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  1. ISO #801

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Why is MM 100% town in your eyes Zedus?
    I had him in my neut list, but from my point he can be
    1. probably DM's mafia teammate
    2. virus

    After he voted DM, i found that too risky for mafia. DM was about to lynched d1 if town will play more active. So I don't think MM will take that risk and vote on his mafia ally, so he was virus or town in my eyes.
    He dies to virus, so he is not virus. As mafia... I see no possible mafia teammates for him. The probably ones are too townie. Well, if MM flips mafia, I will hardly review my town list, but now I am sure he is town, idk what role, citizen or tpr.

    As I said, I will review d1 with attention (now I am doing this during my breakfast) and try to get more info from Auwt's posts and now MM's posts too to find motive they are killed for. Well, DM is obvious scum anyway, 2 of 4 players voted him are dead and now he is attacking others, so this is main motive, obvious and lies on the surface (do english-speakers have this expression?).

  2. ISO #802

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    You know, Zedus. What you just described about DM can be easily explained. It's called framing someone. Just saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  3. ISO #803

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    You know, Zedus. What you just described about DM can be easily explained. It's called framing someone. Just saying.
    I saying only facts I see. 2 of 4 ppl voted him d1 are killed, and best probably town teamup in my eyes is destroyed now. The real "framing" is that bullshit he pushing on last members of d1 town team up. In mod players calls this "he is full of shit", can I use that term, Mr. Moderator?

    Btw, I shoud say, you got my town points. You can easy start offtopic conflict with me and bring disaster to discussion, but you didn't. Even then Bakermir pushing you hardly for that conflict (that's still the reason i cannot fully trust him). Well, that is not enougth to trust you anyway, but I count you as citizen at this moment.

  4. ISO #804

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    I appreciate knowing I have finally won your heart.

    I like you, so I'll help you... the likelyness of DM being scum and then killing off people who push him is very low. Possible, but low.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  5. ISO #805

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Also, he couldnt have killed both of them, hes either a wolf or the neut. So while both may have disliked him, really, if he was scum, could be responsible for one death.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  6. ISO #806

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Yes, I am hardcore dickriding DM, (almost wrote MM there, would have been a travesty) and I dont care who calls me out on it
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  7. ISO #807

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    the likelyness of DM being scum and then killing off people who push him is very low. Possible, but low.
    Previous game I played (that was instant mafia) mafia claimed "sheriff+citizen" pair almost at the start of the game. I found that chance of that "sheriff+citizen" being mafia is very low, because it's too predictable and cheap strat. But it works and mafia outplayed town, scumhunting poor citizens. So I feel now that DM killing guilty voters on him is realy strong strat, he don't even need to say "Am I idiot to kill the ones voted me and make myself suspicious?" That's the key of his defence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Also, he couldnt have killed both of them, hes either a wolf or the neut. So while both may have disliked him, really, if he was scum, could be responsible for one death.
    Yes. DM is lucky with 2 of his enemies killed. One of them killed by him, another one by another scum(s). In my eyes DM can be virus (he waited for MM death, and started act just after that, motive #1 in my list), and can be mafia (kill Auwt as probably positive town team up leader, maybe with using this mafia "ignore healing" ability, because for me Auwt was good target to heal, same as Renegade, motive #4 in my list). Based on what DM will flip there can be 2 possible results for me:
    1. Hunt for his mafia team, probably agreed with him and followed his "agruments".
    2. Virus is gone, everyone happy, even mafia.

  8. ISO #808

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Like I said, it's possible but the chances are very low. This is also not instant mafia which is a very totally different setup in many drastic ways. I see your point, but it's highly unlikely. I'd like you to go back and look at someone else. Maybe you'll see what I see.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  9. ISO #809

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Also, I'm going to remove my vote from Bakermir, because I think the probability of him being scum if slightly low. I'm going to write him off as dumb with a dumb play.

    I'll move my vote to renegade, the reason for that is because I think he is the only person to benefit from Awut's death. Also cause blink is on that train. Choochoo, citizen mesk using her brain power. Look at me go

    -vote Renegade
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  10. ISO #810

  11. ISO #811

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    @MartinGG99 , join the train
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  12. ISO #812

  13. ISO #813

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I re-reading day 1 now, mostly focused on Auwr and MM posts, but also I am busy with my job, so I doing this slower then it possible, sorry.
    Look at how renegade defends martin, and now is voting him.

    Sigh, I dont really feel like pulling the quote that made me feel the super scum vibe, but maybe I will. Give me a sec
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  14. ISO #814

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Fuck that, too lazy to pull quotes from iso. However, Awut poked about the interaction you (Zedus) had with Renegade.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  15. ISO #815

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I will be honest, I don't like people who are constantly opposing TPR hunting.
    It looks like a nice sentence to befriend with everyone.
    For now, your plays seems to be different from the previous games Zedus,
    I will keep an eye on it.

    This is in to like 2 pages. Auwt is already calling out Zedus artificial here. Zedus was disgusted at DM here for supposedly "TPR" hunting.



    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Damn are we in this famous another dimension I previously talked about?

    Auwt again quoting Zedus here about Zedus townlocking Renegade early into the game.

  16. ISO #816

  17. ISO #817

  18. ISO #818

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Look at how renegade defends martin, and now is voting him.
    Well, I am ready to vote Martin, but for now DM is have like "I AM SCUM" tatoo on his face, and Martin just suspicious.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    Fuck that, too lazy to pull quotes from iso. However, Awut poked about the interaction you (Zedus) had with Renegade.
    Well, you should know we are kinda personal enemies with Renegade both at forum and in mod. I like to troll him and calling dumb, he hates me too much. It's not related for this game. Almost everyone here know that, i think. That's why I feel weird putting Renegade to my trust list and some deep darkness from me whispering: "Vote him! You want to see him removed from the game! Vote him!". I must not listen for that whisper, but I am ready to listen for some strong arguments. And hope for them being much more stronger then my arguments on DM from d1 and d1.

    The thing I realy seen now: we almost had town team up - Mike, Renegade, Auwt, me (maybe MM if others will count him as town, also MM and Auwt called Bakermir townlike, that make me think about this too much). This team up is destroyed now. Auwt, which I want to be town leader, is dead. Renegade, still trusted by me, voted by ppl from my "weak scum list". Well, I am ready to remove you from that list, as I said, but others still there. Bakermir, trusted by 2 dead ppl, wanted Frinckles be killed by hunter n1, but now he attacking Martin, same as Renegade and voting you (that's realy weird) and pushing you into offtopic vs me (that's weird too). DM, most obvious scum in game, voting me with forged dump motive. 2 ppl followed him, both from my "yellow list": Varcron and Gyrlander, who replaced afk player, both doing this with weak explanation, close to "why not". Are they both are his mafia team? Well, if i realy will be lynched, this will be mafia mass suicide, lol. Well, one of them maybe mafia, also DM can be virus.

    So you are voting Renegade now, focused by "weak scum list". Not DM, who is scummy and full of shit. Not Martin or Bakermir, who fighting each other from d1. And you say "i am too lazy to explain".
    I ask you, please, don't be lazy, give this quotes, reasoning you to vote him, and let Renegade answer for that.

  19. ISO #819

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    @bakermir , as for you, I should remind you that you
    1. Ignored my direct question for you.
    2. Pushing Mesk to offtopic shit vs me.
    3. Protected DM as hell, then 4 ppl voted him. 2 of them dead now.

    Yes, you turned me to trust you somehow. I was ready for Frinckles death d2 and you revealing as hunter, who shoot him. But you still fall deep to fight Martin. And only 2 reasons I am not voting you:
    1. Auwt called you townlike. Also dead MM did the same. Btw if I am wrong about him and he flips mafia, you are mafia aswell. But I am 99,9% sure he is town.
    2. It's weird, but 2nd reason it's feeling. Kinda empathy for the one, who looks like me in my first game here, probably bonobovoted. That's why I unvoted d1.

    You did the good thing, force me to break the cycle. But this reason list before is pointing on you as probably scum.

    The problem is that you are in conflict in Martin, who looks scummier and scummier for me with some late posts, except he is answered my direct question and I am ok with this answer, but you ignored that. So you both looks like scummy conflict to mee. According to your logic that I "read" townies as scums and scums as townies, you are in TvT conflict with Martin now. The problem is that I not "read", "reading" sucks. I making decisions only based on game mechanics, votes, logic and chances. My townread on scumteam in instant mafia was based on low chance of using risky easy strat they used, that's all. And as for game 1, I was absolutely right that town should lynch last voters on me, why are you forgot that? And that was I consider from game mechanincs and possible mafia strat logic, not from this "reading" shit. There is no "reading", there is only guessing, I told that and I will tell this again and again. "Reading" cult is the cult of fake god.

  20. ISO #820

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Zedus, you gotta take those blinders off, man, maybe after today you shouldnt read the thread at all and take a tiny break. That shit is detrimental to town. While I respect your reads, gotta look at the game from another perspective.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  21. ISO #821

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    @bakermir , as for you, I should remind you that you
    1. Ignored my direct question for you.

    2. Pushing Mesk to offtopic shit vs me.
    3. Protected DM as hell, then 4 ppl voted him. 2 of them dead now.

    Yes, you turned me to trust you somehow. I was ready for Frinckles death d2 and you revealing as hunter, who shoot him. But you still fall deep to fight Martin. And only 2 reasons I am not voting you:
    1. Auwt called you townlike. Also dead MM did the same. Btw if I am wrong about him and he flips mafia, you are mafia aswell. But I am 99,9% sure he is town.
    2. It's weird, but 2nd reason it's feeling. Kinda empathy for the one, who looks like me in my first game here, probably bonobovoted. That's why I unvoted d1.

    You did the good thing, force me to break the cycle. But this reason list before is pointing on you as probably scum.

    The problem is that you are in conflict in Martin, who looks scummier and scummier for me with some late posts, except he is answered my direct question and I am ok with this answer, but you ignored that. So you both looks like scummy conflict to mee. According to your logic that I "read" townies as scums and scums as townies, you are in TvT conflict with Martin now. The problem is that I not "read", "reading" sucks. I making decisions only based on game mechanics, votes, logic and chances. My townread on scumteam in instant mafia was based on low chance of using risky easy strat they used, that's all. And as for game 1, I was absolutely right that town should lynch last voters on me, why are you forgot that? And that was I consider from game mechanincs and possible mafia strat logic, not from this "reading" shit. There is no "reading", there is only guessing, I told that and I will tell this again and again. "Reading" cult is the cult of fake god.

    1. Can you remind me again what was this questions? I believe I have missed it or probably found it as a threat. I am willing to reconsider it just please remind me what it was and I will do my best to answer.
    2. Mesk is still a big suspect in my list. They reek scum all around and I find their citizen claim heavily contradicting to their wolf style. But then I am kinda doing it the same in one way so maybe I am just tunneling on wrong person here. You are accusing me with pushing Mesk into offtopic? I don't need Mesk's crappy vote or support in making a case against you. I have suspected you were quite weird with Ren and Martin in the beginning, also I have found your early voice on DM's actions to be very similar to Ash from our first game. This is what I find scum.
    3. I am quite shocked actually that you are the FIRST person to voice this. Yes, I did protect DM yesterday from a possible mislynch. Maybe you are proving me I did the right thing with that.



    YEp, I bonobovoted because I honestly felt like you were bonobovoting DM. I pulled it back once you have shown a town reflex then and reconsidered your action/reads on him. That specific reflex is the only thing that is still making me believe you are town.

    Well I also admit, I haven't been lately reading you because my focus was on the other potential scum team. I might spend more time reading you today at some point, try to understand your connection with Renegade and maybe Martin. Or maybe they provide something about this subject. OR even you.

  22. ISO #822

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Also I just realized it Auwt and not Awut. But from now on I'm calling him A-wut. Like, A wut in the tarnation are you twits doing. I like it.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnassRhamur View Post
    Please don't post in the punished players section if you're not involved. Consider this a warning from Thugnificent. You got one Thug ticket. Collect 3 more of those and i'll have to issue a Thug Infraction. Collect 3 Thug Infractions and you get 1 Thug Misdemeanor Charge.

    Spoiler : :
    Citizen, Agent, Citizen, Vigilante, Citizen, Godfather, Citizen, Citizen, Voter, Elder, Mafioso, BackUpSleuth, Escort, Mafioso, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Tailor, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, Citizen, TheJoker, Citizen, LadyGaga, Mafioso, Winston Wolfe, Detective, Citizen, Citizen, Masquerader

  23. ISO #823

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Bakermir, it was in this post. My first post of d2. Take a look, if you missed.
    I will answer for other staff later, need to afk for some time, job.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Hello.

    Well, Auwt's death hurts me, he was trusted for me, also he is good player. And we lost not only good player, we lost doctor.

    I see there is Martin vs Barkermir now. I will explain later why in my eyes Barkermir got some town points and Martin lost some. But now I will not focus on this conflict, because I try to look at this from another side.

    If you want to find a murderer, you need to know his motive, as Sherlock Holmes said. Most likely that was:

    1. He scumread murderer and killed for that. Simple and predictable? Yes. But I have seen how often town can forget everything happens previous day, so doing this "obvious" kill is not as risky as it seems.

    2. Someone "read" his as doctor and killed him for that.

    Well, you know, I am not the fan of "reading" cult, I am pretty sure reading doesn't work at all, and all of you just pretending they can read, and then they are lucky with guessing some scum, they count that lucky case as proof of succesful "reading", ignoring over9000 failed "reading" attempts. This called Survivorship bias. But I have to put this motive into the pool.

    3. Anti-#2. He townread the murderer and killed, so murderer can say "he said I am town, sure it's not me, look at his scumlist". This logic works.

    4. Mafia just attacking town leader/most trusted person.

    This is more risky, because this player most likely will be healed. For example, if I am doctor, surely I will heal someone from my townlist: Renegade, Auwt or Mike. Every doctor will do the same. And Auwt did the same, look at his lw. So attacking someone, who is "green" for many ppl have high chance of fail. That's why I almost excluded this motive from my list, but before do that, I read setup settings again:



    So mafia can kill someone with 100% chance, ignoring healing, and motive #4 is not exluded.

    5. Mafia just randoming someone, lol.
    More likely not.

    6. The answer is within one or Auwt's post.

    I will read every Auwt's post from d1, trying to find why can he was attacked and killed. This will cost me the time, and it's night here in Moscow, so I will do that tomorrow morning with fresh mind. My lw stays the same, if I die to virus before I will post that, you will know other staff from me and some my conclusions. Also If I realy die to virus, plz, do this thing: read Auwt's posts with attention, you will find something he was killed for.

    Now some questions, before I go to sleep:


    Is that "I am sheriff, I checked MM and he is virus" or "I guessing MM is virus, no explanation"?


    I understood this like "I am hunter and I will shoot Frinkles this night". Maybe it's my non-english speaker's mistake, am I wrong? Or you mean "If I were hunter I would shoot Frinkles"? An another question: well, if you were ready to kill Frinkles, why you attacking Marting now?

    Also, question for Martin: what do you think about Frinckles? He is not so passive now, is he townlike or scumlike? Can you explain your opinion?


    Yes, I trying, but I found virushunting is hard. My theory is that virus is in my "yellow" d1 list: Frinckles, Marshmallow Marshall, Martin, Mesk514 or 2 afk players, already replaced now. Now I can exclude Martin, I think he is mafia or town, I will think about that tomorrow and i have some pro and contra on him. But well, honestly, I don't know how to find virus. If I was virus, I would play as some silent player with low level of participation, but other player can think another way, and all my conclusions is probably total bullshit.

    Also, you should know,
    I accept Barkermir's vote on me and I see no scummy in this, that was the right thing he do to make me look around. There is some another reasons to think he is scum, but that vote indicate noting, I am sure.

    Hope I don't missed something. Going to sleep now, I will be VERY active from tomorrow morning, I dare. I feel I will find the key in Auwt's posts.

  24. ISO #824

  25. ISO #825

  26. ISO #826

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Notice how he says “Wolf” instead of “Scum”
    Yep, pretty sure Mike is Virus.
    Roflol, I meant to say wolf be odd of the context. I was useing it talking to blink.

    MM was town reading me. So please explain why I would kill him. You have to understand one thing about MM he keeps pushing his scum reads he does not give up on that.

    And I find it insulting you think I am that active and pull invest roles on me day1 as a virus. I am so awful I claim MM is not virus KNoWInNg MM is going to die. Yup if I am virus I am a newb.

    You forget the virus knows MM will die. So why would I post that? Why bring attention to myself? Why kill someone that was town reading me at the end.

    Dude evaluate, what I find odd is I am trying to figure out who is wolf and virus and I am still trying to narrow it down yet you have it lock only on me.

    So you are

    1 virus I doubt because you would not bring this attention on your self
    2 wolf looking for a mislynch and why not get the one person most town read lynched. Probable
    3 town that so paranoid that his read are just wrong.

    If you are 3 then evaluate and stop take omg my posts out of context.
    Do Not open this spoiler under any condition!!!!!!!
    Spoiler : :
    WHY CANT YOU FOLLOW SIMPLE DIRECTIONS?
    YOU HAVE JUST CAUSED THE END OF ALL MANKIND!!!!!!

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  27. ISO #827

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I was reviewing the day so far, and I came across this really weird interaction (or series of posts):

    Spoiler : quotes :













    Now it may not look weird at first, but I would like for you to read the following quote below THEN re-read the above spoiler. Does anybody see what I'm getting at?

    Spoiler : This makes it weird :





    So what I'm seeing is:

    1. Dark Magician immediately suggests that MM must've scum read the virus. But MM never really scum read Mike (the possible virus as of the last few posts in this thread), and even let go of the accusation by Town reading Mike.

    2. Varcron says (or implies) he'll look into it. But it appears he never does because...

    3. Dark Magician is forgotten on Varcron's reads list but is later added as Town.

    I have no clear clue as to what to make of this. For #1, I want to instinctively suspect a possible Virus Dark Magican, but then #2 and #3 makes me wonder why Varcron never looked into it and suspect Dark Magician.

    It doesn't make sense to me. Its all weird.

    Someone evaluateong. Yet DM thinks I would kill someone town reading me roflol.
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  28. ISO #828

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Well, I am ready to vote Martin, but for now DM is have like "I AM SCUM" tatoo on his face, and Martin just suspicious.



    Well, you should know we are kinda personal enemies with Renegade both at forum and in mod. I like to troll him and calling dumb, he hates me too much. It's not related for this game. Almost everyone here know that, i think. That's why I feel weird putting Renegade to my trust list and some deep darkness from me whispering: "Vote him! You want to see him removed from the game! Vote him!". I must not listen for that whisper, but I am ready to listen for some strong arguments. And hope for them being much more stronger then my arguments on DM from d1 and d1.

    The thing I realy seen now: we almost had town team up - Mike, Renegade, Auwt, me (maybe MM if others will count him as town, also MM and Auwt called Bakermir townlike, that make me think about this too much). This team up is destroyed now. Auwt, which I want to be town leader, is dead. Renegade, still trusted by me, voted by ppl from my "weak scum list". Well, I am ready to remove you from that list, as I said, but others still there. Bakermir, trusted by 2 dead ppl, wanted Frinckles be killed by hunter n1, but now he attacking Martin, same as Renegade and voting you (that's realy weird) and pushing you into offtopic vs me (that's weird too). DM, most obvious scum in game, voting me with forged dump motive. 2 ppl followed him, both from my "yellow list": Varcron and Gyrlander, who replaced afk player, both doing this with weak explanation, close to "why not". Are they both are his mafia team? Well, if i realy will be lynched, this will be mafia mass suicide, lol. Well, one of them maybe mafia, also DM can be virus.

    So you are voting Renegade now, focused by "weak scum list". Not DM, who is scummy and full of shit. Not Martin or Bakermir, who fighting each other from d1. And you say "i am too lazy to explain".
    I ask you, please, don't be lazy, give this quotes, reasoning you to vote him, and let Renegade answer for that.
    After re-reading this post I can see it is coming from town mindset but some phrases scream scum to me, especially the logic being put behind them.



    I don't know why would anyone say this. It feels very artificial. But, I am not sure, maybe it is Zedus mansplaining himself to Mesk again. Yet, Zedus has Ren on TR for a long time and has been consistent with this.



    But then, he defends Renegade further. Also on first part this could be seen as a soft admit on using "weak scum list" to fencesitting with certain people


    Here he points out I have been trusted by 2 dead people, he took notice on how fuckin "townie" I can get more than anyone in this game yet doesn't question how terrible of a spot it puts me in from my PoV.
    Believe me Zedus, Auwt and MM were one of the last people I would have wanted dead be it from town PoV and scum PoV.


    He is certainly a Renegade fanboy.



    This can only be solved by finding the answer to the following;

    1. Who would Zedus vote on lylo between Ren and Mike/Martin. two scenarios

    2. Why is there this awkward connection between Zedus and Renegade the whole game?

    3. How would a Zedus/Renegade+1 scum team would behave?


    Renegade seemed to point some weird stuff about Zedus at the start of Day 2. I find it legit. But then, It doesn't sit right with me on how Zedus is sucking up on Ren this much and Ren is quite distancing from it. When I look at all of their interactions, I can still feel some awkwardness and I wasn't the only one to feel this. DM and Auwt felt it too on D1. If there is a world where Zedus/Ren are scum team, I guess this game would be it. I want to be proven wrong.

  29. ISO #829

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post


    I understood this like "I am hunter and I will shoot Frinkles this night". Maybe it's my non-english speaker's mistake, am I wrong? Or you mean "If I were hunter I would shoot Frinkles"? An another question: well, if you were ready to kill Frinkles, why you attacking Marting now?

    I will not answer your first question. You can figure it out tonight by killing me or lynching me today.


    As for Frinckles, I still think he is a good target for vigi simply because he played jester D1 and now a different game on D2. I believed Martin sounded like an executioner with fake lead on me.

    That's a lot of WIFOM if you look at it from sc2mod perspective Zedus.

    I didn't start the day attacking Martin. I had a different mindset and mentality prepared for D2, I wanted to remove myself from high heat zone to low heat zone to bait scum on me tonight and push on possible virus candidate to bait virus spree at my place hoping to get Omega wolf killed. But I have been already exposed earlier so I believe I either had a consig on me last night or scum team just wants to make me mislynch someone so they can lynch me tomorrow for real.

    I was only defending myself from Martin there. I admit I might have sounded more aggressive than him but that's because I didn't even read his post and I was just triggered at the tunnel I was being put in and it was a town reflex from me. That especially pissed me off coming from someone who claimed on D1 they would have a lot to say regarding a possible wolf play during D2. He still haven't done it but I am not really interested in tunneling on Martin entire game. There are 4 scums alive.

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  31. ISO #831

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Well, I need to say, I don't want to mix personal shit about Renegade and real ingame info about him, but it's hard to me. You know the history of this conflict, Bakermir, and some other ppl know too. You know that Superjack silenced me and him in observing chat of previous game then we both were dead just to stop our river of hate? I will try to explain, and yes, I realy getting angry on someones who want to use my personal attitude to Renegade against me or him. Now I will explain my point:

    D1 I got strong reason to think Renegade is town, or maybe, less likely virus. I attacked him not like a player, but like some personal foe. He getting angry with that and he said something "If it's ok for moderators to insult me here this way I will just leave". Can mafia do this? Probably not, I think. Renegade is "goofy", but he is not a dick, who will just destroy the game for another 2 players by ragequit. Well, maybe this can sounds like if I am his mafia teammate, so he was ready to ragequit and destroy the game personaly for me. I accept, that this makes me and Renegade like 2 mafia members in someone's eyes, and I have nothing to counter that. But even if you think I am mafia with Ren, think about another mafia member. Can Renegade be that kind of dick, who will destroy game for him just because he want destroy the game for me? No, he is not. But if he is citizen, for example, ragequit seems easier: "I am useless role anyway, fuck it, will not play with this asshole Zedus, bb". If he is virus... Well, best way is infect me then, lol He is not virus I think.

    Also, I re-read d1. Mesk said true that Renegade protected Martin from me. But I take that personal. Like "this hated Zedus again attacked Martin as previous time, and I am, the Knight Renegade in the Shiny White Armor, will protect Marting from him!" I think now he have something vs Martin to vote, he found the strength to keep away our personal bullshit like I trying too and focused on game.

    So I have to say, yes, I don't like Renegade as person, it's true, and it's true that it's hard to me to separate personal shit from the game. I afraid that if I strat pushing Renegade, this will be only because I want see him lynched like my out of game foe, not like real scum. That's why my possibility on afraiding misslynch Renegade is higher, then on others. As for Marting, yes, I had conflict with him in previous game, but we are not out of game foes with him for sure, i just trolled him a bit at start and I already apologized for that, and that was my mistake to do that.

    Now my answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    1. Who would Zedus vote on lylo between Ren and Mike/Martin. two scenarios
    If I have choice of only 3 players to vote, I prefer to vote Martin, but not Ren or Mike. The problem is that you are still scummy for me, same as Martin, so it's higly possible that this will be misslynch.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    2. Why is there this awkward connection between Zedus and Renegade the whole game?
    I already explained. Also, you have seen our conflict before at forum, aren't you? Are you still pretending to not understanding we are out of game foes with Renegade?

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    3. How would a Zedus/Renegade+1 scum team would behave?
    Well, you, I think. An we lynching Martin with our scum team like we planned this night, do you forgot that?
    Your princess is in another castle, Bakermir. Surely, if you are realy trying to find scum, but not distract us and force me to bring my out of game shit about Renegade into this topic.

    Also, I steel se no answer for my question. Will you say again you missed that?

  32. ISO #832

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I had him in my neut list, but from my point he can be
    1. probably DM's mafia teammate
    2. virus

    After he voted DM, i found that too risky for mafia. DM was about to lynched d1 if town will play more active. So I don't think MM will take that risk and vote on his mafia ally, so he was virus or town in my eyes.
    He dies to virus, so he is not virus. As mafia... I see no possible mafia teammates for him. The probably ones are too townie. Well, if MM flips mafia, I will hardly review my town list, but now I am sure he is town, idk what role, citizen or tpr.

    As I said, I will review d1 with attention (now I am doing this during my breakfast) and try to get more info from Auwt's posts and now MM's posts too to find motive they are killed for. Well, DM is obvious scum anyway, 2 of 4 players voted him are dead and now he is attacking others, so this is main motive, obvious and lies on the surface (do english-speakers have this expression?).
    Are you saying MM can only be mafia if they are mafia with me?
    Lol ok.
    Are you also saying MM could have poisoned themselves?
    Sure Buddy!

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  34. ISO #834

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I saying only facts I see. 2 of 4 ppl voted him d1 are killed, and best probably town teamup in my eyes is destroyed now. The real "framing" is that bullshit he pushing on last members of d1 town team up. In mod players calls this "he is full of shit", can I use that term, Mr. Moderator?

    Btw, I shoud say, you got my town points. You can easy start offtopic conflict with me and bring disaster to discussion, but you didn't. Even then Bakermir pushing you hardly for that conflict (that's still the reason i cannot fully trust him). Well, that is not enougth to trust you anyway, but I count you as citizen at this moment.
    I mean in all honestly, I thought it was “Plurality” and I was lynched.
    Turns out I wasn’t. Allowing me to be able to contribute more and give my personal thoughts towards stuff.

  35. ISO #835

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    If your talking about me I’m not sure where you got that idea.
    Your both in my SR’s.
    Oh, sorry, that was Varcron's list, not yours. Suddenly, he forgot to include you into his list, so I think it's yours. But who needs to include his mafia buddies into readlist, realy?

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  39. ISO #839

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Oh, reposting this I noticed Frinckles said "MM is virus" and also my question too about that. Now we know MM is not virus.
    Now afk, sorry. I will answer to you, Bakermir, later.
    Yet for some reason you didn’t think that last time I checked.
    Shows how much you’ve been paying attention.

  40. ISO #840

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Roflol, I meant to say wolf be odd of the context. I was useing it talking to blink.

    MM was town reading me. So please explain why I would kill him. You have to understand one thing about MM he keeps pushing his scum reads he does not give up on that.

    And I find it insulting you think I am that active and pull invest roles on me day1 as a virus. I am so awful I claim MM is not virus KNoWInNg MM is going to die. Yup if I am virus I am a newb.

    You forget the virus knows MM will die. So why would I post that? Why bring attention to myself? Why kill someone that was town reading me at the end.

    Dude evaluate, what I find odd is I am trying to figure out who is wolf and virus and I am still trying to narrow it down yet you have it lock only on me.

    So you are

    1 virus I doubt because you would not bring this attention on your self
    2 wolf looking for a mislynch and why not get the one person most town read lynched. Probable
    3 town that so paranoid that his read are just wrong.

    If you are 3 then evaluate and stop take omg my posts out of context.
    So you also disagree with my Martin/Zedus Read I suppose?

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  42. ISO #842

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    After re-reading this post I can see it is coming from town mindset but some phrases scream scum to me, especially the logic being put behind them.



    I don't know why would anyone say this. It feels very artificial. But, I am not sure, maybe it is Zedus mansplaining himself to Mesk again. Yet, Zedus has Ren on TR for a long time and has been consistent with this.



    But then, he defends Renegade further. Also on first part this could be seen as a soft admit on using "weak scum list" to fencesitting with certain people


    Here he points out I have been trusted by 2 dead people, he took notice on how fuckin "townie" I can get more than anyone in this game yet doesn't question how terrible of a spot it puts me in from my PoV.
    Believe me Zedus, Auwt and MM were one of the last people I would have wanted dead be it from town PoV and scum PoV.


    He is certainly a Renegade fanboy.



    This can only be solved by finding the answer to the following;

    1. Who would Zedus vote on lylo between Ren and Mike/Martin. two scenarios

    2. Why is there this awkward connection between Zedus and Renegade the whole game?

    3. How would a Zedus/Renegade+1 scum team would behave?


    Renegade seemed to point some weird stuff about Zedus at the start of Day 2. I find it legit. But then, It doesn't sit right with me on how Zedus is sucking up on Ren this much and Ren is quite distancing from it. When I look at all of their interactions, I can still feel some awkwardness and I wasn't the only one to feel this. DM and Auwt felt it too on D1. If there is a world where Zedus/Ren are scum team, I guess this game would be it. I want to be proven wrong.
    I think it’s more likely Zedus is just trying to pocket Renegade.

  43. ISO #843

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    Yet for some reason you didn’t think that last time I checked.
    Shows how much you’ve been paying attention.
    I not playing attention to you personally. Who cares what scum says? I prefer to ignore you, you are just annoying and distracting element with no valuable impact to the game, pushing some nonsence with no explanation. So I see no reason to talk with you. You killed our potential town leader and you will pay for that.

  44. ISO #844

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Oh, sorry, that was Varcron's list, not yours. Suddenly, he forgot to include you into his list, so I think it's yours. But who needs to include his mafia buddies into readlist, realy?
    So you read Me/Varcron as Wolf Aligned?
    Why both of us exactly?

    I’ve also already brought that up and asked where he’d put me and his answer felt genuine enough.

  45. ISO #845

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I not playing attention to you personally. Who cares what scum says? I prefer to ignore you, you are just annoying and distracting element with no valuable impact to the game, pushing some nonsence with no explanation. So I see no reason to talk with you. You killed our potential town leader and you will pay for that.
    Lol what
    This isn't where i parked my car.....

  46. ISO #846

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    I not playing attention to you personally. Who cares what scum says? I prefer to ignore you, you are just annoying and distracting element with no valuable impact to the game, pushing some nonsence with no explanation. So I see no reason to talk with you. You killed our potential town leader and you will pay for that.
    Well I’m Town and If your actually town here you should consider stopping this weird ass tunnel on me with the “ignore player” “PL” excuse.
    The reason to talk to me is to many get information as if you actually believe I’m scum you would want to get as much information from me as possible preflip.

    So why do you view Auwt as a “Town Leader”? (I know you seem to like that word allot)

  47. ISO #847

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magician View Post
    I actually think Martin is more likely then Renegade here.
    That's what I was believing too and I think we are looking at the same thing. In order to protect from 50% scum mislynch, we have been given a double town mislynch by two wolves putting votes on 2 different people. Essentially, Martin proposes this strat subtly.

    Now if this is the case then I want to understand if Martin/Frinckles are both scum or not. I am sure one of them is 100% and I am not alone in this thought. But maybe I am being pocketed here by Renegade entire D2.

    Seeing that virus might have not voted and third scum was waiting for hammer, I believe the outcome was not desirable for scum team. This is of course assuming both you and me are town. I can only suspect you for being the third scum here but then it doesn't add up to your gameplay in general assuming you are a veteran. I am still unsure in all of that about you, maybe you should have been lynched yesterday for the greater good. This also gives town points to Auwt MM in my eyes and Zedus/Ren to some extent simply because both you me and Auwt suspected something is off in the Ren - Zedus - Martin trio.


    Help me understand all of this better DM

  48. ISO #848

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Also everyone needs to remember wolves already have 2 checks down. By start of day tomorrow they will have 4 total checks. Which is a boatload of information on the current playerbase. If perchance they got lucky and didn't waste a check on MM thats even better for them. By Day 3 they can very likely have a dam good chance of eliminating all of our PRs from the game. I implore all the town PRS to leave too LWS of what they did because that could be key to winning the game come LYLO
    This isn't where i parked my car.....

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  50. ISO #850

    Re: S-FM Spirits II (Ongoing)

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Also everyone needs to remember wolves already have 2 checks down. By start of day tomorrow they will have 4 total checks. Which is a boatload of information on the current playerbase. If perchance they got lucky and didn't waste a check on MM thats even better for them. By Day 3 they can very likely have a dam good chance of eliminating all of our PRs from the game. I implore all the town PRS to leave too LWS of what they did because that could be key to winning the game come LYLO
    ok consig

 

 

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