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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Explain to me why I shouldn’t change it to eliminate
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
What are the negative repercussions of that change?
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Read stealths post. He was asking me if, hypothetically if someone asked me not to use it, what reason there would be for me not to comply
yes, right now nobody is - but in the event of someone asking me to use lynch and me refusing, I could very easily see someone calling me racist.
Alienating long standing users.
A bizarre situation where the term lynch was frowned upon but allowed. If we start seeing lynch as racist, we’ll start seeing reports from people who felt offended by the use of the term (in an FM game), and then people getting infracted for no reason other than the fact that they used lynch.
Is this a police state? For the record it’s not your code either. And if you change the word like this without consulting be community there WILL be backlash. You don’t go around deciding for other people what’s best for them - as staff you are held to a higher standard, and aren’t a dictator.
how the fuck do you not know where i'm coming from. i gave you a real life example where changing the word helped with inclusivity.
if they left over the word change, then good riddance, they need thicker skin, and i don't want to play with them. sounds familiar??
you're right! if anything we should make a logo featuring a mutiliated body! /sarcasm
the noose goes literally hand in hand with the lynch argument. to me they hold the same moral weight, so it's not surprising that they're changing it.
come back to us when they change it and i'll have a fresh set of arguments for it. for the time being it's just a hypothetical and i imagine going to be harder to get changed. their post sounded like they didn't want to do active moderation, something that i can absolutely relate to.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
That’s precisely why I deleted my posts on this thread. While I do think freedom of speech is important, I realize that as staff my words have a significant impact and I’d rather not use them for evil.
yes Voss, you’ll get some people on the train and alienating MANY. I’m not convinced you’ll love the people you’ll be taking onboard, however.
Where do you get your MANY statistic from.
Tbh the bot on here was changed like 12+ hours ago and nobody left
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
Imagine getting so worked up about 1 word changing that you basically threaten to leave the site and take "many" others with you
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
"Hey voss, please stop using the word lynch"
"Why?"
"Because it has racist conotations."
"Ah, we talked about this as a community a while back. It was really civil. Our end result was that we'd change the modbot word, but as a community allow people to keep using the word. If you want me to change it, let's have a community wide talk and get everyone on board, because it's been a while since we've visited this topic"
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or you could respond with
"REEEE FUCK YOU CIVIL RIGHTS FREEDOM OF SPEECH"
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
The issue is that the people who feel strongly about such a change are myself, MM, Exeter, and presumably such people as Distorted, Ceko, blinkskater - and that’s just on our tiny website. Who are the people in favour if changing lynch? I have no idea who they are - but if they’re anything like the people who wanted to ban AIDS - which they probably are - they aren’t the sort of people you’d want on their website.
also, you’re describing a hypothetical situation where someone would be displeased with an invented problem that exists entirely in the mental plane (conflation of the word lynch with racism), whereas the other problem is much more significant and exists in the real world. I’ve just outlined to you what would happen if the word lynch were changed.
It also depends on how you phrase it to blink, ceko, and distorted:
"sc2mafia leftist anarchist black pleasing overlords are banning the word lynch! wanna get in one good last game on the site before degenerates destroy our pure sc2mafia culture?"
or
"The Godfather now says "eliminate" rather than lynch."
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
The most ironic part of this
If Gan2S never posts this topic, the Godfather bot on sc2mafia is likely never changed
And he's threatening to quit the site over something he called attention to
Hmm
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Which also brings up another question. How often do you read the script that modbot says? I bet that most people wouldn't be able to recite exactly what it says verbatim. Do you know why? Because they don't read it. They care about who was voted out and by whom.
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I will once again bring up the non hypothetical situation where I was able to be a bit more inclusive, and got a LOT of coworkers to continue to keep playing the game even though I used the word lynch once. There are a lot of fun people in that group and we're able to really attack each other in a friendly context.
So frankly this fearmongering over people being worked up over AIDs is just wrong, and them being distasteful people is "mental gymnastics" for me.
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
Again, you keep trying to put it to it just being a word. It’s jot just a word, and you know it, because otherwise there wouldn’t be this talk if changing it in the first place. The problem is the underlying social attitude, not using one word or another
don't post the real answer
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
“Because otherwise there wouldn’t be this talk of changing it”
Isn’t it a little contradictory to suggest the change is to infringe on your free speech when you previously suggested it was just virtue signaling? Pick one
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?
and ganelon, if it's not just about a word, why don't you start a new thread about what you fear might happen, but not cite this "lynch" example.
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I've been playing mafia for 7+ years
I feel no special connection or nostalgia to the word. Change happens all the time, its part of life, maybe you're just not used to that part?
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
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FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
FM XXI: USA (Escort)
FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)
I'm confused, was the bot on this site for FM changed to say "eliminate"?
As far as I can see the attitude of it changing at sc2mafia is this:
A user rants about the change happening on other sites
Another user says he changed it in his game to be more inclusive
Some users here say "wow, thats a good point, we can be more inclusive by making that change here too"
That sound about right? I didnt see a social justice movement happen here, did you? This wouldn't have even been a topic had you not brought it up
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
nevermind I guess you didn't say that. :P
(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶
Possibly the Rasta emote and [black guy with chicken wings] too.
(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ 레드벨벳 ! ! ٩(♡ε♡ )۶
Right, and on sc2mafia I think we’re atill sane enough not to consider something like this. But it’s wirrying. I was not even aware this had happened anywhere.