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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1i5IIYfFhI
    There's a lot of relatively bad stuff in there (I'll just mention the complete lack of mention of any form of legitimacy given to actually peaceful and righteous protesters to balance the strongly emphasised repression of rioters as an example), but timestamp 11:17 is what frightened me when I listened to his speech, because it looked like a Mussolini speech. Appealing to the nation's greatness and to the people's pride in it to demolish its enemies who want to weaken the great nation and make it "atone for its sins"? Come on. The only strong difference with Mussolini speeches is that he doesn't call to war against other countries, although he does escalate against China pretty strongly over time in his speeches in general.

    I was looking for Mussolini speeches to compare them with Trump's, and found this among other things.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNX2V5wXDWg
    Heh. Looks like I wasn't the only one lol.

    I also found this article, and although it's not completely damning by itself, it's becoming hard to deny that he was inspired by fascist leaders, at the very least in the way he talks to the people...
    https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...ed-2015-8?op=1



    Pleaaaaase... get him out........
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
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    Trump has indicated he would first look at the results and if it looks like no foul play was involved he will accept it. However, if not... he implied he wouldn’t go down LOL. I don’t blame him one bit. You can’t shortcircuit democracy by stealing votes and expect nothing to happen. If war is the alternative, then maybe there should be a war. There’s been plenty of those in the past, but we all know where rigged elections lead to.
    FWIW, trump has said on numerous occasions that if he legitimately loses to Biden, he will just go play golf and we’ll never hear about him again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Trump has indicated he would first look at the results and if it looks like no foul play was involved he will accept it. However, if not... he implied he wouldn’t go down LOL. I don’t blame him one bit. You can’t shortcircuit democracy by stealing votes and expect nothing to happen. If war is the alternative, then maybe there should be a war. There’s been plenty of those in the past, but we all know where rigged elections lead to.
    FWIW, trump has said on numerous occasions that if he legitimately loses to Biden, he will just go play golf and we’ll never hear about him again.
    Yes, but it is terribly obvious that he will contest the election's result... he has been preparing the way for that for MONTHS with his "this election will be the biggest fraud in American history" and similar.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    BTW, fascism and naziism cannot be equated, because they are not the same. It’s just a buzzword. If you really wanna call trump something, call him ‘authoritarian’. Kinda doesn’t feel right saying that, does it?
    No no, I'm specifically calling him fascist.
    ..because it looked like a Mussolini speech. Appealing to the nation's greatness and to the people's pride in it to demolish its enemies who want to weaken the great nation and make it "atone for its sins"? Come on. The only strong difference with Mussolini speeches is that he doesn't call to war against other countries, although he does escalate against China pretty strongly over time in his speeches in general.
    I didn't call him a nazi, only a fascist. There's indeed a difference :P.

    ~~

    Helz, the reason why people in other countries feel like they have something to say about it (or at least my reason) is because the US are still the leader of the Western bloc. If that country is screwed because it descends into a civil war or into authoritarianism, then we can all say hello to other, non-democratic powers such as China and Russia (sorry Russia, you're not democratic lol).
    As for both sides saying their loss wasn't fair if they lose, that is true, but the difference between them is that while Biden will just be angry and call Trump out for it and then call it a day, Trump could very well try to cling to power: he's preparing the way for that possibility.

    And if your point is "why not be at peace in your own country and leave us be", which is basically "it's not really your business", well... sorry, but the first democratic power worldwide remaining a strong democratic power is the business of pretty much everyone when it comes to geopolitics.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Pleaaaaase... get him out........
    I have a friend thats a big Trump supporter and another who is a hardcore anti-trump ANTIFA member.
    I dont really see much of a difference between the two of them. I very strongly disagree with both sides. I hate the rhetoric of hatred they both cast over society and I wish news organizations were held accountable for the destruction they cause.

    This election I am not voting. Both party's disgust me on many levels and I hate how their 'lesser of two evils' rhetoric is tearing my country apart. But it even sucks more with each side setting up some story before the election about how if they loose the election was rigged. I was looking forward to this election ending so it would fucking end but right now it looks like whichever side looses there will be some stupid "They cheated lets drag this shit out forever" nonsense. I personally just want this nightmare to be over and could give a fuck less who wins at this point.

    It really sucks how every other nation in the world feels like they should have some voice on the subject as well. What is the cost for peace of mind?
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I have a friend thats a big Trump supporter and another who is a hardcore anti-trump ANTIFA member.
    I dont really see much of a difference between the two of them. I very strongly disagree with both sides. I hate the rhetoric of hatred they both cast over society and I wish news organizations were held accountable for the destruction they cause.

    This election I am not voting. Both party's disgust me on many levels and I hate how their 'lesser of two evils' rhetoric is tearing my country apart. But it even sucks more with each side setting up some story before the election about how if they loose the election was rigged. I was looking forward to this election ending so it would fucking end but right now it looks like whichever side looses there will be some stupid "They cheated lets drag this shit out forever" nonsense. I personally just want this nightmare to be over and could give a fuck less who wins at this point.

    It really sucks how every other nation in the world feels like they should have some voice on the subject as well. What is the cost for peace of mind?
    Except only one candidate has outright said they will not accept the election results. Hint: it wasn't Biden: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ction-results/

    Also this post reminds me of this meme lmao:

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    What are the odds that Trump will ever accept a loss at being fair lmao. If you seriously believe he will think that his loss was fair, you're either a gullible moron or straight up lying.
    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Except only one candidate has outright said they will not accept the election results. Hint: it wasn't Biden: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ction-results/

    Also this post reminds me of this meme lmao:
    I feel like this reaction illustrates one side of the issue very well. Its no better from the trump supporters but it holds every bit as much conviction regardless of if the person is even a voter or lives in america.
    Its an attitude of republican vs democrat toxic enough to envelope the rest of the world with a smile.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Except only one candidate has outright said they will not accept the election results. Hint: it wasn't Biden: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ction-results/

    Also this post reminds me of this meme lmao:
    I actually watched the debate live on C-span.

    I will tell you Binden was Flip flopping. All he wanted to do was Look in cameras with 0 Facts. and say a Bunch of crap. Was Trump a bully to Biden hell yes. But Who do you want running the country Some one who stands up for the Facts or some one who cant even get the facts out strait then when asked to stant any say over and over NO YOU NO YOU NO YOU.

    All biden did was say No you over and over. I wanted to see what he stood for. All he did was say Trump is evil Trump is bad. NO YOU. over and over. He never told us what he stood for.

    I was not a trump supporter or Biden. But I would never Vote Biden for President. And anyone that would well God help us. because we will be screwed hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I actually watched the debate live on C-span.

    I will tell you Binden was Flip flopping. All he wanted to do was Look in cameras with 0 Facts. and say a Bunch of crap. Was Trump a bully to Biden hell yes. But Who do you want running the country Some one who stands up for the Facts or some one who cant even get the facts out strait then when asked to stant any say over and over NO YOU NO YOU NO YOU.

    All biden did was say No you over and over. I wanted to see what he stood for. All he did was say Trump is evil Trump is bad. NO YOU. over and over. He never told us what he stood for.

    I was not a trump supporter or Biden. But I would never Vote Biden for President. And anyone that would well God help us. because we will be screwed hard.
    No, you didn't watch the debate live. Either you're trolling, you're straight up lying, or your IQ falls below the average American IQ. Going to assume the latter because of your last sentence, and you must be another person thats intimidated by Trump supporters just like Helz.

    I'll break down JUST the first topic of the debate for you, just to prove you wrong.

    Supreme Court/Healthcare
    Biden claims Trump wants to get rid of the ACA.
    Biden claims getting rid of the ACA will strip 20 million people off insurance.
    Biden claims Amy Barett is against Roe v Wade.
    Biden claims that 100 million Americans would be affected by removal of ACA.

    Biden claims that Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barett wants to rule the ACA as unconstitutional.
    Trump made a claim that Justice Ginsburg said "the president is elected for four years, not three years" (Out of context but I'll give him it)
    Trump made a claim that Biden will extinguish 180 million people from private healthcare
    Trump claims he travel-banned China.
    Trump claims Biden didn't support a ban on China. (Biden never disapproved of the RESTRICTION, he called Trump xenophobic for calling it the China Flu)

    Green = True
    Red = False


    I could make one of these for every topic they discussed, including taxes, global warming, and so on. But there's no point, you need to watch the debate for yourself, instead of acting like you did and not knowing what you're saying. Joe did make a few lies, but extremely less than Trump. Do the fact checking yourself. Seems like Sleepy Joe be less sleepy than most Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    No, you didn't watch the debate live. Either you're trolling, you're straight up lying, or your IQ falls below the average American IQ. Going to assume the latter because of your last sentence, and you must be another person thats intimidated by Trump supporters just like Helz.

    I'll break down JUST the first topic of the debate for you, just to prove you wrong.

    Supreme Court/Healthcare
    Biden claims Trump wants to get rid of the ACA.
    Biden claims getting rid of the ACA will strip 20 million people off insurance.
    Biden claims Amy Barett is against Roe v Wade.
    Biden claims that 100 million Americans would be affected by removal of ACA.

    Biden claims that Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barett wants to rule the ACA as unconstitutional.
    Trump made a claim that Justice Ginsburg said "the president is elected for four years, not three years" (Out of context but I'll give him it)
    Trump made a claim that Biden will extinguish 180 million people from private healthcare
    Trump claims he travel-banned China.
    Trump claims Biden didn't support a ban on China. (Biden never disapproved of the RESTRICTION, he called Trump xenophobic for calling it the China Flu)

    Green = True
    Red = False


    I could make one of these for every topic they discussed, including taxes, global warming, and so on. But there's no point, you need to watch the debate for yourself, instead of acting like you did and not knowing what you're saying. Joe did make a few lies, but extremely less than Trump. Do the fact checking yourself. Seems like Sleepy Joe be less sleepy than most Americans.
    Yes I did watch it live and no I am not lying or Trolling. I am not intermediated by any trump supporter. I will be voting Trump. I get your points you made. Biden was not giving us his views. Watching his mannerisms every time trump interrupted him It was almost like he was going over script in his head that he rehearsed. I am not going after anyone else views I am expressing what I viewed watching the Debate. Biden was flip flop on alot. Yes Trump kept telling him well you just lost the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I actually watched the debate live on C-span.

    I will tell you Binden was Flip flopping. All he wanted to do was Look in cameras with 0 Facts. and say a Bunch of crap. Was Trump a bully to Biden hell yes. But Who do you want running the country Some one who stands up for the Facts or some one who cant even get the facts out strait then when asked to stant any say over and over NO YOU NO YOU NO YOU.

    All biden did was say No you over and over. I wanted to see what he stood for. All he did was say Trump is evil Trump is bad. NO YOU. over and over. He never told us what he stood for.

    I was not a trump supporter or Biden. But I would never Vote Biden for President. And anyone that would well God help us. because we will be screwed hard.
    Are you seriously saying Trump stands for facts?

    Is this a meme?

    Why is this site full of right wing losers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I have a friend thats a big Trump supporter and another who is a hardcore anti-trump ANTIFA member.
    I dont really see much of a difference between the two of them. I very strongly disagree with both sides.
    I also have to show the point you inadvertently made here though. Antifa is the extremist fringe people on the American left, like the straight up anarchists and shit. Meanwhile, "big Trump supporters" are basically just normal Republicans. You're equating one side's political extremists to the other side's run-of-the-mill supporters. I don't think that's quite what you were trying to illustrate though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Have you ever questioned your die hard dedication to a political party in a country you do not even live in? Consider that you are not unique in your belief. That theres a truckload of others who are also just as dedicated to American politics and pushing the rhetoric you push. Why?

    Think about it. How hard you fight for the democratic party. Sure you can call the republican party evil but how much better is the democratic party and how did you get so caught up in this fight your so willing to push against anything that could even be considered republican?
    Let's start here, you immediately assume that every person that votes for their party is a "die-hard" fanboy. Wrong on so many levels. Because you see people like Ganelon (not even American) on these forums, doesn't mean that every person that votes for Trump will be a die-hard fanboy. In modern USA, neither Trump or Biden are trying to convince the far-right or far-left to vote for them, they are both aiming for centrist/undecided voters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I also heavily advocate that america functions as a plutocracy in some form of an oligarchy pretty much always as a Corporatocracy. I do believe my position that convoluting the ideas of socialism with subsidized capitalism are original. Maybe I am wrong but if I am I get to suffer the consequences of my being wrong which is much different from sitting on the outside declaring whats right or wrong for my country.

    What I do not understand is why the republican and democratic sides both push how the other side is wrong but the idea of both sides being wrong is viewed as so untennable.

    Why is it so radical to say both sides are wrong? Why is everyone so hell bent on accepting some 'lesser of two evils?'
    Your shitty nihilistic take on politics is so cringe, it's like you were just born yesterday and have no idea how politics work. BOTH sides will push on how the other side is wrong, because we are in a TWO-PARTY SYSTEM. It's their jobs to shit smear each other in hopes of swaying undecided voters to vote, and in hopes of non-voter idiots like you to show up to a poll booth and vote.

    Both sides are going to be wrong, because again we are in a two-party system. Red or blue, there is no orange, no purple, no teal. Take global warming for example. Are you for or against global warming? I shouldn't even have to go in-depth about global warming because it's clear that Trump rolled back every Obama-era regulation in terms of slowing down global warming. There is no "maybe", it's just a clear yes or no. You're not smarter by not voting, you're just a clear-cut idiot.

    Your ideas aren't original. Just seems like you're a Bernie-bro that's in denial and doesn't want to vote for anyone else. Funny thing is that even Bernie wants Biden to win because he realizes how shitty and corrupt Trump is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO1o66Ti2bA


    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I have a friend thats a big Trump supporter and another who is a hardcore anti-trump ANTIFA member.
    I dont really see much of a difference between the two of them. I very strongly disagree with both sides.
    I hate the rhetoric of hatred they both cast over society and I wish news organizations were held accountable for the destruction they cause.

    This election I am not voting. Both party's disgust me on many levels and I hate how their 'lesser of two evils' rhetoric is tearing my country apart. But it even sucks more with each side setting up some story before the election about how if they loose the election was rigged. I was looking forward to this election ending so it would fucking end but right now it looks like whichever side looses there will be some stupid "They cheated lets drag this shit out forever" nonsense. I personally just want this nightmare to be over and could give a fuck less who wins at this point.

    It really sucks how every other nation in the world feels like they should have some voice on the subject as well. What is the cost for peace of mind?
    You realize that antifa is short for anti-fascism, correct? Are you FOR fascism, or are you AGAINST fascism? Very simple take. Again, you can't disagree with both sides because it's a clear-cut FOR or AGAINST answer.

    The entirety of the Republican party ever since Trump's campaign took off, is to just run smear campaigns against the opposing party. To divide the country, shit-stir and cause race problems so that they can later point the finger at people that fight against systemic racism. Continue systemic racism, cut taxes for themselves, and continue reaping the farm of unfortunate individuals.

    You're really not smart and you really don't have any higher ground by saying "I'm not gonna vote haha I'm smart", because you're literally falling into what Republicans want you to do LOL. It was quite clear on the debate who actually cared about the well-being of America when Biden actually looked at the camera and Trump only cared about interrupting his valid arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I also have to show the point you inadvertently made here though. Antifa is the extremist fringe people on the American left, like the straight up anarchists and shit.
    Anti-fascism isn't extremist, and isn't radical. It's funny how everything that Trump disagrees with is immediately labeled as radical and extremist. Trump trying to weaponize the word "radical" on the debate floor was quite funny.

    Helz, if you were truly centrist, you would be stating good policies on both sides, instead of being the embodiment of pure nihilism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Let's start here, you immediately assume that every person that votes for their party is a "die-hard" fanboy. Wrong on so many levels. Because you see people like Ganelon (not even American) on these forums, doesn't mean that every person that votes for Trump will be a die-hard fanboy. In modern USA, neither Trump or Biden are trying to convince the far-right or far-left to vote for them, they are both aiming for centrist/undecided voters.



    Your shitty nihilistic take on politics is so cringe, it's like you were just born yesterday and have no idea how politics work. BOTH sides will push on how the other side is wrong, because we are in a TWO-PARTY SYSTEM. It's their jobs to shit smear each other in hopes of swaying undecided voters to vote, and in hopes of non-voter idiots like you to show up to a poll booth and vote.

    Both sides are going to be wrong, because again we are in a two-party system. Red or blue, there is no orange, no purple, no teal. Take global warming for example. Are you for or against global warming? I shouldn't even have to go in-depth about global warming because it's clear that Trump rolled back every Obama-era regulation in terms of slowing down global warming. There is no "maybe", it's just a clear yes or no. You're not smarter by not voting, you're just a clear-cut idiot.

    Your ideas aren't original. Just seems like you're a Bernie-bro that's in denial and doesn't want to vote for anyone else. Funny thing is that even Bernie wants Biden to win because he realizes how shitty and corrupt Trump is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO1o66Ti2bA




    You realize that antifa is short for anti-fascism, correct? Are you FOR fascism, or are you AGAINST fascism? Very simple take. Again, you can't disagree with both sides because it's a clear-cut FOR or AGAINST answer.

    The entirety of the Republican party ever since Trump's campaign took off, is to just run smear campaigns against the opposing party. To divide the country, shit-stir and cause race problems so that they can later point the finger at people that fight against systemic racism. Continue systemic racism, cut taxes for themselves, and continue reaping the farm of unfortunate individuals.

    You're really not smart and you really don't have any higher ground by saying "I'm not gonna vote haha I'm smart", because you're literally falling into what Republicans want you to do LOL. It was quite clear on the debate who actually cared about the well-being of America when Biden actually looked at the camera and Trump only cared about interrupting his valid arguments.



    Anti-fascism isn't extremist, and isn't radical. It's funny how everything that Trump disagrees with is immediately labeled as radical and extremist. Trump trying to weaponize the word "radical" on the debate floor was quite funny.

    Helz, if you were truly centrist, you would be stating good policies on both sides, instead of being the embodiment of pure nihilism.
    This is a little disingenuous. The philosophy of Antifa is to prevent the rise of fascism, by any means necessary. They support the use of threats, arm-twisting and even physical violence in service of this goal. They define fascists performatively, meaning they will sometimes target people who deny being fascists. This means they reject the notion of a state monopoly on violence, even if that state is legitimate, which has been in place in all societies for a long ass time. That's pretty bloody radical.

    That said, they are a decentralised movement and different subgroups have varying approaches. Meaning some subgroups are more level headed, and some are more thick headed.

    P;edit I found this to be a really informative video, even if you disagree with the guy's ideology. (He's a Marxist who endorses Antifa) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgwS_FMZ3nQ
    Last edited by yzb25; October 1st, 2020 at 04:16 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    This is a little disingenuous. The philosophy of Antifa is to prevent the rise of fascism, by any means necessary. They support the use of threats, arm-twisting and even physical violence in service of this goal. They define fascists performatively, meaning they will sometimes target people who deny being fascists. This means they reject the notion of a state monopoly on violence, even if that state is legitimate, which has been in place in all societies for a long ass time. That's pretty bloody radical.

    That said, they are a decentralised movement and different subgroups have varying approaches. Meaning some subgroups are more level headed, and some are more thick headed.

    P;edit I found this to be a really informative video, even if you disagree with the guy's ideology. (He's a Marxist who endorses Antifa) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgwS_FMZ3nQ
    Sorry, disingenuous isn't the right word. That implies I think you're scheming something lol. I just meant your attitude is a bit like calling people who oppose the pro-life movement anti-life.

    I'll stop spamming now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Let's start here, you immediately assume that every person that votes for their party is a "die-hard" fanboy. Wrong on so many levels. Because you see people like Ganelon (not even American) on these forums, doesn't mean that every person that votes for Trump will be a die-hard fanboy. In modern USA, neither Trump or Biden are trying to convince the far-right or far-left to vote for them, they are both aiming for centrist/undecided voters.
    I would say that your purported representation of my view is extremely out of context and I disagree that marketing targets the moderates these days. The new goal is to develop an infrastructure pushing the objectives of their associated political party. Sure the 'moderate' vote swings the election but it is now generally understood how building a culture swings the moderate opinion in the long term.

    I was attacking the idea that you have to choose between the lesser of two evils. You underscore this concept demanding a choice by virtue of the bipartisan system while I advocate against the concept of having to choose between two 'lesser evils.'
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Your shitty nihilistic take on politics is so cringe, it's like you were just born yesterday and have no idea how politics work. BOTH sides will push on how the other side is wrong, because we are in a TWO-PARTY SYSTEM. It's their jobs to shit smear each other in hopes of swaying undecided voters to vote, and in hopes of non-voter idiots like you to show up to a poll booth and vote.

    Both sides are going to be wrong, because again we are in a two-party system. Red or blue, there is no orange, no purple, no teal. Take global warming for example. Are you for or against global warming? I shouldn't even have to go in-depth about global warming because it's clear that Trump rolled back every Obama-era regulation in terms of slowing down global warming. There is no "maybe", it's just a clear yes or no. You're not smarter by not voting, you're just a clear-cut idiot.
    I disagree with you labeling me into whatever anti or pro Trump whatever. I think you should read a few books on nihilism before trying to use the word. Or maybe at least a dictionary that mentions the word?
    This view is in the most basic terms a "false dichotomy." Its forcing the options between 2 options when there is many more. You can be in support of proposed environmental measures, opposed to environmental measures or in favor of pushing a different set of environmental measures. I would push option 3 referencing how measures to protect the environment such as pushing solar energy barely function on a financial level even with government subsidization. Are we a two option decision making society with me being wrong for arguing for a 3rd option? No. Your just forcing the conversation in that direction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Your ideas aren't original. Just seems like you're a Bernie-bro that's in denial and doesn't want to vote for anyone else. Funny thing is that even Bernie wants Biden to win because he realizes how shitty and corrupt Trump is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO1o66Ti2bA
    I do not understand why you felt that youtube video had any relevence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    You realize that antifa is short for anti-fascism, correct? Are you FOR fascism, or are you AGAINST fascism? Very simple take. Again, you can't disagree with both sides because it's a clear-cut FOR or AGAINST answer.
    This is actually a point I had a lot of fun with over the last year. I had a conversation with a group of ANTIFA members and when I asked what the definition of fascism was they could not give me a simple answer. They gave me some rambling nonsense about all things immoral to include sexism, racism, and oligarchy. But there was never any answer to what their understanding of fascism was.
    I am against fascism but I laugh saying as much considering how little that means to people that actually understand English. The old word for fascism is the new word for communism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    The entirety of the Republican party ever since Trump's campaign took off, is to just run smear campaigns against the opposing party. To divide the country, shit-stir and cause race problems so that they can later point the finger at people that fight against systemic racism. Continue systemic racism, cut taxes for themselves, and continue reaping the farm of unfortunate individuals.
    How is the democratic party any different? As I said in the beginning its silly how each side points to the other as if it excuses their position. Anyone who stands on either side pointing at the other is not morally justified by screaming about morality. They are just as sick and wrong as those they push are evil if not more so. If they are capable of accepting and understanding their own thought processes while also pushing that view point they are a different kind of evil in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    You're really not smart and you really don't have any higher ground by saying "I'm not gonna vote haha I'm smart", because you're literally falling into what Republicans want you to do LOL. It was quite clear on the debate who actually cared about the well-being of America when Biden actually looked at the camera and Trump only cared about interrupting his valid arguments.
    I agree with you there. If I was a stronger man I would take the time to understand my local politics and but instead I loose myself in 20 projects at once which is a cowards excuse for me not handling whats in front of me.
    Im not sure if your qualified to say if I am smart or not but I really do think the higher ground is fighting for a 3rd path. Feel free to push your political views but please be considerate of those who have an opposing view. Even if you disagree with their position the foundation of freedom is built upon the idea that you can express your ideas without discrimination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash View Post
    Anti-fascism isn't extremist, and isn't radical. And that was very rude..
    I agree. But I also think theres a lot of 'radical' 'extremists' who use the term 'Anti-Fascism' without any understanding of what it means in order to promote violence and hostility. I personally think anyone who wants to point a green lazer at a cops eyes with the intent to blind them should be shot in the head. Would you agree or would you consider an attempt to blind someone ok?

    All that said- What would you consider the definition of a 'radical' or an 'extremist'? Where do you draw the line for a society and what measures should individuals be allowed to protect themselves?
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    It really sucks how every other nation in the world feels like they should have some voice on the subject as well. What is the cost for peace of mind?
    I can't imagine what it's like having to put up with everyone else shit-talk your country constantly these days but, depending on where we live and who we are, this election is going to impact our lives more than two elections in our own countries combined. Me and my dad were up all night after Qassam Soleimani was assassinated drinking coffee, watching news and shitting ourselves. We thought my stepmum could get caught in Syria.2 when Iran started firing missiles on American bases. The whole family's been arguing about Trump's reelection chances since. That doesn't even get into how Trump could impact the UK post-brexit. As the old saying goes, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. Go easy on us T_T
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    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I can't imagine what it's like having to put up with everyone else shit-talk your country constantly these days but, depending on where we live and who we are, this election is going to impact our lives more than two elections in our own countries combined. Me and my dad were up all night after Qassam Soleimani was assassinated drinking coffee, watching news and shitting ourselves. We thought my stepmum could get caught in Syria.2 when Iran started firing missiles on American bases. The whole family's been arguing about Trump's reelection chances since. That doesn't even get into how Trump could impact the UK post-brexit. As the old saying goes, when America sneezes the world catches a cold. Go easy on us T_T
    I hear you. Whats sad is small countries around the world are impacted much more by US elections that US citizens are. Its just exhausting to hear so many people outside of America to judge whats going on in America from social media.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    My point is that once the election ends either side will claim their loss was not fair. I have never seen ground work laid for that argument in the way it has been for this election. Blame it on either side but it just spells hell for Americans regardless of which way the election goes.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    My point is that once the election ends either side will claim their loss was not fair.
    Except one side has said they will accept the results of the election, and the other has signalled they won't.

    You realize that your centrist conviction is also a form of "taking a side" as you like to say. Being steadfast in the opinion that both sides dumb and supporting one particular side is bad is as much of a misguided and toxic attitude as any democrat/republican's conviction in their candidate. I don't know why you take hold your so-called centrism in such condescendingly high regard when it's not unique or even particularly enlightening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Except one side has said they will accept the results of the election, and the other has signalled they won't.

    You realize that your centrist conviction is also a form of "taking a side" as you like to say. Being steadfast in the opinion that both sides dumb and supporting one particular side is bad is as much of a misguided and toxic attitude as any democrat/republican's conviction in their candidate. I don't know why you take hold your so-called centrism in such condescendingly high regard when it's not unique or even particularly enlightening.
    Well for 1 I have to live here and deal with the actual results of this election. This equates to a personal sacrifice for my belief system in which I endure consequences for my actions (and inaction)

    I also heavily advocate that america functions as a plutocracy in some form of an oligarchy pretty much always as a Corporatocracy. I do believe my position that convoluting the ideas of socialism with subsidized capitalism are original. Maybe I am wrong but if I am I get to suffer the consequences of my being wrong which is much different from sitting on the outside declaring whats right or wrong for my country.

    What I do not understand is why the republican and democratic sides both push how the other side is wrong but the idea of both sides being wrong is viewed as so untennable.

    Why is it so radical to say both sides are wrong? Why is everyone so hell bent on accepting some 'lesser of two evils?'
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Well for 1 I have to live here and deal with the actual results of this election. This equates to a personal sacrifice for my belief system in which I endure consequences for my actions (and inaction)

    I also heavily advocate that america functions as a plutocracy in some form of an oligarchy pretty much always as a Corporatocracy. I do believe my position that convoluting the ideas of socialism with subsidized capitalism are original. Maybe I am wrong but if I am I get to suffer the consequences of my being wrong which is much different from sitting on the outside declaring whats right or wrong for my country.

    What I do not understand is why the republican and democratic sides both push how the other side is wrong but the idea of both sides being wrong is viewed as so untennable.

    Why is it so radical to say both sides are wrong? Why is everyone so hell bent on accepting some 'lesser of two evils?'
    I am skeptical to this radical centrism because it seems incredibly disingenuous to me. In this thread there are two sides: Trump saying that he may not accept the results of the election, and Biden saying that he will. And yet you continue to insist that, even in this context, both sides bad and centrism is the best. It's bizarre to me and reeks of the idea that you're performing mental gymnastics to maintain the illusion to yourself that you're perfectly in the middle and above all this bickering BS.

    Also Trump's victory very strongly influences my home country. I don't have a die hard dedication to the Democrats, I just think that the precedent set by Trump's presidency and the damage it does to the institution of democracy and truthfulness worldwide is damaging. Not to mention material damages to other countries. Just look at COVID; Trump talked shit about masks and spread misinformation so he could swing his balls around. As a result, the pandemic did massive damage in the states. Even if you insist I shouldn't care about a bunch of Americans dying, my home country's proximity to the US means that Americans fucking up the pandemic influences us as well. The first cases in my country came not from Europe or China, but from America. It's absurd to think that the politics of the largest democracy in the world, both economically and population-wise, shouldn't affect or even be the concern of people in other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I am skeptical to this radical centrism because it seems incredibly disingenuous to me. In this thread there are two sides: Trump saying that he may not accept the results of the election, and Biden saying that he will. And yet you continue to insist that, even in this context, both sides bad and centrism is the best. It's bizarre to me and reeks of the idea that you're performing mental gymnastics to maintain the illusion to yourself that you're perfectly in the middle and above all this bickering BS.

    Also Trump's victory very strongly influences my home country. I don't have a die hard dedication to the Democrats, I just think that the precedent set by Trump's presidency and the damage it does to the institution of democracy and truthfulness worldwide is damaging. Not to mention material damages to other countries. Just look at COVID; Trump talked shit about masks and spread misinformation so he could swing his balls around. As a result, the pandemic did massive damage in the states. Even if you insist I shouldn't care about a bunch of Americans dying, my home country's proximity to the US means that Americans fucking up the pandemic influences us as well. The first cases in my country came not from Europe or China, but from America. It's absurd to think that the politics of the largest democracy in the world, both economically and population-wise, shouldn't affect or even be the concern of people in other countries.
    Sure, Maybe I am wrong. If trump gets re-elected and there is 0 blow back feel free to say 'I told you so' for the following year. What I am seeing in America is a lot of crazy shit from both sides on the mail system. Take my words for whatever but I think whichever side looses will be a very sore looser in this election.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I also heavily advocate that america functions as a plutocracy in some form of an oligarchy pretty much always as a Corporatocracy. I do believe my position that convoluting the ideas of socialism with subsidized capitalism are original. Maybe I am wrong but if I am I get to suffer the consequences of my being wrong which is much different from sitting on the outside declaring whats right or wrong for my country.
    Maybe you should consider the fact that USA has a lot of influence in the world.
    Wanna know why people don’t give a shit who wins the election in Denmark vs the USA? Because the USA has a huge army and line of influence that has caused a lot of change in the world.
    The invasion of Iraq toppled an entire country, so much for not meddling with other countries affairs eh?
    Bay of Pigs saw CIA trained troops openly attempting an coup.
    But of course Anerican exceptionalism seems to make you balk at the thought that other countries and people outside of the US care about what kind of country the USA is, and what it will become.
    Trump has been a shock to the world and seen the rise of look-alikes such as Borin Johnson in the UK.
    This isn’t an domestic issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Except one side has said they will accept the results of the election, and the other has signalled they won't.

    You realize that your centrist conviction is also a form of "taking a side" as you like to say. Being steadfast in the opinion that both sides dumb and supporting one particular side is bad is as much of a misguided and toxic attitude as any democrat/republican's conviction in their candidate. I don't know why you take hold your so-called centrism in such condescendingly high regard when it's not unique or even particularly enlightening.
    Have you ever questioned your die hard dedication to a political party in a country you do not even live in? Consider that you are not unique in your belief. That theres a truckload of others who are also just as dedicated to American politics and pushing the rhetoric you push. Why?

    Think about it. How hard you fight for the democratic party. Sure you can call the republican party evil but how much better is the democratic party and how did you get so caught up in this fight your so willing to push against anything that could even be considered republican?

    This is the power of the toxic rhetoric produced by political groups.
    Intellectual growth comes from discussions, not arguments. If you are unwilling to change your position and hear the other persons side you are closed minded and wasting your time.
    If you can not clearly explain what the other sides reasoning is you can not disagree with their position because you do not understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Except one side has said they will accept the results of the election, and the other has signalled they won't.

    You realize that your centrist conviction is also a form of "taking a side" as you like to say. Being steadfast in the opinion that both sides dumb and supporting one particular side is bad is as much of a misguided and toxic attitude as any democrat/republican's conviction in their candidate. I don't know why you take hold your so-called centrism in such condescendingly high regard when it's not unique or even particularly enlightening.
    Enlightened Centrism is the path forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebringer View Post
    Enlightened Centrism is the path forward.
    And who's at the center of the State? The King. Long live Frederick the Great!

    What is "enlightened centrism" though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    And who's at the center of the State? The King. Long live Frederick the Great!

    What is "enlightened centrism" though?
    The idea that both sides can make good and bad points, and to understand those points and principles/values and to take those ideas and to craft a position which reflects more nuance
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    If we’re talking about the Republican Party as a whole, I think the party is quite horrible as well (although probably not as corrupt as the democrats are... yet). Trump himself, while not ideal, is, in my opinion, as a president, the best man for the job if you compare him with every president since ~1984-1990.

    He says lots of dumb things sometimes, and doesn’t always act the way he should, and IMO he trolls a bit too much, more than the President of the most powerful country in the world should. He’s also a bit narcissistic (which in some sense is good; the dude has been attacked and defamed every day since 2016 just for being, I think a normal person would’ve just collapsed, lol). But, if you look at what he does, he:
    a) Sealed a peace deal in the Middle East
    b) Cut taxes, just like he said he would
    c) Put pressure on China
    d) Did not start an additional stupid war
    I’d say those things are pretty damn good. One thing I like about him is paradoxically his loud mouth. He’s not afraid to call out the media and politicians for what they really are or are doing, which almost everyone else who is a politician seems to be reluctant on doing. Nobody has any balls anymore. That’s also why I love the fact that he banned CRT training in the government.

    If I had to choose between a non-Trump Republican and a Democrat... fuck, I do not know what I’d do. Tough choice. Pick your poison. Probably would still be voting Republican since the so-called third parties are actually even worse than the two main ones (which is impressive).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    If we’re talking about the Republican Party as a whole, I think the party is quite horrible as well (although probably not as corrupt as the democrats are... yet). Trump himself, while not ideal, is, in my opinion, as a president, the best man for the job if you compare him with every president since ~1984-1990.

    He says lots of dumb things sometimes, and doesn’t always act the way he should, and IMO he trolls a bit too much, more than the President of the most powerful country in the world should. He’s also a bit narcissistic (which in some sense is good; the dude has been attacked and defamed every day since 2016 just for being, I think a normal person would’ve just collapsed, lol). But, if you look at what he does, he:
    a) Sealed a peace deal in the Middle East
    b) Cut taxes, just like he said he would
    c) Put pressure on China
    d) Did not start an additional stupid war
    I’d say those things are pretty damn good. One thing I like about him is paradoxically his loud mouth. He’s not afraid to call out the media and politicians for what they really are or are doing, which almost everyone else who is a politician seems to be reluctant on doing. Nobody has any balls anymore. That’s also why I love the fact that he banned CRT training in the government.

    If I had to choose between a non-Trump Republican and a Democrat... fuck, I do not know what I’d do. Tough choice. Pick your poison. Probably would still be voting Republican since the so-called third parties are actually even worse than the two main ones (which is impressive).
    a) Cutting taxes for his rich friends during an economic upswing isn't isn't an accomplishment.
    b) He never released his tax returns, just like he said he would.
    c) He embraces support from white nationalists.
    d) He incited violence at his rallies and at protests.
    e) His goons used tear gas on American citizens so that Trump could get a photo op with the Bible.
    f) He expresses his support for conspiracy theorist QAnon.

    Domestically, this guy's a shit show and a threat to the democratic psyche of the American people.

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    FWIW, I also do not understand the hatred oops has for Republicans. While I strongly dislike the Democratic Party, I don’t hate people who vote Democrat and I don’t hate people who are not conservative or who are socialists. I only hate radical leftism, which is currently pushing absurd ideologies centered around the issue of ethnic/sexual/gender/religious/etc identity. It’s quite ironic that they’re the ones doing it...

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    Like, let's be clear here. Both of these guys are dumbass idiots. They both had a handful of good moments during that debate but it was mostly garbage. They literally stopped mid-debate and started arguing about who interrupted the other person more.

    If you don't vote, and you are upset at the result of the election or you are mad at a policy being passed in the next 4 years, you are at fault. You have a chance to make your voice heard right now instead of just being tilted on online forums, and you're choosing not to take it. That's irresponsible.

    I will not be voting red in this election because I don't trust this country going into an economic recession from a man who has declared bankruptcy six times. I'm undecided on whether or not I want to vote for Emperor Joe Palpatine or third party. But I have a chance to make my voice count and I'm going to take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Like, let's be clear here. Both of these guys are dumbass idiots. They both had a handful of good moments during that debate but it was mostly garbage. They literally stopped mid-debate and started arguing about who interrupted the other person more.

    If you don't vote, and you are upset at the result of the election or you are mad at a policy being passed in the next 4 years, you are at fault. You have a chance to make your voice heard right now instead of just being tilted on online forums, and you're choosing not to take it. That's irresponsible.

    I will not be voting red in this election because I don't trust this country going into an economic recession from a man who has declared bankruptcy six times. I'm undecided on whether or not I want to vote for Emperor Joe Palpatine or third party. But I have a chance to make my voice count and I'm going to take it.
    stealth can vote now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Like, let's be clear here. Both of these guys are dumbass idiots. They both had a handful of good moments during that debate but it was mostly garbage. They literally stopped mid-debate and started arguing about who interrupted the other person more.

    If you don't vote, and you are upset at the result of the election or you are mad at a policy being passed in the next 4 years, you are at fault. You have a chance to make your voice heard right now instead of just being tilted on online forums, and you're choosing not to take it. That's irresponsible.

    I will not be voting red in this election because I don't trust this country going into an economic recession from a man who has declared bankruptcy six times. I'm undecided on whether or not I want to vote for Emperor Joe Palpatine or third party. But I have a chance to make my voice count and I'm going to take it.
    TRUMP 2020!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    TRUMP 2020!!!

    MADE THAT TEXT RED SO U ALL CAN GET MAD. ALSO MAKING THIS TEXT WHITE AND BLUE TO SHOW MY PATRIOTISM AND NATIONALISM SO PPL GET EVEN MORE MAD!!!

    key words are: GETTING PEOPLE MAD

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    both sides suck, its just that one 'side' sucks less.
    in that case, its just the president who sucks less.
    i have no idea whats gonna happen to america when trump leaves office, because you have to realize trump was the best candidate (still is).
    the two parties are absolutely horrendous, and the so-called 'third-parties' are even worse (which is an achievement).
    you have the libertarian party which is a club of completely naive/downright malevolent/power-hungry idiots, with a minority of normal people who are just pro-small government.
    the libertarian party is mostly ancap. they literally want to disestablish the state.
    if i have to choose between them and the democrats, i honestly don't know who i'd choose.
    idk what the libertarians would do if elected to power, but if they did exactly what they stated they would, i think a catastrophe bigger than all the communist purges would occur.
    i mean, capitalism is significantly more efficient than communism. many more would die.
    thats not to speak of the absurd corruption that their government system (if you can call it that) would allow.

    they want to make taxes OPTIONAL.
    how much more smoofer-brained can you get? imagine just buying out the police force LMFAO

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    i think taking the average trump supporter to indicate what a candidate is like is imo pretty weird. the average person is stupid.
    and, imo just like oops said, you're comparing the average trump supporter to the average antifa supporter. one is part of a minority group on the far left, the other is a relatively normal person.
    it just so happens that the average normal person is dumb, HOWEVER, you're missing the fact that 'most' people (and yes I know trump 'lost' the popular vote) voted for Trump in 2016. i dont like appeals to majority but honestly, if trump were as bad as people said, 48% of the population wouldn't have voted for him.

    i mean when you have people voting for a 'pedophile' and whatever else he got called, you gotta realize some of the bullshit people said about him (most of it, in fact) was either wrong or exaggerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    i think taking the average trump supporter to indicate what a candidate is like is imo pretty weird. the average person is stupid.
    and, imo just like oops said, you're comparing the average trump supporter to the average antifa supporter. one is part of a minority group on the far left, the other is a relatively normal person.
    it just so happens that the average normal person is dumb, HOWEVER, you're missing the fact that 'most' people (and yes I know trump 'lost' the popular vote) voted for Trump in 2016. i dont like appeals to majority but honestly, if trump were as bad as people said, 48% of the population wouldn't have voted for him.

    i mean when you have people voting for a 'pedophile' and whatever else he got called, you gotta realize some of the bullshit people said about him (most of it, in fact) was either wrong or exaggerated.
    Your logic here is very bad. First of all, 48% of the population didn't vote for Trump. 45% of voters voted for Trump. Roughly 43% of eligible voters did not even vote. An estimated 232 million Americans were eligible to vote in 2016, and just under 63 million voted for Trump. So roughly 27% of the population. Just over a quarter.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ote-this-year/

    Secondly, you are completely ignoring the nature of politics, and the fact that many votes FOR Trump were actually votes AGAINST Clinton, and vice versa. You can't just say "oh look, he got 45% of the vote and therefore things said about him must be bullshit cause otherwise people wouldn't vote for him". What on earth is that. I know plenty of conservatives that did not like Trump and voted for him solely because they were scared that Hilary was "of the devil and will destroy America"
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    Boris Johnson isn't Trump though
    I respect Boris Johnson but the Conservative Party (including Johnson) is kind of... left wing, especially when you compare it to the republican party.
    I think Nigel Farage is a much better comparison, because whilst they are not the same (and I think Nigel Farage is superior to Trump, at least as a person), they are at least fairly similar. Except, idk if Nigel Farage has the strength to go through 4-8 years of people constantly slandering in the most absurd ways possible. I know Trump does.

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    yes, and an extra 3% not voting for him means he must be horrible. i forgot thats how percentages work.
    keeping the percentages the same, 55% of those who voted voted for clinton. i dont really see the difference, if 50% of people voted, the number is still relatively significant.

    me too! i am also one of those conservatives, i too would've seen my vote for trump as more of a vote against clinton because trump was... 1) painted by the media, 2) a media whore who didn't seem like he knew what he was doing, 3) just another TV star who wanted and loved publicity.

    that being said, trump's impressed me rather favorably. he's done well as president (IMO), and in any event better than I thought he would (even though he continues to say stupid things on a semi-regular basis).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    yes, and an extra 3% not voting for him means he must be horrible. i forgot thats how percentages work.
    keeping the percentages the same, 55% of those who voted voted for clinton. i dont really see the difference, if 50% of people voted, the number is still relatively significant.

    me too! i am also one of those conservatives, i too would've seen my vote for trump as more of a vote against clinton because trump was... 1) painted by the media, 2) a media whore who didn't seem like he knew what he was doing, 3) just another TV star who wanted and loved publicity.

    that being said, trump's impressed me rather favorably. he's done well as president (IMO), and in any event better than I thought he would (even though he continues to say stupid things on a semi-regular basis).
    wtf are you even arguing
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

 

 

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