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  1. #2301

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    If Unkown gets proven as Triad DH

    then that removes both Matt and Helz from the PoE of triad suspects if I'm understanding correctly

    Yzb25 is obviously dead so no need to worry about the fake butler claim

    And that leaves 2 triads left in....

    Frostbyte + Naz

    (Based on reasoning similar to my past solving at #1951)

    Unless Renegade is Moulder but rn the fake PR looks like Naz to a large degree
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  3. #2303

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    If Unkown gets proven as Triad DH

    then that removes both Matt and Helz from the PoE of triad suspects if I'm understanding correctly

    Yzb25 is obviously dead so no need to worry about the fake butler claim

    And that leaves 2 triads left in....

    Frostbyte + Naz

    (Based on reasoning similar to my past solving at #1951)

    Unless Renegade is Moulder but rn the fake PR looks like Naz to a large degree
    man what a fucking flip by Yzb25 lol
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  5. #2305

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    we have a 50/50 in frost/matt right?
    Matt is proven town I think

    if Unkown is triad

    unless you feel like arguing that Naz + Renegade are town PR's and that Helz is the fake PR?


    actually I should double-check on PR counts
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  6. #2306

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    When did that happen? I must've missed something lmfao
    renegade claimed the only role capable of doing a house lock-down which was found out by me on n1

    with no CC's on that role he's confirmed to be that kind of role, a PR role
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  7. #2307

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    we have a 50/50 in frost/matt right?
    I believe Matt is confirmed via only cit claim even if you ignore my butler peek.
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  8. #2308

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    When did that happen? I must've missed something lmfao
    He is the only one to claim locksmith with multiple people reporting locksmith/moulder feedback. His role is confirmed but not his alignment.
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  9. #2309

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    actually I should double-check on PR counts
    Dragon Head - Unkown
    Corrupted Assessor - Frostbyte
    Triad Random - Naz (Spy)
    Triad Random - Dark Magician (Sourceror)
    Town Random - Helz (Butler)
    Town Random - Yzb25 (Shopkeeper)
    Town Random - Renegade (Locksmith)
    Town Random - Frinckles (Scientist)
    Town Random - Martin (BD)
    Bus Driver - Oberon
    Citizen - Mattzed
    Citizen - Bakermir
    Switcher - Deathworlds



    this is what I got
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  12. #2312

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Dragon Head - Unkown
    Corrupted Assessor - Frostbyte
    Triad Random - Naz (Spy)
    Triad Random - Dark Magician (Sourceror)
    Town Random - Helz (Butler)
    Town Random - Yzb25 (Shopkeeper)
    Town Random - Renegade (Locksmith)
    Town Random - Frinckles (Scientist)
    Town Random - Martin (BD)
    Bus Driver - Oberon
    Citizen - Mattzed
    Citizen - Bakermir
    Switcher - Deathworlds



    this is what I got
    What makes Frostbyte the CA?
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  13. #2313

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    This is what confused me. He could easily be Moulder.
    I am pretty damn confident that he is. And my reads this game have been on point so far.
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  14. #2314

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    I think eliminating Unkown would be best here tbh (presuming no holes of logic / plausibility to my mechanical reasoning of him being confirmed DH)

    I really doubt he was predicted to be an elimination today to be bounded by the CA

    and if he were, he probably was bounded by somebody that the CA thought was triad
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  16. #2316

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    @Auwt is the DH RB immune? The rolecard wording is strange. Says the DH acts out the faction kill.
    The Dragon Head can be roleblocked, consider the Dragon Head as an Enforcer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    MM Magoroth and Distorted are the 3 baddies

    just like Agrael Acriel and Auwt being the original 3 baddies
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  17. #2317

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I am pretty damn confident that he is. And my reads this game have been on point so far.
    @Helz
    @FrostByte

    if we eliminate DH and Renegade is a Moulder

    HE WILL BECOME DH (due to DH replacement rules)

    so that means he wouldn't be able to lock me.

    So we can have Renegade lock someone tonight (such as me)

    and I can check with my bus swap ability
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  18. #2318

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Because max 1 more citizen

    Both Frost and Matt claimed (directly or indirectly) citizen

    Unkown is basically proven DH if I'm not wrong
    Did you miss the part where Helz outed me over and over as TPR?

    And MattZed

    and yzb
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  19. #2319

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I think eliminating Unkown would be best here tbh (presuming no holes of logic / plausibility to my mechanical reasoning of him being confirmed DH)

    I really doubt he was predicted to be an elimination today to be bounded by the CA

    and if he were, he probably was bounded by somebody that the CA thought was triad
    Thats good reasoning. There is a real potential of his lynch flipping one of the CA's Triad reads or- (tinfoil) themselves.
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  21. #2321

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    @Helz
    @FrostByte

    if we eliminate DH and Renegade is a Moulder

    HE WILL BECOME DH (due to DH replacement rules)

    so that means he wouldn't be able to lock me.

    So we can have Renegade lock someone tonight (such as me)

    and I can check with my bus swap ability
    Wait, what? You just had me pegged as CA, though? I'm so confused
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  25. #2325

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    ELI5 please why is unknown DH
    Helz can't be he was RB according to Zeb LW.

    It has been confirmed that I've locked homes.

    Frinckles is nearly confirmed as scientist.

    Naz has correctly identified information before it was presented.

    Helz if he isn't DH and is butler then MZ is citizen.

    Marino is nearly confirmed due to driving.

  26. #2326

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    @Helz
    @FrostByte

    if we eliminate DH and Renegade is a Moulder

    HE WILL BECOME DH (due to DH replacement rules)

    so that means he wouldn't be able to lock me.

    So we can have Renegade lock someone tonight (such as me)

    and I can check with my bus swap ability
    Thats a solid point. I feel like that solves Renegade nicely and would also solve Naz.
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    It only makes you stronger if you choose to not be a victim

  27. #2327

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Because nobody fits your bill.

    Unless you wanna claim TPR and contest Naz for being a Triad Random?
    Naz caught the switcher

    she can never be CA because of that

    by process of elimination I came upon the solve that I posted a few minutes ago

    is what I get to because of Yzb25's flip showing who the DH is (Aka Unkown)
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  28. #2328

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    MattZed isn't PR lol

    You aren't PR either

    that's my solve that I'm pushing
    I wasn't clear. I meant to say that Helz and MZ and yzb all outed me as TPR a million times. I figured it was obvious.

    Yes, I'm TPR.

    And I got fucking roleblocked N1 and N2 but I don't blame yzb for that
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  29. #2329

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    I wasn't clear. I meant to say that Helz and MZ and yzb all outed me as TPR a million times. I figured it was obvious.

    Yes, I'm TPR.

    And I got fucking roleblocked N1 and N2 but I don't blame yzb for that
    The Matt is confirmed
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  30. #2330

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Naz caught the switcher

    she can never be CA because of that

    by process of elimination I came upon the solve that I posted a few minutes ago

    is what I get to because of Yzb25's flip showing who the DH is (Aka Unkown)
    And the only Non-PR Non-DH role there is to fit the

    1v1 citizen conflict

    is that the triad in there must be CA

    and with Helz's butler peek on MattZed (and that DW showed that he manipulated MattZed unto me on N1!!!!)

    its gotta be you bud

    sorry
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  32. #2332

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Naz caught the switcher

    she can never be CA because of that

    by process of elimination I came upon the solve that I posted a few minutes ago

    is what I get to because of Yzb25's flip showing who the DH is (Aka Unkown)
    Frinckles caught switcher, though? Or am I wrong?
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  33. #2333

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Unless a cit lied about being TPR earlier in the game yeah

    I'm legit surprised no scum claimed cit. I guess they didn't wanna risk getting outed by a stalker or whatever it is in this setup
    That was my thoughts as well. Cit was literally the best claim for Triad because it bridged all of the slots. Especially given the Mechanical framework I laid out D2 I really expected some Cit CC issues.
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  34. #2334

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Naz (triad PR) + Frostbyte (CA) + Unkown (DH) + Dark Magician (Triad PR)

    book it

    we can eliminate the DH

    and on that night I can check who Renegade locks in order to prove he's not a triad random (with one of the triad randoms dead, and that CA gets the DH role last, if Renegade was Moulder he 100% would be DH once we lynch/eliminate the DH)

    and we can re-confirm this solve
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  35. #2335

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Frinckles caught switcher, though? Or am I wrong?
    Well

    Naz + Frinckles

    Frinckles proved switcher activity or presence

    Naz proved who the switcher went to on N1

    unless you're gonna claim she somehow didn't pay attention to the game very much and SOMEHOW correctly guessed randomly that it was Deathworlds on D2?
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  36. #2336

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    I wasn't clear. I meant to say that Helz and MZ and yzb all outed me as TPR a million times. I figured it was obvious.

    Yes, I'm TPR.

    And I got fucking roleblocked N1 and N2 but I don't blame yzb for that
    Give role.

    And yes Matt is confirmed now. Helz is still not confirmed.
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  38. #2338

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Naz (triad PR) + Frostbyte (CA) + Unkown (DH) + Dark Magician (Triad PR)

    book it

    we can eliminate the DH

    and on that night I can check who Renegade locks in order to prove he's not a triad random (with one of the triad randoms dead, and that CA gets the DH role last, if Renegade was Moulder he 100% would be DH once we lynch/eliminate the DH)

    and we can re-confirm this solve
    Naz/Renegade I really think will land on Renegade scum but you are right. This pretty much locks the game up for a town win in most situations.

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  45. #2345

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Give role.

    And yes Matt is confirmed now. Helz is still not confirmed.
    But if Helz is a PR role

    then that means he must be the sole Triad Random (given that we currently have too many PR claims on D3)

    and that Naz is 100% innocent

    its a matter of great plausibility imo based on mechanical information

    I mean, technically speaking, NOTHING has been confirmed to me other than the feedback and role-card I've gotten. Mafia is always a game about trust, at least for the town, and I trust the mechanical information so far and believe it with a high level of plausibility.
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  46. #2346

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    But if Helz is a PR role

    then that means he must be the sole Triad Random (given that we currently have too many PR claims on D3)

    and that Naz is 100% innocent

    its a matter of great plausibility imo based on mechanical information

    I mean, technically speaking, NOTHING has been confirmed to me other than the feedback and role-card I've gotten. Mafia is always a game about trust, at least for the town, and I trust the mechanical information so far and believe it with a high level of plausibility.
    I would rather a !scum Naz world rather than a !scum Helz world tbh
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  47. #2347

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    dark magician visited deathworlds last night
    Yeah naz is pretty lock town from this. Unless it's a triad big balls play getting rid of switcher early but that would be an oberon level bad move and I don't see that coming from naz
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  48. #2348

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    @MartinGG99

    The only real risk I saw with your plan is that it ties up PR's leaving the DH open to kill. Short of a Town Naz tracking peek we could just about kiss Frinckles goodbye with almost certainty. But with Frost BG/Doc claim thats no longer possible forcing the kill onto Me, Matt or Renegade.

    I feel this is acceptable..
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  49. #2349

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostByte View Post
    Yeah naz is pretty lock town from this. Unless it's a triad big balls play getting rid of switcher early but that would be an oberon level bad move and I don't see that coming from naz
    Unless they considered that DM was gonna out deathworlds anyway... which, now that I think about it was pretty likely to happen at that point
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  50. #2350

    Re: S-FM 316 : The Fooling Party

    can confirm fb visited ONLY me last night so he is NOT CA/DH
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    President Fielzanks walks up to his stage, preparing his n1 speech. In front of him, his two cronies MM and David stood. In front of him, his immaculately written n1 speech was prepared. 'Gentleman, what is the soul of capitalism?', he asked his small audience. 'Money?', MM guessed. 'Waifus?', David asked. 'No' Fielz replied, disappointed in his trash scumteam .
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