but usually, when something is suspicious, it's indicative...
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

  23. ISO #123

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Not to be an annoyance, but usually, when something is suspicious, it's indicative...
    yes, further down the line it could be used as a supporting argument for me to justify why I believe Mike has things that indicate him to be scum, but for now it's just an observation, as honestly, and quite truthfully, there is nothing that has happened here that really means anything to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  24. ISO #124

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Without wanting to engage in a tunnel, I have a question... do you consider mechanical talk as "non-playable" or something close to that? If not, can you explain the blue part?
    Yes, I consider alternative RVS and RVS game stages less than the game. I personally favor alternative RVS because it allows for everyone to become familiar with the setup and consider what scum hunting tells and techniques to favor as well as how to handle different situations in advance. In comparison random voting also builds to player analysis after people start pushing reasoning and removing the random part but it does not accomplish anything else (unless your playing a more 'normal' version of the game where peeks are sheltered.

    Breaking RVS should always be the goal of any town and it should be even more of a focus this game considering we are forced to do a D1 lynch (in my opinion.)
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  25. ISO #125

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I DONT DO READS DAY ONE.
    With a mandatory D1 lynch you may want to rethink that policy.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  26. ISO #126

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    With a mandatory D1 lynch you may want to rethink that policy.
    I didn't say I don't vote, I just don't provide reads. That typical list that people do, yeah... i don't do that
    and quite honestly, I rarely do it anytime throughout the game 😂 but you'll hear it from me when I got someone worthy of my vote. there's just nothing here that I believe is valuable enough to form a read on anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  27. ISO #127

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Yes, I consider alternative RVS and RVS game stages less than the game. I personally favor alternative RVS because it allows for everyone to become familiar with the setup and consider what scum hunting tells and techniques to favor as well as how to handle different situations in advance. In comparison random voting also builds to player analysis after people start pushing reasoning and removing the random part but it does not accomplish anything else (unless your playing a more 'normal' version of the game where peeks are sheltered.

    Breaking RVS should always be the goal of any town and it should be even more of a focus this game considering we are forced to do a D1 lynch (in my opinion.)
    It's this sort of behavior I'm torn on. You're trying to guard against the random voting phase consuming all of D1, but you aren't pressuring others to act in the same spirit. Why not, say, vote Mesk to encourage her to share more about how she plans to scumhunt?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  28. ISO #128

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    ~~~~~ oooooooou pressuree..... scary ~~~~~~
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  29. ISO #129

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Not having posted 7 hours into a game (I think that's what we're at right now?) isn't a sin; I just happened to see the game was a thing quickly enough to post, but I could very well have been the one having posted nothing. On the other hand, Frinckles appeared and as you said, had the chance to post; we were scum together in Undercover and he wasn't particularly talkative and even less useful to town, so I really prefer that option ^^.
    You have a point, which is why I'm combining our participation pressure instead of splitting it. I'm personally just a bit pessimistic about Frinckles responding to pressure, given what happened last game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  30. ISO #130

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    I didn't say I don't vote, I just don't provide reads. That typical list that people do, yeah... i don't do that
    and quite honestly, I rarely do it anytime throughout the game 😂 but you'll hear it from me when I got someone worthy of my vote. there's just nothing here that I believe is valuable enough to form a read on anyone.
    I agree. D1 reads lists are pretty silly. I personally only favor them because it pushes the overall game tempo forward. It irks the hell out of me when D2 starts as mindlessly and light as D1 started. I figure its less about your individual reads so much as it is about allowing other players to read you and getting out of the early game fluff.

    Its also nice later in the game to look back on because it forces scum to take stances.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  31. ISO #131

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    ~~~~~ oooooooou pressuree..... scary ~~~~~~
    What's the point of saying this? I get that *you* don't like sharing an opinion until you're more confident in it, but if you're town why do you want to weaken the pressure on *others*?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  32. ISO #132

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    It's this sort of behavior I'm torn on. You're trying to guard against the random voting phase consuming all of D1, but you aren't pressuring others to act in the same spirit. Why not, say, vote Mesk to encourage her to share more about how she plans to scumhunt?
    I don't really believe in vote pressure early D1. I doubt anyone gets voted a few hours into the game and sees it as a real threat. I probably more use my vote to call attention than anything else. The real pressure comes from saying "I am willing to lynch this person"

    Do you feel me voting Mesk will change her behavior more than me explaining my thoughts on how sharing reads D1 is a pro town action? I think that girl does what the fuck she wants and if you force her hand to play the way you want her to she will just dig her heels in. I say that having probably only played with her once years ago because I know her well.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  33. ISO #133

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    What's the point of saying this? I get that *you* don't like sharing an opinion until you're more confident in it, but if you're town why do you want to weaken the pressure on *others*?
    i was poking at the fact that you suggested helz potentially voting me to apply pressure on me. Pressure away, makes my job easier when others do it for me. But pressure on me does not scare me, cause 1- I know I'm a citizen, 2- I believe any case made on will have flaws and hopefully the good people here with brains will pick it apart. Including myself assuming i don't get the noose for some half assed bullshit
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    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  34. ISO #134

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I don't really believe in vote pressure early D1. I doubt anyone gets voted a few hours into the game and sees it as a real threat. I probably more use my vote to call attention than anything else. The real pressure comes from saying "I am willing to lynch this person"

    Do you feel me voting Mesk will change her behavior more than me explaining my thoughts on how sharing reads D1 is a pro town action? I think that girl does what the fuck she wants and if you force her hand to play the way you want her to she will just dig her heels in. I say that having probably only played with her once years ago because I know her well.
    In light of my recently quoted post, you're probably right.

    Is this just what townHelz is like? Just being reasonable and thoughtful in the way that maximizes how much pro-town discussion you can get out of everyone else?

    It just feels like you're an entirely different Helz, and I will be very sad if you die the first time we're on the same team in a long time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  35. ISO #135

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Okay, I've just about solved the game.

    Me+Helz+Mike+Mesk+MM are all town. There are at least two scum in Dark Magician+FrostByte+Oberon+Frinckles. Unless there's a Senator out there, we just yeet the 4 of them and win.
    @MartinGG99 , is this what you felt like last game when you ended up townreading everyone you interacted with D1?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  36. ISO #136

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    And before you ask how I found 4 town so quickly:

    MM and Helz are town for their push for pro-town behavior and that I generally understand where they're coming from
    Mike is town because he's REALLY trying to get shit done and actively making valid cases. Being the first person to say his vote isn't random is bold. (although it could be bold scum, I'll admit)
    Mesk is town because this really seems like her town meta and my gut instinct is that she's not trying to be deceptive right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  37. ISO #137

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    In light of my recently quoted post, you're probably right.

    Is this just what townHelz is like? Just being reasonable and thoughtful in the way that maximizes how much pro-town discussion you can get out of everyone else?

    It just feels like you're an entirely different Helz, and I will be very sad if you die the first time we're on the same team in a long time.
    This is my obvious town play. I can't say I dont do this as scum as well but last game was different because regardless of if you were Town or Scum players should have wanted to stay away from that pegg. I would have made an effort to make myself feel a little scummy that game even if I was town.

    But yeah, I intend on being such a bloody nuisance that scum decide to kill me : )
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  38. ISO #138

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    If I were a jailer, I'd jail one of FrostByte, Oberon, Frinckles, or Dark Magician tonight. Probably Oberon because of the somewhat-AI tunnel Mike got into and how much I've seen Oberon be online today without posting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  39. ISO #139

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Mike is town because he's REALLY trying to get shit done and actively making valid cases. Being the first person to say his vote isn't random is bold. (although it could be bold scum, I'll admit)
    As per my observation, I will say I didn't take anything he said that way. Again, I just took it as fluff and not genuine. Making valid cases out of blanket statements is easy.

    but besides that TOWNCORE TOWNCORE
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  40. ISO #140

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    Mike is town because he's REALLY trying to get shit done and actively making valid cases. Being the first person to say his vote isn't random is bold. (although it could be bold scum, I'll admit)
    Question for ya
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    by vote logic eather me and you are MAfia teammates. and we are both hard open wolfing or
    Oberon at L3 and no one jumping on that is sus also he is voting SB16.
    How do you feel about him using some form of wagonomics less than 100 posts into D1? Is this his normal sort of play?
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  41. ISO #141

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    This is my obvious town play. I can't say I dont do this as scum as well but last game was different because regardless of if you were Town or Scum players should have wanted to stay away from that pegg. I would have made an effort to make myself feel a little scummy that game even if I was town.

    But yeah, I intend on being such a bloody nuisance that scum decide to kill me : )
    I wish you'd use a little more WIFOM than that... *I* want to be the obvtown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Question for ya

    How do you feel about him using some form of wagonomics less than 100 posts into D1? Is this his normal sort of play?
    I really don't remember if it's normal for him. But we had a LOT of votes in the first 100 posts, and thinking about wagons is generally a solid way to mechanically analyze the game. I agree it was early, but it would have been early for *any* technique he used at that point. I strongly relate to falling back on mechanical techniques in the face of uncertainty, as you may recall. <_<
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  42. ISO #142

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I strongly relate to falling back on mechanical techniques in the face of uncertainty, as you may recall. <_<
    Totally unrelated to this game that was a beautiful play although it didnt work out. I had never really considered approaching the game like that. Gave me all sorts of new ideas to tinker with. I even thought of developing a sort of tool where you could designate confidence levels and enter flips and such to try to quantify your own reads.

    And I do get his reasoning. I just disagree with it. A few hours into D1 shoving someone into hammer range is a really balls out play for a wolf to make. To suggest the lack of someone doing so on him speaks to him being scum is a pretty hard reach for me.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  43. ISO #143

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Totally unrelated to this game that was a beautiful play although it didnt work out. I had never really considered approaching the game like that. Gave me all sorts of new ideas to tinker with. I even thought of developing a sort of tool where you could designate confidence levels and enter flips and such to try to quantify your own reads.

    And I do get his reasoning. I just disagree with it. A few hours into D1 shoving someone into hammer range is a really balls out play for a wolf to make. To suggest the lack of someone doing so on him speaks to him being scum is a pretty hard reach for me.
    He's not scumreading Oberon for not getting a bigger train; he's scumreading Oberon because he was too afraid to participate in RVS.

    Do you get what I'm trying to tell you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  44. ISO #144

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Something that just occurred to me, We may want to consider keeping our last wills updated throughout the day if your working up complex reads. The Mafia Assassin has the power to day kill at the 24 hour mark or days end. We could counter them preventing a read from dropping by dumping the notes into a LW update just before those times.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  45. ISO #145

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    He's not scumreading Oberon for not getting a bigger train; he's scumreading Oberon because he was too afraid to participate in RVS.

    Do you get what I'm trying to tell you?
    I think he was scum reading him for both reasons.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  46. ISO #146

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    He's not scumreading Oberon for not getting a bigger train; he's scumreading Oberon because he was too afraid to participate in RVS.

    Do you get what I'm trying to tell you?
    see but that's another issue... who the fuck cares about what happens in RVS. on this site, it pretty much is what it is, RVS. there's no rule that stipulates you must participate in RVS as a member of the town. anyways, there's a lot that can be knit picked when it comes to this, but I just believe that whatever that was, was just an attempt to appear to be to be proactive. the basis of it is really nothing imo
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  47. ISO #147

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    For participation Frinckles, FrostByte and Dark Magician are the ones hurting the most by my memory.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  48. ISO #148

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I think he was scum reading him for both reasons.
    I definitely read it as "I'm voting Oberon for dodging RVS. Maybe his train isn't building because his partner isn't voting him? No, that seems unlikely..."
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    What. You got me. Stop unvoting and stretch my neck, dammit.

  49. ISO #149

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    I would agree with Mesk that lack of participation in RVS is not AI. You could Wifom that scum would even have stronger motivation to participate and meta it out a bit.

    Honestly if someone wants to point to Oberon's meta to make an argument for that being AI it would catch my interest. I was a bit more interested in Mikes reasoning than the FoS itself.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

  50. ISO #150

    Re: S-FM 317: Eternia [LADDER]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    I definitely read it as "I'm voting Oberon for dodging RVS. Maybe his train isn't building because his partner isn't voting him? No, that seems unlikely..."
    He said "Oberon at L3 and no one jumping on that is sus also he is voting SB16."
    I read that as
    "Oberon at L3 and no one jumping on that is sus"
    and
    "also he is voting SB16"
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

 

 

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