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On your specific points:
1. I agree our neutral is HGS/VH
2. I suspect an HGS is assigned to town simply because Auwt clarified these would be assigned at random, but I wouldn't put that much weight into it.
3. There are so many other possible mafia actions. In particular, a scum could be holding back a kill so they don't out themselves by PoE.
4. I agree TP2 shouldn't out right now, but they should definitely participate in Oberon's article if he picks them
5. I don't at all see why Mafia would have to have a radical journalist. The most likely explanation of the lack of a second article is that they don't have one.
I'm off for a while. @ me if there's anything really important to respond to when I get back.
I guess my point is that you didn't focus on him as hard as I'd have expected from a genuine townie at all.
And I've only said your point about Oberon and DM was fair due to the PR claiming part, not about "shopping", although it definetly takes down a significant part of it. There's still that "the goal is to get the best yeet" and the lack of pushing on a scumread, along with "I could be convinced to get on Frinckles" (paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact wording). You did get less scummy though, but I still don't see why you'd be town.
Indeed, nearly anyone else could be scum! But "anyone else" happens not to have the scumtells you have. Thinking of Helz right now, who basically has no scumtells that I know of going against him and who has contributed a lot D1. I'm not saying your pro-town contributions are scum-indicative, just that they don't mean much when it comes to your alignment. And it's not like my PoE lacks townies, so your scum equity from lacking townpoints and having some strange points is relatively high.
@MattZed @Marshmallow Marshall I know only 3 people are town outside me and Oberon. I know you found me but I am having a hard time with finding both of you. Mattzed tell my your read on MM. and MM tell me your read on mattzed. and please explain your reads.
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The Oberon code is nice I like it but we should not rely on it as Town can lose before it becomes useful. @Oberon I agree you should use it and customize it do not use Mattzeds code change it up Change it entirely but put the answers in your LW and the code. we do not need mafia being able to figure it out.
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Also if Oberon is Mafia and a Real TPR1 did not claim I will say this if we lose IT WILL BE 100% YOUR fault. SO with that said I am going to take Oberon as Lock Confirmed Town.
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@Auwt can
Soul Ripper
You may swap two players at night, switching their positions.
They are not notified of being swapped.
self target?
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Was anyone Jailed last night??????????
Was anyone Roleblocked nast night??????
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Mike
I see you lurking.
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Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I disagree.
If the Journalist were to locate the other TPR he would know another town and could feed that players reads to the town while protecting them from being revealed. Imagine how powerful that would be if TPR2 is a sheriff.
A lot of 'ifs' there but I personally think its unlikely Town would not have some form of investigative the same as I doubt that Mafia does not have some form of killing utility.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
So with no Senator demands and no Insane harpy claiming the free victory the 3rd party is either a Guardian Spirit or a Vengeful Harpy (Executioner)
Be very mindful of a potential vengeful going in hard with a PR claim to snatch victory today. It is a very real potential and if we do have a sheriff as TPR2 you may want to avoid pulling a hard CC unless its necessary. That would probably be the Vengeful's claim.
With no kill last night and no Senator claims scum PR2 is very likely Assassin or Kidnapper. Keep this in mind and keep your last wills updated around mid day and end of day.
I think the game is:
Journalist
Sheriff/BG
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Consort / Agent / Illusionist
Kidnapper / Assassin
Holy Guardian Spirit / Vengeful Harpy
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
It also occurs to me that with this game state its in the towns favor to no-lynch until we are confident. With no KPN we kinda have all the time in the world to pick our lynch carefully. With 1 of us dead we are 4v3 with a non-town coordinated block of 2 and a chance the neutral will be town sided if guardian on town.
This is a favorable situation we can exploit. I would almost say its a hole in the setup that hard favors town.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
helz I agree, This is why I am asking everyone to out If they where role blocked or Jailed.
where you role block or jailed? Last night.
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Also why cant there be a Doc save. Your logic has holes in it. From my PoV. @Helz you where my top town read. This is why theses posts are Thowing me for a loop.
Please elaborate am i misunderstanding? Am i Misreading it PLEASE explain to help me understand where your thought process is.
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Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Sure. But I would like to hear from you why you think it would be AI in any way for me to exclude a doc. I find it odd that your pushing this question as an FoS and I want to understand what your thought process is.
I think that there would either a way for town to identify scum or to kill scum to balance the game. A doc makes no sense unless there is a killing and even if there was a killing a doc specifically and only functions in the event there is a Hitman. With no night kill last night thats unlikely although I will say that if there is a doc as our TPR2 that player should know with certainty that a Hitman exists.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
So it is Town sided with out a Mafia killing role and no senator??
No it is not, It sounds to me this is a setup if we rely on only PR we lose mafia wins.
I reread the setup over and over last night. Looking at the Quality of players in here. If mafia has a soul swaper DO you know how powerful that is.
A sheriff can be the 3rd mafia.
Only way town would have a chance is if the TPR1 was lookout. and sheriff and lookout target same player.
Sheriff checks a Mafia. Mafia swap the mafia with a town. Mafia gets a Green check. Town loses.
Sheriff checks a Town. Mafia swap the Town with a Mafia. Town gets a Red Check Mislynch Town loses.
As town we have to consider all Worlds. OR we lose. Mafia will want to hide there is a chance of Soul swaper becuse then we Would go old school and rely on Reads.
Not follow the sheriff with posible fake messages.
Now the sheriff is still good becuse it is a Role that cant be CCed. if Mafia does It will out one of the 2 mafia. The Neutral will not CC the Real town there. No sentor.
We need to stop and play Mafia Old school Use read look at people trying to make false worlds see people pushing one world over another.
What I am saying is Consider all worlds. Yes MAfia may have a Killing role but Mafia may not also.
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I am not saying it is AI for you to do that. I am asking you why you did. I am litterly wanting to know if I misread you. I never even insinuated you where scum for it.
I will admit I am not as confident you are town as I once was. But I am not ready to go down that rabbet hole right now.
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I agree. I just find it unlikely. Your talking about a lot of 'ifs' and I am talking about whats probable given what we know.
Sure 'if' there was a soul swapper 'and' he found the sheriff 'then' he can either invalidate the sheriff each night or risk that sheriff checking one of them while he forces a mafia peek.
My push that we could no-lynch was in the direction of scum hunting.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Anyways. Doc potential is Tinfoil until we get a night kill.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
Frenkles what do you have to say?
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I'm quite serious about my vote on MM. Some post excerpts that really bug me:
Nowhere does MM say why FrostByte's push feels honest, just that it does. This is a slip. How does MM know FrostByte's push is honest? Because MM knows FrostByte is town.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
I'm fine with this too.
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If Frenckles hard claims EXE
If there is a Neutral out there claim now if you want it be believed. Do not let a Mafia claim your spot.
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yes cc me please
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I'd also like to say I'm *really* not a fan of the Frinckles train. Who would Frinckles' partner even be? Mike and MM would be doing some HARD bussing if it's them, FrostByte spent a lot of time tearing into Frinckles before he claimed. (I was also on Frinckles' train when he cit claimed) That leaves... Mesk and Helz, my top two two reads. Yuck.
@MattZed , while MM's arguments are flawed in several ways, it's very much like him to have very flawed arguments regardless of alignment, so I don't really know how to approach that. Although I will say, he's not fence sitting like he usually does as town. I would think he's the neutral more than mafia as I can't really pinpoint any particular connection he has with anyone, but who knows.....
I'm going to reread it again as I was skimming over the last 8 hours
Honestly, I haven't paid much attention to Mike lately. He makes so many posts and they've made so little sense to me lately. I could see a town perspective in the first half of a D1, but definitely not a mind meld. Right now it feels like he deliberately misunderstands people's posts to try to get them to slip. I suppose it's a fine strategy, but I stopped relating to his posts a while ago.
I will. But the question is where should it be added? And what is the rush if the town is in a position to take an unlimited amount of time to solve the game?
@Oberon Please consider what I said earlier. You hold a rare position of leadership right now and I need you to recognize that a misslynch could mean the game while unless the mafia has 2 kills town has unlimited time to solve.
I would also encourage all other players to step back and make more structured and reasoned pushes. There is a lot of "This guy claims to believe X but has provided little reasoning" shit flying around. If I am right we have all the time in the world and can crawl through each point so long as we dont jump to some bullshit lynch that could end the game.
Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.
I was considering a world of you and Freckles but I ruled that out when you voted DM over me. You could have pushed me as scum and been the vote to kill me over DM and leaving DM for easy mislynch today. So I can not see you as Mafia but I can consider you hard defense as maybe frinkles is not exe and you are his guarded angel.
But if frenkles is you target does that make him town?? If this is true why he lie about me that is my dellima
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