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  1. #51

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Once again, I wasn't part of the discussion where there was some ruling made about avatar so idk what you want from me with that tag.

    If the ask is to turn off colored ranks if you're in any FM game, then someone like MM might as well just be put into some shadow staff because they're in every game.
    almost sounds like /volunteering/ to do /staff/ work supersedes someone's /desire/ to partake in a /game/

  2. #52

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Once again, I wasn't part of the discussion where there was some ruling made about avatar so idk what you want from me with that tag.

    If the ask is to turn off colored ranks if you're in any FM game, then someone like MM might as well just be put into some shadow staff because they're in every game.
    The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
    The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

    Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?
    FMX: fm Kevinpowers - Citizen (WIN)
    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Heavy Handed View Post
    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  3. #53

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    wonder how many ppl who work as fucking janitors cleaning shitters @ the superbowl get pissed off cause they gotta do their job instead of spectate the game

    if its such a big deal, and u wanna play so bad, /resign/ and /advise/. dont ruin the overall quality of games to cater to the fact you want a red name but still be treated like a standard user.


    cant have your cake and eat it too

  4. #54

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    besides, mm was decent enough to add a 2nd chair to his desk so he and deathworlds could rub elbows in the same office doing the same job. surely deathworlds is competent enough to independently run the show if mm wants to "go on a vacation" and hop on an alt and play an sfm, no?

    and if staff don't circlejerk and swallow eachother's loads daily, then surely if mm is actually wronged in a game, deathworlds would independently see that and act without even knowing mm was on a smurf, right?

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  7. #57

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
    The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

    Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?
    ^^^^ this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Heavy Handed View Post
    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  8. #58

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    What about petitioning the next host of the next game played to not allow players with colored names?
    Why are you sidestepping my questions?
    FMX: fm Kevinpowers - Citizen (WIN)
    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Heavy Handed View Post
    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

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  10. #60

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    it's incredibly frustrating to get non answers every single time I address staff with very specific questions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I will go ahead and fuck this cat
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Heavy Handed View Post
    yeah I'm not gonna sit around here analyzing the fucking particle fluctuations in the quantum foam or whatever the fuck trying to find shit on D1

  11. #61

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    What about petitioning the next host of the next game played to not allow players with colored names?
    although, it probably WOULD be in the next host's best interest to not let staff play considering if you make a night action mistake involving a member of staff, the precedent is a life banishment from ever hosting again.

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  13. #63

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    The discussion wasn't as relevant as the fact that someone got lynched over it, so it must hold some weight. If you disagree with that premise then address that, don't sidestep it.
    The solution is irrelevant to that point. The point is that it absolutely affects games. We can get to the solution after we've established that the games are being affected.

    Do you think red names affect how people perceive the player with the red name?
    I could say that I think red names with "Admin" under them MIGHT affect new people in their first couple of games. But I also don't expect new people to be doing anything that might attract a moderation standpoint.

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    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  14. #64

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    also @Voss considering how shady you're being about this topic, im totally not apologetic anymore for griefing ur minecraft house 7 yrs ago
    I've never played minecraft lololol

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    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  15. #65

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I could say that I think red names with "Admin" under them MIGHT affect new people in their first couple of games. But I also don't expect new people to be doing anything that might attract a moderation standpoint.
    ignoring people have said avatars change their perceptions/reads on players because u werent part of the convo is like saying trump can still win

    asinine head-in-sand stance

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  17. #67

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    deathworlds is a marshmallow marshall vpn lmfao

    this is so sad
    Ah yes, the first four years of me being here was just a trial run for when MM eventually joined in his full glory.

    ffs
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
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    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  18. #68

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    although, it probably WOULD be in the next host's best interest to not let staff play considering if you make a night action mistake involving a member of staff, the precedent is a life banishment from ever hosting again.
    I assume you're talking about Mesk here but I don't see how it directly applies to staff's colors in game, so this is irrelevant. It really seems like you have a problem with MM specifically and FrostByte's problem is actually about staff colors in games.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  19. #69

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I assume you're talking about Mesk here but I don't see how it directly applies to staff's colors in game, so this is irrelevant. It really seems like you have a problem with MM specifically and FrostByte's problem is actually about staff colors in games.
    lmfao sorry but that's wrong. personally i have no problem with mm. we've had our times but dude doesnt live in my head rent free.

    frostbyte and i are on the same page. its not about staff colors. it's about administrators actively moderating in game they're active in

    idk how many times i have to reiterate this

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  22. #72

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    frostbyte and i are on the same page. its not about staff colors. it's about administrators actively moderating in game they're active in
    I don't think you're on the same page, but whatever.

    If the problem is admins actively moderating games, I think fm staff is going to put out some formal announcement if they haven't already that that behavior is to be discontinued. And the hiring of deathworlds AND putting up the "help wanted" post is supposed to alleviate this. This was already mentioned.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  23. #73

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I don't think you're on the same page, but whatever.

    If the problem is admins actively moderating games, I think fm staff is going to put out some formal announcement if they haven't already that that behavior is to be discontinued. And the hiring of deathworlds AND putting up the "help wanted" post is supposed to alleviate this. This was already mentioned.
    we're not on the same page. we're just quoting eachothers posts and supplying supporting evidence for each other. right.

    im glad you can determine for us that we're not actively on the same page as we both collaborate off-site about what we're trying to get fixed. you're fosing me instead of actually addressing the issue, and continuing to sidestep frostbyte's reiterations of my questions by not replying to him anymore, but replying to me instead.

    if this were an sfm i'd be
    -vote voss
    'ing your scummy ass so hard right now

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  28. #78

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    also @Voss considering how shady you're being about this topic, im totally not apologetic anymore for griefing ur minecraft house 7 yrs ago
    you little shit that was my house!
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  29. #79

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    I'm gonna make it real big because people keep missing this, which is the entire point of the fucking thread:
    if avatars can have a subconscious effect on how players will treat, perceive, or read a player, then how could you possibly argue having a colored name, like red, doesnt have a similar result? @Voss @Marshmallow Marshall @Auwt @Oberon @yzb25 @aamirus @Kenny @rumox

    That whole situation would've played out differently. It still hasn't been addressed. That whole thread was colored names blindly sticking up for each other with very little logic being applied to the situation.
    They have an effect, I just don't think it gives the mods an unfair advantage per se. I believe I made my position clear before. Other forms of reputation have a much greater effect on the game like "being widely regarded as a pro", and sometimes being red can backfire if ppl use it to smear you. It's not like being a cop at all, I think that analogy was totally misplaced. If I had to compare, a mod signing for an FM game is a lot more like being a politician who's decided to take public transport with the plebs lmao. But even that analogy massively overstates the class divide.

    I like anon games for the reasons ppl have stated, but I also like games that aren't anon because ppl's relationships and reptutations add another layer to the analysis. It can get taken too far though, certainly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  30. #80

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    They have an effect, I just don't think it gives the mods an unfair advantage per se. I believe I made my position clear before. Other forms of reputation have a much greater effect on the game like "being widely regarded as a pro", and sometimes being red can backfire if ppl use it to smear you. It's not like being a cop at all, I think that analogy was totally misplaced. If I had to compare, a mod signing for an FM game is a lot more like being a politician who's decided to take public transport with the plebs lmao. But even that analogy massively overstates the class divide.

    I like anon games for the reasons ppl have stated, but I also like games that aren't anon because ppl's relationships and reptutations add another layer to the analysis. It can get taken too far though, certainly.
    But as was pointed out, cops are different in different countries. Even in the UK I see a copper and I think "fuck fuck" even if I ain't done anything wrong LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  31. #81

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    If I had to give an example of red backfiring, I remember many years ago Arrow being a red lead PTB to believe Arrow's bad play "had to be something deeper because they're red and all the reds have their shit together" even tho Arrow as a total noob at FM and was an admin concerned with sc2mafia. It didn't sway other ppl, but it got a vote on the train that lynched him. In PTB's defense, Arrow did flip scum
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  32. #82

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    They have an effect, I just don't think it gives the mods an unfair advantage per se. I believe I made my position clear before. Other forms of reputation have a much greater effect on the game like "being widely regarded as a pro", and sometimes being red can backfire if ppl use it to smear you. It's not like being a cop at all, I think that analogy was totally misplaced. If I had to compare, a mod signing for an FM game is a lot more like being a politician who's decided to take public transport with the plebs lmao. But even that analogy massively overstates the class divide.

    I like anon games for the reasons ppl have stated, but I also like games that aren't anon because ppl's relationships and reptutations add another layer to the analysis. It can get taken too far though, certainly.
    I 100% agree with this. I have never been affected by peoples red/blue/green colour. The only argument as I see it is that they could insinuate you would be breaking rules/getting infracted by playing in a certain way, and while Iíve seen them trying to Ďbring orderí to games, I donít think Iíve ever seen that abused.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Yeah I donít read or care to that much. I just vote correctly and thatís that.

  33. #83

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    But as was pointed out, cops are different in different countries. Even in the UK I see a copper and I think "fuck fuck" even if I ain't done anything wrong LOL.
    same
    but I guess Iím Eastern European and I have the Thiefís blood in my veins
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Yeah I donít read or care to that much. I just vote correctly and thatís that.

  34. #84

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    you little shit that was my house!
    I remember back in 2010 I was playing the beta with some guys from a pro league scene and mentioned in a thread about Minecraft we ran west and set up a base. By heading west I mean we ran for literally 30 minutes while also traversing oceans. Some other guys from the scene joined the server and were so committed to trolling us they also spent 30 minutes or more looking for our base then proceeded to place bedrock everywhere and nuked our builds with TNT.

    Good times. I became a pariah amongst the fellas for "leaking" our location. "aha went on to smash rumoxs shit and found job already done. tx"

  35. #85

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno View Post
    so if mm had been on an anonymous account

    and mesk didnt know mm was, say, alt named X

    mesk fucks up night action for X, resulting in X dying

    how in the fuck could it ever possibly be assumed mesk intentionally fucked over X because mesk happened to know X was mm? lmfao

    your analogies suck ass stop comparing yourself to police.
    I'm not comparing myself, I'm comparing the situation actually. The different analogies I addressed depicted quite well the situation.
    Okay I understand your in depth thought, yet your example also work for a non-staff player.
    Just replace the name "MM" by "Bruno" and "Mesk" by "Host". And you would see it could also happen.

    Therefore the only solve to your problem would be to only play full anonymous game, not only staff.
    I'm not following this.
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    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies
    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
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  36. #86

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    honestly I think this is a non-problem lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Yeah I donít read or care to that much. I just vote correctly and thatís that.

  37. #87

    Re: staff should be anonymous in sfm

    This post reflects the unanimous stance of FM staff after internal deliberations.

    About the part of "subconscious bias due to colored names", I'm going to give a clear, unambiguous answer: no. We are not going to stop having colored names in games, and this decision is final. Here's why.

    Does having a red or purple name affect how people subconsciously view us? Perhaps, to a very small extent. So does having literally every damn attribute. That includes having a signature (people will view you slightly differently if you put hostile posts in your signature or if you put a cute cat picture instead), having a post count (can be used to estimate your experience), having medals (which can inspire respect to newcomers and give a feeling that "this guy is good"; if I may add, it's not something users can willingly manipulate) and as was already mentioned, having an avatar. Does that mean we should forbid these things? The answer is no. It makes no big difference (personality does), and those things are useful and part of forum culture. Same goes for colored names, including staff ones (and I'd even say ESPECIALLY staff ones, since they make it obvious who's in charge of moderation and where). And even then, we give out colored names for FM Champions, aka ladder winners. People don't go and scream it "subconsciously biases them", come on. Literally EVERY MAFIA SITE has colored names for their staff, by the way, and nobody is "treating them differently because they have a colored name".

    Also, remember that if staff members actually abuse their power, they are to be reported; nothing changed here.
    Topic closed.
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